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Re: Collins to Utah for Rudy Gay
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2023, 02:28:52 PM »

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That is a pretty cool trade for a team that already has Markkanen, Olynyk, Kessler and the 6-9 PF they just drafted whose name escapes me.

Loads of power forwards. 4 PFs. 2 who will want 35mpg. 2 who are worth 25-30mpg.

I guess they are going to be playing big at forward all season. Shades of the 1990s with NY playing A Mason, Oakley, C Smith only this Utah team is the finesse version of that.

maybe Danny realized that drafting guards was the wrong thing to do!   ;D
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Re: Collins to Utah for Rudy Gay
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2023, 02:33:08 PM »

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Lol. We've been hearing about a John Collins trade for years and this is the big return?
Danny Fleeces again. KO is probably on the block now.
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Re: Collins to Utah for Rudy Gay
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2023, 02:35:05 PM »

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It is really hard to even put this into perspective.  He is signed for $25M-$26M for 3 more seasons.  It was not that long ago where he put up back to back seasons with about 20/10 and has two seasons over 39%  from 3.  What the heck happened?

I can't help but compare Collins to Grant.  If Collins is a throw away contract at $25M, where does that put Grant?  Is Collins even better than Grant at this point?   If Collins is not worth $25M, what is his market value, how many wins is he worth?  He played decent in the playoffs against us.  He wasn't great but played like he belonged on the court.  It's not like he was horrible, just kind of unimpactful.

Re: Collins to Utah for Rudy Gay
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2023, 02:38:06 PM »

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It is really hard to even put this into perspective.  He is signed for $25M-$26M for 3 more seasons.  It was not that long ago where he put up back to back seasons with about 20/10 and has two seasons over 39%  from 3.  What the heck happened?

I can't help but compare Collins to Grant.  If Collins is a throw away contract at $25M, where does that put Grant?  Is Collins even better than Grant at this point?   If Collins is not worth $25M, what is his market value, how many wins is he worth?  He played decent in the playoffs against us.  He wasn't great but played like he belonged on the court.  It's not like he was horrible, just kind of unimpactful.


He broke his finger on his shooting hand a while ago and it never healed properly, and it's still bad enough to affect his shot. From what I've read about it, doesn't seem like there's much they can do and it's a permanent issue.

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Re: Collins to Utah for Rudy Gay
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2023, 02:45:44 PM »

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Complete dump...

Yep, total dump.  People wanted to trade Marcus or Jaylen for him.

I definitely saw some Collins/Hunter for Jaylen proposals lol

Re: Collins to Utah for Rudy Gay
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2023, 02:46:13 PM »

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They gave him away. Says a lot… Glad the C’s didn’t make a move for Collins. Very overrated and overpaid player, IMO.
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Re: Collins to Utah for Rudy Gay
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2023, 03:08:14 PM »

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Lol. We've been hearing about a John Collins trade for years and this is the big return?

Many on here wanted us to trade Marcus Smart straight up for him.

Marcus Smart was worth an almost-all-star big man and 2 first round picks.

Collins was worth an absolute salary dump and a second round pick.

Re: Collins to Utah for Rudy Gay
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2023, 03:21:12 PM »

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Lol. We've been hearing about a John Collins trade for years and this is the big return?
Danny Fleeces again. KO is probably on the block now.

KO and Clarkson for Brogdon and Pritchard. Who says no?

Re: Collins to Utah for Rudy Gay
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2023, 03:29:37 PM »

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Lol. We've been hearing about a John Collins trade for years and this is the big return?
Danny Fleeces again. KO is probably on the block now.

KO and Clarkson for Brogdon and Pritchard. Who says no?

Clarkson when he declines his player option.

Re: Collins to Utah for Rudy Gay
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2023, 03:33:58 PM »

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G: C Sexton, K Dunn
G: J Clarkson, K George
F: Markannen, Sensebaugh
F: J Collins, Taylor Hendricks
C: Kessler, Olynyk


That is a big versatile frontcourt.
This could go the other way, easily. Couple of rookies on the depth chart and Kris Dunn as backup PG. I bet Ainge will continue to deal, it's not an Ainge "you need elite players" roster.

Re: Collins to Utah for Rudy Gay
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2023, 03:35:10 PM »

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Re: Collins to Utah for Rudy Gay
« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2023, 03:38:41 PM »

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Lol. We've been hearing about a John Collins trade for years and this is the big return?
Danny Fleeces again. KO is probably on the block now.

KO and Clarkson for Brogdon and Pritchard. Who says no?

Clarkson when he declines his player option.

Opt-in to play for a contender like Zinger just did.

Re: Collins to Utah for Rudy Gay
« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2023, 03:39:53 PM »

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Lol. We've been hearing about a John Collins trade for years and this is the big return?
Danny Fleeces again. KO is probably on the block now.

KO and Clarkson for Brogdon and Pritchard. Who says no?

Clarkson when he declines his player option.

Opt-in to play for a contender like Zinger just did.

He’s opting in for dollars only, and he seems like a player who overvalues his earning potential.

Re: Collins to Utah for Rudy Gay
« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2023, 03:45:48 PM »

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Atlanta’s getting. Brogdon-sized TPE, and Brogdon is from Atlanta.  Bogdanovic for Brogdon?  (That trade doesn’t even require the TPE, but does require waiting until September).

Re: Collins to Utah for Rudy Gay
« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2023, 03:49:47 PM »

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Lol. We've been hearing about a John Collins trade for years and this is the big return?
Danny Fleeces again. KO is probably on the block now.

KO and Clarkson for Brogdon and Pritchard. Who says no?

Clarkson when he declines his player option.

Opt-in to play for a contender like Zinger just did.

He’s opting in for dollars only, and he seems like a player who overvalues his earning potential.

He has so far. But he's not at that point in his career now. And frankly, tell me who is going to pay him?