Sacramento Kings 2018-19 Season Watch Thread

[A Future of Stevens]

We need the kings to keep losing because I’m starting to doubt that Grizzlies pick will convey, its top 8 protected and they’re looking real bad.

Grizzlies pick is right where we want it, rolling over would be fantastic in my opinion but if we do get it this year we need it to be top ten we have so many picks another teens pick does little to move the needle.

If that Griz pick rolls over I think all of a sudden it becomes more than a throw in to an AD deal but becomes a pretty big asset, maybe one that allows us to substitute Tatum with a Brown and Williams, especially if the Kings pick could get into the 10 area. Depends if the Pelicans have interest in a 5 year full rebuild or if they want a quick reshuffle and try to make the playoffs in 2-3.

I’d rather trade Tatum than Brown plus Williams.

I feel like Williams becomes pretty expendable if we got Davis. This means its trading Jaylen or Tatum from our perspective. So even though I consider myself the leader of the Jaylen brown fan club, I would still rather move Jaylen if we got to keep Tatum.

I would not be so glib.  Williams has great upside especially on the defensive end.  Especially as Horford gets older. And it's not like we will have a shortage of scoring, with Kyrie and Davis getting 45-50/Per Game, you still have Horford, Hayward, Brown and bench filler to supplement.  I'm not as high on Tatum's upside as others here. I frankly still think the jury is out as to who will be a better overall player in the NBA long term, Tatum or Brown. Brown's biggest drawback is his poor free throw shooting. I could see Danny wanting to hold onto Williams, the way he insisted on keeping Rondo during the KG trade with Minn.

I wasn't trying to be glib. I also am pretty high on Williams, but I view him as a Center. I also view Davis as a center. I feel like we are wasting a valuable asset in Williams if we try to force him out of his position, or only give him Davis' leftovers.

A similar argument can be made about Tatum and Brown. While theoretically Brown fits between a kyrie/ad/hayward trio better than Tatum, most around the league believe Tatum is the superior product. He has more value than Brown, and thats just how it is.

If we do end up trading for AD, I would love to keep one of Tatum or Brown. Both would fit a different but integral role on our hypothetical contender.

[adam8]

We need the kings to keep losing because I’m starting to doubt that Grizzlies pick will convey, its top 8 protected and they’re looking real bad.

Grizzlies pick is right where we want it, rolling over would be fantastic in my opinion but if we do get it this year we need it to be top ten we have so many picks another teens pick does little to move the needle.

If that Griz pick rolls over I think all of a sudden it becomes more than a throw in to an AD deal but becomes a pretty big asset, maybe one that allows us to substitute Tatum with a Brown and Williams, especially if the Kings pick could get into the 10 area. Depends if the Pelicans have interest in a 5 year full rebuild or if they want a quick reshuffle and try to make the playoffs in 2-3.

I’d rather trade Tatum than Brown plus Williams.

I feel like Williams becomes pretty expendable if we got Davis. This means its trading Jaylen or Tatum from our perspective. So even though I consider myself the leader of the Jaylen brown fan club, I would still rather move Jaylen if we got to keep Tatum.

I would not be so glib.  Williams has great upside especially on the defensive end.  Especially as Horford gets older. And it's not like we will have a shortage of scoring, with Kyrie and Davis getting 45-50/Per Game, you still have Horford, Hayward, Brown and bench filler to supplement.  I'm not as high on Tatum's upside as others here. I frankly still think the jury is out as to who will be a better overall player in the NBA long term, Tatum or Brown. Brown's biggest drawback is his poor free throw shooting. I could see Danny wanting to hold onto Williams, the way he insisted on keeping Rondo during the KG trade with Minn.

I wasn't trying to be glib. I also am pretty high on Williams, but I view him as a Center. I also view Davis as a center. I feel like we are wasting a valuable asset in Williams if we try to force him out of his position, or only give him Davis' leftovers.

A similar argument can be made about Tatum and Brown. While theoretically Brown fits between a kyrie/ad/hayward trio better than Tatum, most around the league believe Tatum is the superior product. He has more value than Brown, and thats just how it is.

If we do end up trading for AD, I would love to keep one of Tatum or Brown. Both would fit a different but integral role on our hypothetical contender.

I agree with you here hard to play both together and fully utilize AD, with Williams on the floor AD would be forced to be more of a floor spacer because you can't run the pick and roll with AD the other big man defender is in the paint.

 I definitely don't see Williams as just a throw in to an AD package, I think he is a solid asset and could definitely become a force on both ends of the floor if he learns the game. With that said I try to do everything I can to keep Tatum in a trade for AD.

And as much as I love Brown, i haven't seen enough of an improvement in the last 16 months to believe he will be anything other than a great athletic 3+D guy, no knock on that every team needs that guy and he is better than most but Tatum has top 10 potential and when you can get three top 10 guys on your team you do it.

[Silky]

We need the kings to keep losing because I’m starting to doubt that Grizzlies pick will convey, its top 8 protected and they’re looking real bad.

Grizzlies pick is right where we want it, rolling over would be fantastic in my opinion but if we do get it this year we need it to be top ten we have so many picks another teens pick does little to move the needle.

If that Griz pick rolls over I think all of a sudden it becomes more than a throw in to an AD deal but becomes a pretty big asset, maybe one that allows us to substitute Tatum with a Brown and Williams, especially if the Kings pick could get into the 10 area. Depends if the Pelicans have interest in a 5 year full rebuild or if they want a quick reshuffle and try to make the playoffs in 2-3.

I’d rather trade Tatum than Brown plus Williams.

I feel like Williams becomes pretty expendable if we got Davis. This means its trading Jaylen or Tatum from our perspective. So even though I consider myself the leader of the Jaylen brown fan club, I would still rather move Jaylen if we got to keep Tatum.

I would not be so glib.  Williams has great upside especially on the defensive end.  Especially as Horford gets older. And it's not like we will have a shortage of scoring, with Kyrie and Davis getting 45-50/Per Game, you still have Horford, Hayward, Brown and bench filler to supplement.  I'm not as high on Tatum's upside as others here. I frankly still think the jury is out as to who will be a better overall player in the NBA long term, Tatum or Brown. Brown's biggest drawback is his poor free throw shooting. I could see Danny wanting to hold onto Williams, the way he insisted on keeping Rondo during the KG trade with Minn.

I wasn't trying to be glib. I also am pretty high on Williams, but I view him as a Center. I also view Davis as a center. I feel like we are wasting a valuable asset in Williams if we try to force him out of his position, or only give him Davis' leftovers.

A similar argument can be made about Tatum and Brown. While theoretically Brown fits between a kyrie/ad/hayward trio better than Tatum, most around the league believe Tatum is the superior product. He has more value than Brown, and thats just how it is.

If we do end up trading for AD, I would love to keep one of Tatum or Brown. Both would fit a different but integral role on our hypothetical contender.

I agree with you here hard to play both together and fully utilize AD, with Williams on the floor AD would be forced to be more of a floor spacer because you can't run the pick and roll with AD the other big man defender is in the paint.

 I definitely don't see Williams as just a throw in to an AD package, I think he is a solid asset and could definitely become a force on both ends of the floor if he learns the game. With that said I try to do everything I can to keep Tatum in a trade for AD.

And as much as I love Brown, i haven't seen enough of an improvement in the last 16 months to believe he will be anything other than a great athletic 3+D guy, no knock on that every team needs that guy and he is better than most but Tatum has top 10 potential and when you can get three top 10 guys on your team you do it.

I know I may be in the minority, but Im not sure I see top 10 player potential in Tatum either.

His offense has been inefficient and predictable.

[gouki88]

We need the kings to keep losing because I’m starting to doubt that Grizzlies pick will convey, its top 8 protected and they’re looking real bad.

Grizzlies pick is right where we want it, rolling over would be fantastic in my opinion but if we do get it this year we need it to be top ten we have so many picks another teens pick does little to move the needle.

If that Griz pick rolls over I think all of a sudden it becomes more than a throw in to an AD deal but becomes a pretty big asset, maybe one that allows us to substitute Tatum with a Brown and Williams, especially if the Kings pick could get into the 10 area. Depends if the Pelicans have interest in a 5 year full rebuild or if they want a quick reshuffle and try to make the playoffs in 2-3.

I’d rather trade Tatum than Brown plus Williams.

I feel like Williams becomes pretty expendable if we got Davis. This means its trading Jaylen or Tatum from our perspective. So even though I consider myself the leader of the Jaylen brown fan club, I would still rather move Jaylen if we got to keep Tatum.

I would not be so glib.  Williams has great upside especially on the defensive end.  Especially as Horford gets older. And it's not like we will have a shortage of scoring, with Kyrie and Davis getting 45-50/Per Game, you still have Horford, Hayward, Brown and bench filler to supplement.  I'm not as high on Tatum's upside as others here. I frankly still think the jury is out as to who will be a better overall player in the NBA long term, Tatum or Brown. Brown's biggest drawback is his poor free throw shooting. I could see Danny wanting to hold onto Williams, the way he insisted on keeping Rondo during the KG trade with Minn.

I wasn't trying to be glib. I also am pretty high on Williams, but I view him as a Center. I also view Davis as a center. I feel like we are wasting a valuable asset in Williams if we try to force him out of his position, or only give him Davis' leftovers.

A similar argument can be made about Tatum and Brown. While theoretically Brown fits between a kyrie/ad/hayward trio better than Tatum, most around the league believe Tatum is the superior product. He has more value than Brown, and thats just how it is.

If we do end up trading for AD, I would love to keep one of Tatum or Brown. Both would fit a different but integral role on our hypothetical contender.

I agree with you here hard to play both together and fully utilize AD, with Williams on the floor AD would be forced to be more of a floor spacer because you can't run the pick and roll with AD the other big man defender is in the paint.

 I definitely don't see Williams as just a throw in to an AD package, I think he is a solid asset and could definitely become a force on both ends of the floor if he learns the game. With that said I try to do everything I can to keep Tatum in a trade for AD.

And as much as I love Brown, i haven't seen enough of an improvement in the last 16 months to believe he will be anything other than a great athletic 3+D guy, no knock on that every team needs that guy and he is better than most but Tatum has top 10 potential and when you can get three top 10 guys on your team you do it.

I know I may be in the minority, but Im not sure I see top 10 player potential in Tatum either.

His offense has been inefficient and predictable.

That isn’t quite true though. His offensive efficiency isn’t as stellar as it was least season, but his splits of 45/37/85 are still very respectable for a 20 year old averaging 16+PPG. The potential is still there for sure. Maybe not top 10, but top 15-20 no doubt.

[rondofan1255]

Blake Griffin’s sitting out tonight (rest), SEGABABA

[JBcat]

Halfway though the season the Kings are now slotted for 13 in the lottery.  I looked at the rest of the Kings schedule which is pretty tough.  I’m predicting 13 more wins so they will have 34 on the season.  If some of the teams 6 through 12 that have between 17 and 20 wins stay at least at their current pace we should finish somewhere in the 6 to 10 range.

I would be happy with that, but we need a little luck to start going our way.

[adam8]

We need the kings to keep losing because I’m starting to doubt that Grizzlies pick will convey, its top 8 protected and they’re looking real bad.

Grizzlies pick is right where we want it, rolling over would be fantastic in my opinion but if we do get it this year we need it to be top ten we have so many picks another teens pick does little to move the needle.

If that Griz pick rolls over I think all of a sudden it becomes more than a throw in to an AD deal but becomes a pretty big asset, maybe one that allows us to substitute Tatum with a Brown and Williams, especially if the Kings pick could get into the 10 area. Depends if the Pelicans have interest in a 5 year full rebuild or if they want a quick reshuffle and try to make the playoffs in 2-3.

I’d rather trade Tatum than Brown plus Williams.

I feel like Williams becomes pretty expendable if we got Davis. This means its trading Jaylen or Tatum from our perspective. So even though I consider myself the leader of the Jaylen brown fan club, I would still rather move Jaylen if we got to keep Tatum.

I would not be so glib.  Williams has great upside especially on the defensive end.  Especially as Horford gets older. And it's not like we will have a shortage of scoring, with Kyrie and Davis getting 45-50/Per Game, you still have Horford, Hayward, Brown and bench filler to supplement.  I'm not as high on Tatum's upside as others here. I frankly still think the jury is out as to who will be a better overall player in the NBA long term, Tatum or Brown. Brown's biggest drawback is his poor free throw shooting. I could see Danny wanting to hold onto Williams, the way he insisted on keeping Rondo during the KG trade with Minn.

I wasn't trying to be glib. I also am pretty high on Williams, but I view him as a Center. I also view Davis as a center. I feel like we are wasting a valuable asset in Williams if we try to force him out of his position, or only give him Davis' leftovers.

A similar argument can be made about Tatum and Brown. While theoretically Brown fits between a kyrie/ad/hayward trio better than Tatum, most around the league believe Tatum is the superior product. He has more value than Brown, and thats just how it is.

If we do end up trading for AD, I would love to keep one of Tatum or Brown. Both would fit a different but integral role on our hypothetical contender.

I agree with you here hard to play both together and fully utilize AD, with Williams on the floor AD would be forced to be more of a floor spacer because you can't run the pick and roll with AD the other big man defender is in the paint.

 I definitely don't see Williams as just a throw in to an AD package, I think he is a solid asset and could definitely become a force on both ends of the floor if he learns the game. With that said I try to do everything I can to keep Tatum in a trade for AD.

And as much as I love Brown, i haven't seen enough of an improvement in the last 16 months to believe he will be anything other than a great athletic 3+D guy, no knock on that every team needs that guy and he is better than most but Tatum has top 10 potential and when you can get three top 10 guys on your team you do it.

I know I may be in the minority, but Im not sure I see top 10 player potential in Tatum either.

His offense has been inefficient and predictable.

That isn’t quite true though. His offensive efficiency isn’t as stellar as it was least season, but his splits of 45/37/85 are still very respectable for a 20 year old averaging 16+PPG. The potential is still there for sure. Maybe not top 10, but top 15-20 no doubt.

I think there is a good and a bad that goes along with those numbers, he takes a lot of long tough 2s in ISO, the good here is that he has good shooting splits still even though he takes tougher shots that your average 16ppg scorer, but that is also the bad news he should be able to get better looks being that he isn't the #1 option.

I choose to take that as a positive, he can make tough shots and get his shot off on anyone which is what you need to be a top 10 player, without the talent on our team I think he would be averaging 19-23ppg with similar shooting numbers then you are talking about a future star.

[smokeablount]

Halfway though the season the Kings are now slotted for 13 in the lottery.  I looked at the rest of the Kings schedule which is pretty tough.  I’m predicting 13 more wins so they will have 34 on the season.  If some of the teams 6 through 12 that have between 17 and 20 wins stay at least at their current pace we should finish somewhere in the 6 to 10 range.

I would be happy with that, but we need a little luck to start going our way.

Yeah, as soon as February starts, their schedule is murder.  I could see them ending the year going 8-24, but more likely they'll get 12-15 wins.

[rondofan1255]

SAC (22-21) def. CHA 104-97

currently 13th pick

[CelticsElite]

Frustrating to see kings win.

Hope they can slip to 7-10th area by end of season



Just need more wins from mavs, pistons, magic to help

[rondofan1255]

SAC (23-21) def. POR 115-107. POR was on SEGABABA.

T-13th pick with LAL.

[RodyTur10]

Sacramento is playing quite well. A lot of talent there with Fox, Hield, Bogdanovic, Jackson, Bagley, Giles and Cauley-Stein, while also having a great cap situation. And Joerger is an excellent coach.

We'll just have to see how management will screw things up again  .

[CelticsElite]

Hornets beat the kings


Wizards won too. Maybe they can catch up

We desperately need Minnesota, dallas, new Orleans to win some games

[celticsclay]

Hornets beat the kings


Wizards won too. Maybe they can catch up

We desperately need Minnesota, dallas, new Orleans to win some games

New Orleans is finally healthy and would have beat any team in the league besides golden state last night i think. I expect them to win (and they can't afford to not try to win as much as possible, probably buyers).

[nickagneta]

So, is it fair to say that Sacramento won the DMC trade to New Orleans?