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Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #915 on: April 26, 2024, 01:02:29 PM »

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Guess the naysayers idiots will come out and say it was a mistake trading away Timelord and Smart for KP and Jrue.
Corrected that for you.

I’m an idiot, but I’d rather have Smart over Jrue straight up. Smart elevates his play in the playoffs, is a lot cheaper, and several years younger.

But I get why we had to make the deal for Porzingis the way we did. It just really sucks that the Clippers pulled out of the original deal. We’d have Smart, TL, and our 2029 pick.

Porzingis in place of Brogdon is a fine trade off imo - even with the inconsistencies. Hopefully he evaluates what he needs to improve upon and bounces back next game and beyond.
I never thought I'd say this but I kind of miss having Smart to take some of the last second shots.  As bad as some of those shots seemed at the time, he was more reliable than Tatum iso's, which never seem to get us points when we really need them.  Smart made us less predictable and he elevated his game in crunch time.

Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #916 on: April 26, 2024, 01:18:30 PM »

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Yeah, the two big off season acquisitions failed us in game 2.  Holiday wasn't very good, Porzingis was worse.  He played worse than you would expect from Kornet.  I still think that you have to make the trade of Smart for Porzingis.  We barely have enough size as it is.  We would be severely limited if we had another guard instead of Porzingis.

The discussion on Holiday vs. Smart is different.  It is a hypothetical to debate if we would be better off with Smart over Holiday, while still having Porzingis, as that scenario didn't happen.  It wasn't a real option.  It almost was, but it wasn't.  It isn't a real trade that you can consider undoing.  I have been saying all season that Holiday has not been much better than Brogdon was last season (that is a real trade you can debate undoing).  That isn't to say Holiday has been bad.  He has been solid.  But how much have we really benefited from that trade?  I would say only a little, and most of that is due to Brogdon's injuries.

I suspect that both these guys bounce back and have good games in MIA.  I know it sounds crazy, but I would consider starting Horford and bringing Porzingis off the bench.  Just for one game.  Just to throw a curveball at MIA.  Still keep the same rotations in general, but just flip the script a little at the start of the game (Horford defends the perimeter much better).  Hopefully jump out to a lead, force MIA to call that first Time Out, then put Porzingis right in to negate any adjustment they would try to put in.

Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #917 on: April 26, 2024, 01:25:14 PM »

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Yeah, the two big off season acquisitions failed us in game 2.  Holiday wasn't very good, Porzingis was worse.  He played worse than you would expect from Kornet.  I still think that you have to make the trade of Smart for Porzingis.  We barely have enough size as it is.  We would be severely limited if we had another guard instead of Porzingis.

The discussion on Holiday vs. Smart is different.  It is a hypothetical to debate if we would be better off with Smart over Holiday, while still having Porzingis, as that scenario didn't happen.  It wasn't a real option.  It almost was, but it wasn't.  It isn't a real trade that you can consider undoing.  I have been saying all season that Holiday has not been much better than Brogdon was last season (that is a real trade you can debate undoing).  That isn't to say Holiday has been bad.  He has been solid.  But how much have we really benefited from that trade?  I would say only a little, and most of that is due to Brogdon's injuries.

I suspect that both these guys bounce back and have good games in MIA.  I know it sounds crazy, but I would consider starting Horford and bringing Porzingis off the bench.  Just for one game.  Just to throw a curveball at MIA.  Still keep the same rotations in general, but just flip the script a little at the start of the game (Horford defends the perimeter much better).  Hopefully jump out to a lead, force MIA to call that first Time Out, then put Porzingis right in to negate any adjustment they would try to put in.

I would love to see Queta get some run with 4 shooters on the floor. He is a monster and Miami has no one who could keep him off the glass. He can also set some bone crushing picks.
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Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #918 on: April 28, 2024, 09:14:36 AM »

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So are we keeping Zinger now or still trading him :angel:
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Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #919 on: April 28, 2024, 09:19:17 AM »

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So are we keeping Zinger now or still trading him :angel:

Back off the trading block I guess.  Kornet did get in for 5 minutes when Porzingis got into a little early foul trouble, managed to be -6 in those 5 minutes.  No sign of Queta.  I would have been fine if Queta had gotten those 5 minutes.  I get why they are more comfortable with Kornet, but to me, Kornet, Queta, Tillman, are all about the same.  None of them are nearly as good as Horford or Porzingis.

Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #920 on: April 28, 2024, 07:54:04 PM »

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So are we keeping Zinger now or still trading him :angel:

Back off the trading block I guess.  Kornet did get in for 5 minutes when Porzingis got into a little early foul trouble, managed to be -6 in those 5 minutes.  No sign of Queta.  I would have been fine if Queta had gotten those 5 minutes.  I get why they are more comfortable with Kornet, but to me, Kornet, Queta, Tillman, are all about the same.  None of them are nearly as good as Horford or Porzingis.
The 5 minutes of Kornet was baffling. Miami doesn’t have a tall frontline. Good opportunity for Queta or Tillman, IMO.

Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #921 on: April 29, 2024, 09:11:30 PM »

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According to Woj, it's likely NOT an Achilles injury. More testing to be done tomorrow.

We can definitely survive this series and next round too without KP. Just hoping it's an injury that only keeps him out like 2-3 weeks and nothing more.
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Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #922 on: April 29, 2024, 10:27:27 PM »

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According to Gary Washburn Zinger left the arena in a walking boot.
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Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #923 on: April 29, 2024, 10:40:35 PM »

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According to Gary Washburn Zinger left the arena in a walking boot.
Is that normal for a calf injury?

Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #924 on: April 29, 2024, 10:45:50 PM »

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According to Gary Washburn Zinger left the arena in a walking boot.
Is that normal for a calf injury?
I don’t get why they reported it as “calf tightness” and said he was doubtful to return. We all could see it was more than tightness and he was out. Who were they trying to fool? That said, I don’t know the answer to your question but I would imagine it “could” be precautionary and its presence probably doesn’t tell us anything about the severity.

Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #925 on: April 29, 2024, 11:04:17 PM »

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I read where KD s calf injury turned into his eventual Achilles tendon rupture.

Best KP stay off it .

Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #926 on: April 29, 2024, 11:06:35 PM »

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I read where KD s calf injury turned into his eventual Achilles tendon rupture.

Best KP stay off it .

yup, put him in a bacta tank for a week

Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #927 on: April 29, 2024, 11:12:54 PM »

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Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #928 on: April 30, 2024, 01:53:07 AM »

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According to Gary Washburn Zinger left the arena in a walking boot.
Is that normal for a calf injury?

It just makes it easier to walk and manage symptoms for any lower leg injuries. So either it hurts to walk, or they don't want him to do further damage, or both.
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Re: Shams: Porzingis to Boston?
« Reply #929 on: April 30, 2024, 04:32:12 AM »

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The fact that he’s not using any crutches and is walking on his own power make me feel better. Hopefully it’s just a mild calf strain.