Who You Got with the 14th Pick? (Poll added)

[liam]

I'd say players that seem like Danny picks would be Cole Anthony and RJ Hampton, two guys that were said to be top prospects who underperformed, for one reason or another.

Normally I would agree with you, but DA conceding that the Cs would be likely drafting for need makes me think he won't consider these guys. We don't need DSJ 2.0 or a guy who was a weak player in the Australian league

14 lewis or terry
26 Smith or Tillman
30 McDaniels

I would be over the moon with Lewis / Terry and Tillman, but personally have Reed and a guy like Desmond Bane ahead of Smith and McDaniels. Need some more shooting or defensive excellence

I'm more optimistic about RJ Hampton's ability to improve. I put him more in the Jaylen Brown bucket (top HS prospect, struggled first year out), but more of a ball handler.  Athleticism is off the charts.  Pretty switchable defending 3 spots (1,2, 3).  If he can improve his jumper, has a very high ceiling. I don't feel that way about Anthony.

RJ Hampton looks like a really raw project to me. He looks really scrawny and he can't shoot.  Hre'd have to improve a lot just to be a late first round pick. No thanks.

[gouki88]

I'd say players that seem like Danny picks would be Cole Anthony and RJ Hampton, two guys that were said to be top prospects who underperformed, for one reason or another.

Normally I would agree with you, but DA conceding that the Cs would be likely drafting for need makes me think he won't consider these guys. We don't need DSJ 2.0 or a guy who was a weak player in the Australian league

14 lewis or terry
26 Smith or Tillman
30 McDaniels

I would be over the moon with Lewis / Terry and Tillman, but personally have Reed and a guy like Desmond Bane ahead of Smith and McDaniels. Need some more shooting or defensive excellence

I'm more optimistic about RJ Hampton's ability to improve. I put him more in the Jaylen Brown bucket (top HS prospect, struggled first year out), but more of a ball handler.  Athleticism is off the charts.  Pretty switchable defending 3 spots (1,2, 3).  If he can improve his jumper, has a very high ceiling. I don't feel that way about Anthony.

RJ Hampton looks like a really raw project to me. He looks really scrawny and he can't shoot.  Hre'd have to improve a lot just to be a late first round pick. No thanks.

Yeah, I got to see quite a bit of him first-hand as he played in the NBL, and it wasn't very impressive. Ball didn't impress here, but Hampton was a lot worse.

Would definitely not have an issue if we got Bey. I would like if we could trade up a few spots and maybe make a run at Haliburton or Nesmith(both slotted to go in between 8-12) as well but not sure if they would still be available around the 10th spot.

I would also like us to take a flyer on another small PG in the 2nd or late first..Markus Howard, PG, Marquette. He is IT small in height but wow, he can light it up as a shooter. 2019/20 stats: 29 G, 33.2 mpg, 27.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 3.3 apg, 0.9 spg, 0.0 bpg, 42.2 FG% (7.5/14.6), 41.2 3PT% (4.2/10.1), 84.7 FT%

We need these kind of players coming off the bench.

Yeah, I'm all in on Markus Howard, especially with that second-round pick.  I'm seeing him out of the draft altogether or in the late 2nd.   He would be an amazing off or on ball shooter. Brad has experience with hiding these small guards within our defense.

I'm somewhat wary of Markus Howard after Carsen Edwards being quite a failure so far, but I will concede that he has a better body of work than Carsen does. I'd prefer Merrill if we're going for a sniper in the 2nd round, as Merrill is a better passer and defender and doesn't shoot as much.

Would be happy with either though

[liam]

I'd say players that seem like Danny picks would be Cole Anthony and RJ Hampton, two guys that were said to be top prospects who underperformed, for one reason or another.

Normally I would agree with you, but DA conceding that the Cs would be likely drafting for need makes me think he won't consider these guys. We don't need DSJ 2.0 or a guy who was a weak player in the Australian league

14 lewis or terry
26 Smith or Tillman
30 McDaniels

I would be over the moon with Lewis / Terry and Tillman, but personally have Reed and a guy like Desmond Bane ahead of Smith and McDaniels. Need some more shooting or defensive excellence

I'm more optimistic about RJ Hampton's ability to improve. I put him more in the Jaylen Brown bucket (top HS prospect, struggled first year out), but more of a ball handler.  Athleticism is off the charts.  Pretty switchable defending 3 spots (1,2, 3).  If he can improve his jumper, has a very high ceiling. I don't feel that way about Anthony.

RJ Hampton looks like a really raw project to me. He looks really scrawny and he can't shoot.  Hre'd have to improve a lot just to be a late first round pick. No thanks.

Yeah, I got to see quite a bit of him first-hand as he played in the NBL, and it wasn't very impressive. Ball didn't impress here, but Hampton was a lot worse.

Would definitely not have an issue if we got Bey. I would like if we could trade up a few spots and maybe make a run at Haliburton or Nesmith(both slotted to go in between 8-12) as well but not sure if they would still be available around the 10th spot.

I would also like us to take a flyer on another small PG in the 2nd or late first..Markus Howard, PG, Marquette. He is IT small in height but wow, he can light it up as a shooter. 2019/20 stats: 29 G, 33.2 mpg, 27.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 3.3 apg, 0.9 spg, 0.0 bpg, 42.2 FG% (7.5/14.6), 41.2 3PT% (4.2/10.1), 84.7 FT%

We need these kind of players coming off the bench.

Yeah, I'm all in on Markus Howard, especially with that second-round pick.  I'm seeing him out of the draft altogether or in the late 2nd.   He would be an amazing off or on ball shooter. Brad has experience with hiding these small guards within our defense.

I'm somewhat wary of Markus Howard after Carsen Edwards being quite a failure so far, but I will concede that he has a better body of work than Carsen does. I'd prefer Merrill if we're going for a sniper in the 2nd round, as Merrill is a better passer and defender and doesn't shoot as much.

Would be happy with either though

Merrill will probably be the more serviceable of the two but Howard looks amazing in college. Howard is really small, like IT small. I can't believe someone won't pick up Howard in the second round. Merrill is a cold-blooded shooter that could use an NBA conditioning program but his shooting is top-notch. I'm all in on picking up shooters.

[gouki88]

Merrill will probably be the more serviceable of the two but Howard looks amazing in college. Howard is really small, like IT small. I can't believe someone won't pick up Howard in the second round. Merrill is a cold-blooded shooter that could use an NBA conditioning program but his shooting is top-notch. I'm all in on picking up shooters.

Yeah, I'm all on board the shooter bandwagon at this stage. Getting any of Nesmith, Terry, S Bey, Bane, Joe, Merrill or Howard would be good for me. I think those are the top shooters in this draft

[liam]

Merrill will probably be the more serviceable of the two but Howard looks amazing in college. Howard is really small, like IT small. I can't believe someone won't pick up Howard in the second round. Merrill is a cold-blooded shooter that could use an NBA conditioning program but his shooting is top-notch. I'm all in on picking up shooters.

Yeah, I'm all on board the shooter bandwagon at this stage. Getting any of Nesmith, Terry, S Bey, Bane, Joe, Merrill or Howard would be good for me. I think those are the top shooters in this draft

Agreed. Joe is the only one of these players that I am not up on. I do like that group but I can also see Danny grabbing one of those big rugged rebounders. The Celtics need shooters coming off that bench next year with all the attention that Tatum, Brown, Kemba, and hopefully Hayward will be getting.

[gouki88]

Merrill will probably be the more serviceable of the two but Howard looks amazing in college. Howard is really small, like IT small. I can't believe someone won't pick up Howard in the second round. Merrill is a cold-blooded shooter that could use an NBA conditioning program but his shooting is top-notch. I'm all in on picking up shooters.

Yeah, I'm all on board the shooter bandwagon at this stage. Getting any of Nesmith, Terry, S Bey, Bane, Joe, Merrill or Howard would be good for me. I think those are the top shooters in this draft

Agreed. Joe is the only one of these players that I am not up on. I do like that group but I can also see Danny grabbing one of those big rugged rebounders. The Celtics need shooters coming off that bench next year with all the attention that Tatum, Brown, Kemba, and hopefully Hayward will be getting.

Yeah, considering we've got 4 picks I think we'll pursue 2 shooters, 1 defensive specialist and 1 true big man. We could pretty easily nab Terry, Tillman, Reed and Howard/Merrill if we don't make any trades. I'd be happy with that, as I think those last 3 picks could bring in some guys who could legitimately impact right away

[liam]

Interesting articale from the POST:


"With similarities in size and skills, experience and athleticism, TCU senior Desmond Bane has patterned his game after Joe Harris. And he says he’d be the same kind of plug-and-play 3-and-D success for the Nets that Harris has.

The Nets interviewed Bane back in April, when teams were permitted to speak with draft prospects. And with Brooklyn holding the No. 19 pick, the 6-foot-5, 215-pound wing could be the perfect sweet-shooting support for Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving.

“I believe I’m their first interview as well. It was very early on, and the interest was significant,” Bane said Wednesday via Zoom. “I spoke with the Nets very early on in the process, and the interview went great. Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving are going to be huge focal points of the team, so you’ve got to have guys like Joe Harris who can run around off screens and occupy defenses and make shots away from the ball.

“That’s actually the guy that I study a lot in the NBA, just because we’re similar size, we played four years, he’s a tough guy, makes shots off a lot of different movements, can play off of handoffs and things like that. So that’s somebody that I really try to model my game after. He’s had great success in the Brooklyn organization and I feel like I could have similar success.”

Harris is a former 3-point champ and second in the league from deep over the past three years, but now he’s an unrestricted free agent. Bane could be his understudy, but could also end up as insurance.

Like Harris, the 22-year-old is a four-year college player and arguably the class’ top shooter with NBA range. He averaged 16.6 points, 6.3 boards and 3.9 assists as a senior, hitting 44.2 percent from 3-point range."

[liam]

Merrill will probably be the more serviceable of the two but Howard looks amazing in college. Howard is really small, like IT small. I can't believe someone won't pick up Howard in the second round. Merrill is a cold-blooded shooter that could use an NBA conditioning program but his shooting is top-notch. I'm all in on picking up shooters.

Yeah, I'm all on board the shooter bandwagon at this stage. Getting any of Nesmith, Terry, S Bey, Bane, Joe, Merrill or Howard would be good for me. I think those are the top shooters in this draft

Agreed. Joe is the only one of these players that I am not up on. I do like that group but I can also see Danny grabbing one of those big rugged rebounders. The Celtics need shooters coming off that bench next year with all the attention that Tatum, Brown, Kemba, and hopefully Hayward will be getting.

Yeah, considering we've got 4 picks I think we'll pursue 2 shooters, 1 defensive specialist and 1 true big man. We could pretty easily nab Terry, Tillman, Reed and Howard/Merrill if we don't make any trades. I'd be happy with that, as I think those last 3 picks could bring in some guys who could legitimately impact right away

I also wouldn't be unhappy with Payton Pritchard with that second round pick. He looks a little Fred Vanfleetish.... Looks like more of a point guard than Carsen Edwards.

[wiley]

Ok, name the players that, despite who you'd generally like at 26, can't be not taken at 26. 

For example, maybe you want Tillman at 26.  Tell me which player if they fall that far you would have to take over Tillman.  Hampton? 

For me, despite thinking highly of Tillman and recognizing he'd provide help in an area of need, I think if Jahmi'us Ramsey is there at 26 he has to be taken value wise.  (then hope for tillman at 30.

I think Ramsey can be brought along either quickly or slowly, but is definitely ready to help some next year.  I really like comparing him to Smart as to how he plays.  Apparently he has more of a scorer's mentality than playmaking for others at the moment, but he seems to me like the type who could easily become a table setter in the near future.

[konkmv]

14 terry
26 mcdaniels
30 perry
46 azubuike

[CFAN38]

Ok, name the players that, despite who you'd generally like at 26, can't be not taken at 26. 

For example, maybe you want Tillman at 26.  Tell me which player if they fall that far you would have to take over Tillman.  Hampton? 

For me, despite thinking highly of Tillman and recognizing he'd provide help in an area of need, I think if Jahmi'us Ramsey is there at 26 he has to be taken value wise.  (then hope for tillman at 30.

I think Ramsey can be brought along either quickly or slowly, but is definitely ready to help some next year.  I really like comparing him to Smart as to how he plays.  Apparently he has more of a scorer's mentality than playmaking for others at the moment, but he seems to me like the type who could easily become a table setter in the near future.

these are the guys I draft before Tillman. I pulled this off of my draft tiers ends up being 19 players.

LaMelo Ball
Anthony Edwards
Killian Hayes
Onyeka Okongwu
James Wiseman
Deni Avdija
Isaac Okoro
RJ Hampton
Cole Anthony
Tyrese Maxey
Tyrese Haliburton
Devin Vassell
Josh Green
Patrick Williams
Kira Lewis
Aaron Nesmith
Tyrell Terry
Obi Toppin
Precious Achiuwa

[CFAN38]

14 terry
26 mcdaniels
30 perry
46 azubuike

if you take the 30th pick and trade that away in a Porier contract dump these picks seem plausible to me.

 Terry would represent DA filling the need for a shooter (though I don't expect him to be contributing as a rookie.)

Mcdaniels is a really interesting ceiling pick, if he can bulk up to a point where he can defend bigger forwards he becomes a potential long term fit next to Tatum and Brown. He lacks a great first step as a wing but at his ceiling playing along side Tatum and Brown he could find himself being guarded by bigger slower players where he would have an advantage. In that role he would also provide nice weak side rim protection and greater length then Hayward currently does. The keys for him are bulk (id say get to 225lbs+), being able to consistently hit corners 3s, and staying focused on defense. This link has the synergy shot chart on Jaden. https://stats.nba.com/articles/2020-nba-draft-profile-jaden-mcdaniels/ 

Azubuike is a pick that I love for the Cs but I'm not sure he lasts to 47 and wouldn't want to take him at 30. On a 2nd round contract I can see him instantly providing more then Porier. He lacks many of the prerequisite skills to for a big in the modern NBA but he would have been a Shaq era lottery pick. His rim protection, rim finishing, and physicality would be an interesting wrinkle in the Cs rotation. Like Kanter he isn't going to be playable in many match-ups but he could prove very valuable vs more traditional bigs.   

[wiley]

Ok, name the players that, despite who you'd generally like at 26, can't be not taken at 26. 

For example, maybe you want Tillman at 26.  Tell me which player if they fall that far you would have to take over Tillman.  Hampton? 

For me, despite thinking highly of Tillman and recognizing he'd provide help in an area of need, I think if Jahmi'us Ramsey is there at 26 he has to be taken value wise.  (then hope for tillman at 30.

I think Ramsey can be brought along either quickly or slowly, but is definitely ready to help some next year.  I really like comparing him to Smart as to how he plays.  Apparently he has more of a scorer's mentality than playmaking for others at the moment, but he seems to me like the type who could easily become a table setter in the near future.

these are the guys I draft before Tillman. I pulled this off of my draft tiers ends up being 19 players.

LaMelo Ball
Anthony Edwards
Killian Hayes
Onyeka Okongwu
James Wiseman
Deni Avdija
Isaac Okoro
RJ Hampton
Cole Anthony
Tyrese Maxey
Tyrese Haliburton
Devin Vassell
Josh Green
Patrick Williams
Kira Lewis
Aaron Nesmith
Tyrell Terry
Obi Toppin
Precious Achiuwa

ok thanks...so for you Tillman greater than Bane or Ramsey (or Tyler Bey, Reed, Riller, etc..)

For me:  tough choice between Ramsey, Bane and Tillman, but I got for Ramsey, then Bane, then Tillman...

[CFAN38]

Ok, name the players that, despite who you'd generally like at 26, can't be not taken at 26. 

For example, maybe you want Tillman at 26.  Tell me which player if they fall that far you would have to take over Tillman.  Hampton? 

For me, despite thinking highly of Tillman and recognizing he'd provide help in an area of need, I think if Jahmi'us Ramsey is there at 26 he has to be taken value wise.  (then hope for tillman at 30.

I think Ramsey can be brought along either quickly or slowly, but is definitely ready to help some next year.  I really like comparing him to Smart as to how he plays.  Apparently he has more of a scorer's mentality than playmaking for others at the moment, but he seems to me like the type who could easily become a table setter in the near future.

these are the guys I draft before Tillman. I pulled this off of my draft tiers ends up being 19 players.

LaMelo Ball
Anthony Edwards
Killian Hayes
Onyeka Okongwu
James Wiseman
Deni Avdija
Isaac Okoro
RJ Hampton
Cole Anthony
Tyrese Maxey
Tyrese Haliburton
Devin Vassell
Josh Green
Patrick Williams
Kira Lewis
Aaron Nesmith
Tyrell Terry
Obi Toppin
Precious Achiuwa

ok thanks...so for you Tillman greater than Bane or Ramsey (or Tyler Bey, Reed, Riller, etc..)

I'm going to post my last draft board after measurements are released.

I'm low on Ramsey and have him #39, I have doubts about his ability and IQ in a complimentary role

I like Bane a lot and have him #24, I would be higher on him if it wasn't for his lack of length. I worry that despite his strong frame he will be limited and exploited some by taller longer wings. Still would love him with the 26th pick or a small trade up.

[RodyTur10]

I'd say players that seem like Danny picks would be Cole Anthony and RJ Hampton, two guys that were said to be top prospects who underperformed, for one reason or another.

Normally I would agree with you, but DA conceding that the Cs would be likely drafting for need makes me think he won't consider these guys. We don't need DSJ 2.0 or a guy who was a weak player in the Australian league

14 lewis or terry
26 Smith or Tillman
30 McDaniels

I would be over the moon with Lewis / Terry and Tillman, but personally have Reed and a guy like Desmond Bane ahead of Smith and McDaniels. Need some more shooting or defensive excellence

I'm more optimistic about RJ Hampton's ability to improve. I put him more in the Jaylen Brown bucket (top HS prospect, struggled first year out), but more of a ball handler.  Athleticism is off the charts.  Pretty switchable defending 3 spots (1,2, 3).  If he can improve his jumper, has a very high ceiling. I don't feel that way about Anthony.

RJ Hampton looks like a really raw project to me. He looks really scrawny and he can't shoot.  Hre'd have to improve a lot just to be a late first round pick. No thanks.

Hampton is a gamble with a mid first rounder. Potentially a very high ceiling, but much more likely to bust.
I'll take RJ Hampton over Cole Anthony, but I'm comfortable passing up on both on them.
It's not what our team needs.

The poll added shows there's not really a consensus on who we should pick, is there? 
Only 6 out of 37 voters (so far) chose the same player  .