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Title: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: Somebody on April 07, 2017, 10:52:27 AM
Seems like Smart has listened to the haters; he was on a mission to shut them up tonight and produced numbers that were never done before in nba history (7 assists, 6 steals, 5 threes and 2 blocks). People still forget he's 22 or so and still has a few years to reach his prime. I really hope he succeeds and I hope that other Celtics fans can wish well for him instead of bashing him 24/7
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: celts55 on April 07, 2017, 11:02:51 AM
He had a great game. Unfortunately, this is his third year in the league and he still has no consistency with his shot. He brings a lot to the table, but one good shooting game, after so many awful ones, does not change my opinion. He need to be able to hit an open jumper, at the minimum, to be a complete player.
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: Androslav on April 07, 2017, 11:03:42 AM
Cmon, almost everyone here has a soft spot for Marcus and I am no exception. If we were looking him from afar he would truly get crushed on CB. Even if he stole an ice cream from a 4 y/o kid, we would be like: "He has such a knack for steals."
He needed a good shooting night badly and I am glad he found it.
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: Somebody on April 07, 2017, 11:13:58 AM
Cmon, almost everyone here has a soft spot for Marcus and I am no exception. If we were looking him from afar he would truly get crushed on CB. Even if he stole an ice cream from a 4 y/o kid, we would be like: "He has such a knack for steals."
He needed a good shooting night badly and I am glad he found it.
A good shooting night is an understatement. He did something nobody ever did in the history of the nba. You guys are like "[dang] he finally shot 40%". Fans of other teams would be ecstatic with this while Celtics fans are treating it is long due lol
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: celts55 on April 07, 2017, 11:15:36 AM
Cmon, almost everyone here has a soft spot for Marcus and I am no exception. If we were looking him from afar he would truly get crushed on CB. Even if he stole an ice cream from a 4 y/o kid, we would be like: "He has such a knack for steals."
He needed a good shooting night badly and I am glad he found it.
A good shooting night is an understatement. He did something nobody ever did in the history of the nba. You guys are like "[dang] he finally shot 40%". Fans of other teams would be ecstatic with this while Celtics fans are treating it is long due lol

What did he do that no one has ever done before?
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: slamtheking on April 07, 2017, 12:05:03 PM
Cmon, almost everyone here has a soft spot for Marcus and I am no exception. If we were looking him from afar he would truly get crushed on CB. Even if he stole an ice cream from a 4 y/o kid, we would be like: "He has such a knack for steals."
He needed a good shooting night badly and I am glad he found it.
A good shooting night is an understatement. He did something nobody ever did in the history of the nba. You guys are like "[dang] he finally shot 40%". Fans of other teams would be ecstatic with this while Celtics fans are treating it is long due lol
It's nice that it was a first in the NBA and it shows he had a complete game more or less but if you look at it as a whole, it's not something to be overly impressed with.  I can only guess the thing that made those stats unique were the 5 3-pointers.   when Horford has a good game, he puts up those kinds of numbers except maybe only 3 3-pointers. 

I love Smart and have been a staunch defenders against his "he sucks cuz his shooting sucks" detractors but even I'm at the point where as much as he brings to the table, he's got to be more consistent with his shooting (and I mean a higher percentage consistency, not consistently bad).  If he improves his finishing around the basket, gets a really solid game in the post and can develop consistency out to 20 feet at least, he'd be fantastic.
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: kozlodoev on April 07, 2017, 12:13:12 PM
Seems like Smart has listened to the haters; he was on a mission to shut them up tonight and produced numbers that were never done before in nba history (7 assists, 6 steals, 5 threes and 2 blocks). People still forget he's 22 or so and still has a few years to reach his prime. I really hope he succeeds and I hope that other Celtics fans can wish well for him instead of bashing him 24/7
We played a horrible game and let Atlanta's starting backcourt average 20 ppg. Forgive me if I'm not particularly fascinated by the fact that the broken clock that is Marcus' shot finally showed the correct time.
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: Ilikesports17 on April 07, 2017, 12:55:00 PM
Marcus is not a "horrible" offensive player in my opinion, but he could be the worst scorer in the league. Good games thrown in here and there dont change that.
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: ederson on April 07, 2017, 01:50:11 PM
Exactly...

Although he is the kind of player i want in my team i can't argue that so far he hasn't shown he can actually help offensively. I am not saying won't ever but so far he doesn't look like he will. He had one truly good (maybe great) game... So what ? I m pretty sure he had at least one bad or even very bad game defensively Does this mean he sucks on D ??
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: footey on April 07, 2017, 01:53:17 PM
Seems like Smart has listened to the haters; he was on a mission to shut them up tonight and produced numbers that were never done before in nba history (7 assists, 6 steals, 5 threes and 2 blocks). People still forget he's 22 or so and still has a few years to reach his prime. I really hope he succeeds and I hope that other Celtics fans can wish well for him instead of bashing him 24/7
We played a horrible game and let Atlanta's starting backcourt average 20 ppg. Forgive me if I'm not particularly fascinated by the fact that the broken clock that is Marcus' shot finally showed the correct time.

I have to say Koz, that was pretty darn funny.  And accurate.
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: hpantazo on April 07, 2017, 01:54:32 PM
I'm sure Marcus would agree that we lost, so his stats that game mean nothing
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: rochrist on April 07, 2017, 03:57:41 PM
Seems like Smart has listened to the haters; he was on a mission to shut them up tonight and produced numbers that were never done before in nba history (7 assists, 6 steals, 5 threes and 2 blocks). People still forget he's 22 or so and still has a few years to reach his prime. I really hope he succeeds and I hope that other Celtics fans can wish well for him instead of bashing him 24/7

He's still shooting 36%. He's actually shooting a lower percentage than he did his rookie year. At some point there was to be /some/ sign of improvement. At this point, it's looking like his shot is a  lost cause. Too bad. If had a reasonable shot, he'd be a legitimately great player.
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: 86MaxwellSmart on April 07, 2017, 04:13:24 PM
While watching that horror show last night, I thought to myself---we'd win this game if we had 5 Marcus Smarts out there.
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: Csfan1984 on April 07, 2017, 04:20:18 PM
Good one for Smart but it still in a losing efgort by the whole team. I just wish it was more than two guys a night having a good game. Too little too often from everyone with the exception of IT. We need guys to be better.
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: Ed Hollison on April 07, 2017, 05:31:43 PM
I am a massive Smart supporter and apologist, but I think his off-season focus needs to be to get into better shape. His weight helps him defend bigger players, but I think some of his issues relate to the fact that he's just too [dang] heavy.
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: hwangjini_1 on April 07, 2017, 05:39:30 PM
all this over a single game? why does this one game count for more than his recent binge of bad shooting? or his 1-10 game?

i like smart a lot and have been a steady supporter. but i think it would be foolish if we were to draw conclusions about his entire offensive and shooting based on a single game.

let's see how he does in the next week and into the playoffs.
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: kozlodoev on April 07, 2017, 05:48:31 PM
I am a massive Smart supporter and apologist, but I think his off-season focus needs to be to get into better shape. His weight helps him defend bigger players, but I think some of his issues relate to the fact that he's just too [dang] heavy.
I think the fact that he manages to command 30 minutes of action given his historic offensive ineptitude is a credit to him. However, I was hoping that either the shooting or the shot selection will pick up... but no such luck so far, it seems.
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: droopdog7 on April 07, 2017, 05:50:01 PM
Okay, so we're reduced to celebrating when smart has one good game in a row now?
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: chilidawg on April 07, 2017, 09:01:11 PM
Okay, so we're reduced to celebrating when smart has one good game in a row now?

Silver linings.
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: Somebody on April 07, 2017, 09:11:46 PM
I'm not drawing conclusions from this (still needs a lot of consistency) but I think that guys should not bash him like what some guys have done recently; he's still young and can improve
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: rochrist on April 07, 2017, 10:02:58 PM
I'm not drawing conclusions from this (still needs a lot of consistency) but I think that guys should not bash him like what some guys have done recently; he's still young and can improve

That's kind of the point. It's been 3 full seasons with zero sign of improvement in his shooting. I was hopeful after he improved his FT shooting, but really, he's been pretty bad.
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: Chris22 on April 08, 2017, 10:55:50 PM
Marcus was a +12 tonight.
The only stat that counts.
Title: Re: Historic night by our "horrible" offensive player
Post by: Ogaju on April 08, 2017, 11:57:22 PM
Celtics won... much better stat.