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Title: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: JSD on July 17, 2018, 04:13:12 AM
Woj and Shams:


https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019497989008576513?s=21Edit - Sham latest report
https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1019500317958950912?s=12





Brian Windhorst on The Lowe Post: “I think they’re in the driver’s seat for Kawhi because I think the Lakers have given up.” “The Sixers have given up and with the Nets, Bulls and Hawks spending their cap space, it makes it harder to assemble a multi-team trade. I think the Raptors are in the driver’s seat.”



Kawhi would be making a leap from the 25th largest market to the 6th largest market. If you're the Raptors, what would it take with and without long term commitment?

With commitment: Derozan, Siakam and a 1st
Without Commitment: Derozan straight up.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: greece66 on July 17, 2018, 04:46:32 AM
multiple firsts, Anunoby, van Fleet, Ibaka/Valanciunas.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: Androslav on July 17, 2018, 06:13:21 AM
multiple firsts, Anunoby, van Fleet, Ibaka/Valanciunas.
Nice return.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 17, 2018, 06:34:33 AM
I think Derozan has to be included for San Antonio to even consider it.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: Somebody on July 17, 2018, 07:22:57 AM
I think Derozan has to be included for San Antonio to even consider it.
With how he choked in the playoffs I think Toronto would gladly do so.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 17, 2018, 07:29:30 AM
I think Derozan has to be included for San Antonio to even consider it.
With how he choked in the playoffs I think Toronto would gladly do so.

I look for Rozen to land in LA ,   if Kawhi some how does not get his Lebron dream job

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 17, 2018, 07:31:58 AM
I think Derozan has to be included for San Antonio to even consider it.
With how he choked in the playoffs I think Toronto would gladly do so.

I agree he choked but the way that he was used or not used played a part in his performance. Plus Derozan is better than all these guys mentioned: Anunoby, van Fleet, Ibaka/Valanciunas.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: gouki88 on July 17, 2018, 08:23:56 AM
multiple firsts, Anunoby, van Fleet, Ibaka/Valanciunas.
Can't see SAS being interested in overpaid Ibaka or expiring Jonas V. Has to be DeRozan IMO
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: PAOBoston on July 17, 2018, 08:26:38 AM
I think Derozan has to be included for San Antonio to even consider it.
With how he choked in the playoffs I think Toronto would gladly do so.

I look for Rozen to land in LA ,   if Kawhi some how does not get his Lebron dream job
Nice. Another guy who can't shoot the 3 in LA! Lol.

I actually do like Derozan. He's a bucket getter.

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: saltlover on July 17, 2018, 08:28:58 AM
multiple firsts, Anunoby, van Fleet, Ibaka/Valanciunas.

FVV can’t be traded until January 15th.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: saltlover on July 17, 2018, 08:38:31 AM
multiple firsts, Anunoby, van Fleet, Ibaka/Valanciunas.
Can't see SAS being interested in overpaid Ibaka or expiring Jonas V. Has to be DeRozan IMO

Could be the expiring JV if Toronto has enough low-cost assets San Antonio is interested in EDIT: JV has a player option next year that I would be surprised if he declined given the market for players with his skillset, but I tend to agree with you that DeRozan makes the most sense.  The Raptors would probably have to take a hefty contract back in a trade (Mills or Green) because San Antonio is pretty close to the luxury tax and isn’t likely to desire to go over it as part of moving Kawhi.  Derozan/Anunoby for Kawhi/Green is pretty salary neutral (Toronto has a bet of $400k payroll).
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: slamtheking on July 17, 2018, 08:39:53 AM
Brian Windhorst on The Lowe Post: “I think they’re in the driver’s seat for Kawhi because I think the Lakers have given up.” “The Sixers have given up and with the Nets, Bulls and Hawks spending their cap space, it makes it harder to assemble a multi-team trade. I think the Raptors are in the driver’s seat.”

Kawhi would be making a leap from the 25th largest market to the 6th largest market. If you're the Raptors, what would it take with and without long term commitment?

With commitment: Derozan, Siakam and a 1st
Without Commitment: Derozan straight up.
With commitment would need to include more.  much more.
without commitment, I wouldn't move Derozen.  I'd consider anyone else but without that commitment I'm not leaving the team short it's current best player via trade and the better player who bolted in free agency. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: Moranis on July 17, 2018, 08:40:55 AM
multiple firsts, Anunoby, van Fleet, Ibaka/Valanciunas.

FVV can’t be traded until January 15th.
he isn't necessary anyway.  And it doesn't have to be Serge or Jonas.  Powell, Poeltl, Anunoby, Siakam, and Richardson makes the salaries work.  Add in a couple of protected 1st's if necessary.  That is a decent enough trade for the Spurs as they get 5 players all 25 or younger and a couple of future 1st's.  That would mean the Spurs would have to move some other players for roster purposes though which might be problematic, though Jonas or Serge could be included and not Powell or all the young guys or other players could be sent back.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: timpiker on July 17, 2018, 09:22:36 AM
Toronto would be insane to trade their best player for a 1 year rental.  Makes absolutely no sense to me.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: greece66 on July 17, 2018, 09:50:33 AM
multiple firsts, Anunoby, van Fleet, Ibaka/Valanciunas.

FVV can’t be traded until January 15th.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1nX4jR_8hP0/maxresdefault.jpg)



Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: Big333223 on July 17, 2018, 11:12:24 AM
Trade anything and everything but keep Lowry and Derozan. Everything else can go and then make a run with that trio. Then try like heck to convince Kawhi that he can be an international star a la Vince Carter.

Celtics in 6 in the ECF.  :)
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: nickagneta on July 17, 2018, 11:56:23 AM
Without DeRozan, the Spurs aren't sending Kawhi to Toronto. Same with Boston and either Brown or Tatum. I just don't see Buford and Pop wanting a hodgepodge 5-6 player package without a star or future star included in the package. Spurs were very good last year without Kawhi. Their thinking in trading him is to get another star or future star, add that player to the current roster and compete.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: footey on July 17, 2018, 12:00:12 PM
Without DeRozan, the Spurs aren't sending Kawhi to Toronto. Same with Boston and either Brown or Tatum. I just don't see Buford and Pop wanting a hodgepodge 5-6 player package without a star or future star included in the package. Spurs were very good last year without Kawhi. Their thinking in trading him is to get another star or future star, add that player to the current roster and compete.

Agree.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 17, 2018, 12:11:09 PM
Without DeRozan, the Spurs aren't sending Kawhi to Toronto. Same with Boston and either Brown or Tatum. I just don't see Buford and Pop wanting a hodgepodge 5-6 player package without a star or future star included in the package. Spurs were very good last year without Kawhi. Their thinking in trading him is to get another star or future star, add that player to the current roster and compete.

OG is probably the most interesting prospect that has come up in trade rumors that is not named Brown or Tatum. I'd take OG before Fultz and Saric. This kid is the exact type of player than can stay on the court in the playoffs and make a difference. Imagine a Murray-Walker-OG lineup defensively.

IF you include Siakim, who is basically a younger Mbouh a Moute, in the deal, it makes it even sweeter. Powell, who would have to be included for salary reasons, has had some good moments too and is pretty versatile.

Then, if you include firsts in 2020 and 2022, there is a chance that the Raptors implode before then with Leonard leaving and Lowry fading in effectiveness. Those picks could be really good.

On top of that, the Raptors have a trade exemption that could absorb all of Danny Green's contract, which frees the Spurs to pursue the youth movement.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: celticsclay on July 17, 2018, 12:27:43 PM
Without DeRozan, the Spurs aren't sending Kawhi to Toronto. Same with Boston and either Brown or Tatum. I just don't see Buford and Pop wanting a hodgepodge 5-6 player package without a star or future star included in the package. Spurs were very good last year without Kawhi. Their thinking in trading him is to get another star or future star, add that player to the current roster and compete.

OG is probably the most interesting prospect that has come up in trade rumors that is not named Brown or Tatum. I'd take OG before Fultz and Saric. This kid is the exact type of player than can stay on the court in the playoffs and make a difference. Imagine a Murray-Walker-OG lineup defensively.

IF you include Siakim, who is basically a younger Mbouh a Moute, in the deal, it makes it even sweeter. Powell, who would have to be included for salary reasons, has had some good moments too and is pretty versatile.

Then, if you include firsts in 2020 and 2022, there is a chance that the Raptors implode before then with Leonard leaving and Lowry fading in effectiveness. Those picks could be really good.

On top of that, the Raptors have a trade exemption that could absorb all of Danny Green's contract, which frees the Spurs to pursue the youth movement.

Yea it is one of those packages that will get blasted in the national media, but ends up working very well for the Spurs overtime.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: greece66 on July 17, 2018, 12:37:50 PM
Without DeRozan, the Spurs aren't sending Kawhi to Toronto. Same with Boston and either Brown or Tatum. I just don't see Buford and Pop wanting a hodgepodge 5-6 player package without a star or future star included in the package. Spurs were very good last year without Kawhi. Their thinking in trading him is to get another star or future star, add that player to the current roster and compete.

OG is probably the most interesting prospect that has come up in trade rumors that is not named Brown or Tatum. I'd take OG before Fultz and Saric. This kid is the exact type of player than can stay on the court in the playoffs and make a difference. Imagine a Murray-Walker-OG lineup defensively.

IF you include Siakim, who is basically a younger Mbouh a Moute, in the deal, it makes it even sweeter. Powell, who would have to be included for salary reasons, has had some good moments too and is pretty versatile.

Then, if you include firsts in 2020 and 2022, there is a chance that the Raptors implode before then with Leonard leaving and Lowry fading in effectiveness. Those picks could be really good.

On top of that, the Raptors have a trade exemption that could absorb all of Danny Green's contract, which frees the Spurs to pursue the youth movement.


I like a deal like this for SAS a lot more than getting DeRozan.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: celticsclay on July 17, 2018, 01:21:17 PM
Without DeRozan, the Spurs aren't sending Kawhi to Toronto. Same with Boston and either Brown or Tatum. I just don't see Buford and Pop wanting a hodgepodge 5-6 player package without a star or future star included in the package. Spurs were very good last year without Kawhi. Their thinking in trading him is to get another star or future star, add that player to the current roster and compete.

Yea I think OG is pretty undervalued here cause he wasn't hyped going into the draft. However he wasn't even really expected to be in the raptors rotation last year as a 20 year old and flashed some pretty good NBA ready skills.

OG is probably the most interesting prospect that has come up in trade rumors that is not named Brown or Tatum. I'd take OG before Fultz and Saric. This kid is the exact type of player than can stay on the court in the playoffs and make a difference. Imagine a Murray-Walker-OG lineup defensively.

IF you include Siakim, who is basically a younger Mbouh a Moute, in the deal, it makes it even sweeter. Powell, who would have to be included for salary reasons, has had some good moments too and is pretty versatile.

Then, if you include firsts in 2020 and 2022, there is a chance that the Raptors implode before then with Leonard leaving and Lowry fading in effectiveness. Those picks could be really good.

On top of that, the Raptors have a trade exemption that could absorb all of Danny Green's contract, which frees the Spurs to pursue the youth movement.


I like a deal like this for SAS a lot more than getting DeRozan.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors? Update: Cryptic IG story just put out by Demar
Post by: JSD on July 18, 2018, 04:30:19 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/UQP5jjR.jpg)


He's mad. Looks like Kawhi to the Raptors is happening.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors? Update: Cryptic IG story just put out by Demar
Post by: Cman on July 18, 2018, 04:36:04 AM
Here’s Woj. Looks like Derozan included.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019497989008576513?s=21
Title: Re: Shams Reporting Kawhi to Raptors all but done deal. Demar with cryptic IG story.
Post by: JSD on July 18, 2018, 04:37:21 AM
Shams with an update too


https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1019500317958950912?s=12
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors? Update: Cryptic IG story just put out by Demar
Post by: JSD on July 18, 2018, 04:43:20 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/UQP5jjR.jpg)


He's mad. Looks like Kawhi to the Raptors is happening.


Demar Derozan IG Story*
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: GreenEnvy on July 18, 2018, 04:45:30 AM
Hopefully Spurs can snag a few more decent players and thin them out.

Raptors are getting better, but risky move.

Won 59 games and sending a top-25ish player for a top-3, but this time next year may have absolutely nothing to show for it.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Cman on July 18, 2018, 04:52:12 AM
Cs job just got harder. But that’s okay.

Such a big risk for Toronto.

Also, I wonder how they round out their roster, and what quality FAs are left.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: pokeKingCurtis on July 18, 2018, 04:55:37 AM
Without DeRozan, the Spurs aren't sending Kawhi to Toronto. Same with Boston and either Brown or Tatum. I just don't see Buford and Pop wanting a hodgepodge 5-6 player package without a star or future star included in the package. Spurs were very good last year without Kawhi. Their thinking in trading him is to get another star or future star, add that player to the current roster and compete.

OG is probably the most interesting prospect that has come up in trade rumors that is not named Brown or Tatum. I'd take OG before Fultz and Saric. This kid is the exact type of player than can stay on the court in the playoffs and make a difference. Imagine a Murray-Walker-OG lineup defensively.

IF you include Siakim, who is basically a younger Mbouh a Moute, in the deal, it makes it even sweeter. Powell, who would have to be included for salary reasons, has had some good moments too and is pretty versatile.

Then, if you include firsts in 2020 and 2022, there is a chance that the Raptors implode before then with Leonard leaving and Lowry fading in effectiveness. Those picks could be really good.

On top of that, the Raptors have a trade exemption that could absorb all of Danny Green's contract, which frees the Spurs to pursue the youth movement.


I like a deal like this for SAS a lot more than getting DeRozan.

This.

Please give them Derozan and OG. Spurs are good to root for.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: pokeKingCurtis on July 18, 2018, 04:57:12 AM
http://abc7.com/sports/raptors-spurs-finalizing-kawhi-leonard-trade-involving-demar-derozan/3780676/

Quote
Leonard and DeRozan are both aware that an agreement could be imminent, and neither is expressing enthusiasm for the deal, league sources said.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 18, 2018, 04:58:20 AM
Wowzers!
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: JSD on July 18, 2018, 05:16:36 AM
Toronto is a huge market. Drake has the hottest song and album in the country right now. Hopefully this keeps Kawhi out of LA
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: playdream on July 18, 2018, 05:23:53 AM
Perfect

Always claimed Kawhi is overrated under Pop buff. that he is equal a player as Hayward under Stevens

We should see the answer soon
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: The Oracle on July 18, 2018, 05:31:29 AM
This could turn into a dumpster fire real quick.  Wouldn't surprise me if Kawhi refuses to go to Toronto or conceivably doesn't pass his physical and the trade is rescinded.  Demar is not happy either LOL.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 18, 2018, 06:09:46 AM
Moving DeRozan defeats the purpose of trading for Kawhi.  They're now just a tougher, but still definitive, out in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: cltc5 on July 18, 2018, 06:36:05 AM
Lol I bet Kawhi is happy ::)
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Green-18 on July 18, 2018, 06:43:28 AM
Can't blame Toronto for going after Leonard, even if it's most likely a one year run.  It's time for them to turn the page on the Lowry and DeRozan era.  I honestly don't think DeRozan's value would have been very high after another season ending in playoff disappointment.

   
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: PAOBoston on July 18, 2018, 06:48:06 AM
This is a great move for Spurs. Just replaced a disgruntled player that hasn't played for you in basically 2 seasons for a perennial all star scorer. Derozan has warts but any reason to think that Pop can't make him better in that system?

For Toronto, it's basically one more swing at a finals run and pray they can somehow convince Kawhi. Otherwise, it will be a firesale/rebuild in their near future.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 18, 2018, 07:34:55 AM
Lakers no get .....Kawhi , CP3 or PG , No Boogie

stuck with 158Million worth of The Queen

Replay the Kobe final years .
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Somebody on July 18, 2018, 07:38:23 AM
I'll have to ask Saltlover on this, but I had a discussion on this that had the Raptors potentially getting two max slots for 2020's FA+a bit more cap if Kawhi bolts. If this is true, this is an awesome deal for Toronto as it improves them this year for contention and allows them to properly rebuild if everything doesn't work out by tanking for a year or two and then go for big FAs.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: boscel33 on July 18, 2018, 08:00:41 AM
Toronto is a huge market. Drake has the hottest song and album in the country right now. Hopefully this keeps Kawhi out of LA

Nice city, but the Canadian taxes are outrageous!  I'll have to wait to see all of the moving parts, but I would since Demar is under contract for three years, that changes the landscape of the trade.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 18, 2018, 08:02:32 AM
Kudos to Spurs for NOT rebuilding the hated Lakers .

Lakers fans still guaranteeing they land Kawhi 2019 .......so i ask them did PG13  or their scared cow CP3 laeve .....NooooO      A year is a long time .  Kawhi will be THE MAN in Canada .  Maybe he grow to like the attention.

Lakers fans boiling over with hate right now.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 18, 2018, 08:02:53 AM
I'll have to ask Saltlover on this, but I had a discussion on this that had the Raptors potentially getting two max slots for 2020's FA+a bit more cap if Kawhi bolts. If this is true, this is an awesome deal for Toronto as it improves them this year for contention and allows them to properly rebuild if everything doesn't work out by tanking for a year or two and then go for big FAs.
That's true assuming no other moves that add out year salary.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: jambr380 on July 18, 2018, 08:06:40 AM
Bummer for Demar - he was a superstar in Toronto and I don’t think he’ll be the same in SAS. He should however get the best coaching of his life and will perhaps be able to take his game to a new level. SAS was able to get an all-star for Kawhi which is great for them.

Kawhi seems pretty hellbent on going to LA - and Toronto isn’t LA - but it is a great city and he should at least enjoy his experience for a year. Nice move for Toronto, as it gives them a solid chance this year with the ability to tear it down and rebuild next - something people were pushing them to do now.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Boris Badenov on July 18, 2018, 08:14:31 AM
I'll have to ask Saltlover on this, but I had a discussion on this that had the Raptors potentially getting two max slots for 2020's FA+a bit more cap if Kawhi bolts. If this is true, this is an awesome deal for Toronto as it improves them this year for contention and allows them to properly rebuild if everything doesn't work out by tanking for a year or two and then go for big FAs.
That's true assuming no other moves that add out year salary.

Is rebuilding through free agency the right move for them?
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: cltc5 on July 18, 2018, 08:15:11 AM
Done deal
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: RJ87 on July 18, 2018, 08:19:55 AM
I like the move for San Antonio. I think Pop will be good for DeRozan.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: CelticSooner on July 18, 2018, 08:23:15 AM
Keeps him off Philly. Good stuff
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: MattyIce on July 18, 2018, 08:28:38 AM
Kudos to Spurs for NOT rebuilding the hated Lakers .

Lakers fans still guaranteeing they land Kawhi 2019 .......so i ask them did PG13  or their scared cow CP3 laeve .....NooooO      A year is a long time .  Kawhi will be THE MAN in Canada .  Maybe he grow to like the attention.

Lakers fans boiling over with hate right now.

it would be just great if he ends up leaving for LA in a year....,clips lol
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: footey on July 18, 2018, 08:29:26 AM
Kudos to Moranis. He predicted Toronto would be good suitor before the rumors started.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: mr. dee on July 18, 2018, 08:30:14 AM
We expected Kawhi to follow Duncan's footsteps. He followed Alvin Robertson's instead.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 18, 2018, 08:30:55 AM
Who else is included in this deal to make it work? A straight Derozan-Leonard swap doesn't seem to work to me?
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 18, 2018, 08:36:20 AM
Who else is included in this deal to make it work? A straight Derozan-Leonard swap doesn't seem to work to me?

i read a report OG Anunoby may be part of deal. 
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 08:37:12 AM
I'll have to ask Saltlover on this, but I had a discussion on this that had the Raptors potentially getting two max slots for 2020's FA+a bit more cap if Kawhi bolts. If this is true, this is an awesome deal for Toronto as it improves them this year for contention and allows them to properly rebuild if everything doesn't work out by tanking for a year or two and then go for big FAs.

Yes, assuming this deal happens (and it’s unclear what is in addition to DeMar/Lowry, but there’s something because the salaries don’t work), the Raptors look to only have Powell and Anunoby under contract entering the summer of 2020 (plus any other draft picks they make).  So they would certainly have room for two max players and the ability to add a role player or two with cap space.  And if they hang onto Kawhi, one max player.  All that said, I’m not certain what the free agency market will look like in 2020, both in terms of available players and bidding competitors.

Also, if Kawhi leaves, they will not be a tax team next year.  With Derozan, they likely would have without additional moves, so there’s a mild benefit there.  They could potentially tank for a season by doing a sell-off, or they could keep competing as a mid-level playoff team before rebuilding in 2020 free agency (kind of like the Celtics last off-season).
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 08:38:06 AM
Who else is included in this deal to make it work? A straight Derozan-Leonard swap doesn't seem to work to me?

i read a report OG Anunoby may be part of deal.

I said Kawhi/Green for DeRozan/OG yesterday.  We’ll see if I have the players correct.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 08:38:54 AM
Raptors just burned down their future for a rental. And they still will not be good enough to beat Boston.

And you can book Raps v Celtics on opening night
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 18, 2018, 08:41:47 AM
Kudos to Spurs for NOT rebuilding the hated Lakers .

Lakers fans still guaranteeing they land Kawhi 2019 .......so i ask them did PG13  or their scared cow CP3 laeve .....NooooO      A year is a long time .  Kawhi will be THE MAN in Canada .  Maybe he grow to like the attention.

Lakers fans boiling over with hate right now.


Fams forum once Lebron signed ......they were all giddy .....everybody wants to play for Lakers and Lebron ...we have the best player in the world ...who wouldn't want to play here .    Apparently CP3 . Boogie,  PG3 .   And Kawhi has a year to think on his selfish behavior .   

Lakers say they have the Best player ...yeah ...and he will be one of the oldest too .  One injury and 150 million down the drain at his age . The contract is blown.

Lebron was after LA business deals , TV etc ,  he would have went somewhere else to actually win a ring . 
it would be just great if he ends up leaving for LA in a year....,clips lol
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 08:43:33 AM
Raptors just burned down their future for a rental. And they still will not be good enough to beat Boston.

And you can book Raps v Celtics on opening night

C’s will be on opening night.  Question is will it be Toronto or Philly as an opponent.

I don’t think the Raps burned down their future.  They decided DeRozan/Lowry wasn’t the answer, so are swinging for the fences with Kawhi, hoping that 11 months and Bird rights will sell him on Toronto.  It’s a risk, but as Ainge has said, the opportunity to get MVP talents comes along rarely, and you take that chance if you can.
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Post by: footey on July 18, 2018, 08:43:44 AM
Move makes sense for Raptors. They weren’t getting by Boston standing pat. Now they have a shot if Kawhi is healthy. I suspect has been given assurances he is, or trade conditioned on medical exam.
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Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 08:43:49 AM
Raptors just burned down their future for a rental. And they still will not be good enough to beat Boston.

And you can book Raps v Celtics on opening night
If they can keep OG I think its a good blow up trade as they could possibly hope for.

If OG is in the deal I think its a big win for the Spurs.
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Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 18, 2018, 08:44:44 AM
Who else is included in this deal to make it work? A straight Derozan-Leonard swap doesn't seem to work to me?

i read a report OG Anunoby may be part of deal.

I said Kawhi/Green for DeRozan/OG yesterday.  We’ll see if I have the players correct.

If that's what the Spurs were demanding, I can see why the Lakers, Sixers, and Celtics couldn't get a deal done.

Great negotiating by the Spurs. If they wind up with OG and DeRozan, that would be amazing.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 08:45:07 AM
Move makes sense for Raptors. They weren’t getting by Boston standing pat. Now they have a shot if Kawhi is healthy. I suspect has been given assurances he is, or trade conditioned on medical exam.
All trades are conditional on medical.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Moranis on July 18, 2018, 08:45:45 AM
Raptors just burned down their future for a rental. And they still will not be good enough to beat Boston.

And you can book Raps v Celtics on opening night
What exactly was Toronto's future though?  They weren't better than Boston before the trade, at least now in a series with Boston, Toronto will have the best player on the floor and if you have that you have at least a decent chance of winning a series. 
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Post by: JBcat on July 18, 2018, 08:45:53 AM
I'll have to ask Saltlover on this, but I had a discussion on this that had the Raptors potentially getting two max slots for 2020's FA+a bit more cap if Kawhi bolts. If this is true, this is an awesome deal for Toronto as it improves them this year for contention and allows them to properly rebuild if everything doesn't work out by tanking for a year or two and then go for big FAs.
That's true assuming no other moves that add out year salary.

Is rebuilding through free agency the right move for them?

It seems to rarely work unless if you have 1 big star to lure FAs in, or a big market (even that is far from a sure thing).
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: CelticSooner on July 18, 2018, 08:47:00 AM
Toronto taking the OKC gamble. Giving up a young player like OG could hurt them but you gotta give up something. No one else was going to give up a All-star player like DeRozan so the Spurs made out well.
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Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 08:48:23 AM
Raptors just burned down their future for a rental. And they still will not be good enough to beat Boston.

And you can book Raps v Celtics on opening night
What exactly was Toronto's future though?  They weren't better than Boston before the trade, at least now in a series with Boston, Toronto will have the best player on the floor and if you have that you have at least a decent chance of winning a series.


For one year? If the Raps gave up significant pieces that are young and future picks for a one year guy, that means next year going forward they will not be good. And this move does not put them over the hump in a series vs Boston nor Philly.

They could have been a playoff team and gradually rebuilt kind of like the Spurs do but now if the Raps lose Leonard next year...they are starting over.
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Post by: CelticSooner on July 18, 2018, 08:49:15 AM
We got a fun division to watch this year.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 08:49:42 AM
It seems to rarely work unless if you have 1 big star to lure FAs in, or a big market (even that is far from a sure thing).
Works just fine to eat up salary for draft picks as part of a rebuild if you miss though.

Better to have clear books so you can sign value contracts and eat salary for picks than have clogged books with older/declining players.

If they plan is to GET two max FAs like LA its a mistake to operate that way for Toronto. But to position yourself to rebuild from Lowry/DeRozen with a clear cap is good.
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Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 08:50:46 AM
Raptors just burned down their future for a rental. And they still will not be good enough to beat Boston.

And you can book Raps v Celtics on opening night
What exactly was Toronto's future though?  They weren't better than Boston before the trade, at least now in a series with Boston, Toronto will have the best player on the floor and if you have that you have at least a decent chance of winning a series.


For one year? If the Raps gave up significant pieces that are young and future picks for a one year guy, that means next year going forward they will not be good. And this move does not put them over the hump in a series vs Boston nor Philly.

I’d have favored them against Philly already this year.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Jack_Frost on July 18, 2018, 08:52:06 AM
I think this is best scenario for celtics.
No kawhi in Philly or LA. Toronto takes him but give up derozan...
Nice
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 18, 2018, 08:52:17 AM
Raptors just burned down their future for a rental. And they still will not be good enough to beat Boston.

And you can book Raps v Celtics on opening night


i disagree .  They got rid of a huge contract, with a player i think mgmt was not totally on board with after his nothing playofrs . i doubt they would be much better this year anyway , if Kawhi stays thats great move.  if he leaves , then fine , the Derose was becomming less popular with his no defense game.  They were stuck below the Celtics .  This move gives them a chance to improve and if not, push the button to rebuild with space to do other things .   It was a great move for both .  Spurs spit in the eye of Magic Johnson and Lakers ....don't create another super power next door in the West.   They get a really good player , who will come around to playing in SA .  Kudos to both Clubs .   Kawhi needed to be brought down to earth .  Maybe he ll cool off up north.   Or do an Alonzo Mourning and FAKE more injury to sit out the season.  This judt shows his true nature and hurts his worth in the long run.

The big Loser is the Lakers.  hands down.....taking on the the Lebron Circus was supposed to include up to TWO all stars to follow . NOW ...not in two years .   The door was slamed in their face.  They have maybe two good years of Lebron contract and maybe two declining years . Then he is anold man in the NBA.   
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 08:53:50 AM
Raptors just burned down their future for a rental. And they still will not be good enough to beat Boston.

And you can book Raps v Celtics on opening night
What exactly was Toronto's future though?  They weren't better than Boston before the trade, at least now in a series with Boston, Toronto will have the best player on the floor and if you have that you have at least a decent chance of winning a series.


For one year? If the Raps gave up significant pieces that are young and future picks for a one year guy, that means next year going forward they will not be good. And this move does not put them over the hump in a series vs Boston nor Philly.

I’d have favored them against Philly already this year.

Not sure about that. Maybe but it is razor thin esp if the Raptors burned their bench in this deal. Bottom line is I do not see them being better than the Celtics.

Not really sure how the Lakers lost. They can just sign him for free next year and keep their young players. Long run they are a big winner
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Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 08:54:08 AM
Raptors just burned down their future for a rental. And they still will not be good enough to beat Boston.

And you can book Raps v Celtics on opening night
What exactly was Toronto's future though?  They weren't better than Boston before the trade, at least now in a series with Boston, Toronto will have the best player on the floor and if you have that you have at least a decent chance of winning a series.


For one year? If the Raps gave up significant pieces that are young and future picks for a one year guy, that means next year going forward they will not be good. And this move does not put them over the hump in a series vs Boston nor Philly.

They could have been a playoff team and gradually rebuilt kind of like the Spurs do but now if the Raps lose Leonard next year...they are starting over.
No one was going to give them anything for Lowry/Ibaka/Valanciunas at this point.

The only way to really get value in a blow up was to move DeRozen. I agree with you if the deal is multiple picks and young pieces, but we really don't know yet.
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Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 08:55:33 AM
The big Loser is the Lakers.  hands down.....taking on the the Lebron Circus was supposed to include up to TWO all stars to follow .   The door was slamed in their face.  They have maybe two good years of Lebron contract and maybe two declining years . Then he is anold man in the NBA.
Meh, I think its fine if Kawhi comes in FA. That's when its decided for the Lakers. I get them holding tight to Ingram, I think he'll be really good. Realistically they need one of their young pieces to pop to compliment LBJ + other star. And I think Ingram is their best shot.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: CelticSooner on July 18, 2018, 08:56:55 AM
Raptors just burned down their future for a rental. And they still will not be good enough to beat Boston.

And you can book Raps v Celtics on opening night


i disagree .  They got rid of a huge contract, with a player i think mgmt was not totally on board with after his nothing playofrs . i doubt they would be much better this year anyway , if Kawhi stays thats great move.  if he leaves , then fine , the Derose was becomming less popular with his no defense game.  They were stuck below the Celtics .  This move gives them a chance to improve and if not, push the button to rebuild with space to do other things .   It was a great move for both .  Spurs spit in tue eye of Magic Johnson and Lakers ....don't create another super power next door in the West.   They get a really good player , who will come around to playing in SA . 

The big Loser is the Lakers.  hands down.....taking on the the Lebron Circus was supposed to include up to TWO all stars to follow .   The door was slamed in their face.  They have maybe two good years of Lebron contract and maybe two declining years . Then he is anold man in the NBA.

I’m not sure I’d consider it a great move for Toronto. Only because I see him walking and they will have given good assests for rental. Their gamble tho
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 08:57:29 AM
Lakers might end up being the biggest winner of all if he comes to LA next summer. Get him and keep the rest of your young talent.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 09:00:50 AM
Its just DeRozan/Poeltl and a protected 2019 pick for Kawhi and Danny Green.

Easily a good move for the Raptors, kept OG/Siakam.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 09:01:54 AM
Who else is included in this deal to make it work? A straight Derozan-Leonard swap doesn't seem to work to me?

i read a report OG Anunoby may be part of deal.

I said Kawhi/Green for DeRozan/OG yesterday.  We’ll see if I have the players correct.

Poeltl instead of OG.  Fine move for the Raptors.
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Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 09:02:15 AM
Lakers might end up being the biggest winner of all if he comes to LA next summer. Get him and keep the rest of your young talent.

Doubt it. Look at what happened with George and OKC

Lakers too cheap to trade for Leonard. Players remeber these kind of things
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Post by: CelticSooner on July 18, 2018, 09:02:36 AM
Its just DeRozan/Poeltl and a protected 2019 pick for Kawhi and Danny Green.

Easily a good move for the Raptors, kept OG/Siakam.

That’s all? lol man Toronto going to pretty tough

I assumed Spurs would be getting more young players. Trade doesn’t look so hot for them anymore.
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Post by: Cman on July 18, 2018, 09:05:44 AM
Its just DeRozan/Poeltl and a protected 2019 pick for Kawhi and Danny Green.

Easily a good move for the Raptors, kept OG/Siakam.

It all depends on the protections. Hopefully it conveys in 2019 when Toronto will be good. And not 2020 or beyond when they will be terrible.
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Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 09:07:04 AM
Lakers might end up being the biggest winner of all if he comes to LA next summer. Get him and keep the rest of your young talent.

Doubt it. Look at what happened with George and OKC

Lakers too cheap to trade for Leonard. Players remeber these kind of things



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Post by: Moranis on July 18, 2018, 09:08:10 AM
Yeah keeping OG and getting Green makes it a much better deal for the Raptors.

Assuming all the injured guys are healthy, this is pretty clearly the 2nd best team in the East now and are close enough to Boston that it wouldn't really be an upset if they won the series.

PG - Lowry, VanVleet, Wright
SG - Green, Powell, Richardson
SF - Leonard, Anunoby, Miles
PF - Ibaka, Siakam
C - Valanciunas, Nogueira?
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Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 09:08:26 AM
Its just DeRozan/Poeltl and a protected 2019 pick for Kawhi and Danny Green.

Easily a good move for the Raptors, kept OG/Siakam.

It all depends on the protections. Hopefully it conveys in 2019 when Toronto will be good. And not 2020 or beyond when they will be terrible.
I'm betting its just lottery protection for the Raptors, but it could be the dual top/bottom protection I guess.
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Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 09:08:44 AM
Meh...I will gladly trade out an unhappy Leonard to the East for LeBron to the West.

Celtics to me still are a cut above. Thinks this affects Philly more.
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Post by: RockinRyA on July 18, 2018, 09:08:46 AM
Lakers might end up being the biggest winner of all if he comes to LA next summer. Get him and keep the rest of your young talent.

I read somewhere that the best case scenario for the Lakers would be a trade as opposed to FA signing. It seems that if thru trade, they will free up enough salary to get another max FA.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 09:09:12 AM
Yeah Kawhi might not go to the Lakers, I don't think he's sticking in Toronto though. Lots of teams will be putting out the red carpet for him in FA.
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Post by: CelticSooner on July 18, 2018, 09:10:37 AM
Regardless on paper Toronto improved this season if Kawhi doesn’t pout.
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Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 09:10:58 AM
There is no doubt that Danny could have beaten that offer if he really wanted to.
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Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 09:11:21 AM
Pick is protected 1-20 and becomes a second rounder after this year. No way they lose a lottery pick.

Dang no one was offering ANYTHING for Kawhi.
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Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 09:11:53 AM
There is no doubt that Danny could have beaten that offer if he really wanted to.
Jaylen Brown + expiring contracts would have beaten out this deal easily.
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Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 18, 2018, 09:12:19 AM
Anyone have any idea how much money Leonard will lose in taxes this year with this deal? Leaving Texas (no state tax) and going to Canada (extra tax I think?) seems significant.

Leonard-OG wing positions will be nasty defensively.
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Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 09:12:45 AM
Pick is protected 1-20 and becomes a second rounder after this year. No way they lose a lottery pick.

Dang no one was offering ANYTHING for Kawhi.

Correct. Think everyone got the sense he was not resigning or might be more injured than expected. Even Philly could have done better than that. Boston could have easily gotten him for Brown and the Kings pick IMO
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Post by: CelticSooner on July 18, 2018, 09:13:29 AM
Spurs essentially traded Kawhi for Derozan straight up. Pretty short sided move.
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Post by: Phantom255x on July 18, 2018, 09:13:39 AM
Toronto improved a little but I still like our chances against them. PHI is the big loser here. I think TOR is now the 2nd best in East, not "The Process" that's bringing back virtually the same team  :P
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Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 18, 2018, 09:14:44 AM
Irving + picks or Hayward + picks would have been the comparable offer from the Celtics that the Spurs were looking for.

It sounds more and more like that was either just media rumors or the Spurs releasing info of what kind of a deal they wanted. That makes me glad, because I like our top 5 guys. 
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Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 09:14:56 AM
Pick is protected 1-20 and becomes a second rounder after this year. No way they lose a lottery pick.

Dang no one was offering ANYTHING for Kawhi.

Correct. Think everyone got the sense he was not resigning or might be more injured than expected. Even Philly could have done better than that. Boston could have easily gotten him for Brown and the Kings pick IMO
The Celtics could have gotten him for just Jaylen Brown.
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Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 09:16:39 AM
Irving + picks or Hayward + picks would have been the comparable offer from the Celtics that the Spurs were looking for.

It sounds more and more like that was either just media rumors or the Spurs releasing info of what kind of a deal they wanted. That makes me glad, because I like our top 5 guys.
"Pick" not picks.

The pick is either a 2nd or 21-30 so its low value no matter what.

Spurs didn't get any good offers from anyone and just finally decided to take the best of what they could and move forward.
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Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 18, 2018, 09:17:00 AM
Lakers might end up being the biggest winner of all if he comes to LA next summer. Get him and keep the rest of your young talent.

Doubt it. Look at what happened with George and OKC

Lakers too cheap to trade for Leonard. Players remeber these kind of things

yup ..LA had their chance ....Magic just thought Spurs would capitulate and do any deal.....Lebron signed quick ...to give the Lakers as much chance as possible to draw CP3.  PG.  Boogie and Kawhi , they were not getting ANY without Lebron signing.   And they Still Didn't .   

Lakers are the BIg loser is this ...their whole plan or scheme with Leturd blwe up last night .  Yes they will still be good , but the object is NOt just to compete , but win .  They are not gonna beat the others in West with Ball , Ingram and Lebron .  An't happening .   That leaves three years to get Kawhi or another star to help the Whiner ....as he gets older and closer to his first major injury . 

Even if Kawhi walks , the Lakers still have to incorporate the LECLUB scheme of playing ball,  where Lonzo becomes useless ,  Lebron calls all the plays ,  does Luke bend over and let Lebron coach the team .  It will take 1-2 years to settle the AlPHA s struggle that certainly will cocure, its happened with Lebron everywhere he goes .  He fires coaches , and get his way .  So...it takes a while to settle the pecking order in a Lebron team .   By the time they get this sorted out , Lebron is even richer , and out of years .   Kobe demise.
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Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 09:17:07 AM
Boston finishes first in the East...Philly and Raps have to play each other in the second round. Sets up nicely for the Celtics.

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Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 09:17:16 AM
Toronto improved a little but I still like our chances against them. PHI is the big loser here. I think TOR is now the 2nd best in East, not "The Process" that's bringing back virtually the same team  :P

Toronto always was the second best team.  They’ve solidified it.
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Post by: action781 on July 18, 2018, 09:18:28 AM
Good deal for Toronto.  If Derozan stayed, they would have been forced to overpay to re-up on old guys like Lowry and Ibaka to keep Derozan and fans happy for the next 5 years.

Now, they upgrade Derozan to Kawhi for one year.  If he stays, awesome.  If he leaves, then they have a clear direction to reboot after sucking up one final year of Lowry and Ibaka contracts on their books.  They also have a roster right now that can play more small ball than before.
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Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 09:18:33 AM
Like I said...boston's biggest win this offseason is getting guys healthy and James going West. I like Leonard but he can't carry a team like James does.
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Post by: fairweatherfan on July 18, 2018, 09:18:43 AM
Pretty nice value for the Spurs to get an actual star for Kawhi after no one was willing to make a godfather offer. This lets Toronto get one more roll of the dice before almost certainly blowing it up, and they don't lose any of their rookie deal guys. Seems like it makes mutual sense.

Wonder if Kawhi will report to Toronto though - he can still blow this up and seems capable of doing it.


EDIT: Oh Danny Green is a solid wing pickup for Toronto too.
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Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 09:19:07 AM
Boston finishes first in the East...Philly and Raps have to play each other in the second round. Sets up nicely for the Celtics.
Is it weird that I'm not certain that Philly finishes third?

Heck if Kawhi is still they same guy I can see the Raptors beating out the C's for the 1 seed too.
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Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 18, 2018, 09:19:49 AM
Pick is protected 1-20 and becomes a second rounder after this year. No way they lose a lottery pick.

Dang no one was offering ANYTHING for Kawhi.

Correct. Think everyone got the sense he was not resigning or might be more injured than expected. Even Philly could have done better than that. Boston could have easily gotten him for Brown and the Kings pick IMO
The Celtics could have gotten him for just Jaylen Brown.


that would have bennvery foolish indeed, thank heavens DA did not do it.
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Post by: mef730 on July 18, 2018, 09:19:59 AM
Spurs essentially traded Kawhi for Derozan straight up. Pretty short sided move.

We can only say that if we know what others were offering. If he was going to leave at the end of the year, Derozan is better than nothing. Not great, but there clearly weren't a lot of good options on the table for SAS.

Mike
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Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 09:20:41 AM
Pretty nice value for the Spurs to get an actual star for Kawhi after no one was willing to make a godfather offer. This lets Toronto get one more roll of the dice before almost certainly blowing it up, and they don't lose any of their rookie deal guys. Seems like it makes mutual sense.

Wonder if Kawhi will report to Toronto though - he can still blow this up and seems capable of doing it.
The fines for reporting pile up pretty quickly.

Plus he has to show up eventually to get a year of service to become a FA. I think he reports and plays it out and then takes meetings with the LA teams + Knicks in FA getting the red carpet recruitment tour.
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Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 09:21:01 AM
Spurs essentially traded Kawhi for Derozan straight up. Pretty short sided move.

DeRozan is under contract for 3 more years, and they return almost all of a team that nearly won 50 games with Kawhi sitting out.  I don’t understand why people think getting a grab bag of picks and prospects was the correct move.  If they were able to get a specific young player that had franchise potential, that’s one thing, but reportedly none of those were on the table.
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Post by: Phantom255x on July 18, 2018, 09:21:13 AM
Oh I didn't realize Raps also got Danny Green in the deal too.

That's actually a sneaky good addition. Still think Boston's better so long as healthy of course.

But Toronto may now be the 2nd best in East, not PHI.
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Post by: CelticSooner on July 18, 2018, 09:21:38 AM
Spurs essentially traded Kawhi for Derozan straight up. Pretty short sided move.

We can only say that if we know what others were offering. If he was going to leave at the end of the year, Derozan is better than nothing. Not great, but there clearly weren't a lot of good options on the table for SAS.

Mike

Yeah that’s pretty obvious. He completely tanked his trade value saying it was LA or bust.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: footey on July 18, 2018, 09:21:52 AM
Anyone have any idea how much money Leonard will lose in taxes this year with this deal? Leaving Texas (no state tax) and going to Canada (extra tax I think?) seems significant.

Leonard-OG wing positions will be nasty defensively.

It's never been about money for KL. Drives a beat up truck.  Rejected super max offer of Spurs.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Fan from VT on July 18, 2018, 09:22:33 AM
There is no doubt that Danny could have beaten that offer if he really wanted to.

I agree this knowledge plus the underwhelming return the Spurs got kind of supports David aldrdge idea that Kawai was in no way committing anywhere.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 09:23:39 AM
Anyone have any idea how much money Leonard will lose in taxes this year with this deal? Leaving Texas (no state tax) and going to Canada (extra tax I think?) seems significant.

Leonard-OG wing positions will be nasty defensively.

It's never been about money for KL. Drives a beat up truck.  Rejected super max offer of Spurs.

And yet we’ve heard a fair bit about his next shoe deal.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 09:23:51 AM
Boston finishes first in the East...Philly and Raps have to play each other in the second round. Sets up nicely for the Celtics.
Is it weird that I'm not certain that Philly finishes third?

Heck if Kawhi is still they same guy I can see the Raptors beating out the C's for the 1 seed too.

If they do it will be because of the Doc Rivers method of resting players and not giving a crap where you finish.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 18, 2018, 09:24:53 AM
Yeah, based on initial googling, I'm pretty sure Leonard loses like 4 million extra in taxes in this deal by moving from Texas to Canada.

Edit: It's been one of the reasons that players don't want to go to Toronto and that the Raptors had to give Lowry, Ibaka, DeRozan so much money.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 09:25:38 AM
Early EC Predictions:

1. Boston 2. Toronto 3. Philly 4. Indiana 5. Milwaukee 6. Miami 7. Washington 8. Detroit
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: CelticSooner on July 18, 2018, 09:26:19 AM
Spurs essentially traded Kawhi for Derozan straight up. Pretty short sided move.

DeRozan is under contract for 3 more years, and they return almost all of a team that nearly won 50 games with Kawhi sitting out.  I don’t understand why people think getting a grab bag of picks and prospects was the correct move.  If they were able to get a specific young player that had franchise potential, that’s one thing, but reportedly none of those were on the table.

I’m not a DeRozan fan and think it’s beyond time for SA to rebuild that’s why lol
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 09:27:24 AM
Spurs essentially traded Kawhi for Derozan straight up. Pretty short sided move.

DeRozan is under contract for 3 more years, and they return almost all of a team that nearly won 50 games with Kawhi sitting out.  I don’t understand why people think getting a grab bag of picks and prospects was the correct move.  If they were able to get a specific young player that had franchise potential, that’s one thing, but reportedly none of those were on the table.

I’m not a DeRozan fan and think it’s beyond time for SA to rebuild that’s why lol

I’m going to go with RC Buford and Greg Popovich on this one.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: footey on July 18, 2018, 09:27:28 AM
Raptors just burned down their future for a rental. And they still will not be good enough to beat Boston.

And you can book Raps v Celtics on opening night
What exactly was Toronto's future though?  They weren't better than Boston before the trade, at least now in a series with Boston, Toronto will have the best player on the floor and if you have that you have at least a decent chance of winning a series.


For one year? If the Raps gave up significant pieces that are young and future picks for a one year guy, that means next year going forward they will not be good. And this move does not put them over the hump in a series vs Boston nor Philly.

I’d have favored them against Philly already this year.

Not sure about that. Maybe but it is razor thin esp if the Raptors burned their bench in this deal. Bottom line is I do not see them being better than the Celtics.

Not really sure how the Lakers lost. They can just sign him for free next year and keep their young players. Long run they are a big winner

Assuming he goes there.

Can the Clips create enough space through trades to make a max offer to KL in 2019?  Will be interesting to see if they try to do that.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: tonydelk on July 18, 2018, 09:27:44 AM
Yeah keeping OG and getting Green makes it a much better deal for the Raptors.

Assuming all the injured guys are healthy, this is pretty clearly the 2nd best team in the East now and are close enough to Boston that it wouldn't really be an upset if they won the series.

PG - Lowry, VanVleet, Wright
SG - Green, Powell, Richardson
SF - Leonard, Anunoby, Miles
PF - Ibaka, Siakam
C - Valanciunas, Nogueira?

That's a very good team but Boston is stronger at 4 out of 5 positions.
Lowry < Irving
Green < Jaylen
Leonard > Hayward
Ibaka < Tatum
valanciunas < Horford

I'm just glad Leonard didn't get his way.  I wish the NBA had a team in the Artic because if I were the Spurs that's where I would have traded Kawaii to.  Too bad you can't sell NBA players to overseas teams.  That would have been a good option as well.  I love the NBA and quite frankly I follow the NBA over all other sports.  (it's not saying much because I'm an avid NFL, MLB and College football fan as well)  What I can't stand is a player dictating what a team can do.  It's enough that they get a guaranteed contract.  Ask NFL players who put their bodies on the line how they feel about some of these dramatic NBA superqueens.  NFL players get the short end of the stick in sports with the Not For Long contracts. 
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 09:28:23 AM
Yeah, based on initial googling, I'm pretty sure Leonard loses like 4 million extra in taxes in this deal by moving from Texas to Canada.

Edit: It's been one of the reasons that players don't want to go to Toronto and that the Raptors had to give Lowry, Ibaka, DeRozan so much money.

And yet DeRozan gains a ton from taxes and reportedly is upset too, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 09:29:52 AM
Dont be surprised if Raps end up trading Leonard again sometime later this season if he doesnt agree to an extension

Raptors alternate route to trading for Shai Alexandre
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 09:30:01 AM
Yeah keeping OG and getting Green makes it a much better deal for the Raptors.

Assuming all the injured guys are healthy, this is pretty clearly the 2nd best team in the East now and are close enough to Boston that it wouldn't really be an upset if they won the series.

PG - Lowry, VanVleet, Wright
SG - Green, Powell, Richardson
SF - Leonard, Anunoby, Miles
PF - Ibaka, Siakam
C - Valanciunas, Nogueira?

That's a very good team but Boston is stronger at 4 out of 5 positions.
Lowry < Irving
Green < Jaylen
Leonard > Hayward
Ibaka < Tatum
valanciunas < Horford

I'm just glad Leonard didn't get his way.  I wish the NBA had a team in the Artic because if I were the Spurs that's where I would have traded Kawaii to.  Too bad you can't sell NBA players to overseas teams.  That would have been a good option as well.  I love the NBA and quite frankly I follow the NBA over all other sports.  (it's not saying much because I'm an avid NFL, MLB and College football fan as well)  What I can't stand is a player dictating what a team can do.  It's enough that they get a guaranteed contract.  Ask NFL players who put their bodies on the line how they feel about some of these dramatic NBA superqueens.  NFL players get the short end of the stick in sports with the Not For Long contracts.

Healthy Hayward can challenge Leonard...not as good but not nearly as big a gulf as people think.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: CelticSooner on July 18, 2018, 09:30:35 AM
Spurs essentially traded Kawhi for Derozan straight up. Pretty short sided move.

DeRozan is under contract for 3 more years, and they return almost all of a team that nearly won 50 games with Kawhi sitting out.  I don’t understand why people think getting a grab bag of picks and prospects was the correct move.  If they were able to get a specific young player that had franchise potential, that’s one thing, but reportedly none of those were on the table.

I’m not a DeRozan fan and think it’s beyond time for SA to rebuild that’s why lol

I’m going to go with RC Buford and Greg Popovich on this one.

I’ll go with a second round exit
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 18, 2018, 09:31:16 AM
Yeah, based on initial googling, I'm pretty sure Leonard loses like 4 million extra in taxes in this deal by moving from Texas to Canada.

Edit: It's been one of the reasons that players don't want to go to Toronto and that the Raptors had to give Lowry, Ibaka, DeRozan so much money.

And yet DeRozan gains a ton from taxes and reportedly is upset too, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah. He would gain about 5-6 million more dollars back by not having to pay extra taxes.

I think he liked being the star in the big market. I think he liked being the guy that Drake cheered for.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: johnnygreen on July 18, 2018, 09:32:15 AM
Great move by Toronto. The Lowry/Derozen tandem was great for the regular season, but also a disaster in the playoffs. They will end up trading the guy with the longer contract too. If Kawhi ends up liking his time there and resigns, then it was a great deal. If Kawhi leaves after one year, it will still be a good trade because they would have dumped a max contract (Derozen) that wasn't helping them in the playoffs and also avoiding a possible luxury tax penalty in the near future.

The trade clearly makes Toronto the second best team in the East behind Boston. Toronto has a great home court advantage because of their fans, which will make them a very tough out with the addition of Kawhi. I highly doubt Kawhi resigns, but if he does, it will be because of Toronto's passionate fan base. I can also see Drake doing everything he can to help promote the Kawhi brand, and making him very marketable in a Raptors uniform.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: footey on July 18, 2018, 09:32:50 AM
Boston finishes first in the East...Philly and Raps have to play each other in the second round. Sets up nicely for the Celtics.

Jumping the gun there, Orlando.   
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: fairweatherfan on July 18, 2018, 09:33:45 AM
Pretty nice value for the Spurs to get an actual star for Kawhi after no one was willing to make a godfather offer. This lets Toronto get one more roll of the dice before almost certainly blowing it up, and they don't lose any of their rookie deal guys. Seems like it makes mutual sense.

Wonder if Kawhi will report to Toronto though - he can still blow this up and seems capable of doing it.
The fines for reporting pile up pretty quickly.

Plus he has to show up eventually to get a year of service to become a FA. I think he reports and plays it out and then takes meetings with the LA teams + Knicks in FA getting the red carpet recruitment tour.

Haha yeah, that'll probably seal it. 

Sounds like DeRozan is very upset with Toronto, thinks he was lied to about being traded. Not a new story for guys getting traded the first time, and he's probably right about the lying. But that's the league. Shoulda won more playoff games, guy.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard to Raptors?
Post by: timpiker on July 18, 2018, 09:34:34 AM
Toronto would be insane to trade their best player for a 1 year rental.  Makes absolutely no sense to me.

This is my post from yesterday - still can't believe it now that its come true today.  Boy was I wrong.  Maybe Toronto just wants to get out of the $89M I think) they still owe DeRozan?
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 09:35:02 AM
Boston finishes first in the East...Philly and Raps have to play each other in the second round. Sets up nicely for the Celtics.

Jumping the gun there, Orlando.

Exactly. Worst thing that could happen to Celts happened.

Leonard is like another Lebron. People already forget
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 09:35:06 AM
Boston finishes first in the East...Philly and Raps have to play each other in the second round. Sets up nicely for the Celtics.

Jumping the gun there, Orlando.

Man...you guys complain when I am too negative and then complain when I positive!! I firmly believe Boston should be the #1 seed in the East if they want it.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 09:35:50 AM
Boston finishes first in the East...Philly and Raps have to play each other in the second round. Sets up nicely for the Celtics.

Jumping the gun there, Orlando.

Exactly. Worst thing that could happen to Celts happened.

Leonard is like another Lebron. People already forget


Not a chance man. James on another level.

How is this the worst thing that could have happened to the Celtics? Boston adding 2 all stars to a young core that went 7 with the best player in the world? And then James leaves the East? I will take that trade off everyday.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: footey on July 18, 2018, 09:35:56 AM
Anyone have any idea how much money Leonard will lose in taxes this year with this deal? Leaving Texas (no state tax) and going to Canada (extra tax I think?) seems significant.

Leonard-OG wing positions will be nasty defensively.

It's never been about money for KL. Drives a beat up truck.  Rejected super max offer of Spurs.

And yet we’ve heard a fair bit about his next shoe deal.

It's not the shoes, Mars.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: action781 on July 18, 2018, 09:36:01 AM
Heck if Kawhi is still they same guy I can see the Raptors beating out the C's for the 1 seed too.

I agree.  Toronto has been an excellent regular season team lately and just got better.  They've got a lot of solid depth to weather any injuries.  Not the best team in the East IMO, but would not surprise me if they finished first in regular season.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 09:38:25 AM
Heck if Kawhi is still they same guy I can see the Raptors beating out the C's for the 1 seed too.

I agree.  Toronto has been an excellent regular season team lately and just got better.  They've got a lot of solid depth to weather any injuries.  Not the best team in the East IMO, but would not surprise me if they finished first in regular season.

And if they finish first so be it. They won't beat Boston in a 7 game series.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: footey on July 18, 2018, 09:38:37 AM
Be curious how the trade impacts Vegas odds for 2019 championship. Boston go down slightly, since road to finals just got tougher?  Did Laker odds drop significantly, since betting line factored in that KL could wind up in LA?

My son laid out $100 bucks for me in Vegas this weekend on the Celtics, when the odds were 5 1/2 to 1.

Still like my chances!!!
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: LilRip on July 18, 2018, 09:39:01 AM
What hurts more: this or the IT trade?

I mean, DD didn’t want to leave Toronto either and he probably thought he’d make his legacy there. Sounds like he got blindsided by the trade too. For a guy who might not even stay beyond a year!
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 09:41:06 AM
Haha yeah, that'll probably seal it. 

Sounds like DeRozan is very upset with Toronto, thinks he was lied to about being traded. Not a new story for guys getting traded the first time, and he's probably right about the lying. But that's the league. Shoulda won more playoff games, guy.
Yeah I don't get why GMs don't take the Ainge tact and just say everyone is available if it makes the team better.

Easy enough to say no trade is cooking but you know my default line since I've been here, everyone can be traded.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 09:43:08 AM
Boston finishes first in the East...Philly and Raps have to play each other in the second round. Sets up nicely for the Celtics.

Jumping the gun there, Orlando.

Exactly. Worst thing that could happen to Celts happened.

Leonard is like another Lebron. People already forget


Not a chance man. James on another level.

How is this the worst thing that could have happened to the Celtics? Boston adding 2 all stars to a young core that went 7 with the best player in the world? And then James leaves the East? I will take that trade off everyday.

You already forgot

Leonard is just a tad below but younger and better defender
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Jvalin on July 18, 2018, 09:43:10 AM
We got a fun division to watch this year.
Boston finishes first in the East...Philly and Raps have to play each other in the second round. Sets up nicely for the Celtics.
(...) you can book Raps v Celtics on opening night
C’s will be on opening night.  Question is will it be Toronto or Philly as an opponent.
Opening night can't come soon enough! It's gonna be a hell of a season! 8)


Imo the Sixers lost 2 key pieces in Belinelli-Ilyasova. Simmons needs deadly shooters around him in order to be effective. The Raps are gonna be good, no doubt about that. As things stand right now, I still fancy the C's for the No. 1 seed.

Let's go C's!
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 09:45:01 AM
Boston finishes first in the East...Philly and Raps have to play each other in the second round. Sets up nicely for the Celtics.

Jumping the gun there, Orlando.

Exactly. Worst thing that could happen to Celts happened.

Leonard is like another Lebron. People already forget


Not a chance man. James on another level.

How is this the worst thing that could have happened to the Celtics? Boston adding 2 all stars to a young core that went 7 with the best player in the world? And then James leaves the East? I will take that trade off everyday.

You already forgot

Leonard is just a tad below but younger and better defender

Haven't forgot anything. But Leonard is oft hurt. And James owned the Celtics. I will take that deal.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 09:45:24 AM
What hurts more: this or the IT trade?

I mean, DD didn’t want to leave Toronto either and he probably thought he’d make his legacy there. Sounds like he got blindsided by the trade too. For a guy who might not even stay beyond a year!
IT trade, DeRozen is still getting paid.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 09:48:04 AM
What hurts more: this or the IT trade?

I mean, DD didn’t want to leave Toronto either and he probably thought he’d make his legacy there. Sounds like he got blindsided by the trade too. For a guy who might not even stay beyond a year!

Bottom line is he didnt perform in the playoffs

Masai had enough. You also never see a coach of the year fired
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 09:49:37 AM
What hurts more: this or the IT trade?

I mean, DD didn’t want to leave Toronto either and he probably thought he’d make his legacy there. Sounds like he got blindsided by the trade too. For a guy who might not even stay beyond a year!

Bottom line is he didnt perform in the playoffs

Masai had enough. You also never see a coach of the year fired

Think you need to put a bit more on Lowery. He NEVER shows up on the big stage of the playoffs.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 09:50:05 AM
Boston finishes first in the East...Philly and Raps have to play each other in the second round. Sets up nicely for the Celtics.

Jumping the gun there, Orlando.

Exactly. Worst thing that could happen to Celts happened.

Leonard is like another Lebron. People already forget


Not a chance man. James on another level.

How is this the worst thing that could have happened to the Celtics? Boston adding 2 all stars to a young core that went 7 with the best player in the world? And then James leaves the East? I will take that trade off everyday.

You already forgot

Leonard is just a tad below but younger and better defender

Haven't forgot anything. But Leonard is oft hurt. And James owned the Celtics. I will take that deal.

Leonard has been recently injured. Not previously

Well Leonard owns the Celtics too. He has dominated against the Celts in the past
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 09:51:48 AM
Boston finishes first in the East...Philly and Raps have to play each other in the second round. Sets up nicely for the Celtics.

Jumping the gun there, Orlando.

Exactly. Worst thing that could happen to Celts happened.

Leonard is like another Lebron. People already forget


Not a chance man. James on another level.

How is this the worst thing that could have happened to the Celtics? Boston adding 2 all stars to a young core that went 7 with the best player in the world? And then James leaves the East? I will take that trade off everyday.

You already forgot

Leonard is just a tad below but younger and better defender

Haven't forgot anything. But Leonard is oft hurt. And James owned the Celtics. I will take that deal.

Leonard has been recently injured. Not previously

Well Leonard owns the Celtics too. He has dominated against the Celts in the past

Nowhere near like Lebron. If you think this makes Toronto better than Boston, that is your right. But I would much rather have Leonard as Boston's main obstacle than Lebron.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: hpantazo on July 18, 2018, 09:54:58 AM
Boston finishes first in the East...Philly and Raps have to play each other in the second round. Sets up nicely for the Celtics.

Jumping the gun there, Orlando.

Exactly. Worst thing that could happen to Celts happened.

Leonard is like another Lebron. People already forget


Not a chance man. James on another level.

How is this the worst thing that could have happened to the Celtics? Boston adding 2 all stars to a young core that went 7 with the best player in the world? And then James leaves the East? I will take that trade off everyday.

You already forgot

Leonard is just a tad below but younger and better defender

Haven't forgot anything. But Leonard is oft hurt. And James owned the Celtics. I will take that deal.

Leonard has been recently injured. Not previously

Well Leonard owns the Celtics too. He has dominated against the Celts in the past

I’m pretty sure Leonard hasn’t played against the Kyrie, Tatum et al version of the Celtics
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: LakersFan_33 on July 18, 2018, 09:56:48 AM
I don't see how you could see it as anything other than good for the Lakers...Send Kawhi to a team that he probably won't stay at long term, see how healthy he is, and give up none of your young players/picks.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 09:57:25 AM
Boston finishes first in the East...Philly and Raps have to play each other in the second round. Sets up nicely for the Celtics.

Jumping the gun there, Orlando.

Exactly. Worst thing that could happen to Celts happened.

Leonard is like another Lebron. People already forget


Not a chance man. James on another level.

How is this the worst thing that could have happened to the Celtics? Boston adding 2 all stars to a young core that went 7 with the best player in the world? And then James leaves the East? I will take that trade off everyday.

You already forgot

Leonard is just a tad below but younger and better defender

Haven't forgot anything. But Leonard is oft hurt. And James owned the Celtics. I will take that deal.

Leonard has been recently injured. Not previously

Well Leonard owns the Celtics too. He has dominated against the Celts in the past

I’m pretty sure Leonard hasn’t played against the Kyrie, Tatum et al version of the Celtics

Lebron hasnt either
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 09:58:17 AM
I don't see how you could see it as anything other than good for the Lakers...Send Kawhi to a team that he probably won't stay at long term, see how healthy he is, and give up none of your young players/picks.

If it works out that way...Lakers are the big winners today.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: footey on July 18, 2018, 09:59:47 AM
Line up match up issue: Who guards KL, if Jaylen covers Danny Green? 

May have to switch Jaylen onto KL, and put GH on Green.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: green_bballers13 on July 18, 2018, 10:00:02 AM
Boston finishes first in the East...Philly and Raps have to play each other in the second round. Sets up nicely for the Celtics.

Jumping the gun there, Orlando.

Exactly. Worst thing that could happen to Celts happened.

Leonard is like another Lebron. People already forget


Not a chance man. James on another level.

How is this the worst thing that could have happened to the Celtics? Boston adding 2 all stars to a young core that went 7 with the best player in the world? And then James leaves the East? I will take that trade off everyday.

You already forgot

Leonard is just a tad below but younger and better defender

Haven't forgot anything. But Leonard is oft hurt. And James owned the Celtics. I will take that deal.

Leonard has been recently injured. Not previously

Well Leonard owns the Celtics too. He has dominated against the Celts in the past

Lebron is the best player in the world. Kawhi is not. We are not certain if he's a top 5 player or a top 25 player at this point, given the knee issue.

If healthy, Kawhi is a first team all NBA talent. Toronto is hoping that he's healthy for a year.

I don't think Derozan is a huge loss for TOR, as he makes a lot of money and is the 2nd/3rd best player on a championship team.

I think this gives TOR one year to go all in and see if they can win. Otherwise, Kawhi bounces and Kyle Lowry is getting old. Very small window here for TOR.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 10:01:04 AM
I don't see how you could see it as anything other than good for the Lakers...Send Kawhi to a team that he probably won't stay at long term, see how healthy he is, and give up none of your young players/picks.

If it works out that way...Lakers are the big winners today.

Again not necessarily

Raptors dont have to totally risk this. Leonard could be traded by deadline

My bet is for Shai Alexandre plus tobias harris etc
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 10:02:14 AM
Or for Kuzma ...if Lakers finally cave in
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: LakersFan_33 on July 18, 2018, 10:04:49 AM
Or for Kuzma ...if Lakers finally cave in

It might be a consideration, but you would be talking about a 3 month rental, if they knew he was going there anyway.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: BitterJim on July 18, 2018, 10:04:51 AM
What hurts more: this or the IT trade?

I mean, DD didn’t want to leave Toronto either and he probably thought he’d make his legacy there. Sounds like he got blindsided by the trade too. For a guy who might not even stay beyond a year!
IT trade, DeRozen is still getting paid.

Staying in Boston wasn't gonna get IT paid
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Endless Paradise on July 18, 2018, 10:05:33 AM
Thoughts:
* Pop is just about done coaching in the NBA. Reports surfaced in the past few years that he was considering hanging it up by 2020 or so. Guess when DeRozan's contract expires? 2021. DeRozan's contract runs just about the length of time I'd wager Pop plans to continue coaching.
* So what if Pop is almost done coaching? Well, it's a safe bet that he's not looking forward to retiring in the midst of a rebuild. He clearly wants to go out coaching a competitive Spurs team, even if they're not going to be a true title contender.
* Pop has always presented himself as someone who thinks bigger than the game. He's got five rings, he's about to coach the Olympic team in 2020, his wife recently passed -- I don't think he's super adamant on coaching a title contender. He knows how hard it is to win in the league. I think he's more than content to leave the game coaching a respectable, playoff team.
* The Spurs likely had no interest in the Kyrie and draft pick trade because of Kyrie's injury issues and flight risk after the season that Kawhi posed.
* This Raptors trade, while initially baffling from the Spurs perspective, makes sense: it satisfies the short term goal of remaining competitive in Pop's final years of coaching, while also netting them some things to look forward to in the post-Pop years in draft picks and Poeltl. This explains those reports that the Spurs weren't super keen on trade packages centered around draft picks and young, unproven prospects like Fultz.
* This is an absolute win for Toronto. They won 59 games last year on the strength of a revamped offense and great depth. They upgrade from a lower-tier star in DeRozan to a top 5 (when healthy), 2-time DPOY, and Finals MVP in Kawhi, add a veteran 3-and-D wing in Green, keep their vaunted depth, AND elevate the reported architect behind their offense to head coach -- all at the cost of a productive-yet-expendable bench big and a protected first rounder.
* Even if they end up losing Kawhi... this season was already projected to be the Raptors' last all-in shot with this core. Lowry and Ibaka's contracts expire in 2019 and Valanciunas can opt out next season, but let's assume he opts in because he thinks he won't recoup that money in free agency. That means in 2019, the Raptors would've lost 3/4ths of their core players with DeRozan being the only guy remaining.
* In 2019, they'd likely either have to seek out another star player to pair with a 30-year-old DeRozan or start preparing to trade him in summer 2020 as a 31-year-old making $28 million despite poor defense and no 3-point game.
* If the Raptors were likely already going to be staring down a rebuild following this season, I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'd rather do that without DeRozan's contract on the books. This trade allows them to immensely raise their ceiling in the short term while making an eventual rebuild much less messier from a financial standpoint.
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Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 10:07:05 AM
Speaking about the match ups...

Brown on Leonard

Hayward on Green

Think that is best option.
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Post by: greece66 on July 18, 2018, 10:09:18 AM
I thought it was time for SAS to forget the playoffs and focus on young player development. And I didn't think DeRozan would be a good fit with their playing style.


Their FO obv thinks otherwise, and I'll take their assesment over mine. Still curious to see how they will use DeRozan and how they will handle it if they stay out of the playoffs.
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Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 10:10:12 AM
What hurts more: this or the IT trade?

I mean, DD didn’t want to leave Toronto either and he probably thought he’d make his legacy there. Sounds like he got blindsided by the trade too. For a guy who might not even stay beyond a year!
IT trade, DeRozen is still getting paid.

Staying in Boston wasn't gonna get IT paid

Could have given him a better chance.  The Cleveland experience hurt him big time.  He looked bad, fought with teammates, and was dumped, whereupon he decided to sit out the rest of the year.  In Boston he’d probably have looked a little better and certainly wouldn’t have fought with teammates, and might have handled his rest and recovery in a way that made him more marketable, or at least resignabke by the C’s.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: footey on July 18, 2018, 10:10:55 AM
Or for Kuzma ...if Lakers finally cave in

Vegas odds on Lakers winning have not dropped since it is expected that KL will not want to stay in Toronto, and that they will flip him at trade deadline to Lakers. Who knows.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: CF033 on July 18, 2018, 10:18:14 AM
If Kawhi stays in Toronto for more than one year I will be shocked. SO HAPPY he didn't land here. I think there is a good chance he winds up in LA as a FA after his year with Toronto is over and LA can keep their young guys in the process.

Long term this is looking good for LA IMO.
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Post by: johnnygreen on July 18, 2018, 10:19:30 AM
Obviously, there is nothing that Danny can do to help offset the Kawhi trade for Toronto. But does Danny make a move this offseason knowing who the top competition in the East is now? Understandably, the goal is to win the title and not just the East.
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Post by: LakersFan_33 on July 18, 2018, 10:23:37 AM
I thought it was time for SAS to forget the playoffs and focus on young player development. And I didn't think DeRozan would be a good fit with their playing style.


Their FO obv thinks otherwise, and I'll take their assesment over mine. Still curious to see how they will use DeRozan and how they will handle it if they stay out of the playoffs.

and why is that?
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: konkmv on July 18, 2018, 10:24:56 AM
Masai will be fired next summer
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 10:33:02 AM
I thought it was time for SAS to forget the playoffs and focus on young player development. And I didn't think DeRozan would be a good fit with their playing style.


Their FO obv thinks otherwise, and I'll take their assesment over mine. Still curious to see how they will use DeRozan and how they will handle it if they stay out of the playoffs.

and why is that?

can't shoot.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 10:35:20 AM
Masai will be fired next summer

maybe or maybe not

Raps worst case, clear money. Maybe they have a few 2019 FAs in mind

As well what are the chance Leonard sits out again?  he not only will forfeit his salary but could be black listed around the league

He has to play.

Raptors can (and good chance) will trade him by deadline and recoup assets at the end of the day
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Post by: greece66 on July 18, 2018, 10:40:44 AM
I thought it was time for SAS to forget the playoffs and focus on young player development. And I didn't think DeRozan would be a good fit with their playing style.


Their FO obv thinks otherwise, and I'll take their assesment over mine. Still curious to see how they will use DeRozan and how they will handle it if they stay out of the playoffs.

and why is that?


Not creating for teammates.







Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: JBcat on July 18, 2018, 10:42:42 AM
Pick is protected 1-20 and becomes a second rounder after this year. No way they lose a lottery pick.

Dang no one was offering ANYTHING for Kawhi.

Correct. Think everyone got the sense he was not resigning or might be more injured than expected. Even Philly could have done better than that. Boston could have easily gotten him for Brown and the Kings pick IMO

You need to match salaries, and given our salary structure it wouldn’t have been an easy fit. 
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Post by: BitterJim on July 18, 2018, 10:43:27 AM
I thought it was time for SAS to forget the playoffs and focus on young player development. And I didn't think DeRozan would be a good fit with their playing style.


Their FO obv thinks otherwise, and I'll take their assesment over mine. Still curious to see how they will use DeRozan and how they will handle it if they stay out of the playoffs.

and why is that?

can't shoot.

Demar Derozan can't shoot? He's doesn't have 3 point range, but he's one of the best (if not the best) mid range shooters/scorers in the league
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Post by: greece66 on July 18, 2018, 10:44:23 AM
I thought it was time for SAS to forget the playoffs and focus on young player development. And I didn't think DeRozan would be a good fit with their playing style.


Their FO obv thinks otherwise, and I'll take their assesment over mine. Still curious to see how they will use DeRozan and how they will handle it if they stay out of the playoffs.

and why is that?

can't shoot.


I was thinking of adding that too to my reply to LakersFan_33. Lack of 3-pointer is more of a team thing than sthg I would blame on an individual that's why I left it out, but sure with Leonard and Green gone, SAS best (arguably: the only) threepointer is Belinelli.


Just for context, I'm fully aware that Popovich relied heavily on isos in the 90s.
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Post by: Endless Paradise on July 18, 2018, 10:45:48 AM
Masai will be fired next summer

... because he makes the rebuild they were already staring down next summer much more painless?
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Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 10:56:30 AM
I don't see Masai getting fired over this. He'll get at least two years to work on a rebuild before he's on the hot seat.
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Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 10:56:44 AM
I thought it was time for SAS to forget the playoffs and focus on young player development. And I didn't think DeRozan would be a good fit with their playing style.


Their FO obv thinks otherwise, and I'll take their assesment over mine. Still curious to see how they will use DeRozan and how they will handle it if they stay out of the playoffs.

and why is that?

can't shoot.

Demar Derozan can't shoot? He's doesn't have 3 point range, but he's one of the best (if not the best) mid range shooters/scorers in the league

again you are just rehashing my pt

he can't shoot the 3, not a spot up shooter.  His bread and butter is scoring and short mid range jump shots (twisting his body etc).  He also needs the ball in his hands alot.  Spurs on the other hand are built on passing
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Post by: bdm860 on July 18, 2018, 10:57:55 AM
Good move by the Spurs.  Get an All-NBA player under contract for 2-3 years (year 3 is a player option) and prospect in Poeltl who showed decent progress between his first and second year.  A good haul considering it was a buyers market for Kawhi.

Great move by the Raptors.  Get the best player in the deal and it gives them a clearer direction.  They get to compete for a championship this year, and if Kawhi walks then they rebuild, something people thought they should do anyway after another disappointing playoffs.  They get to compete for a championship and/or rebuild, they're no longer stuck on that good-but-not-good-enough treadmill.
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Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 10:59:48 AM
I don't see Masai getting fired over this. He'll get at least two years to work on a rebuild before he's on the hot seat.

doubt it even then

Toronto loves the Raptors. As long as the team makes the playoffs and entertainment factor is there (Drake etc).  He will stay

But he is not taking adv of this and trying to be proactive. 

Ultimately its either get Leonard on board and have him sign an extension.  Or trade for Shai Alexandre (local boy) or other young future assets.  And if he has been looking to trade Derozan in the right opportunity. This is a win win situation for him
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Post by: td450 on July 18, 2018, 11:03:21 AM
What hurts more: this or the IT trade?

I mean, DD didn’t want to leave Toronto either and he probably thought he’d make his legacy there. Sounds like he got blindsided by the trade too. For a guy who might not even stay beyond a year!
IT trade, DeRozen is still getting paid.

Staying in Boston wasn't gonna get IT paid

Could have given him a better chance.  The Cleveland experience hurt him big time.  He looked bad, fought with teammates, and was dumped, whereupon he decided to sit out the rest of the year.  In Boston he’d probably have looked a little better and certainly wouldn’t have fought with teammates, and might have handled his rest and recovery in a way that made him more marketable, or at least resignabke by the C’s.

IT was in Boston for only 2 1/4 years. Ainge didn't just make a decision about IT. The entire C's ownership and management team rightly decided that the whole scrappy IT, AB and Crowder thing wasn't going to get us over the top under any circumstances. The idea that the franchise owed IT a commitment that would have doomed the franchise is crazy. If we owed any loyalty to a player, it was Avery Bradley, not IT.

Its unfortunate that this transition corresponded with IT's injury. It is possible that there was a window where IT could have managed his injury and returned to his high level of play. The more likely scenario is that he was going to continue to decline regardless. He's 5'8 and his athleticism has to be razor sharp for him to play at this level.

Either way, we had a plan and there is no scenario where IT was going to be part of it.





Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: JHTruth on July 18, 2018, 11:03:51 AM
Obviously, there is nothing that Danny can do to help offset the Kawhi trade for Toronto. But does Danny make a move this offseason knowing who the top competition in the East is now? Understandably, the goal is to win the title and not just the East.

No need. KL isn't going to be going all out for the Raps. He's a 1-year rental who sat out all of last year. He'll just be playing to boost his stats for next summer..
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Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 11:04:50 AM
Did you watch how the Spurs ran their offense this past year?

If Pop has shown anything, its that he's very flexible to changing his scheme to fit his talent. Aldridge got plenty of mid range and post touches last year. I'm sure they'll build on DeRozen's improved playmaking and ball-movement of last year and work to build a functional offense.

I think they'll still be looking at a 6, 7, 8 seed myself, but they'll be a solid team again.
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Post by: JHTruth on July 18, 2018, 11:06:11 AM
There is no doubt that Danny could have beaten that offer if he really wanted to.
Jaylen Brown + expiring contracts would have beaten out this deal easily.

Danny would have been ravaged, and rightfully so, for trading Jaylen for a 1-year rental that sat out the previous year lol
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Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on July 18, 2018, 11:07:14 AM
Love the move for Toronto.

Clearly improved the team, and if Kawhi doesn't stay, they can then proceed to blowing it up, which they should be doing to begin with.

Plus, they can now have the option to trade Kawhi to an LA team if they want too, get assets to help the rebuild.

And basically all it costed is an All-Star that we don't know for sure he can carry a team to the Finals.

Great trade.
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Post by: CelticsElite on July 18, 2018, 11:10:35 AM
There is no doubt that Danny could have beaten that offer if he really wanted to.
Jaylen Brown + expiring contracts would have beaten out this deal easily.

Danny would have been ravaged, and rightfully so, for trading Jaylen for a 1-year rental that sat out the previous year lol
not only that, but kawhi didn’t want to play for Boston.
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Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 11:11:20 AM
There is no doubt that Danny could have beaten that offer if he really wanted to.
Jaylen Brown + expiring contracts would have beaten out this deal easily.

Danny would have been ravaged, and rightfully so, for trading Jaylen for a 1-year rental that sat out the previous year lol
Indeed, Danny had no desire to move any of the "good stuff" as Zach Lowe put it once it became clear the Kawhi wanted no part of Boston.

Similar to the Kyrie trade, we weren't going to move Jaylen or the Sacramento pick unless we heard good things from the player's camp.
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Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 11:11:54 AM
Did you watch how the Spurs ran their offense this past year?

If Pop has shown anything, its that he's very flexible to changing his scheme to fit his talent. Aldridge got plenty of mid range and post touches last year. I'm sure they'll build on DeRozen's improved playmaking and ball-movement of last year and work to build a functional offense.

I think they'll still be looking at a 6, 7, 8 seed myself, but they'll be a solid team again.

where was this in the playoffs?

he resorted to his bad old habits. Also is not a strong defender

fit wise it is not the best. I agree with Greece666. 

But the best asset they could get in return for Leonard

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Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 11:13:08 AM
Love the move for Toronto.

Clearly improved the team, and if Kawhi doesn't stay, they can then proceed to blowing it up, which they should be doing to begin with.

Plus, they can now have the option to trade Kawhi to an LA team if they want too, get assets to help the rebuild.

And basically all it costed is an All-Star that we don't know for sure he can carry a team to the Finals.

Great trade.

agreed

It was the same story for the raptors 5 years straight.  Great regular season followed by disappointing playoff exits

A change one way or the other was in order
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Post by: kraidstar on July 18, 2018, 11:20:17 AM
Love this move for the Raps. Got rid of one of their 2 albatross contracts, upgrading their roster in the process.

Toronto is a really nice city. And it's not crazy to think Kawhi will like it there once he gets acquainted. He'll also have nice marketing possibilities, as the Raptors are Canada's only team.
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Post by: droopdog7 on July 18, 2018, 11:21:19 AM
People keep referring to Kawhi as a one-year rental.  There's some flight risk, sure.  But I would bet that he'll resign unless things go really badly.  And as has been said, if he doesn't, the raptors can start over more or less (which isn't the worst thing).
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Post by: JHTruth on July 18, 2018, 11:26:02 AM
People keep referring to Kawhi as a one-year rental.  There's some flight risk, sure.  But I would bet that he'll resign unless things go really badly.  And as has been said, if he doesn't, the raptors can start over more or less (which isn't the worst thing).

I think we know he's a 1-year rental because A) that seems to be the impression of GM's everywhere. and B) That seems to be what he's telling everyone.

If he wasn't Danny would have traded for him already.
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Post by: droopdog7 on July 18, 2018, 11:28:35 AM
People keep referring to Kawhi as a one-year rental.  There's some flight risk, sure.  But I would bet that he'll resign unless things go really badly.  And as has been said, if he doesn't, the raptors can start over more or less (which isn't the worst thing).

I think we know he's a 1-year rental because A) that seems to be the impression of GM's everywhere. and B) That seems to be what he's telling everyone.

If he wasn't Danny would have traded for him already.
Sounds like Paul George all over again.

http://thesportsquotient.com/nba/2017/6/19/paul-george-will-be-a-rental-for-the-2017-18-season
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Post by: jpotter33 on July 18, 2018, 11:33:04 AM
Boston finishes first in the East...Philly and Raps have to play each other in the second round. Sets up nicely for the Celtics.

Jumping the gun there, Orlando.

Exactly. Worst thing that could happen to Celts happened.

Leonard is like another Lebron. People already forget


Not a chance man. James on another level.

How is this the worst thing that could have happened to the Celtics? Boston adding 2 all stars to a young core that went 7 with the best player in the world? And then James leaves the East? I will take that trade off everyday.

You already forgot

Leonard is just a tad below but younger and better defender

This is crazy talk. Leonard is definitely a better shooter and defender than Lebron, but Lebron is a much better player in every other aspect than Leonard, especially offensively. What makes Lebron so good offensively is his versatility, which Leonard just can’t compete with offensively. Also, Lebron never had this injury concern that Leonard is dealing with.

Leonard is definitely All-NBA talent, but I’ve long thought that he’s been significantly overrated. I still view him best fit as a complementary star or a 1B option.

Toronto is definitely a better two-way team now, but they will miss Derozan’s playmaking and scoring. Boston and Toronto are clearly the two top teams in the East now, but we’re still the definitive favorites, especially with Leonard’s injury uncertainty.
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Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 11:38:22 AM
Boston finishes first in the East...Philly and Raps have to play each other in the second round. Sets up nicely for the Celtics.

Jumping the gun there, Orlando.

Exactly. Worst thing that could happen to Celts happened.

Leonard is like another Lebron. People already forget


Not a chance man. James on another level.

How is this the worst thing that could have happened to the Celtics? Boston adding 2 all stars to a young core that went 7 with the best player in the world? And then James leaves the East? I will take that trade off everyday.

You already forgot

Leonard is just a tad below but younger and better defender

This is crazy talk. Leonard is definitely a better shooter and defender than Lebron, but Lebron is a much better player in every other aspect than Leonard, especially offensively. What makes Lebron so good offensively is his versatility, which Leonard just can’t compete with offensively. Also, Lebron never had this injury concern that Leonard is dealing with.

Leonard is definitely All-NBA talent, but I’ve long thought that he’s been significantly overrated. I still view him best fit as a complementary star or a 1B option.

Toronto is definitely a better two-way team now, but they will miss Derozan’s playmaking and scoring. Boston and Toronto are clearly the two top teams in the East now, but we’re still the definitive favorites, especially with Leonard’s injury uncertainty.

what playmaking? the guy ultimately is a hog... watch him during 2nd halfs and see how many times he passes the ball

Also you forget that with Leonard , the Spurs were dominating the GSW in the playoffs 2 seasons ago ....and when he went down with injuries, Spurs had no chance

Unlike Lebron, Leonard can shut down Durant (or slow him down alot).

Lebron is a versatile offensive player for sure. But also has faults in his game and is also a drama queen. 
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: JHTruth on July 18, 2018, 11:38:27 AM
People keep referring to Kawhi as a one-year rental.  There's some flight risk, sure.  But I would bet that he'll resign unless things go really badly.  And as has been said, if he doesn't, the raptors can start over more or less (which isn't the worst thing).

I think we know he's a 1-year rental because A) that seems to be the impression of GM's everywhere. and B) That seems to be what he's telling everyone.

If he wasn't Danny would have traded for him already.
Sounds like Paul George all over again.

http://thesportsquotient.com/nba/2017/6/19/paul-george-will-be-a-rental-for-the-2017-18-season

Well I for one am glad we didn't trade Oladipo for a guy who hasn't really helped at all..
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Post by: JHTruth on July 18, 2018, 11:54:26 AM
One thing I'll say, the Raps GM is a cold-hearted SOB.  8)
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Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 11:55:37 AM
jpotter, Kawhi is a much better scorer than DeRozan though. I'll concede the play-making aspect, but given his ability to play in ball movement system even as a bit of a pound the ball and make a move scorer should be something they can adjust to.

Not like DeRozan was a natural playmaker either.
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Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 12:00:28 PM
One thing I'll say, the Raps GM is a cold-hearted SOB.  8)

seriously. Danny Jr.

Apparently he tried hard to keep Demar (Extension). Remember the rumors how the Lakers were in on trying to sign Demar (hometown).  And after a few seasons, see you later

That must have been one awkward phone call last night
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Post by: Sophomore on July 18, 2018, 12:02:20 PM
Well, there's definitely going to be a challenge for us in Toronto.

People keep dumping on the East, but to me, Toronto, Boston, Philly, Indiana, Milwaukee stack up pretty well against GSW, Houston, OK City, LA, Utah. Golden State is a cut above until somebody beats them, but does anybody think Houston vs. Toronto or Boston is a walkover? OKC vs. Philly or Indiana? I don't.
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Post by: greece66 on July 18, 2018, 12:05:02 PM
Well, there's definitely going to be a challenge for us in Toronto.

People keep dumping on the East, but to me, Toronto, Boston, Philly, Indiana, Milwaukee stack up pretty well against GSW, Houston, OK City, LA, Utah. Golden State is a cut above until somebody beats them, but does anybody think Houston vs. Toronto or Boston is a walkover? OKC vs. Philly or Indiana? I don't.


Totally agree. I never got the argument that the WC is better than the EC just because it attracts more stars.
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Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 12:08:53 PM
Well, there's definitely going to be a challenge for us in Toronto.

People keep dumping on the East, but to me, Toronto, Boston, Philly, Indiana, Milwaukee stack up pretty well against GSW, Houston, OK City, LA, Utah. Golden State is a cut above until somebody beats them, but does anybody think Houston vs. Toronto or Boston is a walkover? OKC vs. Philly or Indiana? I don't.

Totally agree. I never got the argument that the WC is better than the EC just because it attracts more stars.


exactly. once upon a time yes

but not now

GSW
Celtics
76ers/Rockets
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Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 12:13:03 PM
If Leonard was not a rental he would be a Celtic already.
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Post by: hpantazo on July 18, 2018, 12:32:19 PM
Well, there's definitely going to be a challenge for us in Toronto.

People keep dumping on the East, but to me, Toronto, Boston, Philly, Indiana, Milwaukee stack up pretty well against GSW, Houston, OK City, LA, Utah. Golden State is a cut above until somebody beats them, but does anybody think Houston vs. Toronto or Boston is a walkover? OKC vs. Philly or Indiana? I don't.

Totally agree. I never got the argument that the WC is better than the EC just because it attracts more stars.


exactly. once upon a time yes

but not now

GSW
Celtics
76ers/Rockets

That’s a bit high for the Sixers. We practically swept them without Kyrie and Hayward, and if anything, they got worse this offseason.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 18, 2018, 12:33:07 PM
Well, there's definitely going to be a challenge for us in Toronto.

People keep dumping on the East, but to me, Toronto, Boston, Philly, Indiana, Milwaukee stack up pretty well against GSW, Houston, OK City, LA, Utah. Golden State is a cut above until somebody beats them, but does anybody think Houston vs. Toronto or Boston is a walkover? OKC vs. Philly or Indiana? I don't.

Totally agree. I never got the argument that the WC is better than the EC just because it attracts more stars.


exactly. once upon a time yes

but not now

GSW
Celtics
76ers/Rockets

GSW > Boston (until Boston proves otherwise this year)
Hou = Philly
LA = Tor
NOP = Mil
OKC = Was
UTA = Ind

After that, the Western conference is probably better than the East, with Portland, Minnesota, Denver, LAC, Dallas, Memphis, and the Suns being better than Detroit, Heat, Hornets, Bulls, and bottom dwellers.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 12:40:02 PM
Well, there's definitely going to be a challenge for us in Toronto.

People keep dumping on the East, but to me, Toronto, Boston, Philly, Indiana, Milwaukee stack up pretty well against GSW, Houston, OK City, LA, Utah. Golden State is a cut above until somebody beats them, but does anybody think Houston vs. Toronto or Boston is a walkover? OKC vs. Philly or Indiana? I don't.

Totally agree. I never got the argument that the WC is better than the EC just because it attracts more stars.


exactly. once upon a time yes

but not now

GSW
Celtics
76ers/Rockets

That’s a bit high for the Sixers. We practically swept them without Kyrie and Hayward, and if anything, they got worse this offseason.

How did they get worst? Everybody is back

They also got a nice prospect with 10th pick
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: hpantazo on July 18, 2018, 12:44:24 PM
Well, there's definitely going to be a challenge for us in Toronto.

People keep dumping on the East, but to me, Toronto, Boston, Philly, Indiana, Milwaukee stack up pretty well against GSW, Houston, OK City, LA, Utah. Golden State is a cut above until somebody beats them, but does anybody think Houston vs. Toronto or Boston is a walkover? OKC vs. Philly or Indiana? I don't.

Totally agree. I never got the argument that the WC is better than the EC just because it attracts more stars.


exactly. once upon a time yes

but not now

GSW
Celtics
76ers/Rockets

That’s a bit high for the Sixers. We practically swept them without Kyrie and Hayward, and if anything, they got worse this offseason.

How did they get worst? Everybody is back

They also got a nice prospect with 10th pick

They lost two of their best outside shooting vets, Ilyasova and Belinelli. They were mediocre last year until those two guys joined the team
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: green_bballers13 on July 18, 2018, 12:44:43 PM
Well, there's definitely going to be a challenge for us in Toronto.

People keep dumping on the East, but to me, Toronto, Boston, Philly, Indiana, Milwaukee stack up pretty well against GSW, Houston, OK City, LA, Utah. Golden State is a cut above until somebody beats them, but does anybody think Houston vs. Toronto or Boston is a walkover? OKC vs. Philly or Indiana? I don't.

Totally agree. I never got the argument that the WC is better than the EC just because it attracts more stars.


exactly. once upon a time yes

but not now

GSW
Celtics
76ers/Rockets

That’s a bit high for the Sixers. We practically swept them without Kyrie and Hayward, and if anything, they got worse this offseason.

How did they get worst? Everybody is back

They also got a nice prospect with 10th pick

I think they got worse from a competitive standpoint, because the Celtics, Warriors, and now Lakers improved. HOU has also gotten worse, from this perspective.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: hpantazo on July 18, 2018, 12:56:36 PM
Well, there's definitely going to be a challenge for us in Toronto.

People keep dumping on the East, but to me, Toronto, Boston, Philly, Indiana, Milwaukee stack up pretty well against GSW, Houston, OK City, LA, Utah. Golden State is a cut above until somebody beats them, but does anybody think Houston vs. Toronto or Boston is a walkover? OKC vs. Philly or Indiana? I don't.

Totally agree. I never got the argument that the WC is better than the EC just because it attracts more stars.


exactly. once upon a time yes

but not now

GSW
Celtics
76ers/Rockets

That’s a bit high for the Sixers. We practically swept them without Kyrie and Hayward, and if anything, they got worse this offseason.

How did they get worst? Everybody is back

They also got a nice prospect with 10th pick

I think they got worse from a competitive standpoint, because the Celtics, Warriors, and now Lakers improved. HOU has also gotten worse, from this perspective.

Yep. Raptors and Wizards improved too. And Houston also lost a few key rotation guys.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Moranis on July 18, 2018, 01:10:10 PM
Well, there's definitely going to be a challenge for us in Toronto.

People keep dumping on the East, but to me, Toronto, Boston, Philly, Indiana, Milwaukee stack up pretty well against GSW, Houston, OK City, LA, Utah. Golden State is a cut above until somebody beats them, but does anybody think Houston vs. Toronto or Boston is a walkover? OKC vs. Philly or Indiana? I don't.
The West is significantly better and deeper than the East. 
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: jpotter33 on July 18, 2018, 01:10:45 PM
jpotter, Kawhi is a much better scorer than DeRozan though.

I really don’t see this argument at all. Derozan has been a much more consistent scorer over his career than Leonard, and I see Derozan as a clearly more gifted pure scorer than Leonard, even if Leonard is the better shooter.

I mean, hell, Leonard has not once been able to outscore Derozan over the course of a full season.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: JHTruth on July 18, 2018, 01:13:19 PM
LULZ..

Sources tell SN's @SeanDeveney Kawhi Leonard has "no interest" in the Raptors and could sit out. https://readsn.com/2Nomlo6

Why would any C's fan want this weirdo at this point
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: jpotter33 on July 18, 2018, 01:13:21 PM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600

Ouch.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 18, 2018, 01:14:00 PM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600

Ouch.

What's it say?
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: JHTruth on July 18, 2018, 01:14:41 PM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600

Ouch.

What's it say?

Kawhi might sit out another year. "No interest" in Raps..
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: greece66 on July 18, 2018, 01:15:45 PM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600 (http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600)

Ouch.

What's it say?


that "if necessary" Leonard could sit out the entire next season. I've seen this rumour in other tweets too, so jpotter did well to post it, but IMO this is extremely unlikely to happen.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: JHTruth on July 18, 2018, 01:16:50 PM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600 (http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600)

Ouch.

What's it say?


that "if necessary" Leonard could sit out the entire next season. I've seen this rumour in other tweets too, so jpotter did well to post it, but IMO this is extremely unlikely to happen.

Dude just sat out the year on Pop, no doubt he would on the Raps.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 18, 2018, 01:20:16 PM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600 (http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600)

Ouch.

What's it say?


that "if necessary" Leonard could sit out the entire next season. I've seen this rumour in other tweets too, so jpotter did well to post it, but IMO this is extremely unlikely to happen.

Dude just sat out the year on Pop, no doubt he would on the Raps.

Wow.

In fairness, maybe the Raptors think Ingram, Kuzma, and Deng are better than DeRozan and Poetl.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: jpotter33 on July 18, 2018, 01:20:49 PM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600 (http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600)

Ouch.

What's it say?


that "if necessary" Leonard could sit out the entire next season. I've seen this rumour in other tweets too, so jpotter did well to post it, but IMO this is extremely unlikely to happen.

I don’t think sitting out the entire year will happen either, as that could kill his market, but I also wouldn’t put it past him to play games with Toronto like he did with SAS. I could see an injury keeping him out for an extended period of time and him threatening to sit out indefinitely.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: hpantazo on July 18, 2018, 01:21:37 PM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600

Ouch.

What's it say?

Kawhi might sit out another year. "No interest" in Raps..


That's a breach of contract. Raptors and/or the league should take legal action. This is getting a bit out of control, players can't just refuse to play and still get paid.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 01:22:18 PM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600

Ouch.

What's it say?

Kawhi might sit out another year. "No interest" in Raps..


That's a breach of contract. Raptors and/or the league should take legal action. This is getting a bit out of control, players can't just refuse to play and still get paid.
No need to sue, every missed practice/game carries a fine. His whole salary would be forfeit quickly.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Phantom255x on July 18, 2018, 01:24:02 PM
Yeah I've officially soured on Kawhi. "No desire to play for TOR"  ::)

The league seriously needs to do something about it if he does threaten to not play this season for TOR. Maybe even void his FA and delay it for another year or two.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Vermont Green on July 18, 2018, 01:25:15 PM
What are the rules on trading a player again after you just traded for him?  Can they just flip him to LAL or someone if they can work it out?

This deal has to be contingent on a physical at least.  If Leonard does not show up for the physical, then the deal would be off.  Maybe that is how Toronto gets out of this.

In terms of Leonard, isn't the smart thing to do is play where ever, play well, and then go where you want to when you are a UFA?  I don't get his strategy at all.  It is not clear what he wants.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: greece66 on July 18, 2018, 01:28:24 PM
What are the rules on trading a player again after you just traded for him?  Can they just flip him to LAL or someone if they can work it out?

This deal has to be contingent on a physical at least.  If Leonard does not show up for the physical, then the deal would be off.  Maybe that is how Toronto gets out of this.

In terms of Leonard, isn't the smart thing to do is play where ever, play well, and then go where you want to when you are a UFA?  I don't get his strategy at all.  It is not clear what he wants.


They have not traded for him yet though. ofc the deal is contingent on physicals.


Lowe already twitted that Leonard's fines would start already in the preseason. https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1019557353451147266
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: BackDoorCut on July 18, 2018, 01:30:32 PM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600

Ouch.

What's it say?

Kawhi might sit out another year. "No interest" in Raps..


That's a breach of contract. Raptors and/or the league should take legal action. This is getting a bit out of control, players can't just refuse to play and still get paid.
No need to sue, every missed practice/game carries a fine. His whole salary would be forfeit quickly.

I would sue for foregone revenue. Bankrupt the quitter.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 01:30:49 PM
What are the rules on trading a player again after you just traded for him?  Can they just flip him to LAL or someone if they can work it out?

This deal has to be contingent on a physical at least.  If Leonard does not show up for the physical, then the deal would be off.  Maybe that is how Toronto gets out of this.

In terms of Leonard, isn't the smart thing to do is play where ever, play well, and then go where you want to when you are a UFA?  I don't get his strategy at all.  It is not clear what he wants.
He cannot be aggregated with other salaries for purposes of a trade for 2 months. He may be traded by himself immediately.

Toronto can also cancel the trade or demand a rework to waive the physical if Kawhi refuses to report for it. They can also just waive it and be secure that Kawhi has to show up eventually or he gives up 20 million and a year of service. Thus he wouldn't be a FA if he doesn't show up and play.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 01:30:57 PM
What are the rules on trading a player again after you just traded for him?  Can they just flip him to LAL or someone if they can work it out?

This deal has to be contingent on a physical at least.  If Leonard does not show up for the physical, then the deal would be off.  Maybe that is how Toronto gets out of this.

In terms of Leonard, isn't the smart thing to do is play where ever, play well, and then go where you want to when you are a UFA?  I don't get his strategy at all.  It is not clear what he wants.


They have not traded for him yet though. ofc the deal is contingent on physicals.


Lowe already twitted that Leonard's fines would start already in the preseason. https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1019557353451147266

It gets even nastier if Kawhi doesn’t show up for the physical, of course.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 01:31:50 PM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600

Ouch.

What's it say?

Kawhi might sit out another year. "No interest" in Raps..


That's a breach of contract. Raptors and/or the league should take legal action. This is getting a bit out of control, players can't just refuse to play and still get paid.
No need to sue, every missed practice/game carries a fine. His whole salary would be forfeit quickly.

I would sue for foregone revenue. Bankrupt the quitter.
That's unlikely to occur and also probably not a suit they could win. Not to mention might be prohibited by the CBA.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 18, 2018, 01:32:25 PM
Quote
Kawhi Leonard is obligated by Sec 10(c) of his contract to report to Raptors within one week. If doesn’t, w/o reasonable excuse, he’d be subject to discipline by (i) Raptors (or, if trade voided, Spurs) and (ii) NBA, for conduct prejudicial to NBA under Art 35(d) of Constitution.

https://twitter.com/albertnahmad/status/1019572260196188160?s=21
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: RMO on July 18, 2018, 01:34:48 PM
Toronto in a tough spot with Derozen if this trade gets voided.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: CelticsElite on July 18, 2018, 01:35:03 PM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600

Ouch.
Would
What's it say?

Kawhi might sit out another year. "No interest" in Raps..


That's a breach of contract. Raptors and/or the league should take legal action. This is getting a bit out of control, players can't just refuse to play and still get paid.
he can fake injury. No legal action can ever prove he isn’t hurt
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: celticsclay on July 18, 2018, 01:35:27 PM
Well, there's definitely going to be a challenge for us in Toronto.

People keep dumping on the East, but to me, Toronto, Boston, Philly, Indiana, Milwaukee stack up pretty well against GSW, Houston, OK City, LA, Utah. Golden State is a cut above until somebody beats them, but does anybody think Houston vs. Toronto or Boston is a walkover? OKC vs. Philly or Indiana? I don't.

Totally agree. I never got the argument that the WC is better than the EC just because it attracts more stars.


exactly. once upon a time yes

but not now

GSW
Celtics
76ers/Rockets

That’s a bit high for the Sixers. We practically swept them without Kyrie and Hayward, and if anything, they got worse this offseason.

How did they get worst? Everybody is back

They also got a nice prospect with 10th pick

They actually lost two key bench players (Illyasova and Bellinelli) who did help them in the regular season. Then their replacement for Illyasova reneged on a deal for them and went over to europe. Their rookie is a very nice prospect that could be awesome, but is also very raw and not expected to play a ton this year. So they could be a bit worse than last year, but maybe the same cause of growth from simmons and fultz. However, to put them in the same category as houston is absolutely ridiculous. Houston has twice as good title odds as the 76ers despite having to get through the warriors just to reach the finals.

I really thought after striking out on george, Lebron and Leonard the philly crazy stuff would settle down a bit on this board, but I was sadly mistaken.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 01:36:45 PM
LULZ..

Sources tell SN's @SeanDeveney Kawhi Leonard has "no interest" in the Raptors and could sit out. https://readsn.com/2Nomlo6

Why would any C's fan want this weirdo at this point

career suicide if he tries this again

best for him to play out this season at least

Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 18, 2018, 01:38:48 PM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600

Ouch.
Would
What's it say?

Kawhi might sit out another year. "No interest" in Raps..


That's a breach of contract. Raptors and/or the league should take legal action. This is getting a bit out of control, players can't just refuse to play and still get paid.
he can fake injury. No legal action can ever prove he isn’t hurt

Alonzo Mouring did something simular many years ago.   Never liked the guy since.   
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: KungPoweChicken on July 18, 2018, 01:40:28 PM
Leonard is a complete headcase.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 01:41:54 PM
Spurs organization a big sigh of relief...unless trade is rescinded for whatever reason

Raptors way of thinking "he can't sit out 2 seasons in a row, unless he wants to end his NBA career "
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: vjcsmoke on July 18, 2018, 01:42:02 PM
As long as Leonard doesn't go directly to the Lakers or Warriors, I'm ok with him moving.  I'm not sure how he's going to fit in with Toronto.  And I doubt he's going to stick around after 1 year there.  On paper Toronto improves for this year, but is it enough?
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 18, 2018, 01:43:16 PM
Well, there's definitely going to be a challenge for us in Toronto.

People keep dumping on the East, but to me, Toronto, Boston, Philly, Indiana, Milwaukee stack up pretty well against GSW, Houston, OK City, LA, Utah. Golden State is a cut above until somebody beats them, but does anybody think Houston vs. Toronto or Boston is a walkover? OKC vs. Philly or Indiana? I don't.

Totally agree. I never got the argument that the WC is better than the EC just because it attracts more stars.


exactly. once upon a time yes

but not now

GSW
Celtics
76ers/Rockets

That’s a bit high for the Sixers. We practically swept them without Kyrie and Hayward, and if anything, they got worse this offseason.

How did they get worst? Everybody is back

They also got a nice prospect with 10th pick

they traded 10th pick for 16th pick and 2021 Miami 1st
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 01:43:22 PM
As long as Leonard doesn't go directly to the Lakers or Warriors, I'm ok with him moving.  I'm not sure how he's going to fit in with Toronto.  And I doubt he's going to stick around after 1 year there.  On paper Toronto improves for this year, but is it enough?

A healthy Leonard is dangerous

If Raptors had him last season (healthy),  he would have slowed down Lebron (possibly shut him down)

Possibly a different outcome
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 01:43:44 PM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600

Ouch.
Would
What's it say?

Kawhi might sit out another year. "No interest" in Raps..


That's a breach of contract. Raptors and/or the league should take legal action. This is getting a bit out of control, players can't just refuse to play and still get paid.
he can fake injury. No legal action can ever prove he isn’t hurt
Uh as someone who works for an insurance company, there are lots of legal examples to the contrary.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 01:44:28 PM
Well, there's definitely going to be a challenge for us in Toronto.

People keep dumping on the East, but to me, Toronto, Boston, Philly, Indiana, Milwaukee stack up pretty well against GSW, Houston, OK City, LA, Utah. Golden State is a cut above until somebody beats them, but does anybody think Houston vs. Toronto or Boston is a walkover? OKC vs. Philly or Indiana? I don't.

Totally agree. I never got the argument that the WC is better than the EC just because it attracts more stars.


exactly. once upon a time yes

but not now

GSW
Celtics
76ers/Rockets

That’s a bit high for the Sixers. We practically swept them without Kyrie and Hayward, and if anything, they got worse this offseason.

How did they get worst? Everybody is back

They also got a nice prospect with 10th pick

they traded 10th pick for 16th pick and 2021 Miami 1st

right right.  Still a decent pick as Smith was suppose to go higher
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: CelticsElite on July 18, 2018, 01:47:58 PM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600

Ouch.
how would you prob
Would
What's it say?

Kawhi might sit out another year. "No interest" in Raps..


That's a breach of contract. Raptors and/or the league should take legal action. This is getting a bit out of control, players can't just refuse to play and still get paid.
he can fake injury. No legal action can ever prove he isn’t hurt
Uh as someone who works for an insurance company, there are lots of legal examples to the contrary.
how would you prove his quad injury isn’t 100% healed and he isn’t feeling a pinch in the quad?
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: CelticsElite on July 18, 2018, 01:48:40 PM
Well, there's definitely going to be a challenge for us in Toronto.

People keep dumping on the East, but to me, Toronto, Boston, Philly, Indiana, Milwaukee stack up pretty well against GSW, Houston, OK City, LA, Utah. Golden State is a cut above until somebody beats them, but does anybody think Houston vs. Toronto or Boston is a walkover? OKC vs. Philly or Indiana? I don't.

Totally agree. I never got the argument that the WC is better than the EC just because it attracts more stars.


exactly. once upon a time yes

but not now

GSW
Celtics
76ers/Rockets

That’s a bit high for the Sixers. We practically swept them without Kyrie and Hayward, and if anything, they got worse this offseason.

How did they get worst? Everybody is back

They also got a nice prospect with 10th pick

they traded 10th pick for 16th pick and 2021 Miami 1st

right right.  Still a decent pick as Smith was suppose to go higher
smith is a poor mans Avery Bradley with a worse shot
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Fafnir on July 18, 2018, 01:50:10 PM
how would you prove his quad injury isn’t 100% healed and he isn’t feeling a pinch in the quad?
You take him to arbitration and have a third independent doctor weigh in as well as your own expert testimony.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 01:51:06 PM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600

Ouch.
how would you prob
Would
What's it say?

Kawhi might sit out another year. "No interest" in Raps..


That's a breach of contract. Raptors and/or the league should take legal action. This is getting a bit out of control, players can't just refuse to play and still get paid.
he can fake injury. No legal action can ever prove he isn’t hurt
Uh as someone who works for an insurance company, there are lots of legal examples to the contrary.
how would you prove his quad injury isn’t 100% healed and he isn’t feeling a pinch in the quad?

The legal standard for proof isn’t 100% for these things.  The CBA has a procedure that a third-party doctor examines him.  He can’t just say “I’m hurt.”
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: droopdog7 on July 18, 2018, 01:51:30 PM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600

Ouch.
how would you prob
Would
What's it say?

Kawhi might sit out another year. "No interest" in Raps..


That's a breach of contract. Raptors and/or the league should take legal action. This is getting a bit out of control, players can't just refuse to play and still get paid.
he can fake injury. No legal action can ever prove he isn’t hurt
Uh as someone who works for an insurance company, there are lots of legal examples to the contrary.
how would you prove his quad injury isn’t 100% healed and he isn’t feeling a pinch in the quad?
I imagine common sense has to prevail at some point?
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: greece66 on July 18, 2018, 01:52:33 PM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600 (http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600)

Ouch.
how would you prob
Would
What's it say?

Kawhi might sit out another year. "No interest" in Raps..


That's a breach of contract. Raptors and/or the league should take legal action. This is getting a bit out of control, players can't just refuse to play and still get paid.
he can fake injury. No legal action can ever prove he isn’t hurt
Uh as someone who works for an insurance company, there are lots of legal examples to the contrary.
how would you prove his quad injury isn’t 100% healed and he isn’t feeling a pinch in the quad?


First of all, leaving fines aside for a sec, he would hurt his own value enormously.


Secondly, I expect the burden of proof to swing from medical team proving he is not injured, to Leonard proving he is injured.


Unlike Fafnir, I have no clue about the legal details, but you would expect the NBA to have lots of aces up its sleeve to protect its product.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: td450 on July 18, 2018, 01:56:47 PM
Well, there's definitely going to be a challenge for us in Toronto.

People keep dumping on the East, but to me, Toronto, Boston, Philly, Indiana, Milwaukee stack up pretty well against GSW, Houston, OK City, LA, Utah. Golden State is a cut above until somebody beats them, but does anybody think Houston vs. Toronto or Boston is a walkover? OKC vs. Philly or Indiana? I don't.

Totally agree. I never got the argument that the WC is better than the EC just because it attracts more stars.


exactly. once upon a time yes

but not now

GSW
Celtics
76ers/Rockets

That’s a bit high for the Sixers. We practically swept them without Kyrie and Hayward, and if anything, they got worse this offseason.

How did they get worst? Everybody is back

They also got a nice prospect with 10th pick

They actually lost two key bench players (Illyasova and Bellinelli) who did help them in the regular season. Then their replacement for Illyasova reneged on a deal for them and went over to europe. Their rookie is a very nice prospect that could be awesome, but is also very raw and not expected to play a ton this year. So they could be a bit worse than last year, but maybe the same cause of growth from simmons and fultz. However, to put them in the same category as houston is absolutely ridiculous. Houston has twice as good title odds as the 76ers despite having to get through the warriors just to reach the finals.

I really thought after striking out on george, Lebron and Leonard the philly crazy stuff would settle down a bit on this board, but I was sadly mistaken.
Houston has not had a good summer. They were able to compete against GS so well because their defense was fantastic. They lost core defenders Trevor Ariza and Luc Mbah a Moute, and are considering filling that hole with Carmelo Anthony. Chris Paul and Nene got another year past their prime.

They will not have as good a team next year.
 
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 01:57:02 PM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600

Ouch.
how would you prob
Would
What's it say?

Kawhi might sit out another year. "No interest" in Raps..


That's a breach of contract. Raptors and/or the league should take legal action. This is getting a bit out of control, players can't just refuse to play and still get paid.
he can fake injury. No legal action can ever prove he isn’t hurt
Uh as someone who works for an insurance company, there are lots of legal examples to the contrary.
how would you prove his quad injury isn’t 100% healed and he isn’t feeling a pinch in the quad?

The legal standard for proof isn’t 100% for these things.  The CBA has a procedure that a third-party doctor examines him.  He can’t just say “I’m hurt.”

he could fake it still at the end of the day.  walk with a limp

And if he sits out again...  nobody is going to believe him again/not be trustworthy

The best thing Leonard can do (if he really wants out of Toronto) is keep to himself, play hard .... during the season don't engage in extension talks.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: footey on July 18, 2018, 01:59:34 PM
If Kawhi forces a re-trade to the Lakers, Silver should block it.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: GreenEnvy on July 18, 2018, 02:02:13 PM
As long as Leonard doesn't go directly to the Lakers or Warriors, I'm ok with him moving.  I'm not sure how he's going to fit in with Toronto.  And I doubt he's going to stick around after 1 year there.  On paper Toronto improves for this year, but is it enough?

A healthy Leonard is dangerous

If Raptors had him last season (healthy),  he would have slowed down Lebron (possibly shut him down)

Possibly a different outcome

That’s because that Cavs team was trash sans LeBron. So yeah, with Kawhi they probably beat them.

But who is he going to shut down on Boston? Tatum? Ok, time for Kyrie, Hayward, and Brown to light them up.


I personally am not entirely confident that Kawhi will be as successful anywhere as he was under Pop. He was in a more perfect scenario than he thought.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Birdman on July 18, 2018, 02:03:17 PM
If Kawhi forces a re-trade to the Lakers, Silver should block it.
i agree..chris paul deal was voided
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 18, 2018, 02:05:07 PM
If Kawhi forces a re-trade to the Lakers, Silver should block it.
i agree..chris paul deal was voided

For completely different reasons. There would be no reason for Silver to do so.

Players are getting more and more power in the NBA. Fans can't cite Stern's veto every time a player tries to exert his power.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: greece66 on July 18, 2018, 02:05:59 PM
Windhorst saying that the Raptors know that Leonard might not show up to the physical and that they actually consider waiving it. (wheres the popcorn emoji when you need it)


https://streamable.com/neflu
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: celticsclay on July 18, 2018, 02:07:13 PM
Well, there's definitely going to be a challenge for us in Toronto.

People keep dumping on the East, but to me, Toronto, Boston, Philly, Indiana, Milwaukee stack up pretty well against GSW, Houston, OK City, LA, Utah. Golden State is a cut above until somebody beats them, but does anybody think Houston vs. Toronto or Boston is a walkover? OKC vs. Philly or Indiana? I don't.

Totally agree. I never got the argument that the WC is better than the EC just because it attracts more stars.


exactly. once upon a time yes

but not now

GSW
Celtics
76ers/Rockets

That’s a bit high for the Sixers. We practically swept them without Kyrie and Hayward, and if anything, they got worse this offseason.

How did they get worst? Everybody is back

They also got a nice prospect with 10th pick

They actually lost two key bench players (Illyasova and Bellinelli) who did help them in the regular season. Then their replacement for Illyasova reneged on a deal for them and went over to europe. Their rookie is a very nice prospect that could be awesome, but is also very raw and not expected to play a ton this year. So they could be a bit worse than last year, but maybe the same cause of growth from simmons and fultz. However, to put them in the same category as houston is absolutely ridiculous. Houston has twice as good title odds as the 76ers despite having to get through the warriors just to reach the finals.

I really thought after striking out on george, Lebron and Leonard the philly crazy stuff would settle down a bit on this board, but I was sadly mistaken.
Houston has not had a good summer. They were able to compete against GS so well because their defense was fantastic. They lost core defenders Trevor Ariza and Luc Mbah a Moute, and are considering filling that hole with Carmelo Anthony. Chris Paul and Nene got another year past their prime.

They will not have as good a team next year.

Houston won 12 more games than philly last year. They both lost some good not great players. I don't think that is enough to close the gap, and vegas does not think so either.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: droopdog7 on July 18, 2018, 02:09:53 PM
If Kawhi forces a re-trade to the Lakers, Silver should block it.
i agree..chris paul deal was voided

For completely different reasons. There would be no reason for Silver to do so.

Players are getting more and more power in the NBA. Fans can't cite Stern's veto every time a player tries to exert his power.
Yeah, can people stop bringing up the Chris Paul trade.  The NBA could nix the proposed trade because they technically owned the team at that time.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: greece66 on July 18, 2018, 02:11:48 PM
Blake Griffin apparently enjoying the Leonard drama. He just tweeted a gif of himself sipping tea.


https://twitter.com/blakegriffin23/status/1019642046464704512
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 18, 2018, 02:12:42 PM
Blake Griffin apparently enjoying the Leonard drama. He just tweeted a gif of himself sipping tea.


https://twitter.com/blakegriffin23/status/1019642046464704512

Probably sympathetic with DeRozan. He too thought he would retire as one of the greatest players for the team that drafted him.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: CelticsElite on July 18, 2018, 02:13:23 PM
(https://mobile.twitter.com/Eltiterito02/status/1019642256335261701/photo/1)
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 18, 2018, 02:38:12 PM
If Kawhi forces a re-trade to the Lakers, Silver should block it.

true this .....man that would rock.


wow ....would reading Lakers posts be extra funny .....they have never got over the CP3 trade ,  they would become unhinged . LOL
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 02:38:36 PM
If Kawhi forces a re-trade to the Lakers, Silver should block it.
i agree..chris paul deal was voided

For completely different reasons. There would be no reason for Silver to do so.

Players are getting more and more power in the NBA. Fans can't cite Stern's veto every time a player tries to exert his power.

Kawhi getting traded to the Lakers at this point would cause a league action.  Would it be voided?  Maybe not.  But there would be an investigation of tampering before being allowed to proceed, and potentially a grievance filed.  Now that the Spurs have worked out a deal with the Raptors, it’s a different situation than before when the Lakers could hold out hope the price would drop.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: perks-a-beast on July 18, 2018, 02:40:13 PM
Kawhi is a complete brat but I totally understand not wanting to play for Toronto...Lowry is ancient, Ibaka regresses every season, and valnciunas is just meh. On top of that an unproven first year coach.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Vermont Green on July 18, 2018, 02:42:53 PM
he can fake injury. No legal action can ever prove he isn’t hurt

He still needs a physical.  If he fakes the injury at the physical, Toronto voids the trade and it becomes San Antonio's problem.  If he doesn't fake the injury at the physical but then suddenly is injured, that makes it easier to prove faking/fraud.

Assuming all these reports are actually true, this deal is not happening and SAS will have to start fining Leonard.  Leonard is really off the rails here.  I don't see the end game he wants.  I don't think the Lakers are going to trade for him.  Even if he is released (after his entire salary is absorbed by fines), the Lakers have no space to sign him.

Toronto would be a good place for him to be a star for a season.  I guess Toronto could flip him to the Lakers, Leonard for Deng and Ingram, but that ends up being a pretty weak return for  DeRozan, Jakob Poeltl and a protected 2019 first-round draft pick (Deng, Ingram, Green).
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 02:44:52 PM
Meh...unnecessary drama

Boston stay the course. Win the east
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: GreenEnvy on July 18, 2018, 02:45:18 PM
Windhorst saying that the Raptors know that Leonard might not show up to the physical and that they actually consider waiving it. (wheres the popcorn emoji when you need it)


https://streamable.com/neflu

They’d be crazy unless they have something else up their sleeve, like trading him Dec. 15th (or whenever he’s eligible) to the Lakers.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: celticinorlando on July 18, 2018, 02:46:38 PM
Boy this could be disastrous for Toronto. Leonard seems like he wants zero part in being there
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: CelticSooner on July 18, 2018, 02:47:43 PM
Wow Kawhi may destroy two teams chemistry by not even playing.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: greece66 on July 18, 2018, 02:47:52 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/1435157230bac8b53aaaaf6a9c64d074.png)


https://twitter.com/RicBucher/status/1019651096426340352
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: 18isGREATERthan72 on July 18, 2018, 02:49:17 PM
Windhorst saying that the Raptors know that Leonard might not show up to the physical and that they actually consider waiving it. (wheres the popcorn emoji when you need it)


https://streamable.com/neflu

They’d be crazy unless they have something else up their sleeve, like trading him Dec. 15th (or whenever he’s eligible) to the Lakers.

Maybe they're thinking they need to blow this core up anyway, and getting a chance at signing Kawhi after the season is a good risk to take.  I think they realized Derozan isn't going to get them where they want to go.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: GreenEnvy on July 18, 2018, 02:49:41 PM
Boy this could be disastrous for Toronto. Leonard seems like he wants zero part in being there

Too bad. He’s not the first player who got traded somewhere he didn’t want to go. Shut up and play. Finish out your contract and go where you want.

The NBA has turned into a joke with all these divas.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Big333223 on July 18, 2018, 02:49:47 PM
Kawhi is a complete brat but I totally understand not wanting to play for Toronto...Lowry is ancient, Ibaka regresses every season, and valnciunas is just meh. On top of that an unproven first year coach.

Sure but he's 27 and only has one year on his contract and then he can do whatever he wants.

Sitting out a year would be the stupidest thing imaginable. He's already lost the money he could've made with a supermax. If he then forfeits the money he'd make this year by sitting out (assuming the Raptors just fine him into oblivion) then comes his free agency. Is there any team in the league that's going to bid on him at all, knowing he just wants to play in LA? Is LA going to bid against themselves to max out Leonard if they don't have to?

And for what? What is Kawhi's endgame here? To make less money and win fewer games and have no fans like you?
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: GreenEnvy on July 18, 2018, 02:51:28 PM
Windhorst saying that the Raptors know that Leonard might not show up to the physical and that they actually consider waiving it. (wheres the popcorn emoji when you need it)


https://streamable.com/neflu

They’d be crazy unless they have something else up their sleeve, like trading him Dec. 15th (or whenever he’s eligible) to the Lakers.

Maybe they're thinking they need to blow this core up anyway, and getting a chance at signing Kawhi after the season is a good risk to take.  I think they realized Derozan isn't going to get them where they want to go.

How could they give up an all-star for a guy who missed nearly the entire season with some mystery injury and waive a physical?

If the guy is refusing to report, how confident are you in resigning him?
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: greece66 on July 18, 2018, 02:55:16 PM
Kawhi is a complete brat but I totally understand not wanting to play for Toronto...Lowry is ancient, Ibaka regresses every season, and valnciunas is just meh. On top of that an unproven first year coach.

Sure but he's 27 and only has one year on his contract and then he can do whatever he wants.

Sitting out a year would be the stupidest thing imaginable. He's already lost the money he could've made with a supermax. If he then forfeits the money he'd make this year by sitting out (assuming the Raptors just fine him into oblivion) then comes his free agency. Is there any team in the league that's going to bid on him at all, knowing he just wants to play in LA? Is LA going to bid against themselves to max out Leonard if they don't have to?

And for what? What is Kawhi's endgame here? To make less money and win fewer games and have no fans like you?

Leonard already lost a lot of money. And now he refuses to play for one of the league's best teams.  I'm sure at some point he will give in as the pressure will keep building up.

I also don't see what alternative endgame might be here.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: JHTruth on July 18, 2018, 03:04:24 PM
Kawhi is a complete brat but I totally understand not wanting to play for Toronto...Lowry is ancient, Ibaka regresses every season, and valnciunas is just meh. On top of that an unproven first year coach.

Sure but he's 27 and only has one year on his contract and then he can do whatever he wants.

Sitting out a year would be the stupidest thing imaginable. He's already lost the money he could've made with a supermax. If he then forfeits the money he'd make this year by sitting out (assuming the Raptors just fine him into oblivion) then comes his free agency. Is there any team in the league that's going to bid on him at all, knowing he just wants to play in LA? Is LA going to bid against themselves to max out Leonard if they don't have to?

And for what? What is Kawhi's endgame here? To make less money and win fewer games and have no fans like you?

Leonard already lost a lot of money. And now he refuses to play for one of the league's best teams.  I'm sure at some point he will give in as the pressure will keep building up.

I also don't see what alternative endgame might be here.

He'll play. Question is how much will his heart be into it, and how much does he just biding time until he wears the P&G?
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 18, 2018, 03:16:53 PM
Kawhi is a complete brat but I totally understand not wanting to play for Toronto...Lowry is ancient, Ibaka regresses every season, and valnciunas is just meh. On top of that an unproven first year coach.

Sure but he's 27 and only has one year on his contract and then he can do whatever he wants.

Sitting out a year would be the stupidest thing imaginable. He's already lost the money he could've made with a supermax. If he then forfeits the money he'd make this year by sitting out (assuming the Raptors just fine him into oblivion) then comes his free agency. Is there any team in the league that's going to bid on him at all, knowing he just wants to play in LA? Is LA going to bid against themselves to max out Leonard if they don't have to?

And for what? What is Kawhi's endgame here? To make less money and win fewer games and have no fans like you?

Leonard already lost a lot of money. And now he refuses to play for one of the league's best teams.  I'm sure at some point he will give in as the pressure will keep building up.

I also don't see what alternative endgame might be here.

He'll play. Question is how much will his heart be into it, and how much does he just biding time until he wears the P&G?


we ll see at mid season ....if Raps are just using him to flip for draft picks and Lakers Ingram .   I think that will be what it costs the Lakers to ensure Phily doesn't get Kawhi .   

Lakers still stand to loose one of their four 40 million year Lebron seasons .   Leaving three and an older lazier and fat Lebron .  Father time is never ever beat .

What would be funny ... Leonard actually liked Toronto,  i ve heard its a nice place. 

LA an't winning th West without him,  so Lakers circus still on pins and needles waiting waiting waiting ...LOL
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 18, 2018, 03:57:05 PM
Windhorst saying that the Raptors know that Leonard might not show up to the physical and that they actually consider waiving it. (wheres the popcorn emoji when you need it)


https://streamable.com/neflu

They’d be crazy unless they have something else up their sleeve, like trading him Dec. 15th (or whenever he’s eligible) to the Lakers.

yup.  Because if Lakers gave up what Spurs wanted, all this wouldn't have happened. What I mean is while Lakers won't give up Kuzma or Ingram now , they might change their mind come Dec

Come trade deadline (worst case) can see Masai hold both Lakers/Clippers hostage for best return

what would be hilarious is , if greedy OKC comes into play and somehow trades for Leonard
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 18, 2018, 05:18:55 PM
So, it actually went down barring a physical.

I dont think Toronro will have any leverage to flip him at the deadline.  LA teams can just wait.

But, Green was a sleep inclusion imo.  A defeveteran unit featuring Kawhi, Green, and Anunoby is pretty stout.  They can and probably should make the ECF this year.   So maybe it was worth rolling the dice.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Big333223 on July 18, 2018, 05:27:57 PM
So, it actually went down barring a physical.

I dont think Toronro will have any leverage to flip him at the deadline.  LA teams can just wait.

But, Green was a sleep inclusion imo.  A defeveteran unit featuring Kawhi, Green, and Anunoby is pretty stout.  They can and probably should make the ECF this year.   So maybe it was worth rolling the dice.

It would be funny if Kawhi really does just want to go to LA and the earlier report that he doesn't want to play with LBJ because he wants his own team is true and, come mid season, Kawhi really doesn't want to be in Toronto but the Clippers are kind of frisky out west and Toronto flips him there, which Kawhi loves and the Lakers never get to sign him because he likes being the face of the Clippers so much and the Lakers wind up having to spend all their cap space on the mid-level scrubs Lebron had in Cleveland this past year and they just waste the remainder of Lebron's peak getting the 4th seed every year.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: footey on July 18, 2018, 05:31:24 PM
Windhorst saying that the Raptors know that Leonard might not show up to the physical and that they actually consider waiving it. (wheres the popcorn emoji when you need it)


https://streamable.com/neflu

They’d be crazy unless they have something else up their sleeve, like trading him Dec. 15th (or whenever he’s eligible) to the Lakers.

yup.  Because if Lakers gave up what Spurs wanted, all this wouldn't have happened. What I mean is while Lakers won't give up Kuzma or Ingram now , they might change their mind come Dec

Come trade deadline (worst case) can see Masai hold both Lakers/Clippers hostage for best return

what would be hilarious is , if greedy OKC comes into play and somehow trades for Leonard

Yeah, Paul George for Leonard, now that would be funny!
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: GreenEnvy on July 18, 2018, 05:43:58 PM
So, it actually went down barring a physical.

I dont think Toronro will have any leverage to flip him at the deadline.  LA teams can just wait.

But, Green was a sleep inclusion imo.  A defeveteran unit featuring Kawhi, Green, and Anunoby is pretty stout.  They can and probably should make the ECF this year.   So maybe it was worth rolling the dice.

LA teams can wait, and then duke it out against each other with their pitches. Or one can trade for him and be able to offer him a lot more money than anyone else. More money and team to himself may be the difference between Clippers and Lakers.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Rosco917 on July 18, 2018, 06:44:49 PM
Sometimes I wonder about the mental health of Kawhi.

I've heard so many conflicting reports about what Kawhi wants, and what he doesn't want... subjects he won't speak about, and who he won't speak to anymore. He seldom smiles, he seldom interviews.

He must be a fun guy to share a locker room with.  :angel:
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Birdman on July 18, 2018, 06:53:19 PM
Bad  trade for Toronto..if leonard signs with them its all good but we all know he isnt..why mess up something that was going great in toronto..spurs hit a grand slam with this trade..got a allstar, a center to replace Gasol when he retires and a 1st
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: KG Living Legend on July 18, 2018, 07:38:44 PM
So, it actually went down barring a physical.

I dont think Toronro will have any leverage to flip him at the deadline.  LA teams can just wait.

But, Green was a sleep inclusion imo.  A defeveteran unit featuring Kawhi, Green, and Anunoby is pretty stout.  They can and probably should make the ECF this year.   So maybe it was worth rolling the dice.



 Excuse me they should make the finals this year? remember that team from Boston they're supposed to be pretty good.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 18, 2018, 07:56:11 PM
So, it actually went down barring a physical.

I dont think Toronro will have any leverage to flip him at the deadline.  LA teams can just wait.

But, Green was a sleep inclusion imo.  A defeveteran unit featuring Kawhi, Green, and Anunoby is pretty stout.  They can and probably should make the ECF this year.   So maybe it was worth rolling the dice.



 Excuse me they should make the finals this year? remember that team from Boston they're supposed to be pretty good.

Said the ECF, not the Finals.  Already have boston penciled in there.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Beat LA on July 18, 2018, 08:28:42 PM
Lol at Rudy Gay and Derozan once again being on the same team because results ;D.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 18, 2018, 08:41:08 PM
So, it actually went down barring a physical.

I dont think Toronro will have any leverage to flip him at the deadline.  LA teams can just wait.

But, Green was a sleep inclusion imo.  A defeveteran unit featuring Kawhi, Green, and Anunoby is pretty stout.  They can and probably should make the ECF this year.   So maybe it was worth rolling the dice.



 Excuse me they should make the finals this year? remember that team from Boston they're supposed to be pretty good.

Said the ECF, not the Finals.  Already have boston penciled in there.
Lowry is still pretty good defensively too. 
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Who on July 18, 2018, 08:44:13 PM
If Kawhi really wanted to play for the Lakers, he could have forced his way there this summer.

I doubt he ends up there in 12 months time.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 08:57:07 PM
If Kawhi really wanted to play for the Lakers, he could have forced his way there this summer.

I doubt he ends up there in 12 months time.

I think he’s still trying to force his way there, personally.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: tenn_smoothie on July 18, 2018, 08:59:12 PM
Thank God we did not trade for this guy !!!!!!!!!!

Once in awhile, I am led to believe that Danny really does have some common sense.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: RockinRyA on July 19, 2018, 08:11:12 AM
Poor DDR, now he has a chance to choke and be eliminated by Lebron again.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Birdman on July 19, 2018, 08:30:27 AM
He and other sports players should be grateful to play for any team for millions of dollars..there are millions of ppl who are starving and homeless on this Earth...i lose all respect for any athletes who complain bout what team they playing for
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Big333223 on July 19, 2018, 09:55:48 AM
He and other sports players should be grateful to play for any team for millions of dollars..there are millions of ppl who are starving and homeless on this Earth...i lose all respect for any athletes who complain bout what team they playing for

If you make a lot of money you're not allowed care where you live?
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: green_bballers13 on July 19, 2018, 10:08:09 AM
He and other sports players should be grateful to play for any team for millions of dollars..there are millions of ppl who are starving and homeless on this Earth...i lose all respect for any athletes who complain bout what team they playing for

If you make a lot of money you're not allowed care where you live?

Of course, you're allowed to talk about whatever you want. At the same time, you risk the scrutiny of the masses if what you're saying sounds tone-deaf.

Toronto is a major international city, and despite the weather, its a nice place to be. Kawhi can say whatever he wants about Toronto.

Kind of reminds me of when Phil Mickelson complained that he might have to leave the US b/c he pays too much in tax. The average person won't sympathize with such a complaint. We simply don't care about Kawhi's plight while getting paid tens of millions to play in Toronto for a year.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: jambr380 on July 19, 2018, 10:08:45 AM
He and other sports players should be grateful to play for any team for millions of dollars..there are millions of ppl who are starving and homeless on this Earth...i lose all respect for any athletes who complain bout what team they playing for

If you make a lot of money you're not allowed care where you live?

Basically. And this isn’t a ‘lot’ of money, this is money beyond anybody’s wildest dreams. He can get a private jet and 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc homes and go whenever he wants.

Of course you can have a preference for where you want to be and make that decision when the time comes. You can even let a team know that you definitely won’t re-sign with them so they can obtain assets for you (this is actually preferred), but nobody is going to feel bad for you if you aren’t living in LA. If NBA players had similar contracts to NFL players, it would be a whole different story.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Birdman on July 19, 2018, 10:55:32 AM
Sporting News reporting he may sit than play for Toronto (i dont believe he will)...but if he does, Silver should suspend him for 2 years
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: BackDoorCut on July 19, 2018, 11:26:42 AM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600

Ouch.

What's it say?

Kawhi might sit out another year. "No interest" in Raps..


That's a breach of contract. Raptors and/or the league should take legal action. This is getting a bit out of control, players can't just refuse to play and still get paid.
No need to sue, every missed practice/game carries a fine. His whole salary would be forfeit quickly.

I would sue for foregone revenue. Bankrupt the quitter.
That's unlikely to occur and also probably not a suit they could win. Not to mention might be prohibited by the CBA.

If you violate a contract you signed. and I mean this is bizarro NBA universe, if he is healthy and chose to sit out, I would sue him for foregone revenues. A company that operates hotels in places where fires effect revenue, takes out insurance policies on that revenue and receives some of that back. If he sat out while being healthy, I would gladly sue him for that. I would be surprised if there's any mention of that in the CBA as when has a player in the history of the game legitimately sat out because he is petty for a half season.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: BackDoorCut on July 19, 2018, 11:28:05 AM
http://twitter.com/MyNBAUpdate/status/1019627319550361600

Ouch.
Would
What's it say?

Kawhi might sit out another year. "No interest" in Raps..


That's a breach of contract. Raptors and/or the league should take legal action. This is getting a bit out of control, players can't just refuse to play and still get paid.
he can fake injury. No legal action can ever prove he isn’t hurt

Yeah it s not like you could get 3 independent doctors to come to independent conclusions or anything. /sarcasm
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Big333223 on July 19, 2018, 11:31:34 AM
He and other sports players should be grateful to play for any team for millions of dollars..there are millions of ppl who are starving and homeless on this Earth...i lose all respect for any athletes who complain bout what team they playing for

If you make a lot of money you're not allowed care where you live?

Basically. And this isn’t a ‘lot’ of money, this is money beyond anybody’s wildest dreams. He can get a private jet and 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc homes and go whenever he wants.

Of course you can have a preference for where you want to be and make that decision when the time comes. You can even let a team know that you definitely won’t re-sign with them so they can obtain assets for you (this is actually preferred), but nobody is going to feel bad for you if you aren’t living in LA. If NBA players had similar contracts to NFL players, it would be a whole different story.

I'm not saying anyone should feel bad for Kawhi (Kawhi, especially) but I don't agree with the mentality that "athletes should never complain  because they make a lot of money." You can be grateful and hard working and still not like your circumstances. I don't see a problem with voicing that.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 19, 2018, 11:50:12 AM
He and other sports players should be grateful to play for any team for millions of dollars..there are millions of ppl who are starving and homeless on this Earth...i lose all respect for any athletes who complain bout what team they playing for

If you make a lot of money you're not allowed care where you live?

Basically. And this isn’t a ‘lot’ of money, this is money beyond anybody’s wildest dreams. He can get a private jet and 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc homes and go whenever he wants.

Of course you can have a preference for where you want to be and make that decision when the time comes. You can even let a team know that you definitely won’t re-sign with them so they can obtain assets for you (this is actually preferred), but nobody is going to feel bad for you if you aren’t living in LA. If NBA players had similar contracts to NFL players, it would be a whole different story.

I'm not saying anyone should feel bad for Kawhi (Kawhi, especially) but I don't agree with the mentality that "athletes should never complain  because they make a lot of money." You can be grateful and hard working and still not like your circumstances. I don't see a problem with voicing that.

Demar sounds entitled

The bottom line is he "quit" on the Raptors in the playoffs and Raptors quit on him.  They also quit on the coach (who won the coach of the year award)

Raptors want to win a championship and the way things are and have been for 5 seasons....can you blame the team?

Demar outside of wanting to win a championship, also wanted to stay with one team and be an icon in Toronto after his career ended.   Toronto Raptors didn't care about this
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 19, 2018, 11:54:04 AM
Sporting News reporting he may sit than play for Toronto (i dont believe he will)...but if he does, Silver should suspend him for 2 years

He won't do it... unless he wants to end his nba career

Owners also have relationships/brotherhood

a player wanting out is probably the highest threshold to not boycott the player from playing in the league (though for rookies it seems like a different story)
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 19, 2018, 11:57:33 AM
I hope everyone sits out this season.  Every player in the league.  Players need to show a greater degree of entitlement imo.  Franchises should reinforce it.  And fans should overlook it.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Fafnir on July 19, 2018, 11:58:15 AM
The idea that no legal or arbitration proceeding can "ever" conclude a player is able to healthy or not is bizarre.

Getting worked up over "sporting news" report that isn't sourced compared to MULTIPLE credible outlets and reporters saying he will play is wild to me. He might not report for the physical but once preseason starts he will be fined heavily for each practice/game missed. So he'll be there by preseason.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Fafnir on July 19, 2018, 12:01:01 PM
If Kawhi really wanted to play for the Lakers, he could have forced his way there this summer.

I doubt he ends up there in 12 months time.
I'm skeptical this is true because of his agent/uncle situation. Not exactly an experienced NBA group he's working with.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 19, 2018, 12:02:59 PM
Though we rarely see this unless the player is really injured

what happens if both Demar and Kawhi avoid passing physicals (just don't show up)

Trade is rescinded ?  or suspension without pay? 
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: SparzWizard on July 19, 2018, 12:05:31 PM
Kawhi should stay with the Raptors long-term, so he doesn't have to go to the Lakers next year.

Although that'd give Boston some troubles...another top eastern conference rival to deal with for multiple years.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Fafnir on July 19, 2018, 12:06:52 PM
Though we rarely see this unless the player is really injured

what happens if both Demar and Kawhi avoid passing physicals (just don't show up)

Trade is rescinded ?  or suspension without pay?
The teams can waive the physical or unwind the trade. The players involved can be fined.

Given the press conference and public nature of this I am betting it would go through anyways.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: kraidstar on July 19, 2018, 12:14:11 PM
Sporting News reporting he may sit than play for Toronto (i dont believe he will)...but if he does, Silver should suspend him for 2 years
Doesn't the Commissioner have broad discretion in such matters? If so he could also block Kawhi from going to LA. It would be a good statement to make. I'm sure the owners aren't happy at this saga and don't want Kawhi setting a new precedent.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Tr1boy on July 19, 2018, 12:19:34 PM
Though we rarely see this unless the player is really injured

what happens if both Demar and Kawhi avoid passing physicals (just don't show up)

Trade is rescinded ?  or suspension without pay?
The teams can waive the physical or unwind the trade. The players involved can be fined.

Given the press conference and public nature of this I am betting it would go through anyways.

true
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: Fafnir on July 19, 2018, 12:21:51 PM
Sporting News reporting he may sit than play for Toronto (i dont believe he will)...but if he does, Silver should suspend him for 2 years
Doesn't the Commissioner have broad discretion in such matters? If so he could also block Kawhi from going to LA. It would be a good statement to make. I'm sure the owners aren't happy at this saga and don't want Kawhi setting a new precedent.
He does not.

While there is a vague blanket power granted in the NBA constitution, the commissioner has limited power to limit FA movement. Only if tampering were proven via the official process could he stop Kawhi from going to LA.
Title: Re: Shams and Woj Bomb both reporting Kawhi to Raptors for Demar all but done deal.
Post by: SparzWizard on July 19, 2018, 01:22:44 PM
Sporting News reporting he may sit than play for Toronto (i dont believe he will)...but if he does, Silver should suspend him for 2 years
Doesn't the Commissioner have broad discretion in such matters? If so he could also block Kawhi from going to LA. It would be a good statement to make. I'm sure the owners aren't happy at this saga and don't want Kawhi setting a new precedent.

Couldn't Kawhi Leonard sue the NBA for that?