Celtics GM challenge. Trade for A Big man.

[KG Living Legend]

 For the purpose of this discussion. Only 1 asset is untouchable. Tatum. Every player and all picks are on the table.

 Let's stay away from Anthony Davis trades too.

 Instead of bashing posters propasls, let's discuss what needs to be added to accomplish a trade.

 First proposal is Hayward and Yabu plus a draft pick. I was thinking Memphis but again chime in what's is in your opinion fair trade value.

 For Mirotic currently avg 20.6 ppg 11.7 rpg expiring contract. and Randle 2 years left. Avg 17 ppg 7 RPG. And salary filler Wes Johnson.

 Would the Pelicans need Rozier to make it work?


 Does this make the Celtics better. I believe so.

[Who]

I am happy to trade Tatum if gets Anthony Davis or Karl Anthony Towns. Maybe Ayton.

Tatum is not untouchable.

[Who]

First proposal is Hayward and Yabu plus a draft pick. I was thinking Memphis but again chime in what's is in your opinion fair trade value.

 For Mirotic currently avg 20.6 ppg 11.7 rpg expiring contract. and Randle 2 years left. Avg 17 ppg 7 RPG. And salary filler Wes Johnson.

 Would the Pelicans need Rozier to make it work?


 Does this make the Celtics better. I believe so.

I am only trading one of Jaylen, Tatum, Kyrie, Hayward, Horford if ... we are getting back a player with genuine star talent.

I am not trading any one of those guys for role players. Supporting pieces.

In the trade above = Mirotic and Randle = those guys are role players. I am not giving up someone as talented as Gordon Hayward for those two guys.

[footey]

Yeah enough of this Jason Tatum being untouchable. That ship has sailed.

[Rosco917]

Teams will pay pennies on the dollar for Hayward at this point in his rehabilitation. Plus if he does come back to 100% in 3 or 4 months, we gave away a very nice asset. An asset that can in the future pass the ball, rebound, and score. Something so far neither Brown or Tatum has shown just yet. 

This is the problem...our young players don't earn enough money to create matching salaries. Hayward is rehabilitating, Horford is 32 on a max deal, do you want to move Kyrie? Maybe replace him with Rozier? Terry isn't a PG, how many assists did he have last evening 2-3? While Irving isn't a pure PG, at times he can be.

Other than packaging Rozier with Semi, Yabu, a draft pick or whoever, we're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. What the above package will get us, I'm not too sure.

[Who]

I don't think the Celtics need anything major up front. I would be just looking for a role player rather than a star. So that means not including any of the C's stars. I would instead be looking to deal a Rozier or Smart. Maybe Morris. Or some package of the youth (Yabu, Robert Williams). And/or picks.

But I am not sure any move is necessary. I am happy with Baynes and Theis as role players. I am keeping Robert Williams for 2-3 years to see if he can develop into that role player big man long term. I think the pieces are already here. I do not see a move as necessary.

I think it is more about coaching. Stevens moving one of the SFs (Tatum, Hayward, Jaylen) to the bench and starting one of the bigs (Baynes) in a 20mpg starter role. Just to give the team better lineup balance to open games.

[Rosco917]

I forgot which one of you came up with this lineup of:

Smart
Kyrie
Hayward
Horford
Baynes or Morris


Decent size, experience, a little-added toughness, nice passing, a few scorers who can get their shots. What do we have to lose?

[Chris22]

I forgot which one of you came up with this lineup of:

Smart
Kyrie
Hayward
Horford
Baynes or Morris


Decent size, experience, a little-added toughness, nice passing, a few scorers who can get their shots. What do we have to lose?

I prefer Irving, Brown, Tatum, Horford, and Baynes to start.

[RodyTur10]

I am happy to trade Tatum if gets Anthony Davis or Karl Anthony Towns. Maybe Ayton.

Tatum is not untouchable.

While I agree with Tatum not being untouchable I wouldn't trade him for Ayton. There are a lot of Phoenix fans who are quite unhappy with his almost non-existent defense. I've seen them making comparisons to Okafor. Although that might be an exaggeration, I take fans' opinions on their own team very seriously.

[RodyTur10]

I forgot which one of you came up with this lineup of:

Smart
Kyrie
Hayward
Horford
Baynes or Morris


Decent size, experience, a little-added toughness, nice passing, a few scorers who can get their shots. What do we have to lose?

I prefer Irving, Brown, Tatum, Horford, and Baynes to start.

Me too. Give Hayward the responsibility and touches to lead the second unit and let Rozier play off-ball.

[Who]

I am happy to trade Tatum if gets Anthony Davis or Karl Anthony Towns. Maybe Ayton.

Tatum is not untouchable.

While I agree with Tatum not being untouchable I wouldn't trade him for Ayton. There are a lot of Phoenix fans who are quite unhappy with his almost non-existent defense. I've seen them making comparisons to Okafor. Although that might be an exaggeration, I take fans' opinions on their own team very seriously.

Yes. That is accurate. Not an exaggeration.

But Ayton is not like J.Okafor. Okafor was physically incapable of playing NBA caliber defense. Ayton is not. Ayton has the physical capacity to be a plus defender. No amount of training or effort was going to turn Okafor into a good defender. He was simply too slow laterally and vertically. Training and effort will turn Ayton into a good defender. He has the tools. Just not the know-how or dedication (currently) to do it. 

So I am willing to take a chance on that with Ayton. Whereas I would not have with J.Okafor.

[Kuberski33]

I don't think the Celtics need anything major up front. I would be just looking for a role player rather than a star. So that means not including any of the C's stars. I would instead be looking to deal a Rozier or Smart. Maybe Morris. Or some package of the youth (Yabu, Robert Williams). And/or picks.

But I am not sure any move is necessary. I am happy with Baynes and Theis as role players. I am keeping Robert Williams for 2-3 years to see if he can develop into that role player big man long term. I think the pieces are already here. I do not see a move as necessary.

I think it is more about coaching. Stevens moving one of the SFs (Tatum, Hayward, Jaylen) to the bench and starting one of the bigs (Baynes) in a 20mpg starter role. Just to give the team better lineup balance to open games.

Maybe it's time to find out whether Yabu is ever going to help them before they start making deals. Theis's loss does hurt in the short term.

[rondofan1255]

Not sure how the salaries would match but Dedmon (7M expiring) Markieff Morris (8.6M expiring) and Montrezl Harrell (2yr/12M) are intriguing.

[Birdman]

No one gotta touch Hayward with that big contract and he has a long way to go to be what he once was

[Moranis]

Rozier for Poeltl is the trade I keep coming back to.