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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: Phantom255x on November 17, 2017, 08:10:59 PM
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https://nesn.com/2017/11/why-chris-broussard-believes-celtics-success-could-impact-lebron-james-future/
No, this article doesn't say that LBJ will join PHI, but it's Chris Broussard saying that if the Celtics, say, pull it off and beat CLE in the ECF (playoffs), then it would be an EXTREMELY bad look for Lebron to leave Cleveland in that case. Basically, the Celtics success this season could have a big effect on the King's off-season plans.
But I was thinking... if Lebron did want to leave Cleveland, we've heard some west teams like Houston or Los Angeles Lakers mentioned, but I also doubt Lebron wants to make it a lot harder to reach the Finals (which would be the case if he went out West), and some of the rumored teams may have extreme trouble fitting Lebron in cap-wise unless Lebron took some massive discount.
So that could mean he tries to stay within the Eastern conference, and two teams he could legitimately look at are the Knicks (w/emergence of Porzingis), and... welp, the Sixers (w/Simmons, Embiid, etc., and I think 76ers are more likely to be honest).
Obviously it all depends on if Simmons and Embiid can stay healthy, and if Fultz can come back and do well, but if they do, and Lebron joins that team.... YIKES. They may run the East for years to come then... :(
So should we be a bit concerned going forward about this possibility?
And where do you truthfully think Lebron goes this summer (or does he stay in CLE rest of his career)?
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Do you think Lebron and Simmons can coexist? I don't think so. Both needs ball in their hands to be effective. Unless Lebron finally realize he needs to defer to younger guys, he's a poor fit for the team.
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It would certainly bring back the old school, hard core Celtics-Sixers rivalry, characterized by sincere hatred and epic physical playoff battles. I would love it if he joined the Sixers!
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In what world does LeBron James lose before The Finals, and then decide come back out of loyalty to Cleveland at age 33? The same LeBron that already left once to form a super team and staged The Decision? In a league where Kevin Durant jumped on a 73 win team?
Fwahahahahahahahah
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So should we be a bit concerned going forward about this possibility?
no.
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In what world does LeBron James lose before The Finals, and then decide come back out of loyalty to Cleveland at age 33? The same LeBron that already left once to form a super team and staged The Decision? In a league where Kevin Durant jumped on a 73 win team?
Fwahahahahahahahah
I mean... if we apply that logic, then Lebron is coming to Boston 2018-2019 :P
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LeBron will try to ring chase and fail. Where ever he goes is still worse than golden state
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LeBron will try to ring chase and fail. Where ever he goes is still worse than golden state
Not that I'm advocating this, but if Lebron joined Boston for cheap and we kept most of this team intact, you still think we can't beat GSW?
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LeBron will try to ring chase and fail. Where ever he goes is still worse than golden state
Not that I'm advocating this, but if Lebron joined Boston for cheap and we kept most of this team intact, you still think we can't beat GSW?
literally impossible for him to come without shaking up the team, unless he takes the vet min or an exception. However he’s said that he will not take a pay cut and he’s advocated for player pay raises
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Warriors lol
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Here's something I've actually been thinking about. In a hypothetical world, where LeBron and Kyrie had no prior relationship, and the C's didn't sign Gordon Hayward last summer but instead have that cap space available next summer, do you think LeBron would consider joining the C's?
While the C's young studs might not be as tantalizing as Philly's, they're still proving to be very legit, plus the rest of the supporting cast is better equipped to help LeBron win now. And as much as LeBron likes to call the shots, you'd have to think he'd love to play for a coach like Stevens and have a cold blooded GM like Ainge.
So in this bizarro world scenario, where Kyrie and LeBron have never played together, and the cap space the C's used to sign Hayward is available next summer, you'd have to think the C's could be at the top of LeBron's list. Definitely crazy to think about, but to me it seems plausible.
I can just see his Players' Tribune article now. "I won championships with my friends in Miami and for my home city of Cleveland, now I want the chance to win a championship with the greatest franchise in basketball history."
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Bill Simmons speculates Lebron joining Philly in his latest Ringer article.
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Bill Simmons speculates Lebron joining Philly in his latest Ringer article.
Yeah it's really catching steam.
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Here's something I've actually been thinking about. In a hypothetical world, where LeBron and Kyrie had no prior relationship, and the C's didn't sign Gordon Hayward last summer but instead have that cap space available next summer, do you think LeBron would consider joining the C's?
While the C's young studs might not be as tantalizing as Philly's, they're still proving to be very legit, plus the rest of the supporting cast is better equipped to help LeBron win now. And as much as LeBron likes to call the shots, you'd have to think he'd love to play for a coach like Stevens and have a cold blooded GM like Ainge.
So in this bizarro world scenario, where Kyrie and LeBron have never played together, and the cap space the C's used to sign Hayward is available next summer, you'd have to think the C's could be at the top of LeBron's list. Definitely crazy to think about, but to me it seems plausible.
I can just see his Players' Tribune article now. "I won championships with my friends in Miami and for my home city of Cleveland, now I want the chance to win a championship with the greatest franchise in basketball history."
I think he would have definitely considered, and I think he still could if it weren't for the salary cap issues C's have now (and Lebron ain't signing here for some "mere" exception lol).
But even Lebron has to believe that with a great coach like Brad Stevens, it could elevate his career and resume EVEN MORE (to the point where you could win more titles and possibly start to legitimately make the Lebron > Jordan comparison).
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Lol the worry warts on this forum sometimes.
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Do you think Lebron and Simmons can coexist? I don't think so. Both needs ball in their hands to be effective. Unless Lebron finally realize he needs to defer to younger guys, he's a poor fit for the team.
While I agree with this to an extent, its not that they can't coexist, it's just that they wouldn't get the best use of their skills on the floor together. If Lebron could dominate along with some trash lineups I've seen him on the floor with, then I think he can still dominate with Simmons, Embiid, Covington, Redick, Fultz, etc.
What would worry me as a celtics fan is not their offense (I do think they'd have have issues with fit) but is their defense. Covington/Lebron/Simmons at the 2-4 with Embiid at the 5 and anybody competent at the 1 is a defense good enough to be #1 in the league.
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Welcome to the LBJ to Philly band wagon. I was getting lonely
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The question really is about whether Lebron James is going to care mostly about basketball at the end of his career, or continuing to build his financial empire.
Going to Philly gives him a chance to win another few championships. Obviously this makes it really hard to win in the East.
Going to LA gives him a chance to becoming a billionaire (or a multi-billionaire).
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Makes sense for Lebron to stay in the East.
But I wouldn’t be happy about it if I were Simmons. He’ll have something to say about it.
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Welcome to the LBJ to Philly band wagon. I was getting lonely
I have always been under the assumption that Lakers have no shot and leant towards him going to Rockets but I think 76ers makes a lot of sense.
1. He has young talented guys to lean on
2. He has Simmons to play power forward (which he hates to play)
3. He has Covington to do the defensive dirty work.
4. He can stay in the East and be competitive for the foreseeable future.
5. He and Simmons are close and are represented by the same agent.
6. Simmons is sort of heir apparent, he can use the excuse of wanting to mentoring him.
The only problem I see is that, similar to the problem with Love, Embiid and Simmons occupy the same spaces in the post and top of the key that Lebron does so it makes 2 of the 3 some what redundant at times.
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Sixers aren't going anywhere with or without LBJ, but if Warriors and Cavs both didn't win the final i can see him join Curry and KD to form big 5
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I may be the minority but I believe whoever gives LeBron a max contract (he'll want one eventually) is going to really regret it. Based on historical data, after 2 more years he's a vet minimum type player (like where Wade is at now). He has too much mileage and his game relies too much on athleticism (he's no ray Allen, for example).
Someone is about ready to pay full price for a Ferrari with 150k miles.
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I may be the minority but I believe whoever gives LeBron a max contract (he'll want one eventually) is going to really regret it. Based on historical data, after 2 more years he's a vet minimum player. He has too much mileage and his game relies too much on athleticism (he's no ray Allen, for example)
Nah, he won't fall that far. He does rely on his athleticism to attack the basket, but he still has a lot of facets of his game that are built on skill or non-eroding talent - court vision, handle, post game. Also, he's shooting 39% from three this year - not exactly a liability.
He may have two more years of being arguably the best player on the planet, but I expect him to have a few more years of way above average ball in him after that.
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I may be the minority but I believe whoever gives LeBron a max contract (he'll want one eventually) is going to really regret it. Based on historical data, after 2 more years he's a vet minimum player. He has too much mileage and his game relies too much on athleticism (he's no ray Allen, for example)
Nah, he won't fall that far. He does rely on his athleticism to attack the basket, but he still has a lot of facets of his game that are built on skill or non-eroding talent - court vision, handle, post game. Also, he's shooting 39% from three this year - not exactly a liability.
He may have two more years of being arguably the best player on the planet, but I expect him to have a few more years of way above average ball in him after that.
Let's be honest no one is paying a max contract for LeBron to shoot 3s. If he can't attack the basket anymore he's not going to draw doubles for the dishes. Other than driving to th basket, he's just an average player currently. In 2 more years even worse. I wouldn't give him a max on the Celtics. I'd give him a 1 year + 1.
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I may be the minority but I believe whoever gives LeBron a max contract (he'll want one eventually) is going to really regret it. Based on historical data, after 2 more years he's a vet minimum type player (like where Wade is at now). He has too much mileage and his game relies too much on athleticism (he's no ray Allen, for example).
Someone is about ready to pay full price for a Ferrari with 150k miles.
I'm not sure of that, you can't compare players today to past drop offs, sheerly on advancement of sports science. Look at Tom Brady, he is running faster and throwing further than 5 years ago, you need to be an extremely disciplined individual and have money behind you but they are capable of amazing things these days. Lebron spends 1.5 million dollars on his own sports science and this isn't including Cavs facilities and staff, it is no coincidence that he is never injured and is continuing to improve even as he ages. Jordan barely was injured or dropped off physically in 90's-00's and he wouldn't have done half the stuff that James does, Jordan for example use to eat steak and potatoes before games and now elite athlete would hardly touch either.
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Nope.
The Boston Celtics team that I saw last night against GSW can beat ANY team.
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This thread title is embarrassing to me as a Celtics Fan on this board honestly. I feel like we are letting 76ers fans troll us on our own board. I think I like and enjoy Simmons, embiid and Covington more than the casual basketball fan. I think they have a really great future and will be a big threat in the next 5 years. Given all that is absolutely insane to me that we have the over the tap fans on this board (I guess of philly) going nuts when philly beats a clippers team with 9 active players down 3 starters and doesn't even comment on a 10-5 Minnesota team that added jimmy butler. Now we somehow have Lebron joining a team with teammates 10-15 years younger than him, with a franchise player that is extremely ball dominant? It's embarrassing. Let's stop this now
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I may be the minority but I believe whoever gives LeBron a max contract (he'll want one eventually) is going to really regret it. Based on historical data, after 2 more years he's a vet minimum player. He has too much mileage and his game relies too much on athleticism (he's no ray Allen, for example)
Nah, he won't fall that far. He does rely on his athleticism to attack the basket, but he still has a lot of facets of his game that are built on skill or non-eroding talent - court vision, handle, post game. Also, he's shooting 39% from three this year - not exactly a liability.
He may have two more years of being arguably the best player on the planet, but I expect him to have a few more years of way above average ball in him after that.
Completely agree. You have to respect his drive and commitment. Beyond his gifts, the man works as hard as anyone, and he's smart about it; he keeps picking up new wrinkles to his game. The game he went nuclear on the wizards earlier this year, most of his buckets were postups. That wasn't in his game, or it was barely in his game, 5-10 years ago. His timing, body control, and passing are really elite. He's going to keep figuring out what he can do with his old-man strength, long-range shooting and knowledge of the game., and assuming he's healthy he'll stay very good for a long while.
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He gets a lot of praise about his conditioning too. Any team he's with will be a challenge to anyone in the league.
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Embiid up to now has been fragile. Simmons is not a winner. Fultz looks to be a dud. LeBron is a mess right now. Why not add one more loser to the fold?
you have to respect his drive and commitment.
Getting to the finals and losing because that is a drive I see most of the time.
Beyond his gifts, the man works as hard as anyone, and he's smart about it; he keeps picking up new wrinkles to his game. The game he went nuclear on the wizards earlier this year, most of his buckets were postups. That wasn't in his game, or it was barely in his game, 5-10 years ago.
He has a better supporting cast than he had when he came into the league but he is no longer carrying the team the way he used to do so in terms of the Cavs. He is not a leader. Sabotages most of the coaches he has ever had. That being said he is still a great player.
His timing, body control, and passing are really elite. He's going to keep figuring out what he can do with his old-man strength, long-range shooting and knowledge of the game
Definitely an elite player. I don't think he will age nearly as well as you do. We are already seeing signs of some athletic fading. He won't take it well because he has never handled adversity well.
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I still think he juices or does HGH.
It is pretty much unprecedented that an athlete his size plays this many games without any serious injury.
He is especially large this year, playing huge minutes, at 32 or 33 years of age. Unbelievable.
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Why are worrying about what LeBron does.... our goal should be to become a steady force in the league... I think we are progressing every year so at some point we will be championship challengers... LeBron will be 34 next summer..
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I still think he juices or does HGH.
It is pretty much unprecedented that an athlete his size plays this many games without any serious injury.
He is especially large this year, playing huge minutes, at 32 or 33 years of age. Unbelievable.
I suspect he does HGH. I have never seen him gotten a season-ending injury or a serious injury before. Especially for his caliber of player.
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We are/will be good enough to just have to worry about ourselves. But Lebron in Philly is a strong option for him and a would give us a great renewal of historic rivalry. He would also stay in the east, that has been his constant. I kind of like it. Even though my boy Šarić would definitely be gone then.
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This thread title is embarrassing to me as a Celtics Fan on this board honestly. I feel like we are letting 76ers fans troll us on our own board. I think I like and enjoy Simmons, embiid and Covington more than the casual basketball fan. I think they have a really great future and will be a big threat in the next 5 years. Given all that is absolutely insane to me that we have the over the tap fans on this board (I guess of philly) going nuts when philly beats a clippers team with 9 active players down 3 starters and doesn't even comment on a 10-5 Minnesota team that added jimmy butler. Now we somehow have Lebron joining a team with teammates 10-15 years younger than him, with a franchise player that is extremely ball dominant? It's embarrassing. Let's stop this now
This. TP.
Why don't we just enjoy this REAL winning streak and stop worrying about a HYPOTHETICAL future?
Sometimes I think we are soooo undeserving of this team :-\
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As others have said, Simmons and Lebron are redundant. But even more important is that I don't think Lebron would want to pin his late career title hopes to Embiid's health.
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I still think he juices or does HGH.
It is pretty much unprecedented that an athlete his size plays this many games without any serious injury.
He is especially large this year, playing huge minutes, at 32 or 33 years of age. Unbelievable.
I suspect he does HGH. I have never seen him gotten a season-ending injury or a serious injury before. Especially for his caliber of player.
I mean, he could. But the odds are that if he does, many other NBA players are doing so as well, and they still get injured. The NBA is in its third season of blood testing for hGH (two tests in season and one out of season). I don’t believe they’ve yet caught anyone.
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Embiid up to now has been fragile. Simmons is not a winner. Fultz looks to be a dud. LeBron is a mess right now. Why not add one more loser to the fold?
you have to respect his drive and commitment.
Getting to the finals and losing because that is a drive I see most of the time.
Beyond his gifts, the man works as hard as anyone, and he's smart about it; he keeps picking up new wrinkles to his game. The game he went nuclear on the wizards earlier this year, most of his buckets were postups. That wasn't in his game, or it was barely in his game, 5-10 years ago.
He has a better supporting cast than he had when he came into the league but he is no longer carrying the team the way he used to do so in terms of the Cavs. He is not a leader. Sabotages most of the coaches he has ever had. That being said he is still a great player.
His timing, body control, and passing are really elite. He's going to keep figuring out what he can do with his old-man strength, long-range shooting and knowledge of the game
Definitely an elite player. I don't think he will age nearly as well as you do. We are already seeing signs of some athletic fading. He won't take it well because he has never handled adversity well.
You say he isn’t carrying his team. Did you watch last year’s finals? He was the best player on the court, either team, though Durant was close. He was playing better than forty minutes a night, and his team basically lost the series in the few minutes he sat. This was against a team with at least 2, maybe 3, HOF players hat crushed western conference opponents in the playoffs. I’m not sure what else he was supposed to do.
This year his efficiency is up there at career peaks, still at a ridiculously high volume. People say he’s lost explosiveness. He probably has. But I still see him routinely get downhill on the leavue’s best shot lockers and convert his shots at the rim at an elite rate.
I do agree that he’s so ball dominant he may undermine his team’s potential, and while I don’t know if for a fact, it doesn’t seem like he listens to his coaches. I would love to see what would happen if he played for a CBS or Steve Kerr and decided to buy in to a system. Maybe he’ll change as he ages; probably not. That might be the most important thing: what does he want to do with his last years in the league. Would he share the crown.
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You say he isn’t carrying his team. Did you watch last year’s finals? He was the best player on the court, either team, though Durant was close. He was playing better than forty minutes a night, and his team basically lost the series in the few minutes he sat. This was against a team with at least 2, maybe 3, HOF players hat crushed western conference opponents in the playoffs. I’m not sure what else he was supposed to do
Great players win. Face it, he is a Jerry West or Wilt Chamberlain not a Michael Jordan. Still great but not a winner.
People say he’s lost explosiveness. He probably has. But I still see him routinely get downhill on the leavue’s best shot lockers and convert his shots at the rim at an elite rate.
He has lost some but he had such great to begin he is probably on par with the league still. One of the reason he is a shot locker (blocker) is the league officiates differnetly for him. He can freely pin balls on the backboard when it is a goal tending for anyone else.
I do agree that he’s so ball dominant he may undermine his team’s potential, and while I don’t know if for a fact, it doesn’t seem like he listens to his coaches. I would love to see what would happen if he played for a CBS or Steve Kerr and decided to buy in to a system. Maybe he’ll change as he ages; probably not. That might be the most important thing: what does he want to do with his last years in the league. Would he share the crown.
I live in Ohio. I am a Celtics Fan and have never been a LeBron fan because I always have to hear about him. I can say with 100% that I never want to see this egotistic pompous guy never on the Celtics. I am probably more than a little biased against him. He is a great player but its always been more me than team. The crown stuff is nauseating to him. What exactly is the King of again? It ain't winning finals. He has been the best player in the league for a decade perhaps that is it. But father time beats all men.
I don't root for guys that don't wear the Celtics uniform, if I did I would be on their blog. You have every right to post whatever you want here. But we are going to have to agree to disagree.
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We are/will be good enough to just have to worry about ourselves. But Lebron in Philly is a strong option for him and a would give us a great renewal of historic rivalry. He would also stay in the east, that has been his constant. I kind of like it. Even though my boy Šarić would definitely be gone then.
It would rejuvenate the rivalry but man the Sixers would be so good... :o
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You say he isn’t carrying his team. Did you watch last year’s finals? He was the best player on the court, either team, though Durant was close. He was playing better than forty minutes a night, and his team basically lost the series in the few minutes he sat. This was against a team with at least 2, maybe 3, HOF players hat crushed western conference opponents in the playoffs. I’m not sure what else he was supposed to do
Great players win. Face it, he is a Jerry West or Wilt Chamberlain not a Michael Jordan. Still great but not a winner.
People say he’s lost explosiveness. He probably has. But I still see him routinely get downhill on the leavue’s best shot lockers and convert his shots at the rim at an elite rate.
He has lost some but he had such great to begin he is probably on par with the league still. One of the reason he is a shot locker (blocker) is the league officiates differnetly for him. He can freely pin balls on the backboard when it is a goal tending for anyone else.
I do agree that he’s so ball dominant he may undermine his team’s potential, and while I don’t know if for a fact, it doesn’t seem like he listens to his coaches. I would love to see what would happen if he played for a CBS or Steve Kerr and decided to buy in to a system. Maybe he’ll change as he ages; probably not. That might be the most important thing: what does he want to do with his last years in the league. Would he share the crown.
I live in Ohio. I am a Celtics Fan and have never been a LeBron fan because I always have to hear about him. I can say with 100% that I never want to see this egotistic pompous guy never on the Celtics. I am probably more than a little biased against him. He is a great player but its always been more me than team. The crown stuff is nauseating to him. What exactly is the King of again? It ain't winning finals. He has been the best player in the league for a decade perhaps that is it. But father time beats all men.
I don't root for guys that don't wear the Celtics uniform, if I did I would be on their blog. You have every right to post whatever you want here. But we are going to have to agree to disagree.
I grew up in Worcester and I generally do cheer for any Celtic. At one time I loved to hate LBJ. Time has come that I have a huge, grudging respect for his work ethic and skill. I think you’re underselling a lot of the winning he has done. But I do take your point that he might have undermined himself with some of the decisions he’s made. Sometimes great players are too stubborn and proud for their own good.
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This thread title is embarrassing to me as a Celtics Fan on this board honestly. I feel like we are letting 76ers fans troll us on our own board. I think I like and enjoy Simmons, embiid and Covington more than the casual basketball fan. I think they have a really great future and will be a big threat in the next 5 years. Given all that is absolutely insane to me that we have the over the tap fans on this board (I guess of philly) going nuts when philly beats a clippers team with 9 active players down 3 starters and doesn't even comment on a 10-5 Minnesota team that added jimmy butler. Now we somehow have Lebron joining a team with teammates 10-15 years younger than him, with a franchise player that is extremely ball dominant? It's embarrassing. Let's stop this now
Who went nuts about the Sixers beating the Clippers? They also beat the Rockets and no one went nuts. The Sixers have played one of the toughest schedules so far with 10 road games out of 14. If they can finish .500 in the 1st half of the season and Embiid stays healthy, they should make the playoffs since their 2nd half schedule is much easier. That would be a good result for their season.
Why would the TWolves get many comments? They are in the West and aren't getting by GSW. Butler certainly makes them better. They lost the 2 games he didn't play by 20+ points. Wiggins and Towns have played 3+ and 2+ years. The last 1+ years playing for Thibs and they are still poor defenders.
If Lebron leaves the Cavs, he doesn't have any great options. If I'm the Sixers, I wouldn't pursue Lebron and would hope that Lebron didn't express any public interest in being on the Sixers. The Lebron/Simmons fit would be problematic but could be worked around. The Lebron baggage would be a lot more difficult. He's not just going to come in and fit into their system. How would he work with Coach Brown who their players like and respect?
If I'm the Sixers, the player I'd probably pursue first would be Paul George. He's a better fit for their system, he doesn't have the baggage and he's 5 years younger. George, Embiid, Simmons, Covington plus Fultz, if he gets his act together, would be a threat to be worried about.
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As others have said, Simmons and Lebron are redundant. But even more important is that I don't think Lebron would want to pin his late career title hopes to Embiid's health.
Well if Embiid stays healthy most of this season (we'll see), and Simmons keeps it up and wins ROTY, it definitely looks real enticing (esp. with rise of Covington, too).
But it's weird, because I feel if Lebron leaves CLE again and joins a team like this, it will make him look even worse than Durant honestly, ESPECIALLY if the Celtics beat Lebron's team in the ECF (sort of like how it went 2010, Lebron loses to Boston, leaves for a better-equipped team w/more potential & opportunity).
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I don't think Lebron wants to go to LA so he can win basketball games, I think he wants to go to LA because he wants to live in LA.
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I could totally see Lebron joining the Sixers. He will choose the best team for him to have a chance at winning more titles and going west makes little sense as there are too many good teams. I would also love to see Lebron quit on his teammates in an ECF vs the Celtics one more time in my life. It would be priceless.
In the East, they make the most sense for him to get back to the finals and win. I mean he could go to Houston or Warriors and take less money but we know that will never happen.
If his desire to win more titles is over, then Lakers make a ton of sense for him. But, I would also not count out the Lakers signing two superstars to add to their youth. But, in reality, that will not be enough to beat the Warriors who would still be superior.
Should be interesting to see the decision part 2.
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This thread title is embarrassing to me as a Celtics Fan on this board honestly. I feel like we are letting 76ers fans troll us on our own board. I think I like and enjoy Simmons, embiid and Covington more than the casual basketball fan. I think they have a really great future and will be a big threat in the next 5 years. Given all that is absolutely insane to me that we have the over the tap fans on this board (I guess of philly) going nuts when philly beats a clippers team with 9 active players down 3 starters and doesn't even comment on a 10-5 Minnesota team that added jimmy butler. Now we somehow have Lebron joining a team with teammates 10-15 years younger than him, with a franchise player that is extremely ball dominant? It's embarrassing. Let's stop this now
Who went nuts about the Sixers beating the Clippers? They also beat the Rockets and no one went nuts. The Sixers have played one of the toughest schedules so far with 10 road games out of 14. If they can finish .500 in the 1st half of the season and Embiid stays healthy, they should make the playoffs since their 2nd half schedule is much easier. That would be a good result for their season.
Why would the TWolves get many comments? They are in the West and aren't getting by GSW. Butler certainly makes them better. They lost the 2 games he didn't play by 20+ points. Wiggins and Towns have played 3+ and 2+ years. The last 1+ years playing for Thibs and they are still poor defenders.
If Lebron leaves the Cavs, he doesn't have any great options. If I'm the Sixers, I wouldn't pursue Lebron and would hope that Lebron didn't express any public interest in being on the Sixers. The Lebron/Simmons fit would be problematic but could be worked around. The Lebron baggage would be a lot more difficult. He's not just going to come in and fit into their system. How would he work with Coach Brown who their players like and respect?
If I'm the Sixers, the player I'd probably pursue first would be Paul George. He's a better fit for their system, he doesn't have the baggage and he's 5 years younger. George, Embiid, Simmons, Covington plus Fultz, if he gets his act together, would be a threat to be worried about.
There were probably 5-6 posts talking about the 76ers beating the clippers (a pretty awful team right now) and not a single post about the twolves dominating the spurs within a night of a each other (a much better team). Obviously we have either some actual 76er fans here (I know one got suspended or booted for making dark Len bias jokes). It has obviously been a problem on this board to the point the point the mods merged and created an all things 76ers thread because people were flooding the board with 76ers stuff (it has gotten better than since then). I am sure the 76ers fans would be equally annoyed if I created a "if the celtics get Antonio Davis will they dominate us for a half decade" thread.
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This thread title is embarrassing to me as a Celtics Fan on this board honestly. I feel like we are letting 76ers fans troll us on our own board. I think I like and enjoy Simmons, embiid and Covington more than the casual basketball fan. I think they have a really great future and will be a big threat in the next 5 years. Given all that is absolutely insane to me that we have the over the tap fans on this board (I guess of philly) going nuts when philly beats a clippers team with 9 active players down 3 starters and doesn't even comment on a 10-5 Minnesota team that added jimmy butler. Now we somehow have Lebron joining a team with teammates 10-15 years younger than him, with a franchise player that is extremely ball dominant? It's embarrassing. Let's stop this now
Who went nuts about the Sixers beating the Clippers? They also beat the Rockets and no one went nuts. The Sixers have played one of the toughest schedules so far with 10 road games out of 14. If they can finish .500 in the 1st half of the season and Embiid stays healthy, they should make the playoffs since their 2nd half schedule is much easier. That would be a good result for their season.
Why would the TWolves get many comments? They are in the West and aren't getting by GSW. Butler certainly makes them better. They lost the 2 games he didn't play by 20+ points. Wiggins and Towns have played 3+ and 2+ years. The last 1+ years playing for Thibs and they are still poor defenders.
If Lebron leaves the Cavs, he doesn't have any great options. If I'm the Sixers, I wouldn't pursue Lebron and would hope that Lebron didn't express any public interest in being on the Sixers. The Lebron/Simmons fit would be problematic but could be worked around. The Lebron baggage would be a lot more difficult. He's not just going to come in and fit into their system. How would he work with Coach Brown who their players like and respect?
If I'm the Sixers, the player I'd probably pursue first would be Paul George. He's a better fit for their system, he doesn't have the baggage and he's 5 years younger. George, Embiid, Simmons, Covington plus Fultz, if he gets his act together, would be a threat to be worried about.
There were probably 5-6 posts talking about the 76ers beating the clippers (a pretty awful team right now) and not a single post about the twolves dominating the spurs within a night of a each other (a much better team). Obviously we have either some actual 76er fans here (I know one got suspended or booted for making dark Len bias jokes). It has obviously been a problem on this board to the point the point the mods merged and created an all things 76ers thread because people were flooding the board with 76ers stuff (it has gotten better than since then). I am sure the 76ers fans would be equally annoyed if I created a "if the celtics get Antonio Davis will they dominate us for a half decade" thread.
Almost all of the Sixers threads were started by Sixers bashers. This one is a nice if somewhat silly change of pace.
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This thread title is embarrassing to me as a Celtics Fan on this board honestly. I feel like we are letting 76ers fans troll us on our own board. I think I like and enjoy Simmons, embiid and Covington more than the casual basketball fan. I think they have a really great future and will be a big threat in the next 5 years. Given all that is absolutely insane to me that we have the over the tap fans on this board (I guess of philly) going nuts when philly beats a clippers team with 9 active players down 3 starters and doesn't even comment on a 10-5 Minnesota team that added jimmy butler. Now we somehow have Lebron joining a team with teammates 10-15 years younger than him, with a franchise player that is extremely ball dominant? It's embarrassing. Let's stop this now
Who went nuts about the Sixers beating the Clippers? They also beat the Rockets and no one went nuts. The Sixers have played one of the toughest schedules so far with 10 road games out of 14. If they can finish .500 in the 1st half of the season and Embiid stays healthy, they should make the playoffs since their 2nd half schedule is much easier. That would be a good result for their season.
Why would the TWolves get many comments? They are in the West and aren't getting by GSW. Butler certainly makes them better. They lost the 2 games he didn't play by 20+ points. Wiggins and Towns have played 3+ and 2+ years. The last 1+ years playing for Thibs and they are still poor defenders.
If Lebron leaves the Cavs, he doesn't have any great options. If I'm the Sixers, I wouldn't pursue Lebron and would hope that Lebron didn't express any public interest in being on the Sixers. The Lebron/Simmons fit would be problematic but could be worked around. The Lebron baggage would be a lot more difficult. He's not just going to come in and fit into their system. How would he work with Coach Brown who their players like and respect?
If I'm the Sixers, the player I'd probably pursue first would be Paul George. He's a better fit for their system, he doesn't have the baggage and he's 5 years younger. George, Embiid, Simmons, Covington plus Fultz, if he gets his act together, would be a threat to be worried about.
There were probably 5-6 posts talking about the 76ers beating the clippers (a pretty awful team right now) and not a single post about the twolves dominating the spurs within a night of a each other (a much better team). Obviously we have either some actual 76er fans here (I know one got suspended or booted for making dark Len bias jokes). It has obviously been a problem on this board to the point the point the mods merged and created an all things 76ers thread because people were flooding the board with 76ers stuff (it has gotten better than since then). I am sure the 76ers fans would be equally annoyed if I created a "if the celtics get Antonio Davis will they dominate us for a half decade" thread.
it is pretty easy to understand why the Sixers would be talked about more than the Wolves. The Sixers are not only in the East but also in the Atlantic. Thus Boston has to play them a lot and may very well play them in the playoffs not just this year but for years to come. People also hate the blatant tanking and the fact that it appears to have worked just rubs people the wrong way. The wolves aren't those things.
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This thread title is embarrassing to me as a Celtics Fan on this board honestly. I feel like we are letting 76ers fans troll us on our own board. I think I like and enjoy Simmons, embiid and Covington more than the casual basketball fan. I think they have a really great future and will be a big threat in the next 5 years. Given all that is absolutely insane to me that we have the over the tap fans on this board (I guess of philly) going nuts when philly beats a clippers team with 9 active players down 3 starters and doesn't even comment on a 10-5 Minnesota team that added jimmy butler. Now we somehow have Lebron joining a team with teammates 10-15 years younger than him, with a franchise player that is extremely ball dominant? It's embarrassing. Let's stop this now
Who went nuts about the Sixers beating the Clippers? They also beat the Rockets and no one went nuts. The Sixers have played one of the toughest schedules so far with 10 road games out of 14. If they can finish .500 in the 1st half of the season and Embiid stays healthy, they should make the playoffs since their 2nd half schedule is much easier. That would be a good result for their season.
Why would the TWolves get many comments? They are in the West and aren't getting by GSW. Butler certainly makes them better. They lost the 2 games he didn't play by 20+ points. Wiggins and Towns have played 3+ and 2+ years. The last 1+ years playing for Thibs and they are still poor defenders.
If Lebron leaves the Cavs, he doesn't have any great options. If I'm the Sixers, I wouldn't pursue Lebron and would hope that Lebron didn't express any public interest in being on the Sixers. The Lebron/Simmons fit would be problematic but could be worked around. The Lebron baggage would be a lot more difficult. He's not just going to come in and fit into their system. How would he work with Coach Brown who their players like and respect?
If I'm the Sixers, the player I'd probably pursue first would be Paul George. He's a better fit for their system, he doesn't have the baggage and he's 5 years younger. George, Embiid, Simmons, Covington plus Fultz, if he gets his act together, would be a threat to be worried about.
There were probably 5-6 posts talking about the 76ers beating the clippers (a pretty awful team right now) and not a single post about the twolves dominating the spurs within a night of a each other (a much better team). Obviously we have either some actual 76er fans here (I know one got suspended or booted for making dark Len bias jokes). It has obviously been a problem on this board to the point the point the mods merged and created an all things 76ers thread because people were flooding the board with 76ers stuff (it has gotten better than since then). I am sure the 76ers fans would be equally annoyed if I created a "if the celtics get Antonio Davis will they dominate us for a half decade" thread.
it is pretty easy to understand why the Sixers would be talked about more than the Wolves. The Sixers are not only in the East but also in the Atlantic. Thus Boston has to play them a lot and may very well play them in the playoffs not just this year but for years to come. People also hate the blatant tanking and the fact that it appears to have worked just rubs people the wrong way. The wolves aren't those things.
Moranis didnt the wolves tank also?
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This thread title is embarrassing to me as a Celtics Fan on this board honestly. I feel like we are letting 76ers fans troll us on our own board. I think I like and enjoy Simmons, embiid and Covington more than the casual basketball fan. I think they have a really great future and will be a big threat in the next 5 years. Given all that is absolutely insane to me that we have the over the tap fans on this board (I guess of philly) going nuts when philly beats a clippers team with 9 active players down 3 starters and doesn't even comment on a 10-5 Minnesota team that added jimmy butler. Now we somehow have Lebron joining a team with teammates 10-15 years younger than him, with a franchise player that is extremely ball dominant? It's embarrassing. Let's stop this now
Who went nuts about the Sixers beating the Clippers? They also beat the Rockets and no one went nuts. The Sixers have played one of the toughest schedules so far with 10 road games out of 14. If they can finish .500 in the 1st half of the season and Embiid stays healthy, they should make the playoffs since their 2nd half schedule is much easier. That would be a good result for their season.
Why would the TWolves get many comments? They are in the West and aren't getting by GSW. Butler certainly makes them better. They lost the 2 games he didn't play by 20+ points. Wiggins and Towns have played 3+ and 2+ years. The last 1+ years playing for Thibs and they are still poor defenders.
If Lebron leaves the Cavs, he doesn't have any great options. If I'm the Sixers, I wouldn't pursue Lebron and would hope that Lebron didn't express any public interest in being on the Sixers. The Lebron/Simmons fit would be problematic but could be worked around. The Lebron baggage would be a lot more difficult. He's not just going to come in and fit into their system. How would he work with Coach Brown who their players like and respect?
If I'm the Sixers, the player I'd probably pursue first would be Paul George. He's a better fit for their system, he doesn't have the baggage and he's 5 years younger. George, Embiid, Simmons, Covington plus Fultz, if he gets his act together, would be a threat to be worried about.
There were probably 5-6 posts talking about the 76ers beating the clippers (a pretty awful team right now) and not a single post about the twolves dominating the spurs within a night of a each other (a much better team). Obviously we have either some actual 76er fans here (I know one got suspended or booted for making dark Len bias jokes). It has obviously been a problem on this board to the point the point the mods merged and created an all things 76ers thread because people were flooding the board with 76ers stuff (it has gotten better than since then). I am sure the 76ers fans would be equally annoyed if I created a "if the celtics get Antonio Davis will they dominate us for a half decade" thread.
Almost all of the Sixers threads were started by Sixers bashers. This one is a nice if somewhat silly change of pace.
This is definitely inaccurate. There were more trades talking about how great Noel and okafor were and later saric were and how the Celtics should trade everything from the Brooklyn pick to smart and other things for them. In retrospect they would be pretty embarrassing threads to bump for the posters here cause they show how deep the the enfatuation with them got.
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This thread title is embarrassing to me as a Celtics Fan on this board honestly. I feel like we are letting 76ers fans troll us on our own board. I think I like and enjoy Simmons, embiid and Covington more than the casual basketball fan. I think they have a really great future and will be a big threat in the next 5 years. Given all that is absolutely insane to me that we have the over the tap fans on this board (I guess of philly) going nuts when philly beats a clippers team with 9 active players down 3 starters and doesn't even comment on a 10-5 Minnesota team that added jimmy butler. Now we somehow have Lebron joining a team with teammates 10-15 years younger than him, with a franchise player that is extremely ball dominant? It's embarrassing. Let's stop this now
Who went nuts about the Sixers beating the Clippers? They also beat the Rockets and no one went nuts. The Sixers have played one of the toughest schedules so far with 10 road games out of 14. If they can finish .500 in the 1st half of the season and Embiid stays healthy, they should make the playoffs since their 2nd half schedule is much easier. That would be a good result for their season.
Why would the TWolves get many comments? They are in the West and aren't getting by GSW. Butler certainly makes them better. They lost the 2 games he didn't play by 20+ points. Wiggins and Towns have played 3+ and 2+ years. The last 1+ years playing for Thibs and they are still poor defenders.
If Lebron leaves the Cavs, he doesn't have any great options. If I'm the Sixers, I wouldn't pursue Lebron and would hope that Lebron didn't express any public interest in being on the Sixers. The Lebron/Simmons fit would be problematic but could be worked around. The Lebron baggage would be a lot more difficult. He's not just going to come in and fit into their system. How would he work with Coach Brown who their players like and respect?
If I'm the Sixers, the player I'd probably pursue first would be Paul George. He's a better fit for their system, he doesn't have the baggage and he's 5 years younger. George, Embiid, Simmons, Covington plus Fultz, if he gets his act together, would be a threat to be worried about.
There were probably 5-6 posts talking about the 76ers beating the clippers (a pretty awful team right now) and not a single post about the twolves dominating the spurs within a night of a each other (a much better team). Obviously we have either some actual 76er fans here (I know one got suspended or booted for making dark Len bias jokes). It has obviously been a problem on this board to the point the point the mods merged and created an all things 76ers thread because people were flooding the board with 76ers stuff (it has gotten better than since then). I am sure the 76ers fans would be equally annoyed if I created a "if the celtics get Antonio Davis will they dominate us for a half decade" thread.
it is pretty easy to understand why the Sixers would be talked about more than the Wolves. The Sixers are not only in the East but also in the Atlantic. Thus Boston has to play them a lot and may very well play them in the playoffs not just this year but for years to come. People also hate the blatant tanking and the fact that it appears to have worked just rubs people the wrong way. The wolves aren't those things.
Moranis didnt the wolves tank also?
I don't think trading love for wiggins and Bennett is considered tanking. They were definitely bad after that but I just don't see that as tanking.
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This thread title is embarrassing to me as a Celtics Fan on this board honestly. I feel like we are letting 76ers fans troll us on our own board. I think I like and enjoy Simmons, embiid and Covington more than the casual basketball fan. I think they have a really great future and will be a big threat in the next 5 years. Given all that is absolutely insane to me that we have the over the tap fans on this board (I guess of philly) going nuts when philly beats a clippers team with 9 active players down 3 starters and doesn't even comment on a 10-5 Minnesota team that added jimmy butler. Now we somehow have Lebron joining a team with teammates 10-15 years younger than him, with a franchise player that is extremely ball dominant? It's embarrassing. Let's stop this now
Who went nuts about the Sixers beating the Clippers? They also beat the Rockets and no one went nuts. The Sixers have played one of the toughest schedules so far with 10 road games out of 14. If they can finish .500 in the 1st half of the season and Embiid stays healthy, they should make the playoffs since their 2nd half schedule is much easier. That would be a good result for their season.
Why would the TWolves get many comments? They are in the West and aren't getting by GSW. Butler certainly makes them better. They lost the 2 games he didn't play by 20+ points. Wiggins and Towns have played 3+ and 2+ years. The last 1+ years playing for Thibs and they are still poor defenders.
If Lebron leaves the Cavs, he doesn't have any great options. If I'm the Sixers, I wouldn't pursue Lebron and would hope that Lebron didn't express any public interest in being on the Sixers. The Lebron/Simmons fit would be problematic but could be worked around. The Lebron baggage would be a lot more difficult. He's not just going to come in and fit into their system. How would he work with Coach Brown who their players like and respect?
If I'm the Sixers, the player I'd probably pursue first would be Paul George. He's a better fit for their system, he doesn't have the baggage and he's 5 years younger. George, Embiid, Simmons, Covington plus Fultz, if he gets his act together, would be a threat to be worried about.
There were probably 5-6 posts talking about the 76ers beating the clippers (a pretty awful team right now) and not a single post about the twolves dominating the spurs within a night of a each other (a much better team). Obviously we have either some actual 76er fans here (I know one got suspended or booted for making dark Len bias jokes). It has obviously been a problem on this board to the point the point the mods merged and created an all things 76ers thread because people were flooding the board with 76ers stuff (it has gotten better than since then). I am sure the 76ers fans would be equally annoyed if I created a "if the celtics get Antonio Davis will they dominate us for a half decade" thread.
it is pretty easy to understand why the Sixers would be talked about more than the Wolves. The Sixers are not only in the East but also in the Atlantic. Thus Boston has to play them a lot and may very well play them in the playoffs not just this year but for years to come. People also hate the blatant tanking and the fact that it appears to have worked just rubs people the wrong way. The wolves aren't those things.
Moranis didnt the wolves tank also?
I don't think trading love for wiggins and Bennett is considered tanking. They were definitely bad after that but I just don't see that as tanking.
Didn't you once start a thread that said they were tanking cause they traded chase budinger? I am pretty sure you did and you half concinced me
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This thread title is embarrassing to me as a Celtics Fan on this board honestly. I feel like we are letting 76ers fans troll us on our own board. I think I like and enjoy Simmons, embiid and Covington more than the casual basketball fan. I think they have a really great future and will be a big threat in the next 5 years. Given all that is absolutely insane to me that we have the over the tap fans on this board (I guess of philly) going nuts when philly beats a clippers team with 9 active players down 3 starters and doesn't even comment on a 10-5 Minnesota team that added jimmy butler. Now we somehow have Lebron joining a team with teammates 10-15 years younger than him, with a franchise player that is extremely ball dominant? It's embarrassing. Let's stop this now
Who went nuts about the Sixers beating the Clippers? They also beat the Rockets and no one went nuts. The Sixers have played one of the toughest schedules so far with 10 road games out of 14. If they can finish .500 in the 1st half of the season and Embiid stays healthy, they should make the playoffs since their 2nd half schedule is much easier. That would be a good result for their season.
Why would the TWolves get many comments? They are in the West and aren't getting by GSW. Butler certainly makes them better. They lost the 2 games he didn't play by 20+ points. Wiggins and Towns have played 3+ and 2+ years. The last 1+ years playing for Thibs and they are still poor defenders.
If Lebron leaves the Cavs, he doesn't have any great options. If I'm the Sixers, I wouldn't pursue Lebron and would hope that Lebron didn't express any public interest in being on the Sixers. The Lebron/Simmons fit would be problematic but could be worked around. The Lebron baggage would be a lot more difficult. He's not just going to come in and fit into their system. How would he work with Coach Brown who their players like and respect?
If I'm the Sixers, the player I'd probably pursue first would be Paul George. He's a better fit for their system, he doesn't have the baggage and he's 5 years younger. George, Embiid, Simmons, Covington plus Fultz, if he gets his act together, would be a threat to be worried about.
There were probably 5-6 posts talking about the 76ers beating the clippers (a pretty awful team right now) and not a single post about the twolves dominating the spurs within a night of a each other (a much better team). Obviously we have either some actual 76er fans here (I know one got suspended or booted for making dark Len bias jokes). It has obviously been a problem on this board to the point the point the mods merged and created an all things 76ers thread because people were flooding the board with 76ers stuff (it has gotten better than since then). I am sure the 76ers fans would be equally annoyed if I created a "if the celtics get Antonio Davis will they dominate us for a half decade" thread.
it is pretty easy to understand why the Sixers would be talked about more than the Wolves. The Sixers are not only in the East but also in the Atlantic. Thus Boston has to play them a lot and may very well play them in the playoffs not just this year but for years to come. People also hate the blatant tanking and the fact that it appears to have worked just rubs people the wrong way. The wolves aren't those things.
Moranis didnt the wolves tank also?
I don't think trading love for wiggins and Bennett is considered tanking. They were definitely bad after that but I just don't see that as tanking.
Didn't you once start a thread that said they were tanking cause they traded chase budinger? I am pretty sure you did and you half concinced me
Yeah you actually started a thread "wolves continue tank trade chase budinger" and argued they were tanking for multiple years (others argued with you) I wouldn't say it's them tanking as much as it is they are creating more minutes for Wiggins and Muhammad because they are better than Budinger.
Good trade for the Pacers. Adding some nice role players to put next to George.
Wiggins started every game last year for the Wolves and Muhammad is a SG. Budinger was a quality bench player. they didn't need to move him to create more minutes for those two. It was a move to save money and they got nothing of value at all in return.
Budinger can play both positions if his team needed him to. He was expendable. There's no need to make a big deal out of this. At all.
I didn't. Just pointing out that a team that tanked last year is letting its veterans go in free agency or trading them for nothing, and is thus continuing its tank.
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This thread title is embarrassing to me as a Celtics Fan on this board honestly. I feel like we are letting 76ers fans troll us on our own board. I think I like and enjoy Simmons, embiid and Covington more than the casual basketball fan. I think they have a really great future and will be a big threat in the next 5 years. Given all that is absolutely insane to me that we have the over the tap fans on this board (I guess of philly) going nuts when philly beats a clippers team with 9 active players down 3 starters and doesn't even comment on a 10-5 Minnesota team that added jimmy butler. Now we somehow have Lebron joining a team with teammates 10-15 years younger than him, with a franchise player that is extremely ball dominant? It's embarrassing. Let's stop this now
Who went nuts about the Sixers beating the Clippers? They also beat the Rockets and no one went nuts. The Sixers have played one of the toughest schedules so far with 10 road games out of 14. If they can finish .500 in the 1st half of the season and Embiid stays healthy, they should make the playoffs since their 2nd half schedule is much easier. That would be a good result for their season.
Why would the TWolves get many comments? They are in the West and aren't getting by GSW. Butler certainly makes them better. They lost the 2 games he didn't play by 20+ points. Wiggins and Towns have played 3+ and 2+ years. The last 1+ years playing for Thibs and they are still poor defenders.
If Lebron leaves the Cavs, he doesn't have any great options. If I'm the Sixers, I wouldn't pursue Lebron and would hope that Lebron didn't express any public interest in being on the Sixers. The Lebron/Simmons fit would be problematic but could be worked around. The Lebron baggage would be a lot more difficult. He's not just going to come in and fit into their system. How would he work with Coach Brown who their players like and respect?
If I'm the Sixers, the player I'd probably pursue first would be Paul George. He's a better fit for their system, he doesn't have the baggage and he's 5 years younger. George, Embiid, Simmons, Covington plus Fultz, if he gets his act together, would be a threat to be worried about.
There were probably 5-6 posts talking about the 76ers beating the clippers (a pretty awful team right now) and not a single post about the twolves dominating the spurs within a night of a each other (a much better team). Obviously we have either some actual 76er fans here (I know one got suspended or booted for making dark Len bias jokes). It has obviously been a problem on this board to the point the point the mods merged and created an all things 76ers thread because people were flooding the board with 76ers stuff (it has gotten better than since then). I am sure the 76ers fans would be equally annoyed if I created a "if the celtics get Antonio Davis will they dominate us for a half decade" thread.
it is pretty easy to understand why the Sixers would be talked about more than the Wolves. The Sixers are not only in the East but also in the Atlantic. Thus Boston has to play them a lot and may very well play them in the playoffs not just this year but for years to come. People also hate the blatant tanking and the fact that it appears to have worked just rubs people the wrong way. The wolves aren't those things.
Moranis didnt the wolves tank also?
I don't think trading love for wiggins and Bennett is considered tanking. They were definitely bad after that but I just don't see that as tanking.
Didn't you once start a thread that said they were tanking cause they traded chase budinger? I am pretty sure you did and you half concinced me
Yeah you actually started a thread "wolves continue tank trade chase budinger" and argued they were tanking for multiple years (others argued with you) I wouldn't say it's them tanking as much as it is they are creating more minutes for Wiggins and Muhammad because they are better than Budinger.
Good trade for the Pacers. Adding some nice role players to put next to George.
Wiggins started every game last year for the Wolves and Muhammad is a SG. Budinger was a quality bench player. they didn't need to move him to create more minutes for those two. It was a move to save money and they got nothing of value at all in return.
Budinger can play both positions if his team needed him to. He was expendable. There's no need to make a big deal out of this. At all.
I didn't. Just pointing out that a team that tanked last year is letting its veterans go in free agency or trading them for nothing, and is thus continuing its tank.
I recall that thread. That was a bit of a troll on my part, but looking back I don't see them as a tank at least not like Philly or OKC
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This thread title is embarrassing to me as a Celtics Fan on this board honestly. I feel like we are letting 76ers fans troll us on our own board. I think I like and enjoy Simmons, embiid and Covington more than the casual basketball fan. I think they have a really great future and will be a big threat in the next 5 years. Given all that is absolutely insane to me that we have the over the tap fans on this board (I guess of philly) going nuts when philly beats a clippers team with 9 active players down 3 starters and doesn't even comment on a 10-5 Minnesota team that added jimmy butler. Now we somehow have Lebron joining a team with teammates 10-15 years younger than him, with a franchise player that is extremely ball dominant? It's embarrassing. Let's stop this now
Who went nuts about the Sixers beating the Clippers? They also beat the Rockets and no one went nuts. The Sixers have played one of the toughest schedules so far with 10 road games out of 14. If they can finish .500 in the 1st half of the season and Embiid stays healthy, they should make the playoffs since their 2nd half schedule is much easier. That would be a good result for their season.
Why would the TWolves get many comments? They are in the West and aren't getting by GSW. Butler certainly makes them better. They lost the 2 games he didn't play by 20+ points. Wiggins and Towns have played 3+ and 2+ years. The last 1+ years playing for Thibs and they are still poor defenders.
If Lebron leaves the Cavs, he doesn't have any great options. If I'm the Sixers, I wouldn't pursue Lebron and would hope that Lebron didn't express any public interest in being on the Sixers. The Lebron/Simmons fit would be problematic but could be worked around. The Lebron baggage would be a lot more difficult. He's not just going to come in and fit into their system. How would he work with Coach Brown who their players like and respect?
If I'm the Sixers, the player I'd probably pursue first would be Paul George. He's a better fit for their system, he doesn't have the baggage and he's 5 years younger. George, Embiid, Simmons, Covington plus Fultz, if he gets his act together, would be a threat to be worried about.
There were probably 5-6 posts talking about the 76ers beating the clippers (a pretty awful team right now) and not a single post about the twolves dominating the spurs within a night of a each other (a much better team). Obviously we have either some actual 76er fans here (I know one got suspended or booted for making dark Len bias jokes). It has obviously been a problem on this board to the point the point the mods merged and created an all things 76ers thread because people were flooding the board with 76ers stuff (it has gotten better than since then). I am sure the 76ers fans would be equally annoyed if I created a "if the celtics get Antonio Davis will they dominate us for a half decade" thread.
it is pretty easy to understand why the Sixers would be talked about more than the Wolves. The Sixers are not only in the East but also in the Atlantic. Thus Boston has to play them a lot and may very well play them in the playoffs not just this year but for years to come. People also hate the blatant tanking and the fact that it appears to have worked just rubs people the wrong way. The wolves aren't those things.
Moranis didnt the wolves tank also?
I don't think trading love for wiggins and Bennett is considered tanking. They were definitely bad after that but I just don't see that as tanking.
Didn't you once start a thread that said they were tanking cause they traded chase budinger? I am pretty sure you did and you half concinced me
Yeah you actually started a thread "wolves continue tank trade chase budinger" and argued they were tanking for multiple years (others argued with you) I wouldn't say it's them tanking as much as it is they are creating more minutes for Wiggins and Muhammad because they are better than Budinger.
Good trade for the Pacers. Adding some nice role players to put next to George.
Wiggins started every game last year for the Wolves and Muhammad is a SG. Budinger was a quality bench player. they didn't need to move him to create more minutes for those two. It was a move to save money and they got nothing of value at all in return.
Budinger can play both positions if his team needed him to. He was expendable. There's no need to make a big deal out of this. At all.
I didn't. Just pointing out that a team that tanked last year is letting its veterans go in free agency or trading them for nothing, and is thus continuing its tank.
I recall that thread. That was a bit of a troll on my part, but looking back I don't see them as a tank at least not like Philly or OKC
I think tanking is a spectrum.
Plenty of teams including Minnesota and us have tanked on some level over the past few years.
Teams like OKC Philly, and sneakily, the Lakers have tanked to the extremes.
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This is a very hard question. Everyone assumed the lakers, but I just cant see him going there if theres no chance they can win, and with Lonzo, Ingrham and Free Agnet Star X I don't see them being truly competitive. Say what you want about Lebron, and I do find him insufferable, he's always gone where he stands the best chance of winning and chasing Jordan. For that reason phili doesn't quite make sense either, as simmons and embiid are still probably a couple of years away form peak and tying your career to joel embiids injury history seems dangerous. Going west doesn't eem t make sense, but there really no team in the east that is close enough to entice him and can actually pay him. I said spurs, because why not?
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This is a very hard question. Everyone assumed the lakers, but I just cant see him going there if theres no chance they can win, and with Lonzo, Ingrham and Free Agnet Star X I don't see them being truly competitive. Say what you want about Lebron, and I do find him insufferable, he's always gone where he stands the best chance of winning and chasing Jordan. For that reason phili doesn't quite make sense either, as simmons and embiid are still probably a couple of years away form peak and tying your career to joel embiids injury history seems dangerous. Going west doesn't eem t make sense, but there really no team in the east that is close enough to entice him and can actually pay him. I said spurs, because why not?
Because the Spurs won't have anywhere close to 35% Max cap space. Very few teams will.
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This is a very hard question. Everyone assumed the lakers, but I just cant see him going there if theres no chance they can win, and with Lonzo, Ingrham and Free Agnet Star X I don't see them being truly competitive. Say what you want about Lebron, and I do find him insufferable, he's always gone where he stands the best chance of winning and chasing Jordan. For that reason phili doesn't quite make sense either, as simmons and embiid are still probably a couple of years away form peak and tying your career to joel embiids injury history seems dangerous. Going west doesn't eem t make sense, but there really no team in the east that is close enough to entice him and can actually pay him. I said spurs, because why not?
Because the Spurs won't have anywhere close to 35% Max cap space. Very few teams will.
That's the other problem. Most teams won't have cap space to sign Lebron UNLESS he took a huge discount.
Even the Lakers could actually have some trouble fitting in Lebron AND Free Agent X if the cap goes a little down (as projected), unless the Lakers decide to trade away BOTH Randle + Clarkson (and rumor has it that they are already likely to deal Randle at the deadline for a 1st round pick to also clear up some cap for the summer).
And I say that because Lebron is ONLY joining the Lakers if another max FA star joins him in LA, otherwise he's not going there alone to team up with Lonzo The Great lol.
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This thread title is embarrassing to me as a Celtics Fan on this board honestly. I feel like we are letting 76ers fans troll us on our own board. I think I like and enjoy Simmons, embiid and Covington more than the casual basketball fan. I think they have a really great future and will be a big threat in the next 5 years. Given all that is absolutely insane to me that we have the over the tap fans on this board (I guess of philly) going nuts when philly beats a clippers team with 9 active players down 3 starters and doesn't even comment on a 10-5 Minnesota team that added jimmy butler. Now we somehow have Lebron joining a team with teammates 10-15 years younger than him, with a franchise player that is extremely ball dominant? It's embarrassing. Let's stop this now
Who went nuts about the Sixers beating the Clippers? They also beat the Rockets and no one went nuts. The Sixers have played one of the toughest schedules so far with 10 road games out of 14. If they can finish .500 in the 1st half of the season and Embiid stays healthy, they should make the playoffs since their 2nd half schedule is much easier. That would be a good result for their season.
Why would the TWolves get many comments? They are in the West and aren't getting by GSW. Butler certainly makes them better. They lost the 2 games he didn't play by 20+ points. Wiggins and Towns have played 3+ and 2+ years. The last 1+ years playing for Thibs and they are still poor defenders.
If Lebron leaves the Cavs, he doesn't have any great options. If I'm the Sixers, I wouldn't pursue Lebron and would hope that Lebron didn't express any public interest in being on the Sixers. The Lebron/Simmons fit would be problematic but could be worked around. The Lebron baggage would be a lot more difficult. He's not just going to come in and fit into their system. How would he work with Coach Brown who their players like and respect?
If I'm the Sixers, the player I'd probably pursue first would be Paul George. He's a better fit for their system, he doesn't have the baggage and he's 5 years younger. George, Embiid, Simmons, Covington plus Fultz, if he gets his act together, would be a threat to be worried about.
There were probably 5-6 posts talking about the 76ers beating the clippers (a pretty awful team right now) and not a single post about the twolves dominating the spurs within a night of a each other (a much better team). Obviously we have either some actual 76er fans here (I know one got suspended or booted for making dark Len bias jokes). It has obviously been a problem on this board to the point the point the mods merged and created an all things 76ers thread because people were flooding the board with 76ers stuff (it has gotten better than since then). I am sure the 76ers fans would be equally annoyed if I created a "if the celtics get Antonio Davis will they dominate us for a half decade" thread.
it is pretty easy to understand why the Sixers would be talked about more than the Wolves. The Sixers are not only in the East but also in the Atlantic. Thus Boston has to play them a lot and may very well play them in the playoffs not just this year but for years to come. People also hate the blatant tanking and the fact that it appears to have worked just rubs people the wrong way. The wolves aren't those things.
Moranis didnt the wolves tank also?
I don't think trading love for wiggins and Bennett is considered tanking. They were definitely bad after that but I just don't see that as tanking.
Didn't you once start a thread that said they were tanking cause they traded chase budinger? I am pretty sure you did and you half concinced me
Yeah you actually started a thread "wolves continue tank trade chase budinger" and argued they were tanking for multiple years (others argued with you) I wouldn't say it's them tanking as much as it is they are creating more minutes for Wiggins and Muhammad because they are better than Budinger.
Good trade for the Pacers. Adding some nice role players to put next to George.
Wiggins started every game last year for the Wolves and Muhammad is a SG. Budinger was a quality bench player. they didn't need to move him to create more minutes for those two. It was a move to save money and they got nothing of value at all in return.
Budinger can play both positions if his team needed him to. He was expendable. There's no need to make a big deal out of this. At all.
I didn't. Just pointing out that a team that tanked last year is letting its veterans go in free agency or trading them for nothing, and is thus continuing its tank.
I recall that thread. That was a bit of a troll on my part, but looking back I don't see them as a tank at least not like Philly or OKC
I honestly can not tell when you are serious and when you are trolling
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He sees Philly doing this to the Warriors and ponders... :o
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This is a very hard question. Everyone assumed the lakers, but I just cant see him going there if theres no chance they can win, and with Lonzo, Ingrham and Free Agnet Star X I don't see them being truly competitive. Say what you want about Lebron, and I do find him insufferable, he's always gone where he stands the best chance of winning and chasing Jordan. For that reason phili doesn't quite make sense either, as simmons and embiid are still probably a couple of years away form peak and tying your career to joel embiids injury history seems dangerous. Going west doesn't eem t make sense, but there really no team in the east that is close enough to entice him and can actually pay him. I said spurs, because why not?
Because the Spurs won't have anywhere close to 35% Max cap space. Very few teams will.
That's the other problem. Most teams won't have cap space to sign Lebron UNLESS he took a huge discount.
Even the Lakers could actually have some trouble fitting in Lebron AND Free Agent X if the cap goes a little down (as projected), unless the Lakers decide to trade away BOTH Randle + Clarkson (and rumor has it that they are already likely to deal Randle at the deadline for a 1st round pick to also clear up some cap for the summer).
And I say that because Lebron is ONLY joining the Lakers if another max FA star joins him in LA, otherwise he's not going there alone to team up with Lonzo The Great lol.
They've got to get rid of Deng too which is not going to be easy.
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This is a very hard question. Everyone assumed the lakers, but I just cant see him going there if theres no chance they can win, and with Lonzo, Ingrham and Free Agnet Star X I don't see them being truly competitive. Say what you want about Lebron, and I do find him insufferable, he's always gone where he stands the best chance of winning and chasing Jordan. For that reason phili doesn't quite make sense either, as simmons and embiid are still probably a couple of years away form peak and tying your career to joel embiids injury history seems dangerous. Going west doesn't eem t make sense, but there really no team in the east that is close enough to entice him and can actually pay him. I said spurs, because why not?
Because the Spurs won't have anywhere close to 35% Max cap space. Very few teams will.
That's the other problem. Most teams won't have cap space to sign Lebron UNLESS he took a huge discount.
Even the Lakers could actually have some trouble fitting in Lebron AND Free Agent X if the cap goes a little down (as projected), unless the Lakers decide to trade away BOTH Randle + Clarkson (and rumor has it that they are already likely to deal Randle at the deadline for a 1st round pick to also clear up some cap for the summer).
And I say that because Lebron is ONLY joining the Lakers if another max FA star joins him in LA, otherwise he's not going there alone to team up with Lonzo The Great lol.
They've got to get rid of Deng too which is not going to be easy.
Right, completely forgot about that too.
I wish OKC were doing fairly well honestly, because then PG13 would likely stay and that's another FA Lakers fans could cross off their list.
But OKC haven't looked great and George could still decide to leave now..
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This is a very hard question. Everyone assumed the lakers, but I just cant see him going there if theres no chance they can win, and with Lonzo, Ingrham and Free Agnet Star X I don't see them being truly competitive. Say what you want about Lebron, and I do find him insufferable, he's always gone where he stands the best chance of winning and chasing Jordan. For that reason phili doesn't quite make sense either, as simmons and embiid are still probably a couple of years away form peak and tying your career to joel embiids injury history seems dangerous. Going west doesn't eem t make sense, but there really no team in the east that is close enough to entice him and can actually pay him. I said spurs, because why not?
Because the Spurs won't have anywhere close to 35% Max cap space. Very few teams will.
That's the other problem. Most teams won't have cap space to sign Lebron UNLESS he took a huge discount.
Even the Lakers could actually have some trouble fitting in Lebron AND Free Agent X if the cap goes a little down (as projected), unless the Lakers decide to trade away BOTH Randle + Clarkson (and rumor has it that they are already likely to deal Randle at the deadline for a 1st round pick to also clear up some cap for the summer).
And I say that because Lebron is ONLY joining the Lakers if another max FA star joins him in LA, otherwise he's not going there alone to team up with Lonzo The Great lol.
They've got to get rid of Deng too which is not going to be easy.
Right, completely forgot about that too.
I wish OKC were doing fairly well honestly, because then PG13 would likely stay and that's another FA Lakers fans could cross off their list.
But OKC haven't looked great and George could still decide to leave now..
Aggravates me to no end that LAL can be guaranteed a rebuild by tanking a couple years and creating cap room. EASIEST GM job in sports. Not saying they can't blow it, but it's like the Sox and Yankees in baseball, just an advantage that allows for multiple mistakes. Lakers will be back because they will always be a prized destination for FAs, they just need to manage their salaries. Only a matter of time.
Re: Lebron joining the Sixers... I'd love that. Sixers-Celtics rivalry would be great compared to giving LAL a shot at their 17th.
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This is a very hard question. Everyone assumed the lakers, but I just cant see him going there if theres no chance they can win, and with Lonzo, Ingrham and Free Agnet Star X I don't see them being truly competitive. Say what you want about Lebron, and I do find him insufferable, he's always gone where he stands the best chance of winning and chasing Jordan. For that reason phili doesn't quite make sense either, as simmons and embiid are still probably a couple of years away form peak and tying your career to joel embiids injury history seems dangerous. Going west doesn't eem t make sense, but there really no team in the east that is close enough to entice him and can actually pay him. I said spurs, because why not?
Because the Spurs won't have anywhere close to 35% Max cap space. Very few teams will.
That's the other problem. Most teams won't have cap space to sign Lebron UNLESS he took a huge discount.
Even the Lakers could actually have some trouble fitting in Lebron AND Free Agent X if the cap goes a little down (as projected), unless the Lakers decide to trade away BOTH Randle + Clarkson (and rumor has it that they are already likely to deal Randle at the deadline for a 1st round pick to also clear up some cap for the summer).
And I say that because Lebron is ONLY joining the Lakers if another max FA star joins him in LA, otherwise he's not going there alone to team up with Lonzo The Great lol.
They've got to get rid of Deng too which is not going to be easy.
Right, completely forgot about that too.
I wish OKC were doing fairly well honestly, because then PG13 would likely stay and that's another FA Lakers fans could cross off their list.
But OKC haven't looked great and George could still decide to leave now..
I think OKC will be fine. With those 3 it was always going to take a bit to mesh. Similar to when LBJ went to miami
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This is a very hard question. Everyone assumed the lakers, but I just cant see him going there if theres no chance they can win, and with Lonzo, Ingrham and Free Agnet Star X I don't see them being truly competitive. Say what you want about Lebron, and I do find him insufferable, he's always gone where he stands the best chance of winning and chasing Jordan. For that reason phili doesn't quite make sense either, as simmons and embiid are still probably a couple of years away form peak and tying your career to joel embiids injury history seems dangerous. Going west doesn't eem t make sense, but there really no team in the east that is close enough to entice him and can actually pay him. I said spurs, because why not?
Because the Spurs won't have anywhere close to 35% Max cap space. Very few teams will.
That's the other problem. Most teams won't have cap space to sign Lebron UNLESS he took a huge discount.
Even the Lakers could actually have some trouble fitting in Lebron AND Free Agent X if the cap goes a little down (as projected), unless the Lakers decide to trade away BOTH Randle + Clarkson (and rumor has it that they are already likely to deal Randle at the deadline for a 1st round pick to also clear up some cap for the summer).
And I say that because Lebron is ONLY joining the Lakers if another max FA star joins him in LA, otherwise he's not going there alone to team up with Lonzo The Great lol.
They've got to get rid of Deng too which is not going to be easy.
Right, completely forgot about that too.
I wish OKC were doing fairly well honestly, because then PG13 would likely stay and that's another FA Lakers fans could cross off their list.
But OKC haven't looked great and George could still decide to leave now..
I think OKC will be fine. With those 3 it was always going to take a bit to mesh. Similar to when LBJ went to miami
Yep, this team can still be a huge threat to anyone in the playoffs if they mesh together later on in the season.
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He sees Philly doing this to the Warriors and ponders... :o
Lol never mind, Sixers blow the lead and Lebron shakes his head... :laugh:
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This is a very hard question. Everyone assumed the lakers, but I just cant see him going there if theres no chance they can win, and with Lonzo, Ingrham and Free Agnet Star X I don't see them being truly competitive. Say what you want about Lebron, and I do find him insufferable, he's always gone where he stands the best chance of winning and chasing Jordan. For that reason phili doesn't quite make sense either, as simmons and embiid are still probably a couple of years away form peak and tying your career to joel embiids injury history seems dangerous. Going west doesn't eem t make sense, but there really no team in the east that is close enough to entice him and can actually pay him. I said spurs, because why not?
Because the Spurs won't have anywhere close to 35% Max cap space. Very few teams will.
I'm not too worried about the cap space aspect. if Lebrn wants to come to your team you make it work, and its not like they are buried under bad contracts. Worst case they just dump someone like Aldridge for nothing and that alone gets them pretty close.
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This is a very hard question. Everyone assumed the lakers, but I just cant see him going there if theres no chance they can win, and with Lonzo, Ingrham and Free Agnet Star X I don't see them being truly competitive. Say what you want about Lebron, and I do find him insufferable, he's always gone where he stands the best chance of winning and chasing Jordan. For that reason phili doesn't quite make sense either, as simmons and embiid are still probably a couple of years away form peak and tying your career to joel embiids injury history seems dangerous. Going west doesn't eem t make sense, but there really no team in the east that is close enough to entice him and can actually pay him. I said spurs, because why not?
Because the Spurs won't have anywhere close to 35% Max cap space. Very few teams will.
I'm not too worried about the cap space aspect. if Lebrn wants to come to your team you make it work, and its not like they are buried under bad contracts. Worst case they just dump someone like Aldridge for nothing and that alone gets them pretty close.
I mean for one, you'd have to find someone who wants to take him on (and that contract), and two, I still don't think that's enough (you'd have to get rid of some more).
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Executives around the NBA believe the Philadelphia 76ers will attempt to sign LeBron James in free agency.
James is widely expected to become a free agent in 2018 though his eventual destination remains a speculative mystery. While James has also been linked to the Los Angeles Lakers, signing with the 76ers would give James the opportunity to stay in the Eestern Conference and avoid teams like the Warriors, Rockets and Spurs.
The 76ers could fairly easily create enough salary cap space to sign James to a max contract starting at $34 million.
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Executives around the NBA believe the Philadelphia 76ers will attempt to sign LeBron James in free agency.
James is widely expected to become a free agent in 2018 though his eventual destination remains a speculative mystery. While James has also been linked to the Los Angeles Lakers, signing with the 76ers would give James the opportunity to stay in the Eestern Conference and avoid teams like the Warriors, Rockets and Spurs.
The 76ers could fairly easily create enough salary cap space to sign James to a max contract starting at $34 million.
I assume you’re quoting someone. Whoever that someone is doesn’t even know how much a max contract is projected to be.
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Sigh this is the stupidest click bait article I have seen. I was hoping we wouldn't have to deal with it here. 2 things
1) every team in the league would like to sign him
2) "rival executives think they will try" umm what
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wasn't he and his wife out there in LA checkimg out high schools for little Bron Jr
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I think Embiid will get hurt again this year at some point and folks will be hesistant to go there. Plus folks know they are sitting on talent with Okafor and players know he can play and they talk, this too, will hurt Philly.
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This is a very hard question. Everyone assumed the lakers, but I just cant see him going there if theres no chance they can win, and with Lonzo, Ingrham and Free Agnet Star X I don't see them being truly competitive. Say what you want about Lebron, and I do find him insufferable, he's always gone where he stands the best chance of winning and chasing Jordan. For that reason phili doesn't quite make sense either, as simmons and embiid are still probably a couple of years away form peak and tying your career to joel embiids injury history seems dangerous. Going west doesn't eem t make sense, but there really no team in the east that is close enough to entice him and can actually pay him. I said spurs, because why not?
Because the Spurs won't have anywhere close to 35% Max cap space. Very few teams will.
I'm not too worried about the cap space aspect. if Lebrn wants to come to your team you make it work, and its not like they are buried under bad contracts. Worst case they just dump someone like Aldridge for nothing and that alone gets them pretty close.
I mean for one, you'd have to find someone who wants to take him on (and that contract), and two, I still don't think that's enough (you'd have to get rid of some more).
There's only going to be a handful of teams with the cap space to absorb Aldredge's contract without sending salary back. The Mavs might want him. Maybe the Lakers if they strike out in free agency.
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I think Embiid will get hurt again this year at some point and folks will be hesistant to go there. Plus folks know they are sitting on talent with Okafor and players know he can play and they talk, this too, will hurt Philly.
Players generally go where they can get the most money and the Sixers are going to be one of a handful of teams with significant cap space.
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So, better question:
i) to which franchise does he go to in order to be a more complete villain than Durant?
ii) would you trade LBJ for Scary...
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wasn't he and his wife out there in LA checkimg out high schools for little Bron Jr
His kids have been in the LA school district for around 2 years, I think.
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wasn't he and his wife out there in LA checkimg out high schools for little Bron Jr
His kids have been in the LA school district for around 2 years, I think.
I believe that is true, though I'm not sure it is year round.
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My original thinking was that OKC would do very well and George would stay put, which meant Lebron wouldn't go LAL because he'd want to go with another max player as well.
But now OKC struggling and looks like George could actually just walk this summer to Lakers.
OR MAYBE they trade him mid-season to Cleveland and then both LBJ and PG13 go to LAL next summer? :o
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So First Take discussed this with Jalen Rose and David Jacoby as well.
Max and S.A.S think Lebron should definitely consider, but S.A.S. doesn't see it happening, and neither does Jalen Rose and David Jacoby. Max think's it could happen though.
Jalen's main points was that it would make Lebron look bad if he left CLE again for another team w/potential, and that the Sixers are young but "not ready" to contend for championships yet. Also, to acquire Lebron could mean losing Reddick and some bench depth, which isn't ideal since Reddick is a legitimate sharp shooter (and they need to surround the Simmons-James-Embiid core with legit shooters). Also, some concerns about Embiid's injury health still.
It was interesting when Jalen said "Sixers are the 5th best team in the East now in the standings, but you know who the 2nd and 3rd best players in the East are? Kyrie and Greek Freak" :o
Wow, so Kyrie is the 2nd best in the East. Dang.
And then he said, "do you think Lebron would go to either of those teams (C's, Bucks) since they have the better players" and Stephen A. went OFF on him about suggesting Lebron going to Boston :laugh:
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This topic heading really hits something that we all need to address. I think with the quick early success this season, especially during the winning streak, I could see my mind wandering into the fantasy that the Celtics could become, if not soon, maybe in the next year or two, the NEXT GSW, with a chance to run off a string of championships. Given our incredible youth, not an unreasonable fantasy.
The idea of Lebron going to a very good, also very young, Sixer team, kind of crushes that fantasy. It would mean that we would have to fight like heck each year just to make it to the finals.
But isn't that the way it usually works anyway? The GSW are really the exception. Even the Celtics' 80's teams had to fight through Philly, Detroit, or Milwaukee, to get to the finals, when it was a struggle vs. the Lakers.
That's reality.
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I think Lakers, along with George and a resigned Lopez. The problem for the Lakers is that they wasted a lot of salary on Deng and Clarkson. Clarkson I guess is a useful player but Deng isn't even active on the roster I don't think.
If the Lakers had a core of James-George-Lopez plus the young players and maybe a few other vets added, that could be a pretty good team for a number of years (3-4?). Maybe Isaiah joins them too. Everyone would have to take a pay cut though.
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I think Lakers, along with George and a resigned Lopez. The problem for the Lakers is that they wasted a lot of salary on Deng and Clarkson. Clarkson I guess is a useful player but Deng isn't even active on the roster I don't think.
If the Lakers had a core of James-George-Lopez plus the young players and maybe a few other vets added, that could be a pretty good team for a number of years (3-4?). Maybe Isaiah joins them too. Everyone would have to take a pay cut though.
Can they even afford to keep Lopez if they sign LBJ + George??
I highly doubt the guy is going to play for chump change next year either (decent pay cut)...
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I think Lakers, along with George and a resigned Lopez. The problem for the Lakers is that they wasted a lot of salary on Deng and Clarkson. Clarkson I guess is a useful player but Deng isn't even active on the roster I don't think.
If the Lakers had a core of James-George-Lopez plus the young players and maybe a few other vets added, that could be a pretty good team for a number of years (3-4?). Maybe Isaiah joins them too. Everyone would have to take a pay cut though.
Can they even afford to keep Lopez if they sign LBJ + George??
I highly doubt the guy is going to play for chump change next year either (decent pay cut)...
I of course do not know who would sign for what but say all 4 (IT, LJ, PG, BL) all agreed to play for $20M. Not exactly chump change. That is $80M. They need to get Deng off the books but I think that leaves them enough money to fill in a team around the core and be really good.
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I think Lakers, along with George and a resigned Lopez. The problem for the Lakers is that they wasted a lot of salary on Deng and Clarkson. Clarkson I guess is a useful player but Deng isn't even active on the roster I don't think.
If the Lakers had a core of James-George-Lopez plus the young players and maybe a few other vets added, that could be a pretty good team for a number of years (3-4?). Maybe Isaiah joins them too. Everyone would have to take a pay cut though.
Can they even afford to keep Lopez if they sign LBJ + George??
I highly doubt the guy is going to play for chump change next year either (decent pay cut)...
I feel like Brook Lopez would take a big pay cut provided he likes living in LA and wants to play on a good team. He will be 30 next season and has played on truly horrific teams for a number of years in a row. He also probably doesn't have the market he would have had 3-4 years back because he has kind of proven that he doesn't really move the needle in terms of wins and losses (he was the best player on the worst team in the league)
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I think Lakers, along with George and a resigned Lopez. The problem for the Lakers is that they wasted a lot of salary on Deng and Clarkson. Clarkson I guess is a useful player but Deng isn't even active on the roster I don't think.
If the Lakers had a core of James-George-Lopez plus the young players and maybe a few other vets added, that could be a pretty good team for a number of years (3-4?). Maybe Isaiah joins them too. Everyone would have to take a pay cut though.
Can they even afford to keep Lopez if they sign LBJ + George??
I highly doubt the guy is going to play for chump change next year either (decent pay cut)...
I feel like Brook Lopez would take a big pay cut provided he likes living in LA and wants to play on a good team. He will be 30 next season and has played on truly horrific teams for a number of years in a row. He also probably doesn't have the market he would have had 3-4 years back because he has kind of proven that he doesn't really move the needle in terms of wins and losses (he was the best player on the worst team in the league)
at 30 I doubt he'd take a pay cut considering it's likely his last big contract and he's been healthy for the most part lately (which was the biggest knock against him).
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I think Lakers, along with George and a resigned Lopez. The problem for the Lakers is that they wasted a lot of salary on Deng and Clarkson. Clarkson I guess is a useful player but Deng isn't even active on the roster I don't think.
If the Lakers had a core of James-George-Lopez plus the young players and maybe a few other vets added, that could be a pretty good team for a number of years (3-4?). Maybe Isaiah joins them too. Everyone would have to take a pay cut though.
Can they even afford to keep Lopez if they sign LBJ + George??
I highly doubt the guy is going to play for chump change next year either (decent pay cut)...
I feel like Brook Lopez would take a big pay cut provided he likes living in LA and wants to play on a good team. He will be 30 next season and has played on truly horrific teams for a number of years in a row. He also probably doesn't have the market he would have had 3-4 years back because he has kind of proven that he doesn't really move the needle in terms of wins and losses (he was the best player on the worst team in the league)
and that team got better when he was traded. Lopez is kind of like Rudy Gay. Statistically looks nice, but is just a drain on winning.
That said, I agree he won't have the market he would have, but I also don't think he is going to sign for under market value (whatever that may be).
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I think Lakers, along with George and a resigned Lopez. The problem for the Lakers is that they wasted a lot of salary on Deng and Clarkson. Clarkson I guess is a useful player but Deng isn't even active on the roster I don't think.
If the Lakers had a core of James-George-Lopez plus the young players and maybe a few other vets added, that could be a pretty good team for a number of years (3-4?). Maybe Isaiah joins them too. Everyone would have to take a pay cut though.
Can they even afford to keep Lopez if they sign LBJ + George??
I highly doubt the guy is going to play for chump change next year either (decent pay cut)...
I feel like Brook Lopez would take a big pay cut provided he likes living in LA and wants to play on a good team. He will be 30 next season and has played on truly horrific teams for a number of years in a row. He also probably doesn't have the market he would have had 3-4 years back because he has kind of proven that he doesn't really move the needle in terms of wins and losses (he was the best player on the worst team in the league)
So would Brook Lopez be fine simply signing for the MLE?
Because cap projects to drop a tiny bit and assuming George and Lebron sign for full max each, they won't have any more $$$ left to spend via FA outside of exceptions.
They may even need to get rid of Deng, and at least one of Randle/Clarkson as well to even fit 2 max contracts I believe.
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I think Lakers, along with George and a resigned Lopez. The problem for the Lakers is that they wasted a lot of salary on Deng and Clarkson. Clarkson I guess is a useful player but Deng isn't even active on the roster I don't think.
If the Lakers had a core of James-George-Lopez plus the young players and maybe a few other vets added, that could be a pretty good team for a number of years (3-4?). Maybe Isaiah joins them too. Everyone would have to take a pay cut though.
Can they even afford to keep Lopez if they sign LBJ + George??
I highly doubt the guy is going to play for chump change next year either (decent pay cut)...
I feel like Brook Lopez would take a big pay cut provided he likes living in LA and wants to play on a good team. He will be 30 next season and has played on truly horrific teams for a number of years in a row. He also probably doesn't have the market he would have had 3-4 years back because he has kind of proven that he doesn't really move the needle in terms of wins and losses (he was the best player on the worst team in the league)
So would Brook Lopez be fine simply signing for the MLE?
Because cap projects to drop a tiny bit and assuming George and Lebron sign for full max each, they won't have any more $$$ left to spend via FA outside of exceptions.
They may even need to get rid of Deng, and at least one of Randle/Clarkson as well to even fit 2 max contracts I believe.
I think the MLE would be pretty fair for him. i don't know that he will get much more than that given his defensive issues, lack of impact on winning and past health issues.
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Some of you hunt for things to be afraid of.
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Absolutely not.
How in god's name can anybody envision Simmons and Lebron working together? They both need the ball in their hand 90% of the time in order to be most effective, and Simmon's greatest talent is his playmakng - something Lebron will want control over 24-7.
On top of that, having a Lebron, Simmons and Embiid on the court will offer no outside shooting outside of JJ Reddick...
And a team consisting of Simmons, Reddick and Lebron would be so terrible defensively that I can't even envision.
The reason the Sixers are playing so well right now is that Simmons and Embiid are the focal point of the team, and those two guys are playing great together. They have the potential to develop into a very unique Stockton-and-Malone type duo if they can stay healthy, and Philly would be idiots to do anything to threaten that potential core - even if it means bringing in Lebron. At 36 years of age (next year) Lebron will have at most 3 years left in him as a truly dominant force, while Simmons and Embiid have the potential to dominate the league as a duo for the next 10-12 years.
The last thing you want is Lebron coming on board and forcing everybody to change their games and make compromises to fit what he wants to do. He is the worst thing that could happen to the Sixers. The anti-process.
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I'm not afraid of LeBUM and couldn't care less where he goes except I hope he doesn't go to the C's.
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Absolutely not.
How in god's name can anybody envision Simmons and Lebron working together? They both need the ball in their hand 90% of the time in order to be most effective, and Simmon's greatest talent is his playmakng - something Lebron will want control over 24-7.
On top of that, having a Lebron, Simmons and Embiid on the court will offer no outside shooting outside of JJ Reddick...
And a team consisting of Simmons, Reddick and Lebron would be so terrible defensively that I can't even envision.
The reason the Sixers are playing so well right now is that Simmons and Embiid are the focal point of the team, and those two guys are playing great together. They have the potential to develop into a very unique Stockton-and-Malone type duo if they can stay healthy, and Philly would be idiots to do anything to threaten that potential core - even if it means bringing in Lebron. At 36 years of age (next year) Lebron will have at most 3 years left in him as a truly dominant force, while Simmons and Embiid have the potential to dominate the league as a duo for the next 10-12 years.
The last thing you want is Lebron coming on board and forcing everybody to change their games and make compromises to fit what he wants to do. He is the worst thing that could happen to the Sixers. The anti-process.
They would lose Reddick if Lebron signed there most likely. I also agree with everything you else you said here. It doesn't make much sense at any level.
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As for the Poll, I could see him going to the Knicks.
Lebron is an attention whoare of the highest degree, and he's gong to want to be somehwere where the lights shine bright and the entire worlds spotlight is on him.
I can envision him wanting to come to Boston, but Ainge having no interesting in mortgaging the future to make it happen. I can see him trying to join the Spurs, but Popovich wanting nothing to do with a self-obsessed narcissistic diva. I very much doubt the Cavs have any hope of challenging the Warriors this year, so I feel about 70% - 80% confident he isn't staying in Cleveland. I don't think Milwaukee would want him taking attention off Giannis.
Knicks make sense - with Kanter, Porzingis, Hardaway Jr the Knicks have a reasonably talented young team and are proving to be pretty competitive this year. They could use a star on the perimeter and could also use a dominant ball handler, so Lebron would actually be a very good fit there. Knicks fans would love him because he'd immediatley bring wins, and I think he'd instantly make the Knicks a contender again - which is something they have been dying to have for years (decades?). Seems like a match made in heaven. New York also seems like the perfect atmosphere to harbor Lebron's diva attitude, since they've had more than their share of diva's there int he past 10 years.
The Lakers somewhat fit too, but Lonzo ball looks like a disaster, Ingram still doesn't look like a top 3 pick, Randle is a bum, and can't imagine how Lebron's selfish diva (there goe's that word again!!!) attitude would mesh with Magic Johnson...given that Lebron seems to want pull rank and pull the strings on every team he plays on, while I somehow don't see Magic Johnson (one of the few men in the league who has just as much credibility as Lebron) being especially happy to give up his control. Plus going to the west means having to compete with the Warriors and Rockets, and we all know the Lakers with Lebron are not beating either of those teams.
So, I'm going to say the Knicks. The roster fits, since they could use a player with his skill set.
Their phase fits, as they are a young upcoming team that could take a really huge leap forward with the addition of an elite veteran leader. They don't have much in the way of coaching or leadership, so they'd likely be happy for Lebron to come in and tell them what to do. On top of all that it's a city built around bright lights and drama - something that Lebron seems to not be able to get enough of. And it's a city that has been desperate for a winning team since Patrick Ewing left, so they would likely worship Lebron if he can make them relevant again - and we all know Lebron's ego loves nothing more then some worshiping.
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As for the Poll, I could see him going to the Knicks.
Lebron is an attention whoare of the highest degree, and he's gong to want to be somehwere where the lights shine bright and the entire worlds spotlight is on him.
I can envision him wanting to come to Boston, but Ainge having no interesting in mortgaging the future to make it happen. I can see him trying to join the Spurs, but Popovich wanting nothing to do with a self-obsessed narcissistic diva. I very much doubt the Cavs have any hope of challenging the Warriors this year, so I feel about 70% - 80% confident he isn't staying in Cleveland. I don't think Milwaukee would want him taking attention off Giannis.
Knicks make sense - with Kanter, Porzingis, Hardaway Jr the Knicks have a reasonably talented young team and are proving to be pretty competitive this year. They could use a star on the perimeter and could also use a dominant ball handler, so Lebron would actually be a very good fit there. Knicks fans would love him because he'd immediatley bring wins, and I think he'd instantly make the Knicks a contender again - which is something they have been dying to have for years (decades?). Seems like a match made in heaven. New York also seems like the perfect atmosphere to harbor Lebron's diva attitude, since they've had more than their share of diva's there int he past 10 years.
The Lakers somewhat fit too, but Lonzo ball looks like a disaster, Ingram still doesn't look like a top 3 pick, Randle is a bum, and can't imagine how Lebron's selfish diva (there goe's that word again!!!) attitude would mesh with Magic Johnson...given that Lebron seems to want pull rank and pull the strings on every team he plays on, while I somehow don't see Magic Johnson (one of the few men in the league who has just as much credibility as Lebron) being especially happy to give up his control. Plus going to the west means having to compete with the Warriors and Rockets, and we all know the Lakers with Lebron are not beating either of those teams.
So, I'm going to say the Knicks. The roster fits, since they could use a player with his skill set.
Their phase fits, as they are a young upcoming team that could take a really huge leap forward with the addition of an elite veteran leader. They don't have much in the way of coaching or leadership, so they'd likely be happy for Lebron to come in and tell them what to do. On top of all that it's a city built around bright lights and drama - something that Lebron seems to not be able to get enough of. And it's a city that has been desperate for a winning team since Patrick Ewing left, so they would likely worship Lebron if he can make them relevant again - and we all know Lebron's ego loves nothing more then some worshiping.
There was an article about this on the Ringer and they made it seem pretty plausible. I really do think Lebron had his fun party time in Miami, his going home narrative and delivering a championship and now wants to be on a huge stage as he prepares for his post basketball life and owning a team. LA and New York make sense for that I think any team he goes on except like the Magic or Nets would become a contender with him.
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Typical the sky is falling stuff.
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As for the Poll, I could see him going to the Knicks.
Lebron is an attention whoare of the highest degree, and he's gong to want to be somehwere where the lights shine bright and the entire worlds spotlight is on him.
I can envision him wanting to come to Boston, but Ainge having no interesting in mortgaging the future to make it happen. I can see him trying to join the Spurs, but Popovich wanting nothing to do with a self-obsessed narcissistic diva. I very much doubt the Cavs have any hope of challenging the Warriors this year, so I feel about 70% - 80% confident he isn't staying in Cleveland. I don't think Milwaukee would want him taking attention off Giannis.
Knicks make sense - with Kanter, Porzingis, Hardaway Jr the Knicks have a reasonably talented young team and are proving to be pretty competitive this year. They could use a star on the perimeter and could also use a dominant ball handler, so Lebron would actually be a very good fit there. Knicks fans would love him because he'd immediatley bring wins, and I think he'd instantly make the Knicks a contender again - which is something they have been dying to have for years (decades?). Seems like a match made in heaven. New York also seems like the perfect atmosphere to harbor Lebron's diva attitude, since they've had more than their share of diva's there int he past 10 years.
The Lakers somewhat fit too, but Lonzo ball looks like a disaster, Ingram still doesn't look like a top 3 pick, Randle is a bum, and can't imagine how Lebron's selfish diva (there goe's that word again!!!) attitude would mesh with Magic Johnson...given that Lebron seems to want pull rank and pull the strings on every team he plays on, while I somehow don't see Magic Johnson (one of the few men in the league who has just as much credibility as Lebron) being especially happy to give up his control. Plus going to the west means having to compete with the Warriors and Rockets, and we all know the Lakers with Lebron are not beating either of those teams.
So, I'm going to say the Knicks. The roster fits, since they could use a player with his skill set.
Their phase fits, as they are a young upcoming team that could take a really huge leap forward with the addition of an elite veteran leader. They don't have much in the way of coaching or leadership, so they'd likely be happy for Lebron to come in and tell them what to do. On top of all that it's a city built around bright lights and drama - something that Lebron seems to not be able to get enough of. And it's a city that has been desperate for a winning team since Patrick Ewing left, so they would likely worship Lebron if he can make them relevant again - and we all know Lebron's ego loves nothing more then some worshiping.
I could see the Knicks too, although it would be a bit awkward with Kanter there LOL. :laugh:
But idk, Lebron didn't seem happy the way it played out with the Knicks FO and Carmelo Anthony (His good friend), and although he was more frustrated with Phil Jackson, I think Lebron may also not be fond of James Dolan either.
That being said, NYK is definitely an option at least, especially with Porzingis there, and some youth as well.
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Yesterday's team + Embiid and possibly Lebron would be WAY TOO MUCH for us to handle (even after getting back a healthy Hayward)
Even Kyrie (our best player) would be the considered the 4th best player of both teams combined...
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Yesterday's team + Embiid and possibly Lebron would be WAY TOO MUCH for us to handle (even after getting back a healthy Hayward)
Even Kyrie (our best player) would be the considered the 4th best player of both teams combined...
I'm pretty sure Kyrie would be considered the 2nd best player in that game. A healthy Embiid would have a case, but certainly not Simmons. I suppose you may be adding another year of growth to his game, but Kyrie is currently a much better player than Simmons. It would have to be quite a jump - very possible in the future, but unlikely in the next year or two.
I would even say that Hayward is a solid #4 with Horford fighting it out with Simmons for #5. Lebron is so the best player, though, that I agree that they would probably be a lot for us to handle. Tatum and Brown could have some sway.
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Yesterday's team + Embiid and possibly Lebron would be WAY TOO MUCH for us to handle (even after getting back a healthy Hayward)
Even Kyrie (our best player) would be the considered the 4th best player of both teams combined...
Wow what a sky is falling post for something that won't ever happen. I would see yesterday's game and think "wow when they get Hayward, an in his prime all-star, back that team with the best record in basketball that won like 22 out of 24 games will be a lot to handle..." that's just me though
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Yesterday's team + Embiid and possibly Lebron would be WAY TOO MUCH for us to handle (even after getting back a healthy Hayward)
Even Kyrie (our best player) would be the considered the 4th best player of both teams combined...
Wow what a sky is falling post for something that won't ever happen. I would see yesterday's game and think "wow when they get Hayward, an in his prime all-star, back that team with the best record in basketball that won like 22 out of 24 games will be a lot to handle..." that's just me though
won't ever happen? come on, there is obviously a chance James goes to Philly. Especially if Embiid and Simmons both make it through the year healthy
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Absolutely not.
How in god's name can anybody envision Simmons and Lebron working together? They both need the ball in their hand 90% of the time in order to be most effective, and Simmon's greatest talent is his playmakng - something Lebron will want control over 24-7.
On top of that, having a Lebron, Simmons and Embiid on the court will offer no outside shooting outside of JJ Reddick...
And a team consisting of Simmons, Reddick and Lebron would be so terrible defensively that I can't even envision.
The reason the Sixers are playing so well right now is that Simmons and Embiid are the focal point of the team, and those two guys are playing great together. They have the potential to develop into a very unique Stockton-and-Malone type duo if they can stay healthy, and Philly would be idiots to do anything to threaten that potential core - even if it means bringing in Lebron. At 36 years of age (next year) Lebron will have at most 3 years left in him as a truly dominant force, while Simmons and Embiid have the potential to dominate the league as a duo for the next 10-12 years.
The last thing you want is Lebron coming on board and forcing everybody to change their games and make compromises to fit what he wants to do. He is the worst thing that could happen to the Sixers. The anti-process.
They would lose Reddick if Lebron signed there most likely. I also agree with everything you else you said here. It doesn't make much sense at any level.
They could use the MLE to re-sign Redick. They are basically paying him 3 times more than he's made in a single year. I think they have better options but signing Lebron on a 1+1 deal would make some sense in the short term. My main concern would be the Lebron baggage not Lebron/Simmons fit or any other on court issues.
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Absolutely not.
How in god's name can anybody envision Simmons and Lebron working together? They both need the ball in their hand 90% of the time in order to be most effective, and Simmon's greatest talent is his playmakng - something Lebron will want control over 24-7.
On top of that, having a Lebron, Simmons and Embiid on the court will offer no outside shooting outside of JJ Reddick...
And a team consisting of Simmons, Reddick and Lebron would be so terrible defensively that I can't even envision.
The reason the Sixers are playing so well right now is that Simmons and Embiid are the focal point of the team, and those two guys are playing great together. They have the potential to develop into a very unique Stockton-and-Malone type duo if they can stay healthy, and Philly would be idiots to do anything to threaten that potential core - even if it means bringing in Lebron. At 36 years of age (next year) Lebron will have at most 3 years left in him as a truly dominant force, while Simmons and Embiid have the potential to dominate the league as a duo for the next 10-12 years.
The last thing you want is Lebron coming on board and forcing everybody to change their games and make compromises to fit what he wants to do. He is the worst thing that could happen to the Sixers. The anti-process.
They would lose Reddick if Lebron signed there most likely. I also agree with everything you else you said here. It doesn't make much sense at any level.
They could use the MLE to re-sign Redick. They are basically paying him 3 times more than he's made in a single year. I think they have better options but signing Lebron on a 1+1 deal would make some sense in the short term. My main concern would be the Lebron baggage not Lebron/Simmons fit or any other on court issues.
yeah they can easily fit Redick and James if they dump Bayless somewhere (which shouldn't be that hard with a 1st round pick or two attached) and assuming Redick is fine with a 10 million or so contract (which again I don't see why he wouldn't be).
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Yesterday's team + Embiid and possibly Lebron would be WAY TOO MUCH for us to handle (even after getting back a healthy Hayward)
Even Kyrie (our best player) would be the considered the 4th best player of both teams combined...
Wow what a sky is falling post for something that won't ever happen. I would see yesterday's game and think "wow when they get Hayward, an in his prime all-star, back that team with the best record in basketball that won like 22 out of 24 games will be a lot to handle..." that's just me though
won't ever happen? come on, there is obviously a chance James goes to Philly. Especially if Embiid and Simmons both make it through the year healthy
I honestly don't think there is any chance. I will give you a 100 Tps if he is there next season. I really think people are understanding that Lebron James is a corporation on to himself. The access to power and celebrity in LA will really help him build his business empire. He is such a good basketball player any team he goes to except for a small handful of teams (magic, nets) becomes an instant contender. If he wants LA and to be out with his sons he will find a way to make them a great team. Him going to a cold weather city with a middling economy to play alongside two guys that are years away from their prime and still worse than golden state is a bizarre fantasy.
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Absolutely not.
How in god's name can anybody envision Simmons and Lebron working together? They both need the ball in their hand 90% of the time in order to be most effective, and Simmon's greatest talent is his playmakng - something Lebron will want control over 24-7.
On top of that, having a Lebron, Simmons and Embiid on the court will offer no outside shooting outside of JJ Reddick...
And a team consisting of Simmons, Reddick and Lebron would be so terrible defensively that I can't even envision.
The reason the Sixers are playing so well right now is that Simmons and Embiid are the focal point of the team, and those two guys are playing great together. They have the potential to develop into a very unique Stockton-and-Malone type duo if they can stay healthy, and Philly would be idiots to do anything to threaten that potential core - even if it means bringing in Lebron. At 36 years of age (next year) Lebron will have at most 3 years left in him as a truly dominant force, while Simmons and Embiid have the potential to dominate the league as a duo for the next 10-12 years.
The last thing you want is Lebron coming on board and forcing everybody to change their games and make compromises to fit what he wants to do. He is the worst thing that could happen to the Sixers. The anti-process.
They would lose Reddick if Lebron signed there most likely. I also agree with everything you else you said here. It doesn't make much sense at any level.
They could use the MLE to re-sign Redick. They are basically paying him 3 times more than he's made in a single year. I think they have better options but signing Lebron on a 1+1 deal would make some sense in the short term. My main concern would be the Lebron baggage not Lebron/Simmons fit or any other on court issues.
yeah they can easily fit Redick and James if they dump Bayless somewhere (which shouldn't be that hard with a 1st round pick or two attached) and assuming Redick is fine with a 10 million or so contract (which again I don't see why he wouldn't be).
Reddick is making 23 million this year. He isn't one of these guys that was making 20 million his whole career. I think he could get 15 on the open market cause he could be the kind of player that puts a contender in need of shooting over the top. Not sure he takes a 5 million paycut to play for a city he spent 1 year in. By all means though let's keep the circle hug going on how everything will work perfect for philly.
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Absolutely not.
How in god's name can anybody envision Simmons and Lebron working together? They both need the ball in their hand 90% of the time in order to be most effective, and Simmon's greatest talent is his playmakng - something Lebron will want control over 24-7.
On top of that, having a Lebron, Simmons and Embiid on the court will offer no outside shooting outside of JJ Reddick...
And a team consisting of Simmons, Reddick and Lebron would be so terrible defensively that I can't even envision.
The reason the Sixers are playing so well right now is that Simmons and Embiid are the focal point of the team, and those two guys are playing great together. They have the potential to develop into a very unique Stockton-and-Malone type duo if they can stay healthy, and Philly would be idiots to do anything to threaten that potential core - even if it means bringing in Lebron. At 36 years of age (next year) Lebron will have at most 3 years left in him as a truly dominant force, while Simmons and Embiid have the potential to dominate the league as a duo for the next 10-12 years.
The last thing you want is Lebron coming on board and forcing everybody to change their games and make compromises to fit what he wants to do. He is the worst thing that could happen to the Sixers. The anti-process.
They would lose Reddick if Lebron signed there most likely. I also agree with everything you else you said here. It doesn't make much sense at any level.
They could use the MLE to re-sign Redick. They are basically paying him 3 times more than he's made in a single year. I think they have better options but signing Lebron on a 1+1 deal would make some sense in the short term. My main concern would be the Lebron baggage not Lebron/Simmons fit or any other on court issues.
yeah they can easily fit Redick and James if they dump Bayless somewhere (which shouldn't be that hard with a 1st round pick or two attached) and assuming Redick is fine with a 10 million or so contract (which again I don't see why he wouldn't be).
Reddick is making 23 million this year. He isn't one of these guys that was making 20 million his whole career. I think he could get 15 on the open market cause he could be the kind of player that puts a contender in need of shooting over the top. Not sure he takes a 5 million paycut to play for a city he spent 1 year in. By all means though let's keep the circle hug going on how everything will work perfect for philly.
which of the 6 or so teams with that kind of cap space are going to sign Redick for that kind of money, and assuming you find 1 that will give him that kind of money, why would Redick leave a playoff team to go there?
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Absolutely not.
How in god's name can anybody envision Simmons and Lebron working together? They both need the ball in their hand 90% of the time in order to be most effective, and Simmon's greatest talent is his playmakng - something Lebron will want control over 24-7.
On top of that, having a Lebron, Simmons and Embiid on the court will offer no outside shooting outside of JJ Reddick...
And a team consisting of Simmons, Reddick and Lebron would be so terrible defensively that I can't even envision.
The reason the Sixers are playing so well right now is that Simmons and Embiid are the focal point of the team, and those two guys are playing great together. They have the potential to develop into a very unique Stockton-and-Malone type duo if they can stay healthy, and Philly would be idiots to do anything to threaten that potential core - even if it means bringing in Lebron. At 36 years of age (next year) Lebron will have at most 3 years left in him as a truly dominant force, while Simmons and Embiid have the potential to dominate the league as a duo for the next 10-12 years.
The last thing you want is Lebron coming on board and forcing everybody to change their games and make compromises to fit what he wants to do. He is the worst thing that could happen to the Sixers. The anti-process.
They would lose Reddick if Lebron signed there most likely. I also agree with everything you else you said here. It doesn't make much sense at any level.
They could use the MLE to re-sign Redick. They are basically paying him 3 times more than he's made in a single year. I think they have better options but signing Lebron on a 1+1 deal would make some sense in the short term. My main concern would be the Lebron baggage not Lebron/Simmons fit or any other on court issues.
yeah they can easily fit Redick and James if they dump Bayless somewhere (which shouldn't be that hard with a 1st round pick or two attached) and assuming Redick is fine with a 10 million or so contract (which again I don't see why he wouldn't be).
Reddick is making 23 million this year. He isn't one of these guys that was making 20 million his whole career. I think he could get 15 on the open market cause he could be the kind of player that puts a contender in need of shooting over the top. Not sure he takes a 5 million paycut to play for a city he spent 1 year in. By all means though let's keep the circle hug going on how everything will work perfect for philly.
which of the 6 or so teams with that kind of cap space are going to sign Redick for that kind of money, and assuming you find 1 that will give him that kind of money, why would Redick leave a playoff team to go there?
Sigh we are having the same discussion on several threads and I know you know enough about basketball to know cap space situations can change very quickly with trades. The funniest part to me is that when it is something you want to happen like Lebron going to Philly you quickly point out how the 76ers could dump Bayless to clear cap space. However when it is something you don't like the idea of you can't wrap your head around how a team could do it. We just had a discussion on how easily the Suns could clear room if they were hell bent on it. We could do that with just about every team.
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Absolutely not.
How in god's name can anybody envision Simmons and Lebron working together? They both need the ball in their hand 90% of the time in order to be most effective, and Simmon's greatest talent is his playmakng - something Lebron will want control over 24-7.
On top of that, having a Lebron, Simmons and Embiid on the court will offer no outside shooting outside of JJ Reddick...
And a team consisting of Simmons, Reddick and Lebron would be so terrible defensively that I can't even envision.
The reason the Sixers are playing so well right now is that Simmons and Embiid are the focal point of the team, and those two guys are playing great together. They have the potential to develop into a very unique Stockton-and-Malone type duo if they can stay healthy, and Philly would be idiots to do anything to threaten that potential core - even if it means bringing in Lebron. At 36 years of age (next year) Lebron will have at most 3 years left in him as a truly dominant force, while Simmons and Embiid have the potential to dominate the league as a duo for the next 10-12 years.
The last thing you want is Lebron coming on board and forcing everybody to change their games and make compromises to fit what he wants to do. He is the worst thing that could happen to the Sixers. The anti-process.
They would lose Reddick if Lebron signed there most likely. I also agree with everything you else you said here. It doesn't make much sense at any level.
They could use the MLE to re-sign Redick. They are basically paying him 3 times more than he's made in a single year. I think they have better options but signing Lebron on a 1+1 deal would make some sense in the short term. My main concern would be the Lebron baggage not Lebron/Simmons fit or any other on court issues.
yeah they can easily fit Redick and James if they dump Bayless somewhere (which shouldn't be that hard with a 1st round pick or two attached) and assuming Redick is fine with a 10 million or so contract (which again I don't see why he wouldn't be).
Reddick is making 23 million this year. He isn't one of these guys that was making 20 million his whole career. I think he could get 15 on the open market cause he could be the kind of player that puts a contender in need of shooting over the top. Not sure he takes a 5 million paycut to play for a city he spent 1 year in. By all means though let's keep the circle hug going on how everything will work perfect for philly.
which of the 6 or so teams with that kind of cap space are going to sign Redick for that kind of money, and assuming you find 1 that will give him that kind of money, why would Redick leave a playoff team to go there?
Sigh we are having the same discussion on several threads and I know you know enough about basketball to know cap space situations can change very quickly with trades. The funniest part to me is that when it is something you want to happen like Lebron going to Philly you quickly point out how the 76ers could dump Bayless to clear cap space. However when it is something you don't like the idea of you can't wrap your head around how a team could do it. We just had a discussion on how easily the Suns could clear room if they were hell bent on it. We could do that with just about every team.
not to get to max cap room or to sign someone like Redick. Teams don't dump salary with 1st round picks (or other assets) to sign someone like JJ Redick.
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Yesterday's team + Embiid and possibly Lebron would be WAY TOO MUCH for us to handle (even after getting back a healthy Hayward)
Even Kyrie (our best player) would be the considered the 4th best player of both teams combined...
I'm pretty sure Kyrie would be considered the 2nd best player in that game. A healthy Embiid would have a case, but certainly not Simmons. I suppose you may be adding another year of growth to his game, but Kyrie is currently a much better player than Simmons. It would have to be quite a jump - very possible in the future, but unlikely in the next year or two.
I would even say that Hayward is a solid #4 with Horford fighting it out with Simmons for #5. Lebron is so the best player, though, that I agree that they would probably be a lot for us to handle. Tatum and Brown could have some sway.
Maybe 3rd best, but a healthy Embiid easily over Kyrie. Dude is a monster lol.
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Kind of think at this point, it's Philadelphia 76ers or Los Angeles Lakers.
I think Lebron somewhat acknowledges that unless the Warriors suffer like 2 big injuries, the Cavs as constructed aren't getting past them in the Finals (even with healthy Isaiah).
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He buying home and found high school for little bronny .
It s all over but signing the ink.
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Kind of think at this point, it's Philadelphia 76ers or Los Angeles Lakers.
I think Lebron somewhat acknowledges that unless the Warriors suffer like 2 big injuries, the Cavs as constructed aren't getting past them in the Finals (even with healthy Isaiah).
Id say the Cavs are overwhelming favorites for Bron's services at the moment.
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This thread is pathetic and an embarrassment to the board. Should be deleted.
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http://www.phillyvoice.com/three-lebron-james-philly-billboards-installed-cleveland/
Looks like the Sixers are going all-in with their recruiting of Lebron :o
(Remember Simmons IG post right before the All Star Break also?)
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We could only be so lucky. Would be a bad move for Philly future long term.
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We could only be so lucky. Would be a bad move for Philly future long term.
Why? They add Lebron for just $$ and still keep building w/their young core.
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We could only be so lucky. Would be a bad move for Philly future long term.
Why? They add Lebron for just $$ and still keep building w/their young core.
Can we have this merged into a Lebron Free agency thread? I don't think we need separate threads for every possible thing that could happen with Lebron. This is basically the same discussion happening in the "legacy" thread.
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Yes, but he won't. Agree with the poll that LAL is most likely if he does leave. Simmons is too ball dominant in PHI, and the guys in LAL, along with PG, would willingly defer to him.
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Yes, but he won't. Agree with the poll that LAL is most likely if he does leave. Simmons is too ball dominant in PHI, and the guys in LAL, along with PG, would willingly defer to him.
I don't really get the Bron to LAL thing. First, he'd only go there if Paul George does. In this case, there would be 4 SF (Bron, Paul George, Kuzma and Ingram). I know in today's day and age of positionless basketball it works a bit better, but Nobody can really argue that any of those guys can truly cover a 2 who is running all over the floor.
Second, LeBron has to see he's got a maximum window of 2-3 years. Why join a team who's best players are all young?
Time will tell.
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We could only be so lucky. Would be a bad move for Philly future long term.
Why? They add Lebron for just $$ and still keep building w/their young core.
Bad fit with Simmons who has similar skill set.
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Yes, but he won't. Agree with the poll that LAL is most likely if he does leave. Simmons is too ball dominant in PHI, and the guys in LAL, along with PG, would willingly defer to him.
I don't really get the Bron to LAL thing. First, he'd only go there if Paul George does. In this case, there would be 4 SF (Bron, Paul George, Kuzma and Ingram). I know in today's day and age of positionless basketball it works a bit better, but Nobody can really argue that any of those guys can truly cover a 2 who is running all over the floor.
Second, LeBron has to see he's got a maximum window of 2-3 years. Why join a team who's best players are all young?
Time will tell.
I'm also doubtful that he'll leave. If he does, LAL just seems to make sense for 2 main reasons: he'd have a decent supporting cast (a leap from Ball and Ingram would help a lot) that would defer to him as the alpha; if he's willing to trade Kyrie for PG, he must be really high on PG.
Re: Ingram, I've also seen him play a lot of position this year, including some point guard recently. Those guys are pretty versatile and play an uptempo, run and gun style that suits them well. I'd guess every FO has tried to emulate GSW to an extent, including BOS, though most haven't pulled it off as well as BOS.
Yeah, time will tell. I'm doubtful he leaves, but of the teams out there, LAL would seem to be enticing to LBJ alongside PG.
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Yes. Doomed for 2 years probably. But injuries are part of the game...even Lebron will start to age and tire...especially with so many post seasons played to the end. And sometimes aging superstars produce some very ugly basketball for a while before they finally retire...the awkward transition from go-to-guy to has-been....so hopefully some of all of that would come into play should he go to Philly.
And the Sixers remain entirely dependent on Embiid's health for the forseeable future, with or without Lebron.
edit: unless we can trade for AD. Then we wouldn't be doomed anymore.
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I think the Sixers would need to make it to the ECF or at least have a strong showing losing in the 2nd round to attract Lebron.
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he is too old to start over there . Too much work for very doubtful or slim chance of finals appearance befote he is retirement age . He can get more glory and money ultimately in LA.
His BIG draw is LA ......the side business opportunities , movies , huge constant fame and glory to add to his legacy .
Winning in Cleveland is just about sports . He can climb to higher glory in LA .
Which ......i ve heard some LA fans say they don't want LeBron . He will tie up the rebuilding a long term team with huge contracts and he is OLD ....plus he seems not tomwant to play defense now ...he is unlikely to play more defense in up comming years . The Ball family's , Magic , and Lebron might be TOO many divsa in one house.
one thing .....with all those characters , hating on Lakers will be easier than ever.
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While I don't put much credence in these type of reports because I don't think James has truly given his next stop all that much thought, multiple people are reporting James has a list of 4 teams that he will consider. The Cavs, Lakers, Rockets, and Sixers.
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/03/08/lebron-james-free-agency-list-cavaliers-lakers-rockets-sixers
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he is too old to start over there . Too much work for very doubtful or slim chance of finals appearance befote he is retirement age . He can get more glory and money ultimately in LA.
His BIG draw is LA ......the side business opportunities , movies , huge constant fame and glory to add to his legacy .
Winning in Cleveland is just about sports . He can climb to higher glory in LA .
Which ......i ve heard some LA fans say they don't want LeBron . He will tie up the rebuilding a long term team with huge contracts and he is OLD ....plus he seems not tomwant to play defense now ...he is unlikely to play more defense in up comming years . The Ball family's , Magic , and Lebron might be TOO many divsa in one house.
one thing .....with all those characters , hating on Lakers will be easier than ever.
I would argue that Simmons + Embiid>the total combination of anything promising that the Lakers and the Clippers currently have.
While Lebron + Simmons might be a challenge on the court at the same time, I think there's a lot of potential there.
If PHI lands Lebron, I see no reason why they can't go out and acquire veterans that would want to jump on a championship run.
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As far as fit, I see the Lakers as poor as a fit as the Sixers --- Lonzo and Simmons both need the ball to really excel, and unless Lebron is going to play SF/PF full time, Lebron + Lonzo or Lebron + Simmons doesnt appear to be a good idea.
If he IS willing to take on more of a SF/PF role, Houston would make more sense than either the Sixers or Lakers because they are significantly better and that would mean LBJ doesnt care about having ball dominant teammates (of which there are 2 in Houston).
I expect the choice to be Cleveland or Houston if this is a basketball decision, and LA only if his goal is movies rather than sports at this point...
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As far as fit, I see the Lakers as poor as a fit as the Sixers --- Lonzo and Simmons both need the ball to really excel, and unless Lebron is going to play SF/PF full time, Lebron + Lonzo or Lebron + Simmons doesnt appear to be a good idea.
If he IS willing to take on more of a SF/PF role, Houston would make more sense than either the Sixers or Lakers because they are significantly better and that would mean LBJ doesnt care about having ball dominant teammates (of which there are 2 in Houston).
I expect the choice to be Cleveland or Houston if this is a basketball decision, and LA only if his goal is movies rather than sports at this point...
I wouldn't be shocked to see Ball or Simmons get moved in a package if Lebron were to join either organization. I doubt either roster would stay stagnant + Lebron.
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While I don't put much credence in these type of reports because I don't think James has truly given his next stop all that much thought, multiple people are reporting James has a list of 4 teams that he will consider. The Cavs, Lakers, Rockets, and Sixers.
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/03/08/lebron-james-free-agency-list-cavaliers-lakers-rockets-sixers
If he Doesnt consider this stuff before the offseason he can't really have a list
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I still believe it makes the most sense for him to join the Sixers. Oh, by the way, the Sixers have 44M on the books for salary next year so why not sign 2 stars to join that youth.
1. Hatred of Kyrie- What better way to stick it to Kyrie then join a team in Celtics division and then beat them for a few years.
2. Hatred of Celtics- We know how Lebron feels about us
3. They have top youth on that team that will only get better- True Center to join
4. Stay in Eastern Conference- Land of the tankfastic
5. Best way to get back to Finals
6. They can add more then one max star player- Reddick, Amir, Booker all come of the books-43M there just from that
I would say better then 50% chance he puts on a Sixers uniform. It really does make the most sense.
Doomed is a strong word but it will be super tough to beat that team if they add 2 superstars to that mix. Not unless we make a big "Center" move ourselves. I know Hayward is coming back but we still need an answer for their center and if Lebron is there. What a conference finals it would be though 8)
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I still believe it makes the most sense for him to join the Sixers. Oh, by the way, the Sixers have 44M on the books for salary next year so why not sign 2 stars to join that youth.
1. Hatred of Kyrie- What better way to stick it to Kyrie then join a team in Celtics division and then beat them for a few years.
2. Hatred of Celtics- We know how Lebron feels about us
3. They have top youth on that team that will only get better- True Center to join
4. Stay in Eastern Conference- Land of the tankfastic
5. Best way to get back to Finals
6. They can add more then one max star player- Reddick, Amir, Booker all come of the books-43M there just from that
I would say better then 50% chance he puts on a Sixers uniform. It really does make the most sense.
Doomed is a strong word but it will be super tough to beat that team if they add 2 superstars to that mix. Not unless we make a big "Center" move ourselves. I know Hayward is coming back but we still need an answer for their center and if Lebron is there. What a conference finals it would be though 8)
You are forgetting about Joel Embiid's $148M/5yr extension that he signed in October, which could actually be as much as $178M if he makes and All-NBA team this year (not impossible). The Sixers are still a scary choice for Lebron, especially if they deal Simmons/Fultz/LAL pick for another 'star', but luckily they won't have as much cap space as HoopsHype seems to indicate.
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I still believe it makes the most sense for him to join the Sixers. Oh, by the way, the Sixers have 44M on the books for salary next year so why not sign 2 stars to join that youth.
1. Hatred of Kyrie- What better way to stick it to Kyrie then join a team in Celtics division and then beat them for a few years.
2. Hatred of Celtics- We know how Lebron feels about us
3. They have top youth on that team that will only get better- True Center to join
4. Stay in Eastern Conference- Land of the tankfastic
5. Best way to get back to Finals
6. They can add more then one max star player- Reddick, Amir, Booker all come of the books-43M there just from that
I would say better then 50% chance he puts on a Sixers uniform. It really does make the most sense.
Doomed is a strong word but it will be super tough to beat that team if they add 2 superstars to that mix. Not unless we make a big "Center" move ourselves. I know Hayward is coming back but we still need an answer for their center and if Lebron is there. What a conference finals it would be though 8)
You are forgetting about Joel Embiid's $148M/5yr extension that he signed in October, which could actually be as much as $178M if he makes and All-NBA team this year (not impossible). The Sixers are still a scary choice for Lebron, especially if they deal Simmons/Fultz/LAL pick for another 'star', but luckily they won't have as much cap space as HoopsHype seems to indicate.
Yeah they have like 70 million under contract next year (without counting the Laker pick), so even signing James to 35% will require them to move someone like Bayless for no salary back and giving up rights to all free agents. That said, that would still be a heck of a team, and they would still have plenty of tradable assets to add in some other vets.
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Philly is doomed when Hayward is back next year.
Who comes up with these crap threads?
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Philly is doomed when Hayward is back next year.
Who comes up with these crap threads?
Tp man. This thread is an embarrassment to the board.
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I have a source telling me that LeBron to Philly has +80% to get through.
Talks have been made if all goes according to plan it is done.
My opinion is that their LAL pick, one that will land between 10-12th place and Šarić are 100% gone if it happens. Two very good assets to circle the roster around LBJ, Simmons, and Embiid. I don't think we are doomed, but we will have a tough time playing them if they are able to put everything together. They would be legit.
Dario made big improvements in shooting efficiency and volume, he is a young starter on a playoff team and he embraced his diminished role (an undervalued trait in this league).
Hommie...good nickname for a white dude that immediately promised that he will come from Europe (Efes, Turkey) to Philly 2 years after the draft. He followed through on his promise, even though it meant that his contract will be tied to the rookie scale and not the regular contract that he would be eligible to sign if he had stayed for another year (like Bogdan Bogdanović did in Sacramento). His promise to the fans meant more to him than money - now that's a Jack if I ever saw one.
Hommie will likely get moved.
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You know how I know that LeBron is going to Philly? Because everyone I think about it I throw up in my mouth. Someone please post the photo of KG, Saric, and Embiid. KG looks small compared to those guys. It's shocking that Saric is that big and Embiid makes both of them look small.
It is also well documented that Ben Simmons is LeBron's little buddy in Mentor and I don't buy the fact that LeBron and Simmons can't play together they would be unbelievable together coupled with Saric, who is way underrated, and an emerging Fultz and that team is unbeatable until LeBron loses his magic.
That's 3 Franchise players on the same team, LeBron, Simmons, Embiid. Plus number one overall pick Fultz. A couple of veteran shooters or Three and D guys and it's a wrap.
Embiid
Saric
LeBron
Fultz/Covington
Simmons
By the way, Philly has one 10 in a row without LeBron. I rest my case.
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Philadelphia may become a new titletown. Their city just won another championship...Villanova.
Perhaps the Flyers may be next.
But back on topic...seems possible seeing that the 76ers look dangerous with their three franchise players when fully healthy. With LeBron at the helm, the East may be no match for them.
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You know how I know that LeBron is going to Philly? Because everyone I think about it I throw up in my mouth. Someone please post the photo of KG, Saric, and Embiid. KG looks small compared to those guys. It's shocking that Saric is that big and Embiid makes both of them look small.
It is also well documented that Ben Simmons is LeBron's little buddy in Mentor and I don't buy the fact that LeBron and Simmons can't play together they would be unbelievable together coupled with Saric, who is way underrated, and an emerging Fultz and that team is unbeatable until LeBron loses his magic.
That's 3 Franchise players on the same team, LeBron, Simmons, Embiid. Plus number one overall pick Fultz. A couple of veteran shooters or Three and D guys and it's a wrap.
Embiid
Saric
LeBron
Fultz/Covington
Simmons
By the way, Philly has one 10 in a row without LeBron. I rest my case.
TP for the topic.
This has been a concern of mine for awhile.
What especially scared me is that some say the Sixers could have enough space to land George too!!!!!
How scary would that be?
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You know how I know that LeBron is going to Philly? Because everyone I think about it I throw up in my mouth. Someone please post the photo of KG, Saric, and Embiid. KG looks small compared to those guys. It's shocking that Saric is that big and Embiid makes both of them look small.
It is also well documented that Ben Simmons is LeBron's little buddy in Mentor and I don't buy the fact that LeBron and Simmons can't play together they would be unbelievable together coupled with Saric, who is way underrated, and an emerging Fultz and that team is unbeatable until LeBron loses his magic.
That's 3 Franchise players on the same team, LeBron, Simmons, Embiid. Plus number one overall pick Fultz. A couple of veteran shooters or Three and D guys and it's a wrap.
Embiid
Saric
LeBron
Fultz/Covington
Simmons
By the way, Philly has one 10 in a row without LeBron. I rest my case.
LeBron getting old.Fultz.Simmons can't shoot a lick, Embiid made of glass and Covington is largely overpaid, Saric a role player/average starter
I don't see what to be afraid of? maybe the name on paper?
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You know how I know that LeBron is going to Philly? Because everyone I think about it I throw up in my mouth. Someone please post the photo of KG, Saric, and Embiid. KG looks small compared to those guys. It's shocking that Saric is that big and Embiid makes both of them look small.
It is also well documented that Ben Simmons is LeBron's little buddy in Mentor and I don't buy the fact that LeBron and Simmons can't play together they would be unbelievable together coupled with Saric, who is way underrated, and an emerging Fultz and that team is unbeatable until LeBron loses his magic.
That's 3 Franchise players on the same team, LeBron, Simmons, Embiid. Plus number one overall pick Fultz. A couple of veteran shooters or Three and D guys and it's a wrap.
Embiid
Saric
LeBron
Fultz/Covington
Simmons
By the way, Philly has one 10 in a row without LeBron. I rest my case.
TP for the topic.
This has been a concern of mine for awhile.
What especially scared me is that some say the Sixers could have enough space to land George too!!!!!
How scary would that be?
The Sixers don't have enough space to land Lebron and George. They should have about 25M so they'll have to do some work (e.g. get rid of Bayless) to free up space for 1 of them.
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Can we at least merge these threads and not have multiple Sky is falling Lebron to Philly threads?
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You know how I know that LeBron is going to Philly? Because everyone I think about it I throw up in my mouth. Someone please post the photo of KG, Saric, and Embiid. KG looks small compared to those guys. It's shocking that Saric is that big and Embiid makes both of them look small.
It is also well documented that Ben Simmons is LeBron's little buddy in Mentor and I don't buy the fact that LeBron and Simmons can't play together they would be unbelievable together coupled with Saric, who is way underrated, and an emerging Fultz and that team is unbeatable until LeBron loses his magic.
That's 3 Franchise players on the same team, LeBron, Simmons, Embiid. Plus number one overall pick Fultz. A couple of veteran shooters or Three and D guys and it's a wrap.
Embiid
Saric
LeBron
Fultz/Covington
Simmons
By the way, Philly has one 10 in a row without LeBron. I rest my case.
LeBron getting old.Fultz.Simmons can't shoot a lick, Embiid made of glass and Covington is largely overpaid, Saric a role player/average starter
I don't see what to be afraid of? maybe the name on the paper?
That is a very shortsighted assessment of the Philly future.
Viewing 20-23-year-olds like they are 30, without any room to get better.
Which clearly is not the case within this talented group.
It does us no good to underestimate anyone.
Simmons is a force.
Embiid is the best (Off/Def aggregate) center in the league.
Šarić made huge improvements this past year and is a vet at age of 23.
Covington is a top 3&D player. He is young, can his threes in barrages and defends the best wings each night.
Fultz at the very least is an asset that someone (5-10 teams) would invest in big.
I just hope that LBJ doesn't consume another team with his:
- general conflict of interest due to his sports agency
- dismissing and disrespecting another team coach and his habits and ideas
- kicks Šarić somewhere else as his collateral victim
- takes Simmons ball away from him
- makes Joel's charisma sunshine less bright due to jealousy
- when it all fails (and it will since we are in the East) - finds a way to make the media blame the kids for his/teams failure.
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You know how I know that LeBron is going to Philly? Because everyone I think about it I throw up in my mouth. Someone please post the photo of KG, Saric, and Embiid. KG looks small compared to those guys. It's shocking that Saric is that big and Embiid makes both of them look small.
It is also well documented that Ben Simmons is LeBron's little buddy in Mentor and I don't buy the fact that LeBron and Simmons can't play together they would be unbelievable together coupled with Saric, who is way underrated, and an emerging Fultz and that team is unbeatable until LeBron loses his magic.
That's 3 Franchise players on the same team, LeBron, Simmons, Embiid. Plus number one overall pick Fultz. A couple of veteran shooters or Three and D guys and it's a wrap.
Embiid
Saric
LeBron
Fultz/Covington
Simmons
By the way, Philly has one 10 in a row without LeBron. I rest my case.
LeBron getting old.Fultz.Simmons can't shoot a lick, Embiid made of glass and Covington is largely overpaid, Saric a role player/average starter
I don't see what to be afraid of? maybe the name on paper?
Very head in the sand of you.
Lebron still the best player in the game. Imagine him on a young, good team where he doesn't have to play so many minutes. Imagine him on a top defensive team.
Embiid arguably the best center in the game. He was on track for 70 games played until this weird facial injury. Imagine him on a team where he's the 2nd best player.
Simmons is essentially a 6'10 playoff Rondo at this point. He doesn't need to be able to shoot a lick with Lebron and Embiid and a couple of shooters on the court. However if he should develop a decent jumper, watch out.
Covington is most definitely not overpaid. He signed a front loaded contract so his salary drops to 10.4M next season. That's a bargain for a good, starting 3+D wing.
Saric may just be an average starter but he only needs to be their 4th or 5th best player. He improved his 3pt shooting to 39.9% this season. Best of all he's still got 2 years left of his rookie contract.
Fultz seems to be getting back on track now. I don't think he's a franchise player but if he becomes an average started that's plenty good enough for a stacked team.
Redick most likely re-signs with the Sixers on a much more reasonable contract if Lebron signs with the Sixers.
The Sixers were already able to attract two of the best players (Ilyasova and Bellineli) available after this trade deadline. Imagine how well they'd do as a true championship contender.
The Sixers have good cap space. They'd only have 2 big contracts with Lebron and Embiid. There'd be no luxury tax concerns for a few years. They could even trade for another Max player.
The Sixers have another chance to get a good young player with the LaKings pick. Plus they have their own 1sts, a bunch of 2nds and some young players (Korkmaz, TLC, Bolden, ...) who could develop. Heck, they could get really lucky and get the #1 picks in 2018 and 2019.
Pretty scary if they get Lebron and things go reasonably well for them.
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You know how I know that LeBron is going to Philly? Because everyone I think about it I throw up in my mouth. Someone please post the photo of KG, Saric, and Embiid. KG looks small compared to those guys. It's shocking that Saric is that big and Embiid makes both of them look small.
It is also well documented that Ben Simmons is LeBron's little buddy in Mentor and I don't buy the fact that LeBron and Simmons can't play together they would be unbelievable together coupled with Saric, who is way underrated, and an emerging Fultz and that team is unbeatable until LeBron loses his magic.
That's 3 Franchise players on the same team, LeBron, Simmons, Embiid. Plus number one overall pick Fultz. A couple of veteran shooters or Three and D guys and it's a wrap.
Embiid
Saric
LeBron
Fultz/Covington
Simmons
By the way, Philly has one 10 in a row without LeBron. I rest my case.
LeBron getting old.Fultz.Simmons can't shoot a lick, Embiid made of glass and Covington is largely overpaid, Saric a role player/average starter
I don't see what to be afraid of? maybe the name on the paper?
That is a very shortsighted assessment of the Philly future.
Viewing 20-23-year-olds like they are 30, without any room to get better.
Which clearly is not the case within this talented group.
It does us no good to underestimate anyone.
Simmons is a force.
Embiid is the best (Off/Def aggregate) center in the league.
Šarić made huge improvements this past year and is a vet at age of 23.
Covington is a top 3&D player. He is young, can his threes in barrages and defends the best wings each night.
Fultz at the very least is an asset that someone (5-10 teams) would invest in big.
I just hope that LBJ doesn't consume another team with his:
- general conflict of interest due to his sports agency
- dismissing and disrespecting another team coach and his habits and ideas
- kicks Šarić somewhere else as his collateral victim
- takes Simmons ball away from him
- makes Joel's charisma sunshine less bright due to jealousy
- when it all fails (and it will since we are in the East) - finds a way to make the media blame the kids for his/teams failure.
TP. I agree with your comments and that Lebron's baggage is the biggest concern. I assume that he'll be looking to sign a long contract this offseason so his play is likely to drop off at some point during it. I see the appeal of getting Lebron but I think an Embiid/Simons led team is more interesting. If I were them, I'd focus on PG this offseason (or Butler or Thompson the following offseason).
Don't understand the "when it all fails (and it will since we are in the East)" comment. Add Lebron to the Sixers and I think they are the favorites over GSW and Houston. KD would wet his bed knowing that the Sixers would have Lebron, Simmons and Covington to throw at him defensively and backstopped by Embiid.
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I have a source telling me that LeBron to Philly has +80% to get through.
Talks have been made if all goes according to plan it is done.
My opinion is that their LAL pick, one that will land between 10-12th place and Šarić are 100% gone if it happens. Two very good assets to circle the roster around LBJ, Simmons, and Embiid. I don't think we are doomed, but we will have a tough time playing them if they are able to put everything together. They would be legit.
Dario made big improvements in shooting efficiency and volume, he is a young starter on a playoff team and he embraced his diminished role (an undervalued trait in this league).
Hommie...good nickname for a white dude that immediately promised that he will come from Europe (Efes, Turkey) to Philly 2 years after the draft. He followed through on his promise, even though it meant that his contract will be tied to the rookie scale and not the regular contract that he would be eligible to sign if he had stayed for another year (like Bogdan Bogdanović did in Sacramento). His promise to the fans meant more to him than money - now that's a Jack if I ever saw one.
Hommie will likely get moved.
Who would they use the LaKings pick plus Saric on? PG in a sign and trade? I think that is too much for Kemba with only a year on his contract. Plus I don't think Kemba would be a good fit with Simmons and Lebron. They'd really need a Klay Thompson type player to go with Lebron, Simmons and Embiid but I'm not sure who that is.
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I have a source telling me that LeBron to Philly has +80% to get through.
Talks have been made if all goes according to plan it is done.
My opinion is that their LAL pick, one that will land between 10-12th place and Šarić are 100% gone if it happens. Two very good assets to circle the roster around LBJ, Simmons, and Embiid. I don't think we are doomed, but we will have a tough time playing them if they are able to put everything together. They would be legit.
Dario made big improvements in shooting efficiency and volume, he is a young starter on a playoff team and he embraced his diminished role (an undervalued trait in this league).
Hommie...good nickname for a white dude that immediately promised that he will come from Europe (Efes, Turkey) to Philly 2 years after the draft. He followed through on his promise, even though it meant that his contract will be tied to the rookie scale and not the regular contract that he would be eligible to sign if he had stayed for another year (like Bogdan Bogdanović did in Sacramento). His promise to the fans meant more to him than money - now that's a Jack if I ever saw one.
Hommie will likely get moved.
Who would they use the LaKings pick plus Saric on? PG in a sign and trade? I think that is too much for Kemba with only a year on his contract. Plus I don't think Kemba would be a good fit with Simmons and Lebron. They'd really need a Klay Thompson type player to go with Lebron, Simmons, and Embiid but I'm not sure who that is.
Yes, they need a 3&D guys on steroids in that case.
Klay is staying put IMO.
Kemba is a superfluous ball handler in this ecosystem.
My guess would be - Kawhi or PG13.
Those guys are worth it;
- both shoot 3's (Simons, Fultz don't, Embiid not as good to be a stretch 5)
- both are experienced (title ready)
- both defend the leagues best players
- both can play for 5 more years with this core
However, I believe that for PG13 it would be too good of a chance to pass up on being the "King of L.A.". Home kid, a clear best option on that team. Also, having all these kids to complement him is a nice building block (either with internal or external-trade improvement) and then after one more year of preparation, the 2nd max guy can pair with him to make a decent team and a run in the west.
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Nothing to worry about Embiid is injury prone, does anyone think that LeBron has looked at Fultz this year and I want to play with that guy? If LeBron goes here he will regret it.
I have a source telling me that LeBron to Philly has +80% to get through.
Talks have been made if all goes according to plan it is done.
That would be tampering. I would guess your source to be Saric.
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We already have another sky is falling thread involving LeBron going to Philly. Was this one necessary. Besides it is not even true, we are done, the game is not over. Embiid just got hurt again was still have playing time restrictions. No way does LeBron look at Fultz and say I want to pass the torch to this guy or play with him. Relax!
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Nothing to worry about Embiid is injury prone, does anyone think that LeBron has looked at Fultz this year and I want to play with that guy? If LeBron goes here he will regret it.
I have a source telling me that LeBron to Philly has +80% to get through.
Talks have been made if all goes according to plan it is done.
That would be tampering. I would guess your source to be Saric.
I'll stick to the 2-sources policy before being comfortable saying it is true.
Smarter men than me made that rule.
Tampering = Clutchsports
IMHO, there is no such thing as non-tampering in any business.
Art, Industry, Politics, Nobel prize...you name it.
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You know how I know that LeBron is going to Philly? Because everyone I think about it I throw up in my mouth. Someone please post the photo of KG, Saric, and Embiid. KG looks small compared to those guys. It's shocking that Saric is that big and Embiid makes both of them look small.
It is also well documented that Ben Simmons is LeBron's little buddy in Mentor and I don't buy the fact that LeBron and Simmons can't play together they would be unbelievable together coupled with Saric, who is way underrated, and an emerging Fultz and that team is unbeatable until LeBron loses his magic.
That's 3 Franchise players on the same team, LeBron, Simmons, Embiid. Plus number one overall pick Fultz. A couple of veteran shooters or Three and D guys and it's a wrap.
Embiid
Saric
LeBron
Fultz/Covington
Simmons
By the way, Philly has one 10 in a row without LeBron. I rest my case.
LeBron getting old.Fultz.Simmons can't shoot a lick, Embiid made of glass and Covington is largely overpaid, Saric a role player/average starter
I don't see what to be afraid of? maybe the name on paper?
Very head in the sand of you.
Lebron still the best player in the game. Imagine him on a young, good team where he doesn't have to play so many minutes. Imagine him on a top defensive team.
Embiid arguably the best center in the game. He was on track for 70 games played until this weird facial injury. Imagine him on a team where he's the 2nd best player.
Simmons is essentially a 6'10 playoff Rondo at this point. He doesn't need to be able to shoot a lick with Lebron and Embiid and a couple of shooters on the court. However if he should develop a decent jumper, watch out.
Covington is most definitely not overpaid. He signed a front loaded contract so his salary drops to 10.4M next season. That's a bargain for a good, starting 3+D wing.
Saric may just be an average starter but he only needs to be their 4th or 5th best player. He improved his 3pt shooting to 39.9% this season. Best of all he's still got 2 years left of his rookie contract.
Fultz seems to be getting back on track now. I don't think he's a franchise player but if he becomes an average started that's plenty good enough for a stacked team.
Redick most likely re-signs with the Sixers on a much more reasonable contract if Lebron signs with the Sixers.
The Sixers were already able to attract two of the best players (Ilyasova and Bellineli) available after this trade deadline. Imagine how well they'd do as a true championship contender.
The Sixers have good cap space. They'd only have 2 big contracts with Lebron and Embiid. There'd be no luxury tax concerns for a few years. They could even trade for another Max player.
The Sixers have another chance to get a good young player with the LaKings pick. Plus they have their own 1sts, a bunch of 2nds and some young players (Korkmaz, TLC, Bolden, ...) who could develop. Heck, they could get really lucky and get the #1 picks in 2018 and 2019.
Pretty scary if they get Lebron and things go reasonably well for them.
Well to me you are the one putting your head in the sand from your scary imaginations but OK
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Maybe I'm old and grumpy and from a different generation but guys forming super teams has become super lame.
Get off my lawn!
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Maybe I'm old and grumpy and from a different generation but guys forming super teams has become super lame.
Get off my lawn!
I get you.
But honestly, we the fans deserve some blame as well.
We don't give some transcendental ringless guys enough credit.
Even if a guy wins "just one", like say, Dirk, he can never match someone that has 3 or 4.
Players figured that out and went the other route.
Heck, the best player of our era sneezed in for his rings,
the 2nd best repeated that.
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They don't have the cap or media presence to make it happen but Lebron should find a way to go to Portland.
Lillard/CJ/Aminu/Bron/Nurkic
Aminu is shooting the best percentage of corner three's this year in the league. One of Lebrons best weapons is his ability to hit the guy for the corner three.
CJ is one of the best spot up shooters in the game whether its a pull up 2 or from the three point line. He doesnt get to the line much because his jumper is so sweet. A perfect Lebron compliment.
I think Nurkic gets a little nasty with Lebron chirpin in his ear. Nasty Nurkic is beastly.
Then of course Lillard is just deadly.
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Maybe I'm old and grumpy and from a different generation but guys forming super teams has become super lame.
Get off my lawn!
I get you.
But honestly, we the fans deserve some blame as well.
We don't give some transcendental ringless guys enough credit.
Even if a guy wins "just one", like say, Dirk, he can never match someone that has 3 or 4.
Players figured that out and went the other route.
Heck, the best player of our era sneezed in for his rings,
the 2nd best repeated that.
Sneezed?
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Maybe I'm old and grumpy and from a different generation but guys forming super teams has become super lame.
Get off my lawn!
I get you.
But honestly, we the fans deserve some blame as well.
We don't give some transcendental ringless guys enough credit.
Even if a guy wins "just one", like say, Dirk, he can never match someone that has 3 or 4.
Players figured that out and went the other route.
Heck, the best player of our era sneezed in for his rings,
the 2nd best repeated that.
Sneezed?
Squeezed!
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At some point in the near future, LeBron will take his talents to a max contract. The team that signs him to a max deal is going to regret it halfway into it. It may not be obvious to the untrained eye, but he is showing signs of slowing down. Athletic only players don't age well, and he has so many miles on the tires. He has no jumpshot or 3 pointer to fall back on, so once the motor starts to die down, he's finished.
Add to that our serious (i.e. we are the favorites to win every year) championship window is in about 3 years from now when Horford comes off the books (re-signs for Vet Min or MLE, please?) and Tatum is a top 20 player in the league, and you shouldn't concern yourself too much with LeBron. He should be doing his farewell tour by then on an inflated contract.
He's also not going to Philly. A young team and a 34 year old looking to win now are incompatible. He's going to join a sure thing like the coward we all know him to be.
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At some point in the near future, LeBron will take his talents to a max contract. The team that signs him to a max deal is going to regret it halfway into it. It may not be obvious to the untrained eye, but he is showing signs of slowing down. Athletic only players don't age well, and he has so many miles on the tires. He has no jumpshot or 3 pointer to fall back on, so once the motor starts to die down, he's finished.
Add to that our serious (i.e. we are the favorites to win every year) championship window is in about 3 years from now when Horford comes off the books (re-signs for Vet Min or MLE, please?) and Tatum is a top 20 player in the league, and you shouldn't concern yourself too much with LeBron. He should be doing his farewell tour by then on an inflated contract.
He's also not going to Philly. A young team and a 34 year old looking to win now are incompatible. He's going to join a sure thing like the coward we all know him to be.
I don't even know where to begin with this post. Just so much wrong with it.
First, James has had 5 of his last 7 season shooting over 36% from three. While not elite, that certainly is good enough. Those same 5 seasons, he also shot well over 40% from 10-16 feet. Again, not elite, but again good enough. His TS% in each of the last two seasons is 61.9% and his eFG% is pushing 60%, which is most definitely elite. He doesn't get all of those shots solely because he is an elite athlete, he gets them because he is highly skilled and incredibly strong as well.
Second, physically Karl Malone is probably the best comparison. He was a similar height and similar strength. James is obviously far more athletic than Malone ever was, but they look fairly similar physically. Malone was never injured until his final year in the league at age 40. At age 39 Malone played in 80 games and was still averaging over 20 a game. He won the MVP at age 35, finished 4th at age 36, and 7th at 37. Now obviously James isn't Malone, but the physical similarities can't be disregarded either.
Third, the Sixers are the exact type of team a guy like James would join if his goal was to continue winning championships. They have at least 2 franchise level talents in Embiid and Simmons (that doesn't mean they both fulfill that potential or that they stay healthy) as well as Fultz (who was the #1 pick for a reason), Saric (who has all star level talent), and Covington (solid 3 and D level starter). They have other young NBA bench level players (McConnell, Holmes, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Korkmaz). They have the Lakers or Kings pick in addition to every single one of their own picks. With a simple salary dump of Bayless, they have room to offer James a max contract. They can then use some of their assets to acquire another top level player (think the Love trade), while still keeping Embiid and Simmons. The Sixers are a 50 win team (or right near it) without James and basically without Fultz (thus making them a far better team than the Cleveland team James joined when he went back home). You add James to that team, they are the clear favorites in the East for at least the next couple of seasons, and it really isn't much of a debate.
James is easy to hate and easy to dislike, so I don't know why anyone needs to just make stuff up to hate on him.
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If Boston beats The Cavs and LeBron loses to Kyrie, he goes to the 76ers just out of spite😂
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At some point in the near future, LeBron will take his talents to a max contract. The team that signs him to a max deal is going to regret it halfway into it. It may not be obvious to the untrained eye, but he is showing signs of slowing down. Athletic only players don't age well, and he has so many miles on the tires. He has no jumpshot or 3 pointer to fall back on, so once the motor starts to die down, he's finished.
Add to that our serious (i.e. we are the favorites to win every year) championship window is in about 3 years from now when Horford comes off the books (re-signs for Vet Min or MLE, please?) and Tatum is a top 20 player in the league, and you shouldn't concern yourself too much with LeBron. He should be doing his farewell tour by then on an inflated contract.
He's also not going to Philly. A young team and a 34 year old looking to win now are incompatible. He's going to join a sure thing like the coward we all know him to be.
I don't even know where to begin with this post. Just so much wrong with it.
First, James has had 5 of his last 7 season shooting over 36% from three. While not elite, that certainly is good enough. Those same 5 seasons, he also shot well over 40% from 10-16 feet. Again, not elite, but again good enough. His TS% in each of the last two seasons is 61.9% and his eFG% is pushing 60%, which is most definitely elite. He doesn't get all of those shots solely because he is an elite athlete, he gets them because he is highly skilled and incredibly strong as well.
Second, physically Karl Malone is probably the best comparison. He was a similar height and similar strength. James is obviously far more athletic than Malone ever was, but they look fairly similar physically. Malone was never injured until his final year in the league at age 40. At age 39 Malone played in 80 games and was still averaging over 20 a game. He won the MVP at age 35, finished 4th at age 36, and 7th at 37. Now obviously James isn't Malone, but the physical similarities can't be disregarded either.
Third, the Sixers are the exact type of team a guy like James would join if his goal was to continue winning championships. They have at least 2 franchise level talents in Embiid and Simmons (that doesn't mean they both fulfill that potential or that they stay healthy) as well as Fultz (who was the #1 pick for a reason), Saric (who has all star level talent), and Covington (solid 3 and D level starter). They have other young NBA bench level players (McConnell, Holmes, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Korkmaz). They have the Lakers or Kings pick in addition to every single one of their own picks. With a simple salary dump of Bayless, they have room to offer James a max contract. They can then use some of their assets to acquire another top level player (think the Love trade), while still keeping Embiid and Simmons. The Sixers are a 50 win team (or right near it) without James and basically without Fultz (thus making them a far better team than the Cleveland team James joined when he went back home). You add James to that team, they are the clear favorites in the East for at least the next couple of seasons, and it really isn't much of a debate.
James is easy to hate and easy to dislike, so I don't know why anyone needs to just make stuff up to hate on him.
I agree with the sentiment here regarding James’ likelihood to continue to perform well into his late 30’s, but you disregard how poorly he would fit in with Simmons and Fultz. Those two can’t even play together given their overlapping need to control the ball and poor outside shooting, and the Sixers would add James to that group? I see Simmons really having a problem with that. I think James knows he is most effective surrounded by 3 point shooters. Not saying it won’t happen, just that it makes little sense for all involved. Maybe if Sixers offered Simmons and Fultz package for Davis, then I could see James coming in. That (James, Davis and Embiid) would be a dominant team.
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At some point in the near future, LeBron will take his talents to a max contract. The team that signs him to a max deal is going to regret it halfway into it. It may not be obvious to the untrained eye, but he is showing signs of slowing down. Athletic only players don't age well, and he has so many miles on the tires. He has no jumpshot or 3 pointer to fall back on, so once the motor starts to die down, he's finished.
Add to that our serious (i.e. we are the favorites to win every year) championship window is in about 3 years from now when Horford comes off the books (re-signs for Vet Min or MLE, please?) and Tatum is a top 20 player in the league, and you shouldn't concern yourself too much with LeBron. He should be doing his farewell tour by then on an inflated contract.
He's also not going to Philly. A young team and a 34 year old looking to win now are incompatible. He's going to join a sure thing like the coward we all know him to be.
I don't even know where to begin with this post. Just so much wrong with it.
First, James has had 5 of his last 7 season shooting over 36% from three. While not elite, that certainly is good enough. Those same 5 seasons, he also shot well over 40% from 10-16 feet. Again, not elite, but again good enough. His TS% in each of the last two seasons is 61.9% and his eFG% is pushing 60%, which is most definitely elite. He doesn't get all of those shots solely because he is an elite athlete, he gets them because he is highly skilled and incredibly strong as well.
Second, physically Karl Malone is probably the best comparison. He was a similar height and similar strength. James is obviously far more athletic than Malone ever was, but they look fairly similar physically. Malone was never injured until his final year in the league at age 40. At age 39 Malone played in 80 games and was still averaging over 20 a game. He won the MVP at age 35, finished 4th at age 36, and 7th at 37. Now obviously James isn't Malone, but the physical similarities can't be disregarded either.
Third, the Sixers are the exact type of team a guy like James would join if his goal was to continue winning championships. They have at least 2 franchise level talents in Embiid and Simmons (that doesn't mean they both fulfill that potential or that they stay healthy) as well as Fultz (who was the #1 pick for a reason), Saric (who has all star level talent), and Covington (solid 3 and D level starter). They have other young NBA bench level players (McConnell, Holmes, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Korkmaz). They have the Lakers or Kings pick in addition to every single one of their own picks. With a simple salary dump of Bayless, they have room to offer James a max contract. They can then use some of their assets to acquire another top level player (think the Love trade), while still keeping Embiid and Simmons. The Sixers are a 50 win team (or right near it) without James and basically without Fultz (thus making them a far better team than the Cleveland team James joined when he went back home). You add James to that team, they are the clear favorites in the East for at least the next couple of seasons, and it really isn't much of a debate.
James is easy to hate and easy to dislike, so I don't know why anyone needs to just make stuff up to hate on him.
Definitely a popular opinion. Can't say I blame you. In two years from now, you'll see that I'm most likely correct. Numbers rarely lie and "father time always wins." A few points:
1) Karl Malone came into the league at 22. If comparing them, you need to compare LeBron's current season to Malone's at 36. As you can see, sure he might give you 1 or 2 more "good" years, but is Malone's production at 39 worth a max deal? Definitely not. Also, Malone had a disgusting post game. Other than athleticism, LeBron's real only spectacular offensive ability is court vision/passing. He can be a point guard at some point once the legs and back start failing. Like I said, though, it's an overpay. There are far better ACTUAL point guards than him that can be gotten for dirt cheap. He's just impressive because he's athletic AND can be a PG. Again, it all goes back to athleticism.
2) His shooting levels are not max worthy. You can't hype them enough to have a leg to stand on in this argument. He's a very average shooter. In fact, teams used to just dare him to shoot when he was actually unstoppable driving to the lane. Now that he isn't that explosive anymore and his shooting is up, they're taking the compromise and guarding him midway. He still has a long way to go, though, to be useful in his twilight years.
3) Embiid and Simmons are already franchise levels talents? Give me a break. I'm afraid to inform you that the koolaid was poison. You also had the nerve to even mention Markelle Fultz? Saric? Covington? McConnell?? Jesus Christ you sound like a 76ers fanboy or Danny Ainge when talking about Terry Rozier. While the team MAY be good (depending on Embiid's health) in say 3 or 4 years, LeBron will be long past his prime by then. This isn't a good situation for him.
I believe that he goes to a team like the Rockets or Spurs.
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We already have another sky is falling thread involving LeBron going to Philly. Was this one necessary. Besides it is not even true, we are done, the game is not over. Embiid just got hurt again was still have playing time restrictions. No way does LeBron look at Fultz and say I want to pass the torch to this guy or play with him. Relax!
What are u guys even taking about with Fultz? He's just a bonus and a potential huge trade piece. It's LeBron, Embiid, And Simmons that are the franchise. Saric and Covington are great role players and again you could get a great package for Fultz. Example, Veteran three and D PG plus a rotation player and a draft pick.
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If the Sixers trade for Kawhi then sign LeBron we might end up being doomed.
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Yes. We are 100% screwed if Lebron teams up with Simmons and Embiid. So is the rest of the league. I'd love to see how that style of play compares to Golden State's perimeter game.
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If the Sixers trade for Kawhi then sign LeBron we might end up being doomed.
yeah that would totally suck. At first ...until brothers stopped being brothers and jealousy sits in. Leonards the only one who can defensively put some clamps on Lebron. .......both on same team would not be good.
Lebrons biggest issue is GETTING along with others on a team.....something he never learned , being spoiled since he was 15 years old. ....he is a BAD lsitener ......awful to coach ......Im not sure how many REAl coachs want to be bossed by a single player. He needs a baby sitter and yes man .
There are other alpha s on Philly, not sure these rising stars want to bossed and dropped a rung on the importance ladder submitting to Lebron . Irving and Bosh learned to hate his dominating presence.
Other than Doc Rivers. " surpreme brown noser" .....and Lakers .....who,will change coaches for players on a whim and specialize in Diva kissing .....there are not alot situations that welcome Lebron and his personality. or the teams have real coach ...like Mavs ...who won't put up,with Lebrons childish behavior.
Lakers where the kids are not stars but really good , the coach is expendable, and the frontboffice will do anything to make him happy seems the best place for Lebron.
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At some point in the near future, LeBron will take his talents to a max contract. The team that signs him to a max deal is going to regret it halfway into it. It may not be obvious to the untrained eye, but he is showing signs of slowing down. Athletic only players don't age well, and he has so many miles on the tires. He has no jumpshot or 3 pointer to fall back on, so once the motor starts to die down, he's finished.
Add to that our serious (i.e. we are the favorites to win every year) championship window is in about 3 years from now when Horford comes off the books (re-signs for Vet Min or MLE, please?) and Tatum is a top 20 player in the league, and you shouldn't concern yourself too much with LeBron. He should be doing his farewell tour by then on an inflated contract.
He's also not going to Philly. A young team and a 34 year old looking to win now are incompatible. He's going to join a sure thing like the coward we all know him to be.
I don't even know where to begin with this post. Just so much wrong with it.
First, James has had 5 of his last 7 season shooting over 36% from three. While not elite, that certainly is good enough. Those same 5 seasons, he also shot well over 40% from 10-16 feet. Again, not elite, but again good enough. His TS% in each of the last two seasons is 61.9% and his eFG% is pushing 60%, which is most definitely elite. He doesn't get all of those shots solely because he is an elite athlete, he gets them because he is highly skilled and incredibly strong as well.
Second, physically Karl Malone is probably the best comparison. He was a similar height and similar strength. James is obviously far more athletic than Malone ever was, but they look fairly similar physically. Malone was never injured until his final year in the league at age 40. At age 39 Malone played in 80 games and was still averaging over 20 a game. He won the MVP at age 35, finished 4th at age 36, and 7th at 37. Now obviously James isn't Malone, but the physical similarities can't be disregarded either.
Third, the Sixers are the exact type of team a guy like James would join if his goal was to continue winning championships. They have at least 2 franchise level talents in Embiid and Simmons (that doesn't mean they both fulfill that potential or that they stay healthy) as well as Fultz (who was the #1 pick for a reason), Saric (who has all star level talent), and Covington (solid 3 and D level starter). They have other young NBA bench level players (McConnell, Holmes, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Korkmaz). They have the Lakers or Kings pick in addition to every single one of their own picks. With a simple salary dump of Bayless, they have room to offer James a max contract. They can then use some of their assets to acquire another top level player (think the Love trade), while still keeping Embiid and Simmons. The Sixers are a 50 win team (or right near it) without James and basically without Fultz (thus making them a far better team than the Cleveland team James joined when he went back home). You add James to that team, they are the clear favorites in the East for at least the next couple of seasons, and it really isn't much of a debate.
James is easy to hate and easy to dislike, so I don't know why anyone needs to just make stuff up to hate on him.
Definitely a popular opinion. Can't say I blame you. In two years from now, you'll see that I'm most likely correct. Numbers rarely lie and "father time always wins." A few points:
1) Karl Malone came into the league at 22. If comparing them, you need to compare LeBron's current season to Malone's at 36. As you can see, sure he might give you 1 or 2 more "good" years, but is Malone's production at 39 worth a max deal? Definitely not. Also, Malone had a disgusting post game. Other than athleticism, LeBron's real only spectacular offensive ability is court vision/passing. He can be a point guard at some point once the legs and back start failing. Like I said, though, it's an overpay. There are far better ACTUAL point guards than him that can be gotten for dirt cheap. He's just impressive because he's athletic AND can be a PG. Again, it all goes back to athleticism.
2) His shooting levels are not max worthy. You can't hype them enough to have a leg to stand on in this argument. He's a very average shooter. In fact, teams used to just dare him to shoot when he was actually unstoppable driving to the lane. Now that he isn't that explosive anymore and his shooting is up, they're taking the compromise and guarding him midway. He still has a long way to go, though, to be useful in his twilight years.
3) Embiid and Simmons are already franchise levels talents? Give me a break. I'm afraid to inform you that the koolaid was poison. You also had the nerve to even mention Markelle Fultz? Saric? Covington? McConnell?? Jesus Christ you sound like a 76ers fanboy or Danny Ainge when talking about Terry Rozier. While the team MAY be good (depending on Embiid's health) in say 3 or 4 years, LeBron will be long past his prime by then. This isn't a good situation for him.
I believe that he goes to a team like the Rockets or Spurs.
Disgusting? Is that like "sick" or "dope"?
Lebron is a much better athlete than Malone. Leaps and bounds better. His athleticism should last much longer than Malone's did. While Malone did play college (and you play less games in college), are we supposed to discount Malone's mileage in college?
You're trying to break Lebron down into components when analyzing his skills. This doesn't work because the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Lebron's combo of size, skill, and athleticism is unmatched in NBA history. You can nitpick his jump shot all day long, but he is the size of Malone with Magic passing. When he drives to the lane, no one can stop him. They can foul him, but no one will consistently get clean blocks down low.
I don't think we need to preface that Embiid is an injury waiting to happen. That Fultz takedown was super flukey. Embiid has had good movement this year, and seems to have gotten over the lower body injury bug. PHI should manage his time, so I doubt you'll ever get 80 reg season games out of him, but I expect you'll be seeing him in the playoffs for years to come. None of us really can tell if he will continue to get hurt. I'm sure the Philly GM would love a crystal ball. What we do know is that he can play at a very high level in the NBA, and other players/GMs have given rave reviews of his game early in his career. Embiid can be similar to Olajuwon- he's that talented.
Simmons is also unique. While I'm not sure how Lebron and Simmons would play together, I'm very intrigued by the mismatch in size/athleticism. Throw in a Klay Thompson type shooter and its game, set, match.
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At some point in the near future, LeBron will take his talents to a max contract. The team that signs him to a max deal is going to regret it halfway into it. It may not be obvious to the untrained eye, but he is showing signs of slowing down. Athletic only players don't age well, and he has so many miles on the tires. He has no jumpshot or 3 pointer to fall back on, so once the motor starts to die down, he's finished.
Add to that our serious (i.e. we are the favorites to win every year) championship window is in about 3 years from now when Horford comes off the books (re-signs for Vet Min or MLE, please?) and Tatum is a top 20 player in the league, and you shouldn't concern yourself too much with LeBron. He should be doing his farewell tour by then on an inflated contract.
He's also not going to Philly. A young team and a 34 year old looking to win now are incompatible. He's going to join a sure thing like the coward we all know him to be.
I don't even know where to begin with this post. Just so much wrong with it.
First, James has had 5 of his last 7 season shooting over 36% from three. While not elite, that certainly is good enough. Those same 5 seasons, he also shot well over 40% from 10-16 feet. Again, not elite, but again good enough. His TS% in each of the last two seasons is 61.9% and his eFG% is pushing 60%, which is most definitely elite. He doesn't get all of those shots solely because he is an elite athlete, he gets them because he is highly skilled and incredibly strong as well.
Second, physically Karl Malone is probably the best comparison. He was a similar height and similar strength. James is obviously far more athletic than Malone ever was, but they look fairly similar physically. Malone was never injured until his final year in the league at age 40. At age 39 Malone played in 80 games and was still averaging over 20 a game. He won the MVP at age 35, finished 4th at age 36, and 7th at 37. Now obviously James isn't Malone, but the physical similarities can't be disregarded either.
Third, the Sixers are the exact type of team a guy like James would join if his goal was to continue winning championships. They have at least 2 franchise level talents in Embiid and Simmons (that doesn't mean they both fulfill that potential or that they stay healthy) as well as Fultz (who was the #1 pick for a reason), Saric (who has all star level talent), and Covington (solid 3 and D level starter). They have other young NBA bench level players (McConnell, Holmes, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Korkmaz). They have the Lakers or Kings pick in addition to every single one of their own picks. With a simple salary dump of Bayless, they have room to offer James a max contract. They can then use some of their assets to acquire another top level player (think the Love trade), while still keeping Embiid and Simmons. The Sixers are a 50 win team (or right near it) without James and basically without Fultz (thus making them a far better team than the Cleveland team James joined when he went back home). You add James to that team, they are the clear favorites in the East for at least the next couple of seasons, and it really isn't much of a debate.
James is easy to hate and easy to dislike, so I don't know why anyone needs to just make stuff up to hate on him.
Definitely a popular opinion. Can't say I blame you. In two years from now, you'll see that I'm most likely correct. Numbers rarely lie and "father time always wins." A few points:
1) Karl Malone came into the league at 22. If comparing them, you need to compare LeBron's current season to Malone's at 36. As you can see, sure he might give you 1 or 2 more "good" years, but is Malone's production at 39 worth a max deal? Definitely not. Also, Malone had a disgusting post game. Other than athleticism, LeBron's real only spectacular offensive ability is court vision/passing. He can be a point guard at some point once the legs and back start failing. Like I said, though, it's an overpay. There are far better ACTUAL point guards than him that can be gotten for dirt cheap. He's just impressive because he's athletic AND can be a PG. Again, it all goes back to athleticism.
2) His shooting levels are not max worthy. You can't hype them enough to have a leg to stand on in this argument. He's a very average shooter. In fact, teams used to just dare him to shoot when he was actually unstoppable driving to the lane. Now that he isn't that explosive anymore and his shooting is up, they're taking the compromise and guarding him midway. He still has a long way to go, though, to be useful in his twilight years.
3) Embiid and Simmons are already franchise levels talents? Give me a break. I'm afraid to inform you that the koolaid was poison. You also had the nerve to even mention Markelle Fultz? Saric? Covington? McConnell?? Jesus Christ you sound like a 76ers fanboy or Danny Ainge when talking about Terry Rozier. While the team MAY be good (depending on Embiid's health) in say 3 or 4 years, LeBron will be long past his prime by then. This isn't a good situation for him.
I believe that he goes to a team like the Rockets or Spurs.
Disgusting? Is that like "sick" or "dope"?
Lebron is a much better athlete than Malone. Leaps and bounds better. His athleticism should last much longer than Malone's did. While Malone did play college (and you play less games in college), are we supposed to discount Malone's mileage in college?
You're trying to break Lebron down into components when analyzing his skills. This doesn't work because the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Lebron's combo of size, skill, and athleticism is unmatched in NBA history. You can nitpick his jump shot all day long, but he is the size of Malone with Magic passing. When he drives to the lane, no one can stop him. They can foul him, but no one will consistently get clean blocks down low.
I don't think we need to preface that Embiid is an injury waiting to happen. That Fultz takedown was super flukey. Embiid has had good movement this year, and seems to have gotten over the lower body injury bug. PHI should manage his time, so I doubt you'll ever get 80 reg season games out of him, but I expect you'll be seeing him in the playoffs for years to come. None of us really can tell if he will continue to get hurt. I'm sure the Philly GM would love a crystal ball. What we do know is that he can play at a very high level in the NBA, and other players/GMs have given rave reviews of his game early in his career. Embiid can be similar to Olajuwon- he's that talented.
Simmons is also unique. While I'm not sure how Lebron and Simmons would play together, I'm very intrigued by the mismatch in size/athleticism. Throw in a Klay Thompson type shooter and its game, set, match.
Yeah disgusting as in very good.
Regarding Malone:
1) Yes I am discounting college because for a player of Malone's level, it's like if I were playing a 30 minute game against 8 year olds. It's not mileage it's basically just working out. LeBron came in at 19 and hit the ground running at 40 minutes a game against the best players in the world (NBA). No rookie watching, full load.
2) I agree that LeBron is more athletic, however, I disagree that because he is more athletic he somehow has more athleticism to lose as if it's a sort of expendable resource. It doesn't quite work that way. More often than not how it goes down is you get injured (nothing horrific.. just a sprain here, a tear there). At 34 years old, once you get injured, it's a very rapid decline regardless of your initial athleticism. The fact that his game is primarily based on athleticism means that he has so much more to lose.
I just can't believe that with all of the data we have on player decline vs age that my opinion is the contrarian view.
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At some point in the near future, LeBron will take his talents to a max contract. The team that signs him to a max deal is going to regret it halfway into it. It may not be obvious to the untrained eye, but he is showing signs of slowing down. Athletic only players don't age well, and he has so many miles on the tires. He has no jumpshot or 3 pointer to fall back on, so once the motor starts to die down, he's finished.
Add to that our serious (i.e. we are the favorites to win every year) championship window is in about 3 years from now when Horford comes off the books (re-signs for Vet Min or MLE, please?) and Tatum is a top 20 player in the league, and you shouldn't concern yourself too much with LeBron. He should be doing his farewell tour by then on an inflated contract.
He's also not going to Philly. A young team and a 34 year old looking to win now are incompatible. He's going to join a sure thing like the coward we all know him to be.
I don't even know where to begin with this post. Just so much wrong with it.
First, James has had 5 of his last 7 season shooting over 36% from three. While not elite, that certainly is good enough. Those same 5 seasons, he also shot well over 40% from 10-16 feet. Again, not elite, but again good enough. His TS% in each of the last two seasons is 61.9% and his eFG% is pushing 60%, which is most definitely elite. He doesn't get all of those shots solely because he is an elite athlete, he gets them because he is highly skilled and incredibly strong as well.
Second, physically Karl Malone is probably the best comparison. He was a similar height and similar strength. James is obviously far more athletic than Malone ever was, but they look fairly similar physically. Malone was never injured until his final year in the league at age 40. At age 39 Malone played in 80 games and was still averaging over 20 a game. He won the MVP at age 35, finished 4th at age 36, and 7th at 37. Now obviously James isn't Malone, but the physical similarities can't be disregarded either.
Third, the Sixers are the exact type of team a guy like James would join if his goal was to continue winning championships. They have at least 2 franchise level talents in Embiid and Simmons (that doesn't mean they both fulfill that potential or that they stay healthy) as well as Fultz (who was the #1 pick for a reason), Saric (who has all star level talent), and Covington (solid 3 and D level starter). They have other young NBA bench level players (McConnell, Holmes, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Korkmaz). They have the Lakers or Kings pick in addition to every single one of their own picks. With a simple salary dump of Bayless, they have room to offer James a max contract. They can then use some of their assets to acquire another top level player (think the Love trade), while still keeping Embiid and Simmons. The Sixers are a 50 win team (or right near it) without James and basically without Fultz (thus making them a far better team than the Cleveland team James joined when he went back home). You add James to that team, they are the clear favorites in the East for at least the next couple of seasons, and it really isn't much of a debate.
James is easy to hate and easy to dislike, so I don't know why anyone needs to just make stuff up to hate on him.
Definitely a popular opinion. Can't say I blame you. In two years from now, you'll see that I'm most likely correct. Numbers rarely lie and "father time always wins." A few points:
1) Karl Malone came into the league at 22. If comparing them, you need to compare LeBron's current season to Malone's at 36. As you can see, sure he might give you 1 or 2 more "good" years, but is Malone's production at 39 worth a max deal? Definitely not. Also, Malone had a disgusting post game. Other than athleticism, LeBron's real only spectacular offensive ability is court vision/passing. He can be a point guard at some point once the legs and back start failing. Like I said, though, it's an overpay. There are far better ACTUAL point guards than him that can be gotten for dirt cheap. He's just impressive because he's athletic AND can be a PG. Again, it all goes back to athleticism.
2) His shooting levels are not max worthy. You can't hype them enough to have a leg to stand on in this argument. He's a very average shooter. In fact, teams used to just dare him to shoot when he was actually unstoppable driving to the lane. Now that he isn't that explosive anymore and his shooting is up, they're taking the compromise and guarding him midway. He still has a long way to go, though, to be useful in his twilight years.
3) Embiid and Simmons are already franchise levels talents? Give me a break. I'm afraid to inform you that the koolaid was poison. You also had the nerve to even mention Markelle Fultz? Saric? Covington? McConnell?? Jesus Christ you sound like a 76ers fanboy or Danny Ainge when talking about Terry Rozier. While the team MAY be good (depending on Embiid's health) in say 3 or 4 years, LeBron will be long past his prime by then. This isn't a good situation for him.
I believe that he goes to a team like the Rockets or Spurs.
Disgusting? Is that like "sick" or "dope"?
Lebron is a much better athlete than Malone. Leaps and bounds better. His athleticism should last much longer than Malone's did. While Malone did play college (and you play less games in college), are we supposed to discount Malone's mileage in college?
You're trying to break Lebron down into components when analyzing his skills. This doesn't work because the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Lebron's combo of size, skill, and athleticism is unmatched in NBA history. You can nitpick his jump shot all day long, but he is the size of Malone with Magic passing. When he drives to the lane, no one can stop him. They can foul him, but no one will consistently get clean blocks down low.
I don't think we need to preface that Embiid is an injury waiting to happen. That Fultz takedown was super flukey. Embiid has had good movement this year, and seems to have gotten over the lower body injury bug. PHI should manage his time, so I doubt you'll ever get 80 reg season games out of him, but I expect you'll be seeing him in the playoffs for years to come. None of us really can tell if he will continue to get hurt. I'm sure the Philly GM would love a crystal ball. What we do know is that he can play at a very high level in the NBA, and other players/GMs have given rave reviews of his game early in his career. Embiid can be similar to Olajuwon- he's that talented.
Simmons is also unique. While I'm not sure how Lebron and Simmons would play together, I'm very intrigued by the mismatch in size/athleticism. Throw in a Klay Thompson type shooter and its game, set, match.
Yeah disgusting as in very good.
Regarding Malone:
1) Yes I am discounting college because for a player of Malone's level, it's like if I were playing a 30 minute game against 8 year olds. It's not mileage it's basically just working out. LeBron came in at 19 and hit the ground running at 40 minutes a game against the best players in the world (NBA). No rookie watching, full load.
2) I agree that LeBron is much more athletic, however, I disagree that because he is more athletic he somehow has more athleticism to lose as if it's a sort of expendable resource. It doesn't quite work that way. More often than not how it goes down is you get injured (nothing horrific.. just a sprain here, a tear there). At 34 years old, once you get injured, it's a very rapid decline regardless of your initial athleticism. The fact that his game is primarily based on athleticism means that he has so much more to lose.
I just can't believe that with all of the data we have on player decline vs age that my opinion is the contrarian view.
Erik I agree with you and have made the exact argument. Even about the Malone part. I do think that how much time and money and technology Lebron has to spend on treating his body extends his window a bit longer than it did during Malone's era, but it is still not forever. Also, Lebron's counting and shooting stats have been great this year, but watching him play a lot, his defensive has really really regressed. He can still be an amazing lockdown player on defense for spurts, but he no longer has the stamina in his mid 30's to do that and carry a dominate offensive load. I do think either his defense will continue to erode into just being flat our bad, or he will be more tired on offense and his shooting will worsen if his minutes are not reduced.
I think he will still be very very good next year but probably will have slipped a noticable amount beyond Davis, Harden, Durant and others and just be a top 10 player. The year after that he may just be a fringe all-star. Given that Simmons will be hitting his prime in 2-3 years and fultz the same, it kind of feels like a waste to me (especially given there are fit questions).
From Lebron's side, maybe he is turning over a new leaf as he ages, but he has really hated playing with young guys his whole career (and even a younger player like irving it really rubbed the wrong way). I don't see him joining Philly resulting in a title for the 76ers over the warriors barring injuries and I think it would potentially mess up their chance to compete for a title for 5-8 years for a chance to compete for 1-2 as an underdog....
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Yes, we have more data, but we also have increases in longevity with modern science. That, and Lebron is a unicorn. Unicorns don't follow statistical trends.
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At some point in the near future, LeBron will take his talents to a max contract. The team that signs him to a max deal is going to regret it halfway into it. It may not be obvious to the untrained eye, but he is showing signs of slowing down. Athletic only players don't age well, and he has so many miles on the tires. He has no jumpshot or 3 pointer to fall back on, so once the motor starts to die down, he's finished.
Add to that our serious (i.e. we are the favorites to win every year) championship window is in about 3 years from now when Horford comes off the books (re-signs for Vet Min or MLE, please?) and Tatum is a top 20 player in the league, and you shouldn't concern yourself too much with LeBron. He should be doing his farewell tour by then on an inflated contract.
He's also not going to Philly. A young team and a 34 year old looking to win now are incompatible. He's going to join a sure thing like the coward we all know him to be.
I don't even know where to begin with this post. Just so much wrong with it.
First, James has had 5 of his last 7 season shooting over 36% from three. While not elite, that certainly is good enough. Those same 5 seasons, he also shot well over 40% from 10-16 feet. Again, not elite, but again good enough. His TS% in each of the last two seasons is 61.9% and his eFG% is pushing 60%, which is most definitely elite. He doesn't get all of those shots solely because he is an elite athlete, he gets them because he is highly skilled and incredibly strong as well.
Second, physically Karl Malone is probably the best comparison. He was a similar height and similar strength. James is obviously far more athletic than Malone ever was, but they look fairly similar physically. Malone was never injured until his final year in the league at age 40. At age 39 Malone played in 80 games and was still averaging over 20 a game. He won the MVP at age 35, finished 4th at age 36, and 7th at 37. Now obviously James isn't Malone, but the physical similarities can't be disregarded either.
Third, the Sixers are the exact type of team a guy like James would join if his goal was to continue winning championships. They have at least 2 franchise level talents in Embiid and Simmons (that doesn't mean they both fulfill that potential or that they stay healthy) as well as Fultz (who was the #1 pick for a reason), Saric (who has all star level talent), and Covington (solid 3 and D level starter). They have other young NBA bench level players (McConnell, Holmes, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Korkmaz). They have the Lakers or Kings pick in addition to every single one of their own picks. With a simple salary dump of Bayless, they have room to offer James a max contract. They can then use some of their assets to acquire another top level player (think the Love trade), while still keeping Embiid and Simmons. The Sixers are a 50 win team (or right near it) without James and basically without Fultz (thus making them a far better team than the Cleveland team James joined when he went back home). You add James to that team, they are the clear favorites in the East for at least the next couple of seasons, and it really isn't much of a debate.
James is easy to hate and easy to dislike, so I don't know why anyone needs to just make stuff up to hate on him.
Definitely a popular opinion. Can't say I blame you. In two years from now, you'll see that I'm most likely correct. Numbers rarely lie and "father time always wins." A few points:
1) Karl Malone came into the league at 22. If comparing them, you need to compare LeBron's current season to Malone's at 36. As you can see, sure he might give you 1 or 2 more "good" years, but is Malone's production at 39 worth a max deal? Definitely not. Also, Malone had a disgusting post game. Other than athleticism, LeBron's real only spectacular offensive ability is court vision/passing. He can be a point guard at some point once the legs and back start failing. Like I said, though, it's an overpay. There are far better ACTUAL point guards than him that can be gotten for dirt cheap. He's just impressive because he's athletic AND can be a PG. Again, it all goes back to athleticism.
2) His shooting levels are not max worthy. You can't hype them enough to have a leg to stand on in this argument. He's a very average shooter. In fact, teams used to just dare him to shoot when he was actually unstoppable driving to the lane. Now that he isn't that explosive anymore and his shooting is up, they're taking the compromise and guarding him midway. He still has a long way to go, though, to be useful in his twilight years.
3) Embiid and Simmons are already franchise levels talents? Give me a break. I'm afraid to inform you that the koolaid was poison. You also had the nerve to even mention Markelle Fultz? Saric? Covington? McConnell?? Jesus Christ you sound like a 76ers fanboy or Danny Ainge when talking about Terry Rozier. While the team MAY be good (depending on Embiid's health) in say 3 or 4 years, LeBron will be long past his prime by then. This isn't a good situation for him.
I believe that he goes to a team like the Rockets or Spurs.
Disgusting? Is that like "sick" or "dope"?
Lebron is a much better athlete than Malone. Leaps and bounds better. His athleticism should last much longer than Malone's did. While Malone did play college (and you play less games in college), are we supposed to discount Malone's mileage in college?
You're trying to break Lebron down into components when analyzing his skills. This doesn't work because the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Lebron's combo of size, skill, and athleticism is unmatched in NBA history. You can nitpick his jump shot all day long, but he is the size of Malone with Magic passing. When he drives to the lane, no one can stop him. They can foul him, but no one will consistently get clean blocks down low.
I don't think we need to preface that Embiid is an injury waiting to happen. That Fultz takedown was super flukey. Embiid has had good movement this year, and seems to have gotten over the lower body injury bug. PHI should manage his time, so I doubt you'll ever get 80 reg season games out of him, but I expect you'll be seeing him in the playoffs for years to come. None of us really can tell if he will continue to get hurt. I'm sure the Philly GM would love a crystal ball. What we do know is that he can play at a very high level in the NBA, and other players/GMs have given rave reviews of his game early in his career. Embiid can be similar to Olajuwon- he's that talented.
Simmons is also unique. While I'm not sure how Lebron and Simmons would play together, I'm very intrigued by the mismatch in size/athleticism. Throw in a Klay Thompson type shooter and its game, set, match.
Yeah disgusting as in very good.
Regarding Malone:
1) Yes I am discounting college because for a player of Malone's level, it's like if I were playing a 30 minute game against 8 year olds. It's not mileage it's basically just working out. LeBron came in at 19 and hit the ground running at 40 minutes a game against the best players in the world (NBA). No rookie watching, full load.
2) I agree that LeBron is much more athletic, however, I disagree that because he is more athletic he somehow has more athleticism to lose as if it's a sort of expendable resource. It doesn't quite work that way. More often than not how it goes down is you get injured (nothing horrific.. just a sprain here, a tear there). At 34 years old, once you get injured, it's a very rapid decline regardless of your initial athleticism. The fact that his game is primarily based on athleticism means that he has so much more to lose.
I just can't believe that with all of the data we have on player decline vs age that my opinion is the contrarian view.
Erik I agree with you and have made the exact argument. Even about the Malone part. I do think that how much time and money and technology Lebron has to spend on treating his body extends his window a bit longer than it did during Malone's era, but it is still not forever. Also, Lebron's counting and shooting stats have been great this year, but watching him play a lot, his defensive has really really regressed. He can still be an amazing lockdown player on defense for spurts, but he no longer has the stamina in his mid 30's to do that and carry a dominate offensive load. I do think either his defense will continue to erode into just being flat our bad, or he will be more tired on offense and his shooting will worsen if his minutes are not reduced.
I think he will still be very very good next year but probably will have slipped a noticable amount beyond Davis, Harden, Durant and others and just be a top 10 player. The year after that he may just be a fringe all-star. Given that Simmons will be hitting his prime in 2-3 years and fultz the same, it kind of feels like a waste to me (especially given there are fit questions).
From Lebron's side, maybe he is turning over a new leaf as he ages, but he has really hated playing with young guys his whole career (and even a younger player like irving it really rubbed the wrong way). I don't see him joining Philly resulting in a title for the 76ers over the warriors barring injuries and I think it would potentially mess up their chance to compete for a title for 5-8 years for a chance to compete for 1-2 as an underdog....
I don't see that at all. Of course, these are our opinions and there's no right answer.
I don't see a day where Lebron isn't better than the guy that is guarding him. He will of course have to adapt his play to aging, and so will his team. If I'm Lebron, I'm picking a team that has an elite big man and 1-2 elite perimeter defenders. Avery Bradley and Marcus Smart would both be good fits next to Lebron. I don't think it would be hard for Philly, LAL, LAC, SA, HOU, or even CLE to go out and acquire these guys. That combined with a dominant big man and Lebron has a longer runway.
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Yes, we have more data, but we also have increases in longevity with modern science. That, and Lebron is a unicorn. Unicorns don't follow statistical trends.
Unfortunately, the trends have continued even in this era. Kobe Bryant is my favorite comparison for the "modern science" argument because he's gotten roughly the same workload, work ethic, "special treatments," and money as LeBron. 35 just seems to be the magic number where it starts going downhill. Well, I wish him the best. I certainly wouldn't put any even money on the line in the face of an almost statistical "sure thing." I certainly wouldn't want to be the team that owns his max contract starting at 34 years old.
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At some point in the near future, LeBron will take his talents to a max contract. The team that signs him to a max deal is going to regret it halfway into it. It may not be obvious to the untrained eye, but he is showing signs of slowing down. Athletic only players don't age well, and he has so many miles on the tires. He has no jumpshot or 3 pointer to fall back on, so once the motor starts to die down, he's finished.
Add to that our serious (i.e. we are the favorites to win every year) championship window is in about 3 years from now when Horford comes off the books (re-signs for Vet Min or MLE, please?) and Tatum is a top 20 player in the league, and you shouldn't concern yourself too much with LeBron. He should be doing his farewell tour by then on an inflated contract.
He's also not going to Philly. A young team and a 34 year old looking to win now are incompatible. He's going to join a sure thing like the coward we all know him to be.
I don't even know where to begin with this post. Just so much wrong with it.
First, James has had 5 of his last 7 season shooting over 36% from three. While not elite, that certainly is good enough. Those same 5 seasons, he also shot well over 40% from 10-16 feet. Again, not elite, but again good enough. His TS% in each of the last two seasons is 61.9% and his eFG% is pushing 60%, which is most definitely elite. He doesn't get all of those shots solely because he is an elite athlete, he gets them because he is highly skilled and incredibly strong as well.
Second, physically Karl Malone is probably the best comparison. He was a similar height and similar strength. James is obviously far more athletic than Malone ever was, but they look fairly similar physically. Malone was never injured until his final year in the league at age 40. At age 39 Malone played in 80 games and was still averaging over 20 a game. He won the MVP at age 35, finished 4th at age 36, and 7th at 37. Now obviously James isn't Malone, but the physical similarities can't be disregarded either.
Third, the Sixers are the exact type of team a guy like James would join if his goal was to continue winning championships. They have at least 2 franchise level talents in Embiid and Simmons (that doesn't mean they both fulfill that potential or that they stay healthy) as well as Fultz (who was the #1 pick for a reason), Saric (who has all star level talent), and Covington (solid 3 and D level starter). They have other young NBA bench level players (McConnell, Holmes, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Korkmaz). They have the Lakers or Kings pick in addition to every single one of their own picks. With a simple salary dump of Bayless, they have room to offer James a max contract. They can then use some of their assets to acquire another top level player (think the Love trade), while still keeping Embiid and Simmons. The Sixers are a 50 win team (or right near it) without James and basically without Fultz (thus making them a far better team than the Cleveland team James joined when he went back home). You add James to that team, they are the clear favorites in the East for at least the next couple of seasons, and it really isn't much of a debate.
James is easy to hate and easy to dislike, so I don't know why anyone needs to just make stuff up to hate on him.
Definitely a popular opinion. Can't say I blame you. In two years from now, you'll see that I'm most likely correct. Numbers rarely lie and "father time always wins." A few points:
1) Karl Malone came into the league at 22. If comparing them, you need to compare LeBron's current season to Malone's at 36. As you can see, sure he might give you 1 or 2 more "good" years, but is Malone's production at 39 worth a max deal? Definitely not. Also, Malone had a disgusting post game. Other than athleticism, LeBron's real only spectacular offensive ability is court vision/passing. He can be a point guard at some point once the legs and back start failing. Like I said, though, it's an overpay. There are far better ACTUAL point guards than him that can be gotten for dirt cheap. He's just impressive because he's athletic AND can be a PG. Again, it all goes back to athleticism.
2) His shooting levels are not max worthy. You can't hype them enough to have a leg to stand on in this argument. He's a very average shooter. In fact, teams used to just dare him to shoot when he was actually unstoppable driving to the lane. Now that he isn't that explosive anymore and his shooting is up, they're taking the compromise and guarding him midway. He still has a long way to go, though, to be useful in his twilight years.
3) Embiid and Simmons are already franchise levels talents? Give me a break. I'm afraid to inform you that the koolaid was poison. You also had the nerve to even mention Markelle Fultz? Saric? Covington? McConnell?? Jesus Christ you sound like a 76ers fanboy or Danny Ainge when talking about Terry Rozier. While the team MAY be good (depending on Embiid's health) in say 3 or 4 years, LeBron will be long past his prime by then. This isn't a good situation for him.
I believe that he goes to a team like the Rockets or Spurs.
Disgusting? Is that like "sick" or "dope"?
Lebron is a much better athlete than Malone. Leaps and bounds better. His athleticism should last much longer than Malone's did. While Malone did play college (and you play less games in college), are we supposed to discount Malone's mileage in college?
You're trying to break Lebron down into components when analyzing his skills. This doesn't work because the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Lebron's combo of size, skill, and athleticism is unmatched in NBA history. You can nitpick his jump shot all day long, but he is the size of Malone with Magic passing. When he drives to the lane, no one can stop him. They can foul him, but no one will consistently get clean blocks down low.
I don't think we need to preface that Embiid is an injury waiting to happen. That Fultz takedown was super flukey. Embiid has had good movement this year, and seems to have gotten over the lower body injury bug. PHI should manage his time, so I doubt you'll ever get 80 reg season games out of him, but I expect you'll be seeing him in the playoffs for years to come. None of us really can tell if he will continue to get hurt. I'm sure the Philly GM would love a crystal ball. What we do know is that he can play at a very high level in the NBA, and other players/GMs have given rave reviews of his game early in his career. Embiid can be similar to Olajuwon- he's that talented.
Simmons is also unique. While I'm not sure how Lebron and Simmons would play together, I'm very intrigued by the mismatch in size/athleticism. Throw in a Klay Thompson type shooter and its game, set, match.
Yeah disgusting as in very good.
Regarding Malone:
1) Yes I am discounting college because for a player of Malone's level, it's like if I were playing a 30 minute game against 8 year olds. It's not mileage it's basically just working out. LeBron came in at 19 and hit the ground running at 40 minutes a game against the best players in the world (NBA). No rookie watching, full load.
2) I agree that LeBron is more athletic, however, I disagree that because he is more athletic he somehow has more athleticism to lose as if it's a sort of expendable resource. It doesn't quite work that way. More often than not how it goes down is you get injured (nothing horrific.. just a sprain here, a tear there). At 34 years old, once you get injured, it's a very rapid decline regardless of your initial athleticism. The fact that his game is primarily based on athleticism means that he has so much more to lose.
I just can't believe that with all of the data we have on player decline vs age that my opinion is the contrarian view.
Getting hurt is entirely different then just randomly falling off a cliff. Lebron James is the best player in the world. He isn't all of a sudden not going to be a top 20 player in this league without getting injured. I mean Kobe went from 27 a game at age 34 to a shell of himself after he got hurt. Kevin Garnett was a top 5 player at age 32, then he got hurt. Malone never got hurt. Kareem finished in the top 5 in MVP voting at ages 36, 37, and 38. He like Malone, never got hurt. Dirk was still putting up 18 a game at age 37, he never had a serious injury until the last two seasons. Duncan was a steady rock avoiding serious injury and still performing. Heck, even Shaq who was a walking injury still had 18 and 8.5 at age 36. Jordan took time off obviously, but was still scoring over 20 a game when he was 39 and 40 years old.
You can't predict injuries. Sometimes players get them, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they get them early and are never the same (see Dwight Howard) or sometimes they get them early and they go on to be the best player in the world (see Michael Jordan). Sometimes players are always hurt (see Shaq) and sometimes they are never hurt (see Malone, Kareem, etc.). These are the greatest players in the world, MVP level players. You just can't know and any analysis based on the idea of a player getting hurt is just faulty.
Without injury, a player doesn't go from the best player in the world (or top 3 to avoid that discussion) to outside of the top 20 (which is generally a reasonable place for a max contract even though there are a lot more max contracts than that) in the span of a season or two, just doesn't happen. Now if Lebron gets injured, then sure he might not be worth his max contract, but that holds with every single player in the league.
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Hate to say it, but if Sixers trade for Kawhi OR sign Lebron, we're doomed.
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Yes, we have more data, but we also have increases in longevity with modern science. That, and Lebron is a unicorn. Unicorns don't follow statistical trends.
Unfortunately, the trends have continued even in this era. Kobe Bryant is my favorite comparison for the "modern science" argument because he's gotten roughly the same workload, work ethic, "special treatments," and money as LeBron. 35 just seems to be the magic number where it starts going downhill. Well, I wish him the best. I certainly wouldn't put any even money on the line in the face of an almost statistical "sure thing." I certainly wouldn't want to be the team that owns his max contract starting at 34 years old.
Apples to oranges. Kobe is a volume scorer. His value was in beating his defender to the rim and using quickness (and high-level basketball IQ) to get open to hit daggers. Similar to Jordan at the end, they became less efficient scorers.
Lebron is more of a facilitator and rebounds more. I think Lebron at 37 is as athletic as Magic at 31.
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Why are we doomed in any scenario? Our team is pretty good too. Do I need to remind people of that?
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Why are we doomed in any scenario? Our team is pretty good too. Do I need to remind people of that?
Amen brother. The Celtics have a very bright future. The Celtics, Sixers, Houston, Golden State, and maybe the Bucks (if Giannis stays) are the future contenders. Add in CLE or wherever Lebron goes.
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At some point in the near future, LeBron will take his talents to a max contract. The team that signs him to a max deal is going to regret it halfway into it. It may not be obvious to the untrained eye, but he is showing signs of slowing down. Athletic only players don't age well, and he has so many miles on the tires. He has no jumpshot or 3 pointer to fall back on, so once the motor starts to die down, he's finished.
Add to that our serious (i.e. we are the favorites to win every year) championship window is in about 3 years from now when Horford comes off the books (re-signs for Vet Min or MLE, please?) and Tatum is a top 20 player in the league, and you shouldn't concern yourself too much with LeBron. He should be doing his farewell tour by then on an inflated contract.
He's also not going to Philly. A young team and a 34 year old looking to win now are incompatible. He's going to join a sure thing like the coward we all know him to be.
I don't even know where to begin with this post. Just so much wrong with it.
First, James has had 5 of his last 7 season shooting over 36% from three. While not elite, that certainly is good enough. Those same 5 seasons, he also shot well over 40% from 10-16 feet. Again, not elite, but again good enough. His TS% in each of the last two seasons is 61.9% and his eFG% is pushing 60%, which is most definitely elite. He doesn't get all of those shots solely because he is an elite athlete, he gets them because he is highly skilled and incredibly strong as well.
Second, physically Karl Malone is probably the best comparison. He was a similar height and similar strength. James is obviously far more athletic than Malone ever was, but they look fairly similar physically. Malone was never injured until his final year in the league at age 40. At age 39 Malone played in 80 games and was still averaging over 20 a game. He won the MVP at age 35, finished 4th at age 36, and 7th at 37. Now obviously James isn't Malone, but the physical similarities can't be disregarded either.
Third, the Sixers are the exact type of team a guy like James would join if his goal was to continue winning championships. They have at least 2 franchise level talents in Embiid and Simmons (that doesn't mean they both fulfill that potential or that they stay healthy) as well as Fultz (who was the #1 pick for a reason), Saric (who has all star level talent), and Covington (solid 3 and D level starter). They have other young NBA bench level players (McConnell, Holmes, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Korkmaz). They have the Lakers or Kings pick in addition to every single one of their own picks. With a simple salary dump of Bayless, they have room to offer James a max contract. They can then use some of their assets to acquire another top level player (think the Love trade), while still keeping Embiid and Simmons. The Sixers are a 50 win team (or right near it) without James and basically without Fultz (thus making them a far better team than the Cleveland team James joined when he went back home). You add James to that team, they are the clear favorites in the East for at least the next couple of seasons, and it really isn't much of a debate.
James is easy to hate and easy to dislike, so I don't know why anyone needs to just make stuff up to hate on him.
Definitely a popular opinion. Can't say I blame you. In two years from now, you'll see that I'm most likely correct. Numbers rarely lie and "father time always wins." A few points:
1) Karl Malone came into the league at 22. If comparing them, you need to compare LeBron's current season to Malone's at 36. As you can see, sure he might give you 1 or 2 more "good" years, but is Malone's production at 39 worth a max deal? Definitely not. Also, Malone had a disgusting post game. Other than athleticism, LeBron's real only spectacular offensive ability is court vision/passing. He can be a point guard at some point once the legs and back start failing. Like I said, though, it's an overpay. There are far better ACTUAL point guards than him that can be gotten for dirt cheap. He's just impressive because he's athletic AND can be a PG. Again, it all goes back to athleticism.
2) His shooting levels are not max worthy. You can't hype them enough to have a leg to stand on in this argument. He's a very average shooter. In fact, teams used to just dare him to shoot when he was actually unstoppable driving to the lane. Now that he isn't that explosive anymore and his shooting is up, they're taking the compromise and guarding him midway. He still has a long way to go, though, to be useful in his twilight years.
3) Embiid and Simmons are already franchise levels talents? Give me a break. I'm afraid to inform you that the koolaid was poison. You also had the nerve to even mention Markelle Fultz? Saric? Covington? McConnell?? Jesus Christ you sound like a 76ers fanboy or Danny Ainge when talking about Terry Rozier. While the team MAY be good (depending on Embiid's health) in say 3 or 4 years, LeBron will be long past his prime by then. This isn't a good situation for him.
I believe that he goes to a team like the Rockets or Spurs.
Disgusting? Is that like "sick" or "dope"?
Lebron is a much better athlete than Malone. Leaps and bounds better. His athleticism should last much longer than Malone's did. While Malone did play college (and you play less games in college), are we supposed to discount Malone's mileage in college?
You're trying to break Lebron down into components when analyzing his skills. This doesn't work because the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Lebron's combo of size, skill, and athleticism is unmatched in NBA history. You can nitpick his jump shot all day long, but he is the size of Malone with Magic passing. When he drives to the lane, no one can stop him. They can foul him, but no one will consistently get clean blocks down low.
I don't think we need to preface that Embiid is an injury waiting to happen. That Fultz takedown was super flukey. Embiid has had good movement this year, and seems to have gotten over the lower body injury bug. PHI should manage his time, so I doubt you'll ever get 80 reg season games out of him, but I expect you'll be seeing him in the playoffs for years to come. None of us really can tell if he will continue to get hurt. I'm sure the Philly GM would love a crystal ball. What we do know is that he can play at a very high level in the NBA, and other players/GMs have given rave reviews of his game early in his career. Embiid can be similar to Olajuwon- he's that talented.
Simmons is also unique. While I'm not sure how Lebron and Simmons would play together, I'm very intrigued by the mismatch in size/athleticism. Throw in a Klay Thompson type shooter and its game, set, match.
Yeah disgusting as in very good.
Regarding Malone:
1) Yes I am discounting college because for a player of Malone's level, it's like if I were playing a 30 minute game against 8 year olds. It's not mileage it's basically just working out. LeBron came in at 19 and hit the ground running at 40 minutes a game against the best players in the world (NBA). No rookie watching, full load.
2) I agree that LeBron is more athletic, however, I disagree that because he is more athletic he somehow has more athleticism to lose as if it's a sort of expendable resource. It doesn't quite work that way. More often than not how it goes down is you get injured (nothing horrific.. just a sprain here, a tear there). At 34 years old, once you get injured, it's a very rapid decline regardless of your initial athleticism. The fact that his game is primarily based on athleticism means that he has so much more to lose.
I just can't believe that with all of the data we have on player decline vs age that my opinion is the contrarian view.
Getting hurt is entirely different then just randomly falling off a cliff. Lebron James is the best player in the world. He isn't all of a sudden not going to be a top 20 player in this league without getting injured. I mean Kobe went from 27 a game at age 34 to a shell of himself after he got hurt. Kevin Garnett was a top 5 player at age 32, then he got hurt. Malone never got hurt. Kareem finished in the top 5 in MVP voting at ages 36, 37, and 38. He like Malone, never got hurt. Dirk was still putting up 18 a game at age 37, he never had a serious injury until the last two seasons. Duncan was a steady rock avoiding serious injury and still performing. Heck, even Shaq who was a walking injury still had 18 and 8.5 at age 36. Jordan took time off obviously, but was still scoring over 20 a game when he was 39 and 40 years old.
You can't predict injuries. Sometimes players get them, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they get them early and are never the same (see Dwight Howard) or sometimes they get them early and they go on to be the best player in the world (see Michael Jordan). Sometimes players are always hurt (see Shaq) and sometimes they are never hurt (see Malone, Kareem, etc.). These are the greatest players in the world, MVP level players. You just can't know and any analysis based on the idea of a player getting hurt is just faulty.
Without injury, a player doesn't go from the best player in the world (or top 3 to avoid that discussion) to outside of the top 20 (which is generally a reasonable place for a max contract even though there are a lot more max contracts than that) in the span of a season or two, just doesn't happen. Now if Lebron gets injured, then sure he might not be worth his max contract, but that holds with every single player in the league.
You can certainly predict "wear and tear" injuries. They're inevitable. You think all the people who retire in the NBA are completely healthy but choose to just stop playing? No. They had minor injuries due to wear and tear that led to larger problems. Their bodies ache due to injuries. The difference being is that Hayward's injury is a freak accident. If LeBron gets injured it's because he's too old to be playing basketball.
You also mentioned a lot of players in the first paragraph that had non-athletic specific abilities. Kareem had the skyhook. Dirk was a brilliant shooter. Duncan had the midrange shot. You also mentioned some fairly average stats. Sorry, but 18 and 8 is not max contract worthy. That's like Vucevic numbers. LeBron is not going to do well once his body starts aching. He doesn't have any specific talent to fall back on. When your knee is inflamed every night, you cant push off as hard anymore. You're a walking offensive foul.
I also want to comment on this "I'd take LeBron at 37 over some average player." Obviously, so would I. But not for max money!
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I didn't say Lebron over an average player. I said Lebron over Magic at 31 (last year before he got sick). Magic was far better than average in that year.
Yes, Lebron will get worse. Yes, technically his contract might be overvalued based on his stats. His presence on any team will far outweigh the dip in stats. He facilitates an offense. There have been older, less athletic PGs in the league's past, but very few were as much of a mismatch as Lebron. The team will have to adjust accordingly, but I'm not worried about that team.
If Danny had the ability to sign 33 year old Lebron right now to a max, I think Kyrie is once again the guy to go.
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Yes, we have more data, but we also have increases in longevity with modern science. That, and Lebron is a unicorn. Unicorns don't follow statistical trends.
Unfortunately, the trends have continued even in this era. Kobe Bryant is my favorite comparison for the "modern science" argument because he's gotten roughly the same workload, work ethic, "special treatments," and money as LeBron. 35 just seems to be the magic number where it starts going downhill. Well, I wish him the best. I certainly wouldn't put any even money on the line in the face of an almost statistical "sure thing." I certainly wouldn't want to be the team that owns his max contract starting at 34 years old.
Apples to oranges. Kobe is a volume scorer. His value was in beating his defender to the rim and using quickness (and high-level basketball IQ) to get open to hit daggers. Similar to Jordan at the end, they became less efficient scorers.
Lebron is more of a facilitator and rebounds more. I think Lebron at 37 is as athletic as Magic at 31.
I was actually just citing the similarities in workload and "alternative science" to try to cheat age, but if you'd like to straw man me, go for it.
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At some point in the near future, LeBron will take his talents to a max contract. The team that signs him to a max deal is going to regret it halfway into it. It may not be obvious to the untrained eye, but he is showing signs of slowing down. Athletic only players don't age well, and he has so many miles on the tires. He has no jumpshot or 3 pointer to fall back on, so once the motor starts to die down, he's finished.
Add to that our serious (i.e. we are the favorites to win every year) championship window is in about 3 years from now when Horford comes off the books (re-signs for Vet Min or MLE, please?) and Tatum is a top 20 player in the league, and you shouldn't concern yourself too much with LeBron. He should be doing his farewell tour by then on an inflated contract.
He's also not going to Philly. A young team and a 34 year old looking to win now are incompatible. He's going to join a sure thing like the coward we all know him to be.
I don't even know where to begin with this post. Just so much wrong with it.
First, James has had 5 of his last 7 season shooting over 36% from three. While not elite, that certainly is good enough. Those same 5 seasons, he also shot well over 40% from 10-16 feet. Again, not elite, but again good enough. His TS% in each of the last two seasons is 61.9% and his eFG% is pushing 60%, which is most definitely elite. He doesn't get all of those shots solely because he is an elite athlete, he gets them because he is highly skilled and incredibly strong as well.
Second, physically Karl Malone is probably the best comparison. He was a similar height and similar strength. James is obviously far more athletic than Malone ever was, but they look fairly similar physically. Malone was never injured until his final year in the league at age 40. At age 39 Malone played in 80 games and was still averaging over 20 a game. He won the MVP at age 35, finished 4th at age 36, and 7th at 37. Now obviously James isn't Malone, but the physical similarities can't be disregarded either.
Third, the Sixers are the exact type of team a guy like James would join if his goal was to continue winning championships. They have at least 2 franchise level talents in Embiid and Simmons (that doesn't mean they both fulfill that potential or that they stay healthy) as well as Fultz (who was the #1 pick for a reason), Saric (who has all star level talent), and Covington (solid 3 and D level starter). They have other young NBA bench level players (McConnell, Holmes, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Korkmaz). They have the Lakers or Kings pick in addition to every single one of their own picks. With a simple salary dump of Bayless, they have room to offer James a max contract. They can then use some of their assets to acquire another top level player (think the Love trade), while still keeping Embiid and Simmons. The Sixers are a 50 win team (or right near it) without James and basically without Fultz (thus making them a far better team than the Cleveland team James joined when he went back home). You add James to that team, they are the clear favorites in the East for at least the next couple of seasons, and it really isn't much of a debate.
James is easy to hate and easy to dislike, so I don't know why anyone needs to just make stuff up to hate on him.
Definitely a popular opinion. Can't say I blame you. In two years from now, you'll see that I'm most likely correct. Numbers rarely lie and "father time always wins." A few points:
1) Karl Malone came into the league at 22. If comparing them, you need to compare LeBron's current season to Malone's at 36. As you can see, sure he might give you 1 or 2 more "good" years, but is Malone's production at 39 worth a max deal? Definitely not. Also, Malone had a disgusting post game. Other than athleticism, LeBron's real only spectacular offensive ability is court vision/passing. He can be a point guard at some point once the legs and back start failing. Like I said, though, it's an overpay. There are far better ACTUAL point guards than him that can be gotten for dirt cheap. He's just impressive because he's athletic AND can be a PG. Again, it all goes back to athleticism.
2) His shooting levels are not max worthy. You can't hype them enough to have a leg to stand on in this argument. He's a very average shooter. In fact, teams used to just dare him to shoot when he was actually unstoppable driving to the lane. Now that he isn't that explosive anymore and his shooting is up, they're taking the compromise and guarding him midway. He still has a long way to go, though, to be useful in his twilight years.
3) Embiid and Simmons are already franchise levels talents? Give me a break. I'm afraid to inform you that the koolaid was poison. You also had the nerve to even mention Markelle Fultz? Saric? Covington? McConnell?? Jesus Christ you sound like a 76ers fanboy or Danny Ainge when talking about Terry Rozier. While the team MAY be good (depending on Embiid's health) in say 3 or 4 years, LeBron will be long past his prime by then. This isn't a good situation for him.
I believe that he goes to a team like the Rockets or Spurs.
Disgusting? Is that like "sick" or "dope"?
Lebron is a much better athlete than Malone. Leaps and bounds better. His athleticism should last much longer than Malone's did. While Malone did play college (and you play less games in college), are we supposed to discount Malone's mileage in college?
You're trying to break Lebron down into components when analyzing his skills. This doesn't work because the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Lebron's combo of size, skill, and athleticism is unmatched in NBA history. You can nitpick his jump shot all day long, but he is the size of Malone with Magic passing. When he drives to the lane, no one can stop him. They can foul him, but no one will consistently get clean blocks down low.
I don't think we need to preface that Embiid is an injury waiting to happen. That Fultz takedown was super flukey. Embiid has had good movement this year, and seems to have gotten over the lower body injury bug. PHI should manage his time, so I doubt you'll ever get 80 reg season games out of him, but I expect you'll be seeing him in the playoffs for years to come. None of us really can tell if he will continue to get hurt. I'm sure the Philly GM would love a crystal ball. What we do know is that he can play at a very high level in the NBA, and other players/GMs have given rave reviews of his game early in his career. Embiid can be similar to Olajuwon- he's that talented.
Simmons is also unique. While I'm not sure how Lebron and Simmons would play together, I'm very intrigued by the mismatch in size/athleticism. Throw in a Klay Thompson type shooter and its game, set, match.
Yeah disgusting as in very good.
Regarding Malone:
1) Yes I am discounting college because for a player of Malone's level, it's like if I were playing a 30 minute game against 8 year olds. It's not mileage it's basically just working out. LeBron came in at 19 and hit the ground running at 40 minutes a game against the best players in the world (NBA). No rookie watching, full load.
2) I agree that LeBron is more athletic, however, I disagree that because he is more athletic he somehow has more athleticism to lose as if it's a sort of expendable resource. It doesn't quite work that way. More often than not how it goes down is you get injured (nothing horrific.. just a sprain here, a tear there). At 34 years old, once you get injured, it's a very rapid decline regardless of your initial athleticism. The fact that his game is primarily based on athleticism means that he has so much more to lose.
I just can't believe that with all of the data we have on player decline vs age that my opinion is the contrarian view.
Getting hurt is entirely different then just randomly falling off a cliff. Lebron James is the best player in the world. He isn't all of a sudden not going to be a top 20 player in this league without getting injured. I mean Kobe went from 27 a game at age 34 to a shell of himself after he got hurt. Kevin Garnett was a top 5 player at age 32, then he got hurt. Malone never got hurt. Kareem finished in the top 5 in MVP voting at ages 36, 37, and 38. He like Malone, never got hurt. Dirk was still putting up 18 a game at age 37, he never had a serious injury until the last two seasons. Duncan was a steady rock avoiding serious injury and still performing. Heck, even Shaq who was a walking injury still had 18 and 8.5 at age 36. Jordan took time off obviously, but was still scoring over 20 a game when he was 39 and 40 years old.
You can't predict injuries. Sometimes players get them, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they get them early and are never the same (see Dwight Howard) or sometimes they get them early and they go on to be the best player in the world (see Michael Jordan). Sometimes players are always hurt (see Shaq) and sometimes they are never hurt (see Malone, Kareem, etc.). These are the greatest players in the world, MVP level players. You just can't know and any analysis based on the idea of a player getting hurt is just faulty.
Without injury, a player doesn't go from the best player in the world (or top 3 to avoid that discussion) to outside of the top 20 (which is generally a reasonable place for a max contract even though there are a lot more max contracts than that) in the span of a season or two, just doesn't happen. Now if Lebron gets injured, then sure he might not be worth his max contract, but that holds with every single player in the league.
You can certainly predict "wear and tear" injuries. They're inevitable. You think all the people who retire in the NBA are completely healthy but choose to just stop playing? No. They had minor injuries due to wear and tear that led to larger problems. Their bodies ache due to injuries. The difference being is that Hayward's injury is a freak accident. If LeBron gets injured it's because he's too old to be playing basketball.
You also mentioned a lot of players in the first paragraph that had non-athletic specific abilities. Kareem had the skyhook. Dirk was a brilliant shooter. Duncan had the midrange shot. You also mentioned some fairly average stats. Sorry, but 18 and 8 is not max contract worthy. That's like Vucevic numbers. LeBron is not going to do well once his body starts aching. He doesn't have any specific talent to fall back on. When your knee is inflamed every night, you cant push off as hard anymore. You're a walking offensive foul.
I also want to comment on this "I'd take LeBron at 37 over some average player." Obviously, so would I. But not for max money!
Al Horford is averaging 12.8/7.4/4.8 he is on a max contract and he signed that contract coming off a season where he averaged 17.1/8.2/3.6. Michael Conley signed the largest contract in NBA history coming off a season where he averaged 15.3 points and 6.1 assists. Before signing that contract his career bests were 17.2 and 6.5 so it wasn't like that was a fluke down year. Marc Gasol signed a max contract coming off a season of 17.4/7.8/3.8.
Those aren't abnormal. In fact, they are pretty typical. It appears you have no concept of what players on max contracts actually perform like.
And you can't predict wear and tear injuries because the reality is not everyone gets them. Kareem played 74 games his final season at the age of 41. He played 80 games when he was 40. 78 games when he was 39. Malone's last season was the only time he played less than 80 games in his career. Stockton played 82 games at the age of 40 (28 mpg). He had 1 season in his career where he missed more than 4 games. Jason Kidd played 76 games at the age of 39. He missed 18 games his 2nd to last year at age 38, but from 32 to 37 never missed more than 2 games in a season.
There are countless examples of great players not getting those wear and tear injuries, and not missing much time at all.
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Moranis admit, how much does he pay you?
Admit.
I don't want to hear an excuse.
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This thinking that Lebron is suddenly going to take a huge step down in performance over the next year or two just reeks of "Max Kellerman...Tom Brady's performance will fall off a cliff" thinking.
Max is looking pretty stupid right about now after making that comment some 18-20 months ago. I can see a lot of people looking just as silly in two years if you're thinking Lebron is just going to start being so much less than he is now.
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Lebron wont be leaving the Cavs (unless traded by design)
He probably has a nice cushy exec job lined up (with the Cavs) after he retires.
Doesn't seem like he cares that much to add another championship under his resume. Especially as a "guest" by joining another stacked team. No way he will conform to another system or listen properly to another coach ... unless its under a coach like D'antoni who lets you do whatever
If he was serious about "chasing championships" he would have silently asked to be traded this past trade deadline.
IMO Lebron right now is more concerned about breaking records. And has his sights on regular season total points record
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This thinking that Lebron is suddenly going to take a huge step down in performance over the next year or two just reeks of "Max Kellerman...Tom Brady's performance will fall off a cliff" thinking.
Max is looking pretty stupid right about now after making that comment some 18-20 months ago. I can see a lot of people looking just as silly in two years if you're thinking Lebron is just going to start being so much less than he is now.
LeBron might slip a little, but it will mostly be in the form of needing more rest days or not quite being at his peak every single night.
It seems pretty far fetched to think he'll be just some average player in 2 or 3 years, though.
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This thinking that Lebron is suddenly going to take a huge step down in performance over the next year or two just reeks of "Max Kellerman...Tom Brady's performance will fall off a cliff" thinking.
Max is looking pretty stupid right about now after making that comment some 18-20 months ago. I can see a lot of people looking just as silly in two years if you're thinking Lebron is just going to start being so much less than he is now.
LeBron might slip a little, but it will mostly be in the form of needing more rest days or not quite being at his peak every single night.
It seems pretty far fetched to think he'll be just some average player in 2 or 3 years, though.
Oh Lebron will slip, he has already started slipping, but he is still the best player in the world. The slip is gradual and will likely remain gradual for a couple of seasons before it accelerates a few seasons down the line. He can curb a lot of the slip by adapting his game and cutting back on minutes, which I suspect he will do, and why a team like Philly makes a lot of sense for him as they have young players that can shoulder a greater load when James is no longer one of the premier players in the world.
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I think him and Paul George on LA with Kuzma, Ingram, and Ball is equally intriguing, but it is a lot less fun to freak out about cause they are not in our division i guess.
Also, I do think this is better for the NBA if LA and Philly are both legit contenders the next couple of years. The league is pretty boring when it is a max of 4 teams that could win before the season starts.
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I think him and Paul George on LA with Kuzma, Ingram, and Ball is equally intriguing, but it is a lot less fun to freak out about cause they are not in our division i guess.
Also, I do think this is better for the NBA if LA and Philly are both legit contenders the next couple of years. The league is pretty boring when it is a max of 4 teams that could win before the season starts.
You think he will listen to Walton?
He will prob butt heads with Magic also
Doubt he will sign with the Lakers
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Hate to say it, but if Sixers trade for Kawhi OR sign Lebron, we're doomed.
Either one on that team with Embiid, Fultz, Simmons, etc. YIKES.
Well actually, what would they have to give up besides picks to acquire Leonard? I'd think the Spurs would want another legit piece back (young, growing star).
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I think him and Paul George on LA with Kuzma, Ingram, and Ball is equally intriguing, but it is a lot less fun to freak out about cause they are not in our division i guess.
Also, I do think this is better for the NBA if LA and Philly are both legit contenders the next couple of years. The league is pretty boring when it is a max of 4 teams that could win before the season starts.
You think he will listen to Walton?
He will prob butt heads with Magic also
Doubt he will sign with the Lakers
Any coach LeBron plays for will be implicitly demoted. Heck, the GM too.
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I think him and Paul George on LA with Kuzma, Ingram, and Ball is equally intriguing, but it is a lot less fun to freak out about cause they are not in our division i guess.
Also, I do think this is better for the NBA if LA and Philly are both legit contenders the next couple of years. The league is pretty boring when it is a max of 4 teams that could win before the season starts.
You think he will listen to Walton?
He will prob butt heads with Magic also
Doubt he will sign with the Lakers
Any coach LeBron plays for will be implicitly demoted. Heck, the GM too.
Haha
But Magic is at the same level as Lebum
Lebron is going nowhere...watch
He will worry about breaking the total points record next.
He has already won 3. A few more is nice but winning 2 is already good enough to "judges/outside observers"
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Al Horford is averaging 12.8/7.4/4.8 he is on a max contract and he signed that contract coming off a season where he averaged 17.1/8.2/3.6. Michael Conley signed the largest contract in NBA history coming off a season where he averaged 15.3 points and 6.1 assists. Before signing that contract his career bests were 17.2 and 6.5 so it wasn't like that was a fluke down year. Marc Gasol signed a max contract coming off a season of 17.4/7.8/3.8.
Those aren't abnormal. In fact, they are pretty typical. It appears you have no concept of what players on max contracts actually perform like.
And you can't predict wear and tear injuries because the reality is not everyone gets them. Kareem played 74 games his final season at the age of 41. He played 80 games when he was 40. 78 games when he was 39. Malone's last season was the only time he played less than 80 games in his career. Stockton played 82 games at the age of 40 (28 mpg). He had 1 season in his career where he missed more than 4 games. Jason Kidd played 76 games at the age of 39. He missed 18 games his 2nd to last year at age 38, but from 32 to 37 never missed more than 2 games in a season.
There are countless examples of great players not getting those wear and tear injuries, and not missing much time at all.
Sure the "going rate" for max players is inflated, but one thing to note is that older players cannot play defense well due to decrease in lateral quickness (well all quickness, really). The 3 players you cited are all above average defenders which is a significant component of their value. Marc Gasol was actually a DPOY. So you can't say 37 year old Shaq who was hobbling around and couldn't make it back on defense deserved a max deal because he posted the same numbers as 29 year old Marc Gasol.
Anyways that was off topic. Let's get back to the real point:
"There are countless examples of great players not getting those wear and tear injuries, and not missing much time at all. "
Are there? I'll make it even easier for you. They don't even have to be great. Name 150 players, period of any skill level and any kind of mileage (Scalabrine included). 3,000 people have played in the NBA over the last 50 years. Show me that 5% of them have had nearly uninjured careers all the way to 40 since it's countless according to you. Obviously you don't need to because we all know that 27 players out of 3,000 have made it to 40 and only a subset of them would meet your criteria, so your post is hyperbolic.
Again, I am approaching this from a "most likely" perspective while you guys are approaching it from the "anything can happen" perspective. You aren't arguing against me. You are arguing against statistical improbability. For that reason, I am not offended at all, just like I'm not offended when people play the lottery. I'm just a bit surprised, that's all.
I would give LeBron a 2 year max contract. After 2 years, based on a ton of data, he will not be worth it. Giving a 4 year max deal to a 34 year old means you are going the Brooklyn Nets route and putting all your chips on the table for a 2 year window. It may not be a terrible deal, but I don't personally think that it's a good idea to risk a fantastic young core on a Hail Mary. I don't think LeBron on the Sixers gets them a title and they could sign a free agent like Kahwi in 2019 that better fits their timeline.
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Al Horford is averaging 12.8/7.4/4.8 he is on a max contract and he signed that contract coming off a season where he averaged 17.1/8.2/3.6. Michael Conley signed the largest contract in NBA history coming off a season where he averaged 15.3 points and 6.1 assists. Before signing that contract his career bests were 17.2 and 6.5 so it wasn't like that was a fluke down year. Marc Gasol signed a max contract coming off a season of 17.4/7.8/3.8.
Those aren't abnormal. In fact, they are pretty typical. It appears you have no concept of what players on max contracts actually perform like.
And you can't predict wear and tear injuries because the reality is not everyone gets them. Kareem played 74 games his final season at the age of 41. He played 80 games when he was 40. 78 games when he was 39. Malone's last season was the only time he played less than 80 games in his career. Stockton played 82 games at the age of 40 (28 mpg). He had 1 season in his career where he missed more than 4 games. Jason Kidd played 76 games at the age of 39. He missed 18 games his 2nd to last year at age 38, but from 32 to 37 never missed more than 2 games in a season.
There are countless examples of great players not getting those wear and tear injuries, and not missing much time at all.
Sure the "going rate" for max players is inflated, but one thing to note is that older players cannot play defense well due to decrease in lateral quickness (well all quickness, really). The 3 players you cited are all above average defenders which is a significant component of their value. Marc Gasol was actually a DPOY. So you can't say 37 year old Shaq who was hobbling around and couldn't make it back on defense deserved a max deal because he posted the same numbers as 29 year old Marc Gasol.
Anyways that was off topic. Let's get back to the real point:
"There are countless examples of great players not getting those wear and tear injuries, and not missing much time at all. "
Are there? I'll make it even easier for you. They don't even have to be great. Name 150 players, period of any skill level and any kind of mileage (Scalabrine included). 3,000 people have played in the NBA over the last 50 years. Show me that 5% of them have had nearly uninjured careers all the way to 40 since it's countless according to you. Obviously you don't need to because we all know that 27 players out of 3,000 have made it to 40 and only a subset of them would meet your criteria, so your post is hyperbolic.
Again, I am approaching this from a "most likely" perspective while you guys are approaching it from the "anything can happen" perspective. You aren't arguing against me. You are arguing against statistical improbability. For that reason, I am not offended at all, just like I'm not offended when people play the lottery. I'm just a bit surprised, that's all.
I would give LeBron a 2 year max contract. After 2 years, based on a ton of data, he will not be worth it. Giving a 4 year max deal to a 34 year old means you are going the Brooklyn Nets route and putting all your chips on the table for a 2 year window. It may not be a terrible deal, but I don't personally think that it's a good idea to risk a fantastic young core on a Hail Mary. I don't think LeBron on the Sixers gets them a title and they could sign a free agent like Kahwi in 2019 that better fits their timeline.
It's also worth noting some of the oldest players that were still effective relied on height and limited athleticism. Dirk, Kareem, Duncan, parish, mutombo
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Al Horford is averaging 12.8/7.4/4.8 he is on a max contract and he signed that contract coming off a season where he averaged 17.1/8.2/3.6. Michael Conley signed the largest contract in NBA history coming off a season where he averaged 15.3 points and 6.1 assists. Before signing that contract his career bests were 17.2 and 6.5 so it wasn't like that was a fluke down year. Marc Gasol signed a max contract coming off a season of 17.4/7.8/3.8.
Those aren't abnormal. In fact, they are pretty typical. It appears you have no concept of what players on max contracts actually perform like.
And you can't predict wear and tear injuries because the reality is not everyone gets them. Kareem played 74 games his final season at the age of 41. He played 80 games when he was 40. 78 games when he was 39. Malone's last season was the only time he played less than 80 games in his career. Stockton played 82 games at the age of 40 (28 mpg). He had 1 season in his career where he missed more than 4 games. Jason Kidd played 76 games at the age of 39. He missed 18 games his 2nd to last year at age 38, but from 32 to 37 never missed more than 2 games in a season.
There are countless examples of great players not getting those wear and tear injuries, and not missing much time at all.
Sure the "going rate" for max players is inflated, but one thing to note is that older players cannot play defense well due to decrease in lateral quickness (well all quickness, really). The 3 players you cited are all above average defenders which is a significant component of their value. Marc Gasol was actually a DPOY. So you can't say 37 year old Shaq who was hobbling around and couldn't make it back on defense deserved a max deal because he posted the same numbers as 29 year old Marc Gasol.
Anyways that was off topic. Let's get back to the real point:
"There are countless examples of great players not getting those wear and tear injuries, and not missing much time at all. "
Are there? I'll make it even easier for you. They don't even have to be great. Name 150 players, period of any skill level and any kind of mileage (Scalabrine included). 3,000 people have played in the NBA over the last 50 years. Show me that 5% of them have had nearly uninjured careers all the way to 40 since it's countless according to you. Obviously you don't need to because we all know that 27 players out of 3,000 have made it to 40 and only a subset of them would meet your criteria, so your post is hyperbolic.
Again, I am approaching this from a "most likely" perspective while you guys are approaching it from the "anything can happen" perspective. You aren't arguing against me. You are arguing against statistical improbability. For that reason, I am not offended at all, just like I'm not offended when people play the lottery. I'm just a bit surprised, that's all.
I would give LeBron a 2 year max contract. After 2 years, based on a ton of data, he will not be worth it. Giving a 4 year max deal to a 34 year old means you are going the Brooklyn Nets route and putting all your chips on the table for a 2 year window. It may not be a terrible deal, but I don't personally think that it's a good idea to risk a fantastic young core on a Hail Mary. I don't think LeBron on the Sixers gets them a title and they could sign a free agent like Kahwi in 2019 that better fits their timeline.
Your comparison to BKN is hyperbole. Signing Lebron is not equivalent to a Haily Mary. Again, hyperbole.
I thought I already brought the point up that Lebron is not a player that fits along a trendline. No regression analysis in the world will be a good predictor for a player that is unlike the players that preceded him. While it is often useful to look at the past as a useful predictor, I believe that in this instance, it is not very relevant. The players that you mentioned were not as devoted to their bodies. You could have made the same argument for Tom Brady starting when he was 33.
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so now we are extending it to 40 (even though by your own count Lebron would be 38). And why would they need an entire career uninjured. A freak injury that a player recovers from, isn't any where near the same type of thing you are talking about.
But yeah, there are countless players that played into their late 30's uninjured. Havlicek, for example, played 34 mpg in all 82 games when he was 37 and then retired. Chamberlain at age 36, played 43 mpg in all 82 games and then retired (he led the league in rebounding that final year). He had the season where he played in just 12 games, but otherwise was mostly a machine.
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Al Horford is averaging 12.8/7.4/4.8 he is on a max contract and he signed that contract coming off a season where he averaged 17.1/8.2/3.6. Michael Conley signed the largest contract in NBA history coming off a season where he averaged 15.3 points and 6.1 assists. Before signing that contract his career bests were 17.2 and 6.5 so it wasn't like that was a fluke down year. Marc Gasol signed a max contract coming off a season of 17.4/7.8/3.8.
Those aren't abnormal. In fact, they are pretty typical. It appears you have no concept of what players on max contracts actually perform like.
And you can't predict wear and tear injuries because the reality is not everyone gets them. Kareem played 74 games his final season at the age of 41. He played 80 games when he was 40. 78 games when he was 39. Malone's last season was the only time he played less than 80 games in his career. Stockton played 82 games at the age of 40 (28 mpg). He had 1 season in his career where he missed more than 4 games. Jason Kidd played 76 games at the age of 39. He missed 18 games his 2nd to last year at age 38, but from 32 to 37 never missed more than 2 games in a season.
There are countless examples of great players not getting those wear and tear injuries, and not missing much time at all.
Sure the "going rate" for max players is inflated, but one thing to note is that older players cannot play defense well due to decrease in lateral quickness (well all quickness, really). The 3 players you cited are all above average defenders which is a significant component of their value. Marc Gasol was actually a DPOY. So you can't say 37 year old Shaq who was hobbling around and couldn't make it back on defense deserved a max deal because he posted the same numbers as 29 year old Marc Gasol.
Anyways that was off topic. Let's get back to the real point:
"There are countless examples of great players not getting those wear and tear injuries, and not missing much time at all. "
Are there? I'll make it even easier for you. They don't even have to be great. Name 150 players, period of any skill level and any kind of mileage (Scalabrine included). 3,000 people have played in the NBA over the last 50 years. Show me that 5% of them have had nearly uninjured careers all the way to 40 since it's countless according to you. Obviously you don't need to because we all know that 27 players out of 3,000 have made it to 40 and only a subset of them would meet your criteria, so your post is hyperbolic.
Again, I am approaching this from a "most likely" perspective while you guys are approaching it from the "anything can happen" perspective. You aren't arguing against me. You are arguing against statistical improbability. For that reason, I am not offended at all, just like I'm not offended when people play the lottery. I'm just a bit surprised, that's all.
I would give LeBron a 2 year max contract. After 2 years, based on a ton of data, he will not be worth it. Giving a 4 year max deal to a 34 year old means you are going the Brooklyn Nets route and putting all your chips on the table for a 2 year window. It may not be a terrible deal, but I don't personally think that it's a good idea to risk a fantastic young core on a Hail Mary. I don't think LeBron on the Sixers gets them a title and they could sign a free agent like Kahwi in 2019 that better fits their timeline.
Your comparison to BKN is hyperbole. Signing Lebron is not equivalent to a Haily Mary. Again, hyperbole.
I thought I already brought the point up that Lebron is not a player that fits along a trendline. No regression analysis in the world will be a good predictor for a player that is unlike the players that preceded him. While it is often useful to look at the past as a useful predictor, I believe that in this instance, it is not very relevant. The players that you mentioned were not as devoted to their bodies. You could have made the same argument for Tom Brady starting when he was 33.
It's actually not hyperbole. If the player is max worthy at ages 34 and 35 but not max worthy at 36 and 37 (if even still playing meaningful minutes), you're sacrificing a lot of salary on the back-end for 2 shots at a title roughly around the time that the Sixers would be ready to begin to compete for a title (where the Celtics are now). It's a waste of 2 years of LeBron and a waste of 2 years of the Sixers' title chances. It's not a good fit at all. Why not just try to lure more of a sure thing like Anthony Davis or Kahwi Leonard?
"I thought I already brought the point up that Lebron is not a player that fits along a trendline.
No regression analysis in the world will be a good predictor for a player that is unlike the players that preceded him. While it is often useful to look at the past as a useful predictor, I believe that in this instance, it is not very relevant."
In what sense? He's a human being, isn't he? You can tell by his interviews, play style, and workout routine that he will be a statistical outlier? While we're at it, could you tell me the price of Bitcoin in 2022, Noah?
"The players that you mentioned were not as devoted to their bodies."
And you know this how? Are you their doctor?
"You could have made the same argument for Tom Brady starting when he was 33."
Different sport, statistical outlier. Again, it's not that he CAN'T. It's just very unlikely.
Sorry, but your entire post is devoid of a cogent argument.
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so now we are extending it to 40 (even though by your own count Lebron would be 38). And why would they need an entire career uninjured. A freak injury that a player recovers from, isn't any where near the same type of thing you are talking about.
But yeah, there are countless players that played into their late 30's uninjured. Havlicek, for example, played 34 mpg in all 82 games when he was 37 and then retired. Chamberlain at age 36, played 43 mpg in all 82 games and then retired (he led the league in rebounding that final year). He had the season where he played in just 12 games, but otherwise was mostly a machine.
Actually, you extended it to 40 when you started naming some statistical outliers and tried to frame it as if a lot of players make it to late 30s/40. I'm really not sure how this is complicated. The expected result of LeBron James is to greatly decline by 35 years old. If I'm wrong, it's not because I'm an idiot. He just beat the odds. If I'm right, it's not because you're an idiot. This isn't really something to argue about. It's a "statistical fact" based on a lot of data.
If you want something that we can argue about, I think that we can already see signs of decline now in the sense that he doesn't play defense anymore and takes off plays on offense. Yeah he can put up a bunch of points, but he will be exposed in the playoffs when you can't take plays off and getting blown out isn't someone else's fault.
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Here's a few data points on Philly's record and ratings since January 1st, from my boss, who is an annoying Philadelphia 76ers fan: "
"Since January first, the Sixers are 29-11. They have an offensive rating of 10th at 109.3. They have the 2nd best Def rating at 100.8. Their net rating of 8.5 is first.
That is 60 win pace since January 1st."
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Here's a few data points on Philly's record and ratings since January 1st, from my boss, who is an annoying Philadelphia 76ers fan: "
"Since January first, the Sixers are 29-11. They have an offensive rating of 10th at 109.3. They have the 2nd best Def rating at 100.8. Their net rating of 8.5 is first.
That is 60 win pace since January 1st."
I believe they've had the easiest schedule in the league over that time period, but still very very impressive.
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so now we are extending it to 40 (even though by your own count Lebron would be 38). And why would they need an entire career uninjured. A freak injury that a player recovers from, isn't any where near the same type of thing you are talking about.
But yeah, there are countless players that played into their late 30's uninjured. Havlicek, for example, played 34 mpg in all 82 games when he was 37 and then retired. Chamberlain at age 36, played 43 mpg in all 82 games and then retired (he led the league in rebounding that final year). He had the season where he played in just 12 games, but otherwise was mostly a machine.
Actually, you extended it to 40 when you started naming some statistical outliers and tried to frame it as if a lot of players make it to late 30s/40. I'm really not sure how this is complicated. The expected result of LeBron James is to greatly decline by 35 years old. If I'm wrong, it's not because I'm an idiot. He just beat the odds. If I'm right, it's not because you're an idiot. This isn't really something to argue about. It's a "statistical fact" based on a lot of data.
If you want something that we can argue about, I think that we can already see signs of decline now in the sense that he doesn't play defense anymore and takes off plays on offense. Yeah he can put up a bunch of points, but he will be exposed in the playoffs when you can't take plays off and getting blown out isn't someone else's fault.
So you’re saying that getting blown out, if it happens, will be Lebron fault? What kind of twisted logic is that? Five lebrons, even at this age, would be the greatest one man team you could make. That team would have it all. You can’t say that about any other player ever.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/cj-mccollum-lebron-james-sixers-030018161.html
Wait and see, unless Cavs get miracle top draft choice like before, he will go to Philly. Still his best chance at string of multiple title visits to continue.
Ohio fans seem to think he has gotten Cleveland the title and is free to leave again to chase titles. They dont seem to think he is resigning and many I know are not renewing season tickets until the dust settles. They have been getting lots of calls to renew now!
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/cj-mccollum-lebron-james-sixers-030018161.html
Wait and see, unless Cavs get miracle top draft choice like before, he will go to Philly. Still his best chance at string of multiple title visits to continue.
Ohio fans seem to think he has gotten Cleveland the title and is free to leave again to chase titles. They dont seem to think he is resigning and many I know are not renewing season tickets until the dust settles. They have been getting lots of calls to renew now!
Are we really posting an opinion from CJ Mcollums podcast as some sort of news on this? Jeez it feels like people on this board are praying he goes there.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/cj-mccollum-lebron-james-sixers-030018161.html
Wait and see, unless Cavs get miracle top draft choice like before, he will go to Philly. Still his best chance at string of multiple title visits to continue.
Ohio fans seem to think he has gotten Cleveland the title and is free to leave again to chase titles. They dont seem to think he is resigning and many I know are not renewing season tickets until the dust settles. They have been getting lots of calls to renew now!
Are we really posting an opinion from CJ Mcollums podcast as some sort of news on this? Jeez it feels like people on this board are praying he goes there.
I am definitely not praying he goes there but when I see an opinion from someone who is not a fan and in the league, I figured why not share. His opinion probably has more validity then ours as it is his profession.
I for one, want him in out west. I would like to see him only in the finals vs our team. But stopping him from getting there would be fun as well.
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so now we are extending it to 40 (even though by your own count Lebron would be 38). And why would they need an entire career uninjured. A freak injury that a player recovers from, isn't any where near the same type of thing you are talking about.
But yeah, there are countless players that played into their late 30's uninjured. Havlicek, for example, played 34 mpg in all 82 games when he was 37 and then retired. Chamberlain at age 36, played 43 mpg in all 82 games and then retired (he led the league in rebounding that final year). He had the season where he played in just 12 games, but otherwise was mostly a machine.
Actually, you extended it to 40 when you started naming some statistical outliers and tried to frame it as if a lot of players make it to late 30s/40. I'm really not sure how this is complicated. The expected result of LeBron James is to greatly decline by 35 years old. If I'm wrong, it's not because I'm an idiot. He just beat the odds. If I'm right, it's not because you're an idiot. This isn't really something to argue about. It's a "statistical fact" based on a lot of data.
If you want something that we can argue about, I think that we can already see signs of decline now in the sense that he doesn't play defense anymore and takes off plays on offense. Yeah he can put up a bunch of points, but he will be exposed in the playoffs when you can't take plays off and getting blown out isn't someone else's fault.
So you’re saying that getting blown out, if it happens, will be Lebron fault? What kind of twisted logic is that? Five lebrons, even at this age, would be the greatest one man team you could make. That team would have it all. You can’t say that about any other player ever.
Does he Beat five Durants or 5 Giannis' or 5 Kawais?
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so now we are extending it to 40 (even though by your own count Lebron would be 38). And why would they need an entire career uninjured. A freak injury that a player recovers from, isn't any where near the same type of thing you are talking about.
But yeah, there are countless players that played into their late 30's uninjured. Havlicek, for example, played 34 mpg in all 82 games when he was 37 and then retired. Chamberlain at age 36, played 43 mpg in all 82 games and then retired (he led the league in rebounding that final year). He had the season where he played in just 12 games, but otherwise was mostly a machine.
Actually, you extended it to 40 when you started naming some statistical outliers and tried to frame it as if a lot of players make it to late 30s/40. I'm really not sure how this is complicated. The expected result of LeBron James is to greatly decline by 35 years old. If I'm wrong, it's not because I'm an idiot. He just beat the odds. If I'm right, it's not because you're an idiot. This isn't really something to argue about. It's a "statistical fact" based on a lot of data.
If you want something that we can argue about, I think that we can already see signs of decline now in the sense that he doesn't play defense anymore and takes off plays on offense. Yeah he can put up a bunch of points, but he will be exposed in the playoffs when you can't take plays off and getting blown out isn't someone else's fault.
So you’re saying that getting blown out, if it happens, will be Lebron fault? What kind of twisted logic is that? Five lebrons, even at this age, would be the greatest one man team you could make. That team would have it all. You can’t say that about any other player ever.
Does he Beat five Durants or 5 Giannis' or 5 Kawais?
Yes. At least right now.
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so now we are extending it to 40 (even though by your own count Lebron would be 38). And why would they need an entire career uninjured. A freak injury that a player recovers from, isn't any where near the same type of thing you are talking about.
But yeah, there are countless players that played into their late 30's uninjured. Havlicek, for example, played 34 mpg in all 82 games when he was 37 and then retired. Chamberlain at age 36, played 43 mpg in all 82 games and then retired (he led the league in rebounding that final year). He had the season where he played in just 12 games, but otherwise was mostly a machine.
Actually, you extended it to 40 when you started naming some statistical outliers and tried to frame it as if a lot of players make it to late 30s/40. I'm really not sure how this is complicated. The expected result of LeBron James is to greatly decline by 35 years old. If I'm wrong, it's not because I'm an idiot. He just beat the odds. If I'm right, it's not because you're an idiot. This isn't really something to argue about. It's a "statistical fact" based on a lot of data.
If you want something that we can argue about, I think that we can already see signs of decline now in the sense that he doesn't play defense anymore and takes off plays on offense. Yeah he can put up a bunch of points, but he will be exposed in the playoffs when you can't take plays off and getting blown out isn't someone else's fault.
So you’re saying that getting blown out, if it happens, will be Lebron fault? What kind of twisted logic is that? Five lebrons, even at this age, would be the greatest one man team you could make. That team would have it all. You can’t say that about any other player ever.
Does he Beat five Durants or 5 Giannis' or 5 Kawais?
Without question. Lebron can play 1-4 at ELITE levels and he’d be a serviceable center. None of those other guys can play PG at as high a level (or at all). None of those guys have the vision either.
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so now we are extending it to 40 (even though by your own count Lebron would be 38). And why would they need an entire career uninjured. A freak injury that a player recovers from, isn't any where near the same type of thing you are talking about.
But yeah, there are countless players that played into their late 30's uninjured. Havlicek, for example, played 34 mpg in all 82 games when he was 37 and then retired. Chamberlain at age 36, played 43 mpg in all 82 games and then retired (he led the league in rebounding that final year). He had the season where he played in just 12 games, but otherwise was mostly a machine.
Actually, you extended it to 40 when you started naming some statistical outliers and tried to frame it as if a lot of players make it to late 30s/40. I'm really not sure how this is complicated. The expected result of LeBron James is to greatly decline by 35 years old. If I'm wrong, it's not because I'm an idiot. He just beat the odds. If I'm right, it's not because you're an idiot. This isn't really something to argue about. It's a "statistical fact" based on a lot of data.
If you want something that we can argue about, I think that we can already see signs of decline now in the sense that he doesn't play defense anymore and takes off plays on offense. Yeah he can put up a bunch of points, but he will be exposed in the playoffs when you can't take plays off and getting blown out isn't someone else's fault.
I just don't buy that math, because the math isn't based on someone like James who has generally been healthy. If you look at players of similar health, they tend to stay of similar health even when they get old. They might suffer a serious injury, like Kobe, and it is harder to return from those when they are older, but players don't go from 75+ games to playing 60 games from wear and tear (maybe their final season at 40 or so that happens). The vast majority of players that play well past 35 generally play similar amounts of games most of those seasons (obviously they aren't as good and their minutes are lessened). A guy like Shaq, that was always missing games, will miss more games when he is older, but that is his history.
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The more I watch the Sixers, the more I start to think that adding Lebron might actually not be a wise move for them.
I mean yeah, on paper you'd easily pencil them in for the Finals, and maybe even a Banner.
But Simmons NEEDS the ball to do what he does, and I really don't think relegating him to just standing in the corner to catch-and-shoot is really going to help him grow. He's a transcendental talent in the making, and if you put Lebron there, I'm just not that sure if Lebron and Simmons can co-exist.
Maybe it's just me though...
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I wouldn't be to scare of Lebron joining this Sixers team. Fultz/Simmons/Lebron all need to have the ball in their hands to be useful. None of them especially Simmons are spot up shooters. Lebron shoots better from the out side than he use to, but I still rather have him take 18+ footers than drive to the basket. Simmons the same, and Who knows with Fultz right now, probably should just foul him every time.
They wouldn't be able to spread the floor well. Not like how Boston will next year. With Tatum and Brown shooting so well, they could kill teams who double who's driving to the hoop with kick outs.
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The more I watch the Sixers, the more I start to think that adding Lebron might actually not be a wise move for them.
I mean yeah, on paper you'd easily pencil them in for the Finals, and maybe even a Banner.
But Simmons NEEDS the ball to do what he does, and I really don't think relegating him to just standing in the corner to catch-and-shoot is really going to help him grow. He's a transcendental talent in the making, and if you put Lebron there, I'm just not that sure if Lebron and Simmons can co-exist.
Maybe it's just me though...
I am starting to think it wouldn't be great either for Philly..
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The more I watch the Sixers, the more I start to think that adding Lebron might actually not be a wise move for them.
I mean yeah, on paper you'd easily pencil them in for the Finals, and maybe even a Banner.
But Simmons NEEDS the ball to do what he does, and I really don't think relegating him to just standing in the corner to catch-and-shoot is really going to help him grow. He's a transcendental talent in the making, and if you put Lebron there, I'm just not that sure if Lebron and Simmons can co-exist.
Maybe it's just me though...
your right on .....Lebron is too controlling of the overall game, he is not satisfied with playing one postion and taking the most shots ....he wants to control the entire game.....and refs . He wants to make GM decision s, coach during game , rule off the court ..... he makes it hard to fit in with other alpha players . Everybody on any team he joins has to be willing to submit to his dominating ego, take a back seat . In Lebrons mind he does not want any coach who is smarter than himself ....it kills his ego , to take orders. It also appears if you are not HIS pal , then forget making any headway in your career.
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The more I watch the Sixers, the more I start to think that adding Lebron might actually not be a wise move for them.
I mean yeah, on paper you'd easily pencil them in for the Finals, and maybe even a Banner.
But Simmons NEEDS the ball to do what he does, and I really don't think relegating him to just standing in the corner to catch-and-shoot is really going to help him grow. He's a transcendental talent in the making, and if you put Lebron there, I'm just not that sure if Lebron and Simmons can co-exist.
Maybe it's just me though...
I am starting to think it wouldn't be great either for Philly..
It would be awesome if his ego destroyed the team
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The more I watch the Sixers, the more I start to think that adding Lebron might actually not be a wise move for them.
I mean yeah, on paper you'd easily pencil them in for the Finals, and maybe even a Banner.
But Simmons NEEDS the ball to do what he does, and I really don't think relegating him to just standing in the corner to catch-and-shoot is really going to help him grow. He's a transcendental talent in the making, and if you put Lebron there, I'm just not that sure if Lebron and Simmons can co-exist.
Maybe it's just me though...
I am starting to think it wouldn't be great either for Philly..
It would be awesome if his ego destroyed the team
If Lebron went to the Sixers they'd seriously have to consider trading Simmons to bring a star who's a better fit next to Lebron. Simmons/Fultz for Kawhi??? Lebron/Kawhi/Embiid is a helluva a Big 3.
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LeBron and Wade were both very ball dominant and like Simmons Wade isn't a good shooter. LeBron and Irving also very ball dominant and worked just fine.
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Nothing groundbreaking here, but Windy was weighing in on the free agency of Lebron again. Said Lebron could control his destiny by demanding a sign and trade and cavs would give us just like clipper with paul.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249660/Windhorst-Early-Cavs-Exit-Would-Give-LeBron-Extended-Period-To-Plot-Next-Move
Maybe a dark horse team nobody has mentioned is out there?
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That has always been a dark horse option, but I never really considered it because there really aren't any teams that make sense that couldn't create the cap space. That said, a trade with Houston in that scenario would make a lot of sense since the Rockets would have to lose Capela, Anderson, and most of their bench to create the cap space, but if they traded for James before the season turned over it could ease some of that burden. Something like Anderson, Gordon, Tucker, a couple of 1st's for James and Thompson makes a good deal of sense for both teams. The Rockets can then pair Harden, James, Nene, and Thompson with a re-signed Paul, Capela, Ariza, Johnson, Mbah a Moute, Green, etc. and whatever other veterans they can bring in for the deeper bench. By doing it that way, the Rockets keep their defensive anchor in the paint. The salary would be as high as the Cavs are this year, but that team would be the clear favorite to win the next couple of titles barring serious injury.
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
But you know LeBron will want a lot of control over shaping HIS roster.
That’s why Lakers still make the most sense to me. He can bring along a friend (I suppose PG13) and have them trade (Ball, Ingram, and Deng would be $30M outgoing) for a third star. LeBron and two stars with a bunch of LA-bound ring-chasers can be a tough team.
LeBron can’t start jumping around every two seasons trying to win anywhere he can. So he may look to regain glory for a glamour franchise even if it’s not next season. Knicks would actually make the most sense (he’d become a New York legend) but it doesn’t seem feasible with their salaries and (lack of) assets.
Should be an interesting summer because I’d be surprised if he stays in Cleveland.
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Oh my god, I care so little about Lebron and am so sick of seeing his name in thread after thread.
If he joins Philly, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he stays in Cleveland, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he decides to build up the Lakers anew, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he decides to find his way to Houston with Harden, Paul, Carmelo and him, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he decides to go all cartoon and join MJ and go all Space Jam on the NBA, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics because....
I Believe They Can Fly
I believe they can touch the sky
I think about it every night and day,
Spread my wings and fly away…
Just gotta believe
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Oh my god, I care so little about Lebron and am so sick of seeing his name in thread after thread.
If he joins Philly, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he stays in Cleveland, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he decides to build up the Lakers anew, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he decides to find his way to Houston with Harden, Paul, Carmelo and him, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he decides to go all cartoon and join MJ and go all Space Jam on the NBA, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics because....
I Believe They Can Fly
I believe they can touch the sky
I think about it every night and day,
Spread my wings and fly away…
Just gotta believe
In these last few years, Lebron really became a Kobe 2. Annoying and overblown.
-Overhyped and everpresent by the media.
-His team is irrelevant in terms of the NBA hierarchy.
-He makes his team his hostage (not committing verbally and blackmailing them through his Clutch Sports agency)
-His every statement is how great HE is and how HE will do his, regardless of the context.
LeBron James: "I Understand How Important I Am To The Team" is the latest one
-The Jordan vs LeBron forced debate (by LBJ and media). Common, it is not a convo at all, we have seen them both play. One needs a scorer to close the game for him, the other one doesn't.
-His teammates not buying in (Crowder, IT) or leaving him (Kyrie) due to these factors, and therefore lowering his own chances of success.
We don't have to worry about him.
We are the team.
He is done.
All that 20-year long noise for just 3 chips.
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Oh my god, I care so little about Lebron and am so sick of seeing his name in thread after thread.
If he joins Philly, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he stays in Cleveland, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he decides to build up the Lakers anew, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he decides to find his way to Houston with Harden, Paul, Carmelo and him, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he decides to go all cartoon and join MJ and go all Space Jam on the NBA, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics because....
I Believe They Can Fly
I believe they can touch the sky
I think about it every night and day,
Spread my wings and fly away…
Just gotta believe
In these last few years, Lebron really became a Kobe 2. Annoying and overblown.
-Overhyped and everpresent by the media.
-His team is irrelevant in terms of the NBA hierarchy.
-He makes his team his hostage (not committing verbally and blackmailing them through his Clutch Sports agency)
-His every statement is how great HE is and how HE will do his, regardless of the context.
LeBron James: "I Understand How Important I Am To The Team" is the latest one
-The Jordan vs LeBron forced debate (by LBJ and media). Common, it is not a convo at all, we have seen them both play. One needs a scorer to close the game for him, the other one doesn't.
-His teammates not buying in (Crowder, IT) or leaving him (Kyrie) due to these factors, and therefore lowering his own chances of success.
We don't have to worry about him.
We are the team.
He is done.
All that 20-year long noise for just 3 chips.
A lot of this is right, but he’s not irrelevant yet. Whatever team he joins next year will be an instant contender.
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Oh my god, I care so little about Lebron and am so sick of seeing his name in thread after thread.
If he joins Philly, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he stays in Cleveland, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he decides to build up the Lakers anew, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he decides to find his way to Houston with Harden, Paul, Carmelo and him, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he decides to go all cartoon and join MJ and go all Space Jam on the NBA, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics because....
I Believe They Can Fly
I believe they can touch the sky
I think about it every night and day,
Spread my wings and fly away…
Just gotta believe
In these last few years, Lebron really became a Kobe 2. Annoying and overblown.
-Overhyped and everpresent by the media.
-His team is irrelevant in terms of the NBA hierarchy.
-He makes his team his hostage (not committing verbally and blackmailing them through his Clutch Sports agency)
-His every statement is how great HE is and how HE will do his, regardless of the context.
LeBron James: "I Understand How Important I Am To The Team" is the latest one
-The Jordan vs LeBron forced debate (by LBJ and media). Common, it is not a convo at all, we have seen them both play. One needs a scorer to close the game for him, the other one doesn't.
-His teammates not buying in (Crowder, IT) or leaving him (Kyrie) due to these factors, and therefore lowering his own chances of success.
We don't have to worry about him.
We are the team.
He is done.
All that 20-year long noise for just 3 chips.
A lot of this is right, but he’s not irrelevant yet. Whatever team he joins next year will be an instant contender.
I don't think that he is irrelevant, but his team is.
They said this year's Cleveland team will be great and it didn't happen. After the trade deadline moves again they said it after blowing us. Still nothing.
Next year? We will see, I don't believe it. Ego is strong in him.
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Oh my god, I care so little about Lebron and am so sick of seeing his name in thread after thread.
If he joins Philly, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he stays in Cleveland, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he decides to build up the Lakers anew, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he decides to find his way to Houston with Harden, Paul, Carmelo and him, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics.
If he decides to go all cartoon and join MJ and go all Space Jam on the NBA, I couldn't care less, he's losing to the Celtics because....
I Believe They Can Fly
I believe they can touch the sky
I think about it every night and day,
Spread my wings and fly away…
Just gotta believe
In these last few years, Lebron really became a Kobe 2. Annoying and overblown.
-Overhyped and everpresent by the media.
-His team is irrelevant in terms of the NBA hierarchy.
-He makes his team his hostage (not committing verbally and blackmailing them through his Clutch Sports agency)
-His every statement is how great HE is and how HE will do his, regardless of the context.
LeBron James: "I Understand How Important I Am To The Team" is the latest one
-The Jordan vs LeBron forced debate (by LBJ and media). Common, it is not a convo at all, we have seen them both play. One needs a scorer to close the game for him, the other one doesn't.
-His teammates not buying in (Crowder, IT) or leaving him (Kyrie) due to these factors, and therefore lowering his own chances of success.
We don't have to worry about him.
We are the team.
He is done.
All that 20-year long noise for just 3 chips.
A lot of this is right, but he’s not irrelevant yet. Whatever team he joins next year will be an instant contender.
I don't think that he is irrelevant, but his team is.
They said this year's Cleveland team will be great and it didn't happen. After the trade deadline moves again they said it after blowing us. Still nothing.
Next year? We will see, I don't believe it. Ego is strong in him.
Let's see what happens the rest of the way. The Pacers are a tough match-up for the Cavs, but does anyone really think the Cavs will be challenged at all by the Raptors or Wizards if they get by the Pacers. Actually, the Wizards might give them fits as they are similar to the Pacers in many ways, but the Raptors would be a pretty easy 2nd round series for the Cavs.
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
Not necessarily true. Would GSW management sign Lebron if he wanted to go there? Would Boston Celtics management sign him? Highly doubtful, because of existing team dynamics. I think the same about Philly. First of all, I don’t think he’s a good fit there personnel-wise. Secondly, I don’t think they need him. They’ve got their Lebron James. His name is Ben Simmons.
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
Not necessarily true. Would GSW management sign Lebron if he wanted to go there? Would Boston Celtics management sign him? Highly doubtful, because of existing team dynamics. I think the same about Philly. First of all, I don’t think he’s a good fit there personnel-wise. Secondly, I don’t think they need him. They’ve got their Lebron James. His name is Ben Simmons.
Golden State would absolutely sign Lebron if it didn't cost them any of their big 4 to do it. Frankly, the Celtics might as well, even with Irving. It would mean Irving might very well leave, but if it didn't cost Boston anything to sign him, then I absolutely could see Boston signing him. After all the goal is to win titles and James absolutely helps with that.
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
Not necessarily true. Would GSW management sign Lebron if he wanted to go there? Would Boston Celtics management sign him? Highly doubtful, because of existing team dynamics. I think the same about Philly. First of all, I don’t think he’s a good fit there personnel-wise. Secondly, I don’t think they need him. They’ve got their Lebron James. His name is Ben Simmons.
Golden State would absolutely sign Lebron if it didn't cost them any of their big 4 to do it. Frankly, the Celtics might as well, even with Irving. It would mean Irving might very well leave, but if it didn't cost Boston anything to sign him, then I absolutely could see Boston signing him. After all the goal is to win titles and James absolutely helps with that.
Yeah, i agree. If it was feasible to sign Lebron, we’d do it, even if it meant having to trade Kyrie.
Lebron brings some issues with him, but on the court he’s close to the perfect player.
Assume you trade Kyrie for Kawhi.
Horford / Baynes
Kawhi / Theis
Hayward / Tatum
Brown / Smart
Lebron / Rozier
There’s 0% chance that management says no to that. Unfortunately, we have no way of obtaining him.
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
Not necessarily true. Would GSW management sign Lebron if he wanted to go there? Would Boston Celtics management sign him? Highly doubtful, because of existing team dynamics. I think the same about Philly. First of all, I don’t think he’s a good fit there personnel-wise. Secondly, I don’t think they need him. They’ve got their Lebron James. His name is Ben Simmons.
Golden State would absolutely sign Lebron if it didn't cost them any of their big 4 to do it. Frankly, the Celtics might as well, even with Irving. It would mean Irving might very well leave, but if it didn't cost Boston anything to sign him, then I absolutely could see Boston signing him. After all the goal is to win titles and James absolutely helps with that.
Yeah, i agree. If it was feasible to sign Lebron, we’d do it, even if it meant having to trade Kyrie.
Lebron brings some issues with him, but on the court he’s close to the perfect player.
Assume you trade Kyrie for Kawhi.
Horford / Baynes
Kawhi / Theis
Hayward / Tatum
Brown / Smart
Lebron / Rozier
There’s 0% chance that management says no to that. Unfortunately, we have no way of obtaining him.
No question Cs management would do it presuming they don’t have to dilute the team to do so. Cs would have 4 or 5 Finals appearances over the next 5 years. LBJ could play 30mpg preserving him for the playoffs and preserving his career.
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
Not necessarily true. Would GSW management sign Lebron if he wanted to go there? Would Boston Celtics management sign him? Highly doubtful, because of existing team dynamics. I think the same about Philly. First of all, I don’t think he’s a good fit there personnel-wise. Secondly, I don’t think they need him. They’ve got their Lebron James. His name is Ben Simmons.
Golden State would absolutely sign Lebron if it didn't cost them any of their big 4 to do it. Frankly, the Celtics might as well, even with Irving. It would mean Irving might very well leave, but if it didn't cost Boston anything to sign him, then I absolutely could see Boston signing him. After all the goal is to win titles and James absolutely helps with that.
I'd much, much rather have KI then LBJ. The age difference and shooting does it.
We are the Celtics, we look to dominate until the 2030s arrive and nowadays an older LeBron James isn't on our timeline, let alone five years in advance.
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
Not necessarily true. Would GSW management sign Lebron if he wanted to go there? Would Boston Celtics management sign him? Highly doubtful, because of existing team dynamics. I think the same about Philly. First of all, I don’t think he’s a good fit there personnel-wise. Secondly, I don’t think they need him. They’ve got their Lebron James. His name is Ben Simmons.
Golden State would absolutely sign Lebron if it didn't cost them any of their big 4 to do it. Frankly, the Celtics might as well, even with Irving. It would mean Irving might very well leave, but if it didn't cost Boston anything to sign him, then I absolutely could see Boston signing him. After all the goal is to win titles and James absolutely helps with that.
Agree to disagree. Irving would demand a trade. He’s 26. Lebron is 33. One of the major factors in the Irving trade was creating a bridge between our youth and guys like Al and Hayward.
I believe GS core would be prone to so much criticism that it would never happen. Particularly if they win again this season. Maybe my view (and theirs) changes if they lose.
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He will stay at Cleveland..he know what happen last time when he left..he dont want Cleveland hate him forever if he leaves again..plus cavs will do what ever he say
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
Not necessarily true. Would GSW management sign Lebron if he wanted to go there? Would Boston Celtics management sign him? Highly doubtful, because of existing team dynamics. I think the same about Philly. First of all, I don’t think he’s a good fit there personnel-wise. Secondly, I don’t think they need him. They’ve got their Lebron James. His name is Ben Simmons.
Golden State would absolutely sign Lebron if it didn't cost them any of their big 4 to do it. Frankly, the Celtics might as well, even with Irving. It would mean Irving might very well leave, but if it didn't cost Boston anything to sign him, then I absolutely could see Boston signing him. After all the goal is to win titles and James absolutely helps with that.
Yeah, i agree. If it was feasible to sign Lebron, we’d do it, even if it meant having to trade Kyrie.
Lebron brings some issues with him, but on the court he’s close to the perfect player.
Assume you trade Kyrie for Kawhi.
Horford / Baynes
Kawhi / Theis
Hayward / Tatum
Brown / Smart
Lebron / Rozier
There’s 0% chance that management says no to that. Unfortunately, we have no way of obtaining him.
what about trading Irving (and salary filler) for James?
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
Not necessarily true. Would GSW management sign Lebron if he wanted to go there? Would Boston Celtics management sign him? Highly doubtful, because of existing team dynamics. I think the same about Philly. First of all, I don’t think he’s a good fit there personnel-wise. Secondly, I don’t think they need him. They’ve got their Lebron James. His name is Ben Simmons.
Golden State would absolutely sign Lebron if it didn't cost them any of their big 4 to do it. Frankly, the Celtics might as well, even with Irving. It would mean Irving might very well leave, but if it didn't cost Boston anything to sign him, then I absolutely could see Boston signing him. After all the goal is to win titles and James absolutely helps with that.
I'd much, much rather have KI then LBJ. The age difference and shooting does it.
We are the Celtics, we look to dominate until the 2030s arrive and nowadays an older LeBron James isn't on our timeline, let alone five years in advance.
Irving is injured again. This is what his 5th leg injury. There is a chance that James actually is better player than Irving every single year they are in the league together.
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
Not necessarily true. Would GSW management sign Lebron if he wanted to go there? Would Boston Celtics management sign him? Highly doubtful, because of existing team dynamics. I think the same about Philly. First of all, I don’t think he’s a good fit there personnel-wise. Secondly, I don’t think they need him. They’ve got their Lebron James. His name is Ben Simmons.
Golden State would absolutely sign Lebron if it didn't cost them any of their big 4 to do it. Frankly, the Celtics might as well, even with Irving. It would mean Irving might very well leave, but if it didn't cost Boston anything to sign him, then I absolutely could see Boston signing him. After all the goal is to win titles and James absolutely helps with that.
I'd much, much rather have KI then LBJ. The age difference and shooting does it.
We are the Celtics, we look to dominate until the 2030s arrive and nowadays an older LeBron James isn't on our timeline, let alone five years in advance.
Irving is injured again. This is what his 5th leg injury. There is a chance that James actually is better player than Irving every single year they are in the league together.
There's also a chance Lebron falls off a cliff soon, due to his advanced age and overuse.
There's a chance that he doesn't get out of the first round, too. In large part because he no longer has Kyrie.
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
Not necessarily true. Would GSW management sign Lebron if he wanted to go there? Would Boston Celtics management sign him? Highly doubtful, because of existing team dynamics. I think the same about Philly. First of all, I don’t think he’s a good fit there personnel-wise. Secondly, I don’t think they need him. They’ve got their Lebron James. His name is Ben Simmons.
Golden State would absolutely sign Lebron if it didn't cost them any of their big 4 to do it. Frankly, the Celtics might as well, even with Irving. It would mean Irving might very well leave, but if it didn't cost Boston anything to sign him, then I absolutely could see Boston signing him. After all the goal is to win titles and James absolutely helps with that.
I'd much, much rather have KI then LBJ. The age difference and shooting does it.
We are the Celtics, we look to dominate until the 2030s arrive and nowadays an older LeBron James isn't on our timeline, let alone five years in advance.
Irving is injured again. This is what his 5th leg injury. There is a chance that James actually is better player than Irving every single year they are in the league together.
There's also a chance Lebron falls off a cliff soon, due to his advanced age and overuse.
There's a chance that he doesn't get out of the first round, too. In large part because he no longer has Kyrie.
Sure, and Boston has a good chance to get out of the 1st round without Irving. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.
If I was placing odds on who is more likely to fall of a cliff, it would be the guy that is currently injured and that has missed at least 10 games in 6 of his 7 seasons as a result of consistent injuries.
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
Not necessarily true. Would GSW management sign Lebron if he wanted to go there? Would Boston Celtics management sign him? Highly doubtful, because of existing team dynamics. I think the same about Philly. First of all, I don’t think he’s a good fit there personnel-wise. Secondly, I don’t think they need him. They’ve got their Lebron James. His name is Ben Simmons.
Golden State would absolutely sign Lebron if it didn't cost them any of their big 4 to do it. Frankly, the Celtics might as well, even with Irving. It would mean Irving might very well leave, but if it didn't cost Boston anything to sign him, then I absolutely could see Boston signing him. After all the goal is to win titles and James absolutely helps with that.
Yeah, i agree. If it was feasible to sign Lebron, we’d do it, even if it meant having to trade Kyrie.
Lebron brings some issues with him, but on the court he’s close to the perfect player.
Assume you trade Kyrie for Kawhi.
Horford / Baynes
Kawhi / Theis
Hayward / Tatum
Brown / Smart
Lebron / Rozier
There’s 0% chance that management says no to that. Unfortunately, we have no way of obtaining him.
what about trading Irving (and salary filler) for James?
If memory serves me correctly, you were a big proponent of trading Brown plus other assets (Rozier, Smart??) for Jimmy Butler/Paul George. I only bring this up not because it was a bad idea (although I think it was), but because it represents an impatience among a certain segment on this board who are always trying to create rosters that can compete for a 2-3 year window at the expense of building up longer term, to compete over a much longer period (8-10 years). I appreciate more the sentiment of putting a bet on the growth of your top picks like Brown and Tatum, and yes, your 26 year old PG, Kyrie Irving. Not saying that we should never make a trade. E.g., I favored the Kyrie trade, but that was because we got the best player and we got a lot younger. I would have been interested in Lebron 3-4 years ago, but not anymore. I still think he is great, just that I think he is too ball dominant for a Brad Stevens team, and he is too old for what we are building here with the Boston Celtics.
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
Not necessarily true. Would GSW management sign Lebron if he wanted to go there? Would Boston Celtics management sign him? Highly doubtful, because of existing team dynamics. I think the same about Philly. First of all, I don’t think he’s a good fit there personnel-wise. Secondly, I don’t think they need him. They’ve got their Lebron James. His name is Ben Simmons.
Golden State would absolutely sign Lebron if it didn't cost them any of their big 4 to do it. Frankly, the Celtics might as well, even with Irving. It would mean Irving might very well leave, but if it didn't cost Boston anything to sign him, then I absolutely could see Boston signing him. After all the goal is to win titles and James absolutely helps with that.
I'd much, much rather have KI then LBJ. The age difference and shooting does it.
We are the Celtics, we look to dominate until the 2030s arrive and nowadays an older LeBron James isn't on our timeline, let alone five years in advance.
Irving is injured again. This is what his 5th leg injury. There is a chance that James actually is better player than Irving every single year they are in the league together.
There's also a chance Lebron falls off a cliff soon, due to his advanced age and overuse.
There's a chance that he doesn't get out of the first round, too. In large part because he no longer has Kyrie.
Sure, and Boston has a good chance to get out of the 1st round without Irving. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.
If I was placing odds on who is more likely to fall of a cliff, it would be the guy that is currently injured and that has missed at least 10 games in 6 of his 7 seasons as a result of consistent injuries.
Happy to re-visit this prediction over the next 2-5 years to see which one of us is right. I'm sure you'll remind me if you are, and likewise!
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apparently nobody thinks Bron stays in Cleveland ... ;D
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
Not necessarily true. Would GSW management sign Lebron if he wanted to go there? Would Boston Celtics management sign him? Highly doubtful, because of existing team dynamics. I think the same about Philly. First of all, I don’t think he’s a good fit there personnel-wise. Secondly, I don’t think they need him. They’ve got their Lebron James. His name is Ben Simmons.
Golden State would absolutely sign Lebron if it didn't cost them any of their big 4 to do it. Frankly, the Celtics might as well, even with Irving. It would mean Irving might very well leave, but if it didn't cost Boston anything to sign him, then I absolutely could see Boston signing him. After all the goal is to win titles and James absolutely helps with that.
Yeah, i agree. If it was feasible to sign Lebron, we’d do it, even if it meant having to trade Kyrie.
Lebron brings some issues with him, but on the court he’s close to the perfect player.
Assume you trade Kyrie for Kawhi.
Horford / Baynes
Kawhi / Theis
Hayward / Tatum
Brown / Smart
Lebron / Rozier
There’s 0% chance that management says no to that. Unfortunately, we have no way of obtaining him.
what about trading Irving (and salary filler) for James?
If memory serves me correctly, you were a big proponent of trading Brown plus other assets (Rozier, Smart??) for Jimmy Butler/Paul George. I only bring this up not because it was a bad idea (although I think it was), but because it represents an impatience among a certain segment on this board who are always trying to create rosters that can compete for a 2-3 year window at the expense of building up longer term, to compete over a much longer period (8-10 years). I appreciate more the sentiment of putting a bet on the growth of your top picks like Brown and Tatum, and yes, your 26 year old PG, Kyrie Irving. Not saying that we should never make a trade. E.g., I favored the Kyrie trade, but that was because we got the best player and we got a lot younger. I would have been interested in Lebron 3-4 years ago, but not anymore. I still think he is great, just that I think he is too ball dominant for a Brad Stevens team, and he is too old for what we are building here with the Boston Celtics.
Abut this Lebron/Celtics things. Adding him would of course make us a better team and if Ainge could do it I'm sure he would. But I wouldn't. You see as fun as winning is you have to be able to enjoy the team, and Lebron is just such a winy little diva who I've spent so long hating that I just dont want him. I dont care if he comes here to play for free. I want to beat him, not join him. When hes on a team it becomes all about Lebrn, about how many chips LeBron has, nope. Stay away.
And secondly, continuing that sentiment I want to keep the young guys As awesome as it is adding vets and winning theres something about drafting a guy and having him for 15 years and watching him win and get all star games and rack up records. I am too young to remember early pierce, and we haven't had a guy that good since. I want t see Brown/Tatum become that. Keep the youth!
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
Not necessarily true. Would GSW management sign Lebron if he wanted to go there? Would Boston Celtics management sign him? Highly doubtful, because of existing team dynamics. I think the same about Philly. First of all, I don’t think he’s a good fit there personnel-wise. Secondly, I don’t think they need him. They’ve got their Lebron James. His name is Ben Simmons.
Golden State would absolutely sign Lebron if it didn't cost them any of their big 4 to do it. Frankly, the Celtics might as well, even with Irving. It would mean Irving might very well leave, but if it didn't cost Boston anything to sign him, then I absolutely could see Boston signing him. After all the goal is to win titles and James absolutely helps with that.
I'd much, much rather have KI then LBJ. The age difference and shooting does it.
We are the Celtics, we look to dominate until the 2030s arrive and nowadays an older LeBron James isn't on our timeline, let alone five years in advance.
Irving is injured again. This is what his 5th leg injury. There is a chance that James actually is better player than Irving every single year they are in the league together.
There's also a chance Lebron falls off a cliff soon, due to his advanced age and overuse.
There's a chance that he doesn't get out of the first round, too. In large part because he no longer has Kyrie.
Sure, and Boston has a good chance to get out of the 1st round without Irving. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.
If I was placing odds on who is more likely to fall of a cliff, it would be the guy that is currently injured and that has missed at least 10 games in 6 of his 7 seasons as a result of consistent injuries.
Happy to re-visit this prediction over the next 2-5 years to see which one of us is right. I'm sure you'll remind me if you are, and likewise!
I don't actually think either will fall off a cliff. Lebron will continue his decline but it will be gradual. I expect Irving to mostly recover and get back to his 70 games a year. I'm just saying if I had to wager on it, I believe that Irving is less likely to recover than James is to "fall off a cliff".
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
Not necessarily true. Would GSW management sign Lebron if he wanted to go there? Would Boston Celtics management sign him? Highly doubtful, because of existing team dynamics. I think the same about Philly. First of all, I don’t think he’s a good fit there personnel-wise. Secondly, I don’t think they need him. They’ve got their Lebron James. His name is Ben Simmons.
Golden State would absolutely sign Lebron if it didn't cost them any of their big 4 to do it. Frankly, the Celtics might as well, even with Irving. It would mean Irving might very well leave, but if it didn't cost Boston anything to sign him, then I absolutely could see Boston signing him. After all the goal is to win titles and James absolutely helps with that.
Yeah, i agree. If it was feasible to sign Lebron, we’d do it, even if it meant having to trade Kyrie.
Lebron brings some issues with him, but on the court he’s close to the perfect player.
Assume you trade Kyrie for Kawhi.
Horford / Baynes
Kawhi / Theis
Hayward / Tatum
Brown / Smart
Lebron / Rozier
There’s 0% chance that management says no to that. Unfortunately, we have no way of obtaining him.
what about trading Irving (and salary filler) for James?
If memory serves me correctly, you were a big proponent of trading Brown plus other assets (Rozier, Smart??) for Jimmy Butler/Paul George. I only bring this up not because it was a bad idea (although I think it was), but because it represents an impatience among a certain segment on this board who are always trying to create rosters that can compete for a 2-3 year window at the expense of building up longer term, to compete over a much longer period (8-10 years). I appreciate more the sentiment of putting a bet on the growth of your top picks like Brown and Tatum, and yes, your 26 year old PG, Kyrie Irving. Not saying that we should never make a trade. E.g., I favored the Kyrie trade, but that was because we got the best player and we got a lot younger. I would have been interested in Lebron 3-4 years ago, but not anymore. I still think he is great, just that I think he is too ball dominant for a Brad Stevens team, and he is too old for what we are building here with the Boston Celtics.
I enjoy winning titles. I like teams that are realistic contenders. I don't like to hold out hope that young guys may someday be as good as the player being acquired is right now. I mean there was a large segment on this board that didn't want to trade Al Jefferson for Kevin Garnett. It is great to have attachments to young players, but far too many on here act like Brown and Tatum are already Butler and Leonard, when the reality is they may never be even 80% of what those players are. The bird in hand is worth more than the birds in the bush.
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
Not necessarily true. Would GSW management sign Lebron if he wanted to go there? Would Boston Celtics management sign him? Highly doubtful, because of existing team dynamics. I think the same about Philly. First of all, I don’t think he’s a good fit there personnel-wise. Secondly, I don’t think they need him. They’ve got their Lebron James. His name is Ben Simmons.
Golden State would absolutely sign Lebron if it didn't cost them any of their big 4 to do it. Frankly, the Celtics might as well, even with Irving. It would mean Irving might very well leave, but if it didn't cost Boston anything to sign him, then I absolutely could see Boston signing him. After all the goal is to win titles and James absolutely helps with that.
I'd much, much rather have KI then LBJ. The age difference and shooting does it.
We are the Celtics, we look to dominate until the 2030s arrive and nowadays an older LeBron James isn't on our timeline, let alone five years in advance.
Irving is injured again. This is what his 5th leg injury. There is a chance that James actually is better player than Irving every single year they are in the league together.
You think Lebron will be better at 38 than Irving at 30? That seems.. provocative
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They're already a realistic contender next year if healthy without doing much of anything.
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
Not necessarily true. Would GSW management sign Lebron if he wanted to go there? Would Boston Celtics management sign him? Highly doubtful, because of existing team dynamics. I think the same about Philly. First of all, I don’t think he’s a good fit there personnel-wise. Secondly, I don’t think they need him. They’ve got their Lebron James. His name is Ben Simmons.
Golden State would absolutely sign Lebron if it didn't cost them any of their big 4 to do it. Frankly, the Celtics might as well, even with Irving. It would mean Irving might very well leave, but if it didn't cost Boston anything to sign him, then I absolutely could see Boston signing him. After all the goal is to win titles and James absolutely helps with that.
Yeah, i agree. If it was feasible to sign Lebron, we’d do it, even if it meant having to trade Kyrie.
Lebron brings some issues with him, but on the court he’s close to the perfect player.
Assume you trade Kyrie for Kawhi.
Horford / Baynes
Kawhi / Theis
Hayward / Tatum
Brown / Smart
Lebron / Rozier
There’s 0% chance that management says no to that. Unfortunately, we have no way of obtaining him.
what about trading Irving (and salary filler) for James?
If memory serves me correctly, you were a big proponent of trading Brown plus other assets (Rozier, Smart??) for Jimmy Butler/Paul George. I only bring this up not because it was a bad idea (although I think it was), but because it represents an impatience among a certain segment on this board who are always trying to create rosters that can compete for a 2-3 year window at the expense of building up longer term, to compete over a much longer period (8-10 years). I appreciate more the sentiment of putting a bet on the growth of your top picks like Brown and Tatum, and yes, your 26 year old PG, Kyrie Irving. Not saying that we should never make a trade. E.g., I favored the Kyrie trade, but that was because we got the best player and we got a lot younger. I would have been interested in Lebron 3-4 years ago, but not anymore. I still think he is great, just that I think he is too ball dominant for a Brad Stevens team, and he is too old for what we are building here with the Boston Celtics.
I enjoy winning titles. I like teams that are realistic contenders. I don't like to hold out hope that young guys may someday be as good as the player being acquired is right now. I mean there was a large segment on this board that didn't want to trade Al Jefferson for Kevin Garnett. It is great to have attachments to young players, but far too many on here act like Brown and Tatum are already Butler and Leonard, when the reality is they may never be even 80% of what those players are. The bird in hand is worth more than the birds in the bush.
Seriously Brown is more than 80% Butler today. Trade proposals of that ilk don’t win championships. They create the current incarnation of the OKC Thunder. No thank you.
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Embiid recent comments suggest they don’t need Lebron. I really doubt Simmons wants him there.
Which really doesn't matter. If Lebron expresses an interest in going to the Sixers, their ownership and management aren't going to turn him down. A lot of Sixers fans would be up in arms if they did.
Not necessarily true. Would GSW management sign Lebron if he wanted to go there? Would Boston Celtics management sign him? Highly doubtful, because of existing team dynamics. I think the same about Philly. First of all, I don’t think he’s a good fit there personnel-wise. Secondly, I don’t think they need him. They’ve got their Lebron James. His name is Ben Simmons.
Golden State would absolutely sign Lebron if it didn't cost them any of their big 4 to do it. Frankly, the Celtics might as well, even with Irving. It would mean Irving might very well leave, but if it didn't cost Boston anything to sign him, then I absolutely could see Boston signing him. After all the goal is to win titles and James absolutely helps with that.
Yeah, i agree. If it was feasible to sign Lebron, we’d do it, even if it meant having to trade Kyrie.
Lebron brings some issues with him, but on the court he’s close to the perfect player.
Assume you trade Kyrie for Kawhi.
Horford / Baynes
Kawhi / Theis
Hayward / Tatum
Brown / Smart
Lebron / Rozier
There’s 0% chance that management says no to that. Unfortunately, we have no way of obtaining him.
what about trading Irving (and salary filler) for James?
If memory serves me correctly, you were a big proponent of trading Brown plus other assets (Rozier, Smart??) for Jimmy Butler/Paul George. I only bring this up not because it was a bad idea (although I think it was), but because it represents an impatience among a certain segment on this board who are always trying to create rosters that can compete for a 2-3 year window at the expense of building up longer term, to compete over a much longer period (8-10 years). I appreciate more the sentiment of putting a bet on the growth of your top picks like Brown and Tatum, and yes, your 26 year old PG, Kyrie Irving. Not saying that we should never make a trade. E.g., I favored the Kyrie trade, but that was because we got the best player and we got a lot younger. I would have been interested in Lebron 3-4 years ago, but not anymore. I still think he is great, just that I think he is too ball dominant for a Brad Stevens team, and he is too old for what we are building here with the Boston Celtics.
I enjoy winning titles. I like teams that are realistic contenders. I don't like to hold out hope that young guys may someday be as good as the player being acquired is right now. I mean there was a large segment on this board that didn't want to trade Al Jefferson for Kevin Garnett. It is great to have attachments to young players, but far too many on here act like Brown and Tatum are already Butler and Leonard, when the reality is they may never be even 80% of what those players are. The bird in hand is worth more than the birds in the bush.
Seriously Brown is more than 80% Butler today. Trade proposals of that ilk don’t win championships. They create the current incarnation of the OKC Thunder. No thank you.
Yeah Brown is scoring 23 a game in the playoffs right now. Why do people want to trade him for Butler? Butler is 29 next year and makes 20 million... Brown makes 4.7 and 11 million combined the next two seasons and is 22 next season. That would be an awful awful trade to do even if we just had filler...
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I'm getting the feeling Bron might not join the 76ers next summer after all
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As long as Lebron doesn't join the Sixers this summer, I think we're fine going forward. Sixers will still be our biggest threats in the East IMHO, but I think we'll be better and deeper especially once we're healthy.
Now Philly could still add George or Leonard, but George is not at Lebron's level, and while a healthy Kawhi is Top-5 in the league, PHI would definitely have to give up pieces to acquire him (like Fultz, Saric, another piece and like 2 picks I imagine), so while Kawhi is an upgrade, it would come at a bit of a cost too. Also, we don't know much about Kawhi's injury and it seems there are red flags on him now (which seems bizarre considering Kawhi is usually humble and respected, but idk..)
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As long as Lebron doesn't join the Sixers this summer, I think we're fine going forward. Sixers will still be our biggest threats in the East IMHO, but I think we'll be better and deeper especially once we're healthy.
Now Philly could still add George or Leonard, but George is not at Lebron's level, and while a healthy Kawhi is Top-5 in the league, PHI would definitely have to give up pieces to acquire him (like Fultz, Saric, another piece and like 2 picks I imagine), so while Kawhi is an upgrade, it would come at a bit of a cost too. Also, we don't know much about Kawhi's injury and it seems there are red flags on him now (which seems bizarre considering Kawhi is usually humble and respected, but idk..)
I think Philly gets one of Leonard or McCollum. Or maybe even Beal. They can package the Lakers Pick this year, possibly another future pick, and some salary pieces to get it done. I'd imagine in a Leonard deal though, Fultz would also have to be in the package. I don't see Lebron going there to be honest.
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A lot of Sixers fans think that they will trade for Kawhi and that will lead to Lebron signing with them too :( :o
If it's true that Popovich would not trade a star in his own conference, then that probably would mean he's not Lakers bound. But could a team like MIL or Charlotte or NYK beat a rumored PHI offer for Leonard (Fultz, Saric + Salary + Pick)?
Or maybe Spurs and Kawhi settle their differences and Kawhi signs that $219M extension.
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A lot of Sixers fans think that they will trade for Kawhi and that will lead to Lebron signing with them too :( :o
If it's true that Popovich would not trade a star in his own conference, then that probably would mean he's not Lakers bound. But could a team like MIL or Charlotte or NYK beat a rumored PHI offer for Leonard (Fultz, Saric + Salary + Pick)?
Or maybe Spurs and Kawhi settle their differences and Kawhi signs that $219M extension.
Been hearing beef between Kawhi Leonard and Spurs, so he's for sure out of San Antonio.
Hoping LeBron and Paul George go to the Lakers...so Boston can own the East for multiple years to come. And it'll be fun watching the Lakers succumb to the Warriors 4 times a year.
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For the people who think LeBron can't coexist with Ben Simmons, because they are both ball-dominant and Ben can't shoot...
If you're Philly why not just trade Ben Simmons + Covington for Kawhi and sign LeBron?
Overpay by Philly?
Probably true. They could probably get Kawhi for Fultz + Covington + #10.
But are we totally ruling out the idea of moving Simmons for the bigger picture? If they think Fultz can become the player they expected him to become, a line-up of PG - "Good" Fultz, SG - Kawhi, SF - LeBron, PF - Saric, C - Embiid... nasty.
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A lot of Sixers fans think that they will trade for Kawhi and that will lead to Lebron signing with them too :( :o
If it's true that Popovich would not trade a star in his own conference, then that probably would mean he's not Lakers bound. But could a team like MIL or Charlotte or NYK beat a rumored PHI offer for Leonard (Fultz, Saric + Salary + Pick)?
Or maybe Spurs and Kawhi settle their differences and Kawhi signs that $219M extension.
Fultz, Saric, etc for Leonard would be dismissed by Spurs. Garbage. Would have to include Simmons, and even that would be a risk for Spurs given his dreadful playoff performance so far. If you’re the Sixers you may deal Simmons for Leonard and hope that Fultz can get his act together to be your starting PG. Embiid, Leonard and a rehabilitated Fultz would be more competitive than current Philly lineup.
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For the people who think LeBron can't coexist with Ben Simmons, because they are both ball-dominant and Ben can't shoot...
If you're Philly why not just trade Ben Simmons + Covington for Kawhi and sign LeBron?
Overpay by Philly?
Probably true. They could probably get Kawhi for Fultz + Covington + #10.
But are we totally ruling out the idea of moving Simmons for the bigger picture? If they think Fultz can become the player they expected him to become, a line-up of PG - "Good" Fultz, SG - Kawhi, SF - LeBron, PF - Saric, C - Embiid... nasty.
Funny I just posted similar trade proposal. I guess we’re friends now LOL.
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On subject of Lebron, Cleveland has a very good chance of getting to the finals again. If they do, why would he bother to leave Cleveland? Especially if they could use BKLN pick in trade for help.
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For the people who think LeBron can't coexist with Ben Simmons, because they are both ball-dominant and Ben can't shoot...
If you're Philly why not just trade Ben Simmons + Covington for Kawhi and sign LeBron?
Overpay by Philly?
Probably true. They could probably get Kawhi for Fultz + Covington + #10.
But are we totally ruling out the idea of moving Simmons for the bigger picture? If they think Fultz can become the player they expected him to become, a line-up of PG - "Good" Fultz, SG - Kawhi, SF - LeBron, PF - Saric, C - Embiid... nasty.
I agree. If Lebron agreed to go to Philly, then a deal centered around Simmons/Covington for Kawhi would be great for both teams. I would be genuinely scared of Philly with an Embiid, Lebron, Kawhi core.
I can't imagine Fultz/Covington/#10 is going to be the best deal out there for Kawhi. I know Fultz still has some value, but he also has a lot of question marks. The main piece coming back for Kawhi has to be a guarantee.
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A lot of Sixers fans think that they will trade for Kawhi and that will lead to Lebron signing with them too :( :o
If it's true that Popovich would not trade a star in his own conference, then that probably would mean he's not Lakers bound. But could a team like MIL or Charlotte or NYK beat a rumored PHI offer for Leonard (Fultz, Saric + Salary + Pick)?
Or maybe Spurs and Kawhi settle their differences and Kawhi signs that $219M extension.
Fultz, Saric, etc for Leonard would be dismissed by Spurs. Garbage. Would have to include Simmons, and even that would be a risk for Spurs given his dreadful playoff performance so far. If you’re the Sixers you may deal Simmons for Leonard and hope that Fultz can get his act together to be your starting PG. Embiid, Leonard and a rehabilitated Fultz would be more competitive than current Philly lineup.
Taking it a step further, if Philly really wanted to get creative they could move Simmons + Fultz + Bayless to the Spurs for Kawhi (and maybe the Spurs include a future 1st) - which feels like an insane overpay...
And then they move Covington, Anderson, Furkan, Cabarrot in a salary dump and take back a pick or something - which also feels like a loss...
But then they have Kawhi (20 mil), Embiid (25 mil), Saric (2.5 mil) on the books and use their roughly 58 mil in cap space to just sign Paul George and LeBron on Durant-esque deals.
Bron, Kawhi, George, Saric, Embiid would make for an interesting core.
Or if it's too difficult to imagine Bron and George splitting that money, maybe old man Chris Paul is willing to take a discount.
PG - Paul, SG - Kawhi, SF - Bron, PF - Saric, C - Embiid
Who knows.
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For the people who think LeBron can't coexist with Ben Simmons, because they are both ball-dominant and Ben can't shoot...
If you're Philly why not just trade Ben Simmons + Covington for Kawhi and sign LeBron?
Overpay by Philly?
Probably true. They could probably get Kawhi for Fultz + Covington + #10.
But are we totally ruling out the idea of moving Simmons for the bigger picture? If they think Fultz can become the player they expected him to become, a line-up of PG - "Good" Fultz, SG - Kawhi, SF - LeBron, PF - Saric, C - Embiid... nasty.
I agree. If Lebron agreed to go to Philly, then a deal centered around Simmons/Covington for Kawhi would be great for both teams. I would be genuinely scared of Philly with an Embiid, Lebron, Kawhi core.
I can't imagine Fultz/Covington/#10 is going to be the best deal out there for Kawhi. I know Fultz still has some value, but he also has a lot of question marks. The main piece coming back for Kawhi has to be a guarantee.
Yeah. It's too early to write Fultz off - he might come back next year and play well enough. But at this moment his value is very low. He could easily be a total loss. Fultz, the tenth pick, and a role player is awfully light for Kawhi. Someone will offer more.
Possibly the market won't heat up too much because Kawhi has only a year left on his contract; he might let certain teams know he won't resign with them, which will hold down their offers. (I'm looking at you, Phoenix.) But I still think someone will offer more than Fultz, Covington, and the 10th pick.
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I think Paul George and Kawhi are going to LA perhaps. I think people may take a hard look and maybe not run to Philly after this series with us.
Also, Simmons and LeBron can't handle the ball at the same time. Ditto with Embiid.
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I think Paul George and Kawhi are going to LA perhaps. I think people may take a hard look and maybe not run to Philly after this series with us.
Also, Simmons and LeBron can't handle the ball at the same time. Ditto with Embiid.
What would Danny do? Probably sell high on both Simmons and Embiid.
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I think Paul George and Kawhi are going to LA perhaps. I think people may take a hard look and maybe not run to Philly after this series with us.
Also, Simmons and LeBron can't handle the ball at the same time. Ditto with Embiid.
I've been saying George, Leonard, Cousins to LA for a month now. Would make for a fun 2019 Celtics Lakers Finals ;D
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If LeBron joined Philadelphia it would make Simmons useless. Simmons can't shoot (play off the ball). Philly would definitely be better with LBJ but I wouldn't say we're doomed. They would have an odd lot of players and probably would lose their best shooter in Redick. I don't think it works and it makes Simmons a backup who probably becomes unhappy and hurts the team.
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If LeBron joined Philadelphia it would make Simmons useless. Simmons can't shoot (play off the ball). Philly would definitely be better with LBJ but I wouldn't say we're doomed. They would have an odd lot of players and probably would lose their best shooter in Redick. I don't think it works and it makes Simmons a backup who probably becomes unhappy and hurts the team.
That could be true, but what if they trade for Kawhi AND add Lebron? That would be bad for us even if Simmons' role was relegated.
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Lebron isnt going to Philly.
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I went from a semi-cap "expert" to an ignorant once the new CBA came out, haven't bothered to relearn crap.
But giving a quick look at their situation (and I mentioned this in another thread), I wonder what's going to happen to JJ Redick. And I mention JJ Redick in specific because they gave him a huge contract, which he has earned with the way he's contributing to this team. Much of their current success is resting on his shoulders.
Will they'll be able to add talent and keep him? Will he take a pay-cut? Philly has to land a legit all-star type of player to make up for what Redick is doing for them. So it'll be interesting.
And his a big-time long distance shooter, which is what this team needs around Simmons.
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we bring back IT to run the bench mob .....we destroy all opponents
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we bring back IT to run the bench ......we destroy all opponents
Or he destroys our bench. And our locker room.
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I think Paul George and Kawhi are going to LA perhaps. I think people may take a hard look and maybe not run to Philly after this series with us.
Also, Simmons and LeBron can't handle the ball at the same time. Ditto with Embiid.
thats the key.....Lebron is spoiled and must initiate every play , be in on most scoring plays . Simmons has no other skill but that . Another type of Rondo. Lebron can't co exist with somebody else running the team ...player or coach ......Embiid would fit with Lebron ...if Simmons is gone .
Simmons can't play on Lakers with Ball. There would be no job for him . Lebron might be able to use Ball like he did Kyrie , impose his will with Lavars blessing ...based on the dollars sign.
Simmons and Lebron at this point is an awful fit .
Lebron s selfish personality wanting to control everything , makes him a hard fit .....Alphas players and real coaches and GMs exsist on most teams he d want to play off.
Lebron built the situation around himself , he created a place that says yes to his every wish, a poor coach who is nothing but a figure head yes man.
It maybe Lebron has no other home but Cleveland , he may have painted himself into a corner in Cleveland.
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I went from a semi-cap "expert" to an ignorant once the new CBA came out, haven't bothered to relearn crap.
But giving a quick look at their situation (and I mentioned this in another thread), I wonder what's going to happen to JJ Redick. And I mention JJ Redick in specific because they gave him a huge contract, which he has earned with the way he's contributing to this team. Much of their current success is resting on his shoulders.
Will they'll be able to add talent and keep him? Will he take a pay-cut? Philly has to land a legit all-star type of player to make up for what Redick is doing for them. So it'll be interesting.
And his a big-time long distance shooter, which is what this team needs around Simmons.
Most PHI fans think Reddick is gone after this season UNLESS if they don't sign or trade for any stars (George, Lebron, Kawhi). With Embiid's extension kicking in, they have enough cap space for one max signing but nothing much after that, unless if Reddick is willing to sign for cheaper with an exception.
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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
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I went from a semi-cap "expert" to an ignorant once the new CBA came out, haven't bothered to relearn crap.
But giving a quick look at their situation (and I mentioned this in another thread), I wonder what's going to happen to JJ Redick. And I mention JJ Redick in specific because they gave him a huge contract, which he has earned with the way he's contributing to this team. Much of their current success is resting on his shoulders.
Will they'll be able to add talent and keep him? Will he take a pay-cut? Philly has to land a legit all-star type of player to make up for what Redick is doing for them. So it'll be interesting.
And his a big-time long distance shooter, which is what this team needs around Simmons.
Most PHI fans think Reddick is gone after this season UNLESS if they don't sign or trade for any stars (George, Lebron, Kawhi). With Embiid's extension kicking in, they have enough cap space for one max signing but nothing much after that, unless if Reddick is willing to sign for cheaper with an exception.
Thought I read somewhere that Redick interested in returning to Orlando.
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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.
I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.
And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.
I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.
And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
Line of inquiry. How much cap space is floating around this off season for teams to give that kind of dough to pros like these?
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We will beat the 6ers.
Then LBJ.
After that they can team up next year, so we don't have to spend 2 rounds on them.
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We will beat the 6ers.
Then LBJ.
After that they can team up next year, so we don't have to spend 2 rounds on them.
LOL excellent. TP.
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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.
I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.
And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.
I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.
And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players
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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.
I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.
And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players
No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.
And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".
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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.
I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.
And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players
No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.
And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".
Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.
Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.
Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.
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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.
I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.
And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players
No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.
And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".
Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.
Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.
Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.
I agree. But if you only think they are going to get $4.5 million in this upcoming cap crunch, why wouldn't Philly be able to afford that?
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Sixers have to gut their team to get Lebron and keep Simmons and Embiid. Replacing Simmons with Lebron and keeping some of the three-point shooters would fit Lebron better.
Lakers seem more likely as does staying put.
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Sixers have to gut their team to get Lebron and keep Simmons and Embiid. Replacing Simmons with Lebron and keeping some of the three-point shooters would fit Lebron better.
Lakers seem more likely as does staying put.
I find it hard to believe that after suffering through the toxic process, that philly would sacrifice so much for a 2 to 3 year window of possible contention. And during that time their youngsters would be growing into their abilities, not vets in their prime.
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Sixers have to gut their team to get Lebron and keep Simmons and Embiid. Replacing Simmons with Lebron and keeping some of the three-point shooters would fit Lebron better.
Lakers seem more likely as does staying put.
No they wouldn't. To create room for a max free agent, they only have to move Bayless' contract and let their free agents go (Redick, Johnson, Belinelli, and Ilyasova). They would return Embiid, Simmons, Saric, Covington, Fultz, McConnell, Holmes, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Anderson, and Korkmaz. They would also have both their 1st round picks this year (unless they had to move any of them to unload Bayless).
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Until we beat Lebron in a playoffs series, we're doomed no matter where he is in the East. Gotta prove it first.
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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.
I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.
And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players
No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.
And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".
Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.
Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.
Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.
I agree. But if you only think they are going to get $4.5 million in this upcoming cap crunch, why wouldn't Philly be able to afford that?
They could afford one room exception after signing Lebron but my point was that Philly wouldn't have the $ to bring back all three because they would only have that one exception to use and the other players wouldn't be back because they are worth more than a vet min. The Sixers if they sign Lebron need to have a bunch of 3 point shooters to surround Embiid, Fultz, Simmons and Lebron because the best part of all 4 of those players games are playing inside. They are going to have to have three pointer shooters to make that team a true contender.
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I think people are not taking into account the market size and media availability in Philly. Do they make movies there, nope only Rocky ones. So I think LeBron who wants to be bigger than Jordan is going to go to Philly? That is pretty funny...
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I think people are not taking into account the market size and media availability in Philly. Do they make movies there, nope only Rocky ones. So I think LeBron who wants to be bigger than Jordan is going to go to Philly? That is pretty funny...
Maybe LeBron wants to feature in a Creed sequel
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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.
I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.
And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players
No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.
And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".
Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.
Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.
Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.
I agree. But if you only think they are going to get $4.5 million in this upcoming cap crunch, why wouldn't Philly be able to afford that?
They could afford one room exception after signing Lebron but my point was that Philly wouldn't have the $ to bring back all three because they would only have that one exception to use and the other players wouldn't be back because they are worth more than a vet min. The Sixers if they sign Lebron need to have a bunch of 3 point shooters to surround Embiid, Fultz, Simmons and Lebron because the best part of all 4 of those players games are playing inside. They are going to have to have three pointer shooters to make that team a true contender.
So you don't think Belinelli/Fultz, Covington, Lebron, Simmons, and Embiid would work? If not, then I think you might just not like Lebron's fit with Simmons (which I don't either). Because the shooting of Belinelli/Covington/Embiid next to them is really solid.
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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.
I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.
And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players
No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.
And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".
Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.
Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.
Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.
I agree. But if you only think they are going to get $4.5 million in this upcoming cap crunch, why wouldn't Philly be able to afford that?
They could afford one room exception after signing Lebron but my point was that Philly wouldn't have the $ to bring back all three because they would only have that one exception to use and the other players wouldn't be back because they are worth more than a vet min. The Sixers if they sign Lebron need to have a bunch of 3 point shooters to surround Embiid, Fultz, Simmons and Lebron because the best part of all 4 of those players games are playing inside. They are going to have to have three pointer shooters to make that team a true contender.
So you don't think Belinelli/Fultz, Covington, Lebron, Simmons, and Embiid would work? If not, then I think you might just not like Lebron's fit with Simmons (which I don't either). Because the shooting of Belinelli/Covington/Embiid next to them is really solid.
Nope, not sold on Covington as anything more than a very average three point shooter. Not sold on the fact they should be expecting 4-5+ 3pta from Embiid, that's just bad coaching. Belinelli is just one 3 pt specialist. They need more.
And I hate the Lebron/Fultz/Simmons dynamic. They all need the ball. They all need people spacing the floor for them to be at their best, and only Lebron isn't terrified of taking a shot outside of 6'
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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.
I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.
And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players
No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.
And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".
Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.
Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.
Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.
I agree. But if you only think they are going to get $4.5 million in this upcoming cap crunch, why wouldn't Philly be able to afford that?
They could afford one room exception after signing Lebron but my point was that Philly wouldn't have the $ to bring back all three because they would only have that one exception to use and the other players wouldn't be back because they are worth more than a vet min. The Sixers if they sign Lebron need to have a bunch of 3 point shooters to surround Embiid, Fultz, Simmons and Lebron because the best part of all 4 of those players games are playing inside. They are going to have to have three pointer shooters to make that team a true contender.
So you don't think Belinelli/Fultz, Covington, Lebron, Simmons, and Embiid would work? If not, then I think you might just not like Lebron's fit with Simmons (which I don't either). Because the shooting of Belinelli/Covington/Embiid next to them is really solid.
Nope, not sold on Covington as anything more than a very average three point shooter. Not sold on the fact they should be expecting 4-5+ 3pta from Embiid, that's just bad coaching. Belinelli is just one 3 pt specialist. They need more.
And I hate the Lebron/Fultz/Lebron dynamic. Thet all need the ball. They all need people spacing the floor for them to be at their best, and only Lebron isn't terrified of taking a shot outside of 6'
Agree. Covington shoots mid 30%, and Embiid is a shade under 1/3 from deep. Not too deadly.
I would love to see LeBron, Fultz and Simmons all flounder though
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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.
I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.
And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players
No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.
And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".
Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.
Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.
Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.
I agree. But if you only think they are going to get $4.5 million in this upcoming cap crunch, why wouldn't Philly be able to afford that?
They could afford one room exception after signing Lebron but my point was that Philly wouldn't have the $ to bring back all three because they would only have that one exception to use and the other players wouldn't be back because they are worth more than a vet min. The Sixers if they sign Lebron need to have a bunch of 3 point shooters to surround Embiid, Fultz, Simmons and Lebron because the best part of all 4 of those players games are playing inside. They are going to have to have three pointer shooters to make that team a true contender.
So you don't think Belinelli/Fultz, Covington, Lebron, Simmons, and Embiid would work? If not, then I think you might just not like Lebron's fit with Simmons (which I don't either). Because the shooting of Belinelli/Covington/Embiid next to them is really solid.
Nope, not sold on Covington as anything more than a very average three point shooter. Not sold on the fact they should be expecting 4-5+ 3pta from Embiid, that's just bad coaching. Belinelli is just one 3 pt specialist. They need more.
And I hate the Lebron/Fultz/Simmons dynamic. They all need the ball. They all need people spacing the floor for them to be at their best, and only Lebron isn't terrified of taking a shot outside of 6'
So you don't like the fit between Lebron and Simmons, and to a lesser extent Fultz. There we go. The reason they would fail wouldn't be the devastating loss of Ersan Ilyasova, it would be because their core players won't mesh together.
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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.
I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.
And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players
No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.
And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".
Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.
Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.
Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.
I agree. But if you only think they are going to get $4.5 million in this upcoming cap crunch, why wouldn't Philly be able to afford that?
They could afford one room exception after signing Lebron but my point was that Philly wouldn't have the $ to bring back all three because they would only have that one exception to use and the other players wouldn't be back because they are worth more than a vet min. The Sixers if they sign Lebron need to have a bunch of 3 point shooters to surround Embiid, Fultz, Simmons and Lebron because the best part of all 4 of those players games are playing inside. They are going to have to have three pointer shooters to make that team a true contender.
So you don't think Belinelli/Fultz, Covington, Lebron, Simmons, and Embiid would work? If not, then I think you might just not like Lebron's fit with Simmons (which I don't either). Because the shooting of Belinelli/Covington/Embiid next to them is really solid.
Nope, not sold on Covington as anything more than a very average three point shooter. Not sold on the fact they should be expecting 4-5+ 3pta from Embiid, that's just bad coaching. Belinelli is just one 3 pt specialist. They need more.
And I hate the Lebron/Fultz/Simmons dynamic. They all need the ball. They all need people spacing the floor for them to be at their best, and only Lebron isn't terrified of taking a shot outside of 6'
So you don't like the fit between Lebron and Simmons, and to a lesser extent Fultz. There we go. The reason they would fail wouldn't be the devastating loss of Ersan Ilyasova, it would be because their core players won't mesh together.
Now this is you jumping to poor conclusions and twisting things just to prove you are right...somehow....I guess!!
I said the the Fultz, Simmons, Lebron, Embiiddynamic was one I didn't like, but just because I don't like it and think it means you have to add 3 3 point shooters to make it work, doesn't mean it can't possibly work. I said so myself
If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender.
So, no, I am not dooming that group as a failure due to their poor fit but because its a grouping that requires a bunch of three point shooters be a part of the mixture.
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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.
I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.
And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players
No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.
And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".
Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.
Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.
Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.
I agree. But if you only think they are going to get $4.5 million in this upcoming cap crunch, why wouldn't Philly be able to afford that?
They could afford one room exception after signing Lebron but my point was that Philly wouldn't have the $ to bring back all three because they would only have that one exception to use and the other players wouldn't be back because they are worth more than a vet min. The Sixers if they sign Lebron need to have a bunch of 3 point shooters to surround Embiid, Fultz, Simmons and Lebron because the best part of all 4 of those players games are playing inside. They are going to have to have three pointer shooters to make that team a true contender.
So you don't think Belinelli/Fultz, Covington, Lebron, Simmons, and Embiid would work? If not, then I think you might just not like Lebron's fit with Simmons (which I don't either). Because the shooting of Belinelli/Covington/Embiid next to them is really solid.
Nope, not sold on Covington as anything more than a very average three point shooter. Not sold on the fact they should be expecting 4-5+ 3pta from Embiid, that's just bad coaching. Belinelli is just one 3 pt specialist. They need more.
And I hate the Lebron/Fultz/Simmons dynamic. They all need the ball. They all need people spacing the floor for them to be at their best, and only Lebron isn't terrified of taking a shot outside of 6'
So you don't like the fit between Lebron and Simmons, and to a lesser extent Fultz. There we go. The reason they would fail wouldn't be the devastating loss of Ersan Ilyasova, it would be because their core players won't mesh together.
Now this is you jumping to poor conclusions and twisting things just to prove you are right...somehow....I guess!!
I said the the Fultz, Simmons, Lebron, Embiiddynamic was one I didn't like, but just because I don't like it and think it means you have to add 3 3 point shooters to make it work, doesn't mean it can't possibly work. I said so myself
If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender.
So, no, I am not dooming that group as a failure due to their poor fit but because its a grouping that requires a bunch of three point shooters be a part of the mixture.
Which they will be able to do, given they have Covingtion and Embiid, can bring back Belinelli, they have the 10th pick in the draft (Mikal Bridges?) etc. Your stance simple doesn't make sense. You can't say you "hate the Lebron/Fultz/Simmons dynamic" but then say it will only work with shooters, only to say it won't work when I give you a scenario where they have shooters. :o
Any yeah, I really "twisted" things by bolding your exact words. Lol.
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I don't see Lebron leaving Cleveland. They're getting a better pick than Philly to get an impact player and the legacy of setting up your hometown+original team's future after winning them a ring is way too attractive for Bron to leave until he gets to his mid late 30s. We should worry about Philly signing Paul George to slot in at SG to combat our wing advantage next year. We'll still have an advantage but we'd need to really run them off the floor (better quality depth when healthy) and take advantage of their PG position being raw or just not as talented (Fultz/TJ).
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We should worry about Philly signing Paul George to slot in at SG to combat our wing advantage next year.
The guy who is from LA and crumbles every playoff. That does not scare me.
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I don't see Lebron leaving Cleveland. They're getting a better pick than Philly to get an impact player and the legacy of setting up your hometown+original team's future after winning them a ring is way too attractive for Bron to leave until he gets to his mid late 30s. We should worry about Philly signing Paul George to slot in at SG to combat our wing advantage next year. We'll still have an advantage but we'd need to really run them off the floor (better quality depth when healthy) and take advantage of their PG position being raw or just not as talented (Fultz/TJ).
I am okay with Philly getting PG (I don't think they will). First of all, he isn't Lebron, but I also think the loss of Redick is underrated. Obviously PG is a very good player, but simply as an off-screen catch and shoot 3-pt shooter, he isn't quite as good as Redick.
We also have Hayward coming back which should neutralize a PG signing (and Kyrie should easily put us over the top). A Lebron signing or a Kawhi trade where Philly doesn't give up major pieces is a much scarier scenario for me. A Lebron signing and a Kawhi trade would be downright unfair.
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I don't see Lebron leaving Cleveland. They're getting a better pick than Philly to get an impact player and the legacy of setting up your hometown+original team's future after winning them a ring is way too attractive for Bron to leave until he gets to his mid late 30s. We should worry about Philly signing Paul George to slot in at SG to combat our wing advantage next year. We'll still have an advantage but we'd need to really run them off the floor (better quality depth when healthy) and take advantage of their PG position being raw or just not as talented (Fultz/TJ).
I think if Cleveland gets embarrassed in the finals this year he has to think about it. The only two assets they really have are K.love and the Brooklyn pick. Is that enough to get them an impact player? and a player to get them over the top? Philly/Celts will only be better next year.
I dont see Lebron going to Philly though. Simmons cant coexist with Lebron. they would have to trade him. Simmons needs the ball in his hands to be effective. the celtics essentially have shut him down by taking the ball out of his hands and making him sit at the perimeter where he cant shoot.
I'm not too worried about philly getting someone like paul george. Essentially the celtics are adding Kyrie Irving/Hayward to this squad which is > just paul george
Kyrie/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford > Simmons/Paul george/embiid
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Be Simmons is a poor mans Lebron so why would he want to go to a team that has someone similar to him? He needs shooters around him and he wants to dominate the ball, makes no sense at all!
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Philly is not a big enough town for James. It will be LA. His producing career, house out there, connections after basketball....it will be a move to set up his next part of his life.
Going to Philly offers him zero.
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Another thing to consider is Embiid's injury history.
To his credit, he's been relatively healthy this season (though still missed about 20 games, including two playoff games), but god forbid if he suffers another major injury, that could seriously impact the rest of his NBA career (though he's still getting handsomely paid). And lets be honest, he IS the process.
Also, no one knows what to expect out of Fultz.
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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.
I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.
And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players
No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.
And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".
Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.
Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.
Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.
I agree. But if you only think they are going to get $4.5 million in this upcoming cap crunch, why wouldn't Philly be able to afford that?
They could afford one room exception after signing Lebron but my point was that Philly wouldn't have the $ to bring back all three because they would only have that one exception to use and the other players wouldn't be back because they are worth more than a vet min. The Sixers if they sign Lebron need to have a bunch of 3 point shooters to surround Embiid, Fultz, Simmons and Lebron because the best part of all 4 of those players games are playing inside. They are going to have to have three pointer shooters to make that team a true contender.
So you don't think Belinelli/Fultz, Covington, Lebron, Simmons, and Embiid would work? If not, then I think you might just not like Lebron's fit with Simmons (which I don't either). Because the shooting of Belinelli/Covington/Embiid next to them is really solid.
Nope, not sold on Covington as anything more than a very average three point shooter. Not sold on the fact they should be expecting 4-5+ 3pta from Embiid, that's just bad coaching. Belinelli is just one 3 pt specialist. They need more.
And I hate the Lebron/Fultz/Simmons dynamic. They all need the ball. They all need people spacing the floor for them to be at their best, and only Lebron isn't terrified of taking a shot outside of 6'
So you don't like the fit between Lebron and Simmons, and to a lesser extent Fultz. There we go. The reason they would fail wouldn't be the devastating loss of Ersan Ilyasova, it would be because their core players won't mesh together.
Now this is you jumping to poor conclusions and twisting things just to prove you are right...somehow....I guess!!
I said the the Fultz, Simmons, Lebron, Embiiddynamic was one I didn't like, but just because I don't like it and think it means you have to add 3 3 point shooters to make it work, doesn't mean it can't possibly work. I said so myself
If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender.
So, no, I am not dooming that group as a failure due to their poor fit but because its a grouping that requires a bunch of three point shooters be a part of the mixture.
Which they will be able to do, given they have Covingtion and Embiid, can bring back Belinelli, they have the 10th pick in the draft (Mikal Bridges?) etc. Your stance simple doesn't make sense. You can't say you "hate the Lebron/Fultz/Simmons dynamic" but then say it will only work with shooters, only to say it won't work when I give you a scenario where they have shooters. :o
Any yeah, I really "twisted" things by bolding your exact words. Lol.
As I said earlier, and apparently have to repeat once again, I don't consider Embiid and Covington as three point shooters. Embiid shot less than 31% this year and is at 32.7% for his career. That's bad. Covington over the last 3 years is averaging about 35%. That's less than average. Not good. New draft picks don't usually come out as 40% 3 point shooters.
So Philly really hasn't surrounded Embiid, Lebron, Fultz and Simmons with three point shooters and so will have problems, IMO.
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Okay, so officially we have to hope NONE of these three happen:
(1) Lebron signs with Philadelphia
(2) Lebron signs with Philadelphia AND PHI trades for Kawhi Leonard
(3) George signs with Philadelphia AND PHI trades for Kawhi Leonard
Now Lebron + George likely can't happen because PHI only has enough for 1 max slot and both are FA's seeking max deals (and a sign and trade for either would probably gut virtually their entire bench/Euro depth lol)
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I think Lebron will only really consider Cleveland, rockets and lakers. I read an article that the lakers are 1:2 to get George. You bet a dollar on him going there and you get 50 cents back
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I think Lebron will only really consider Cleveland, rockets and lakers. I read an article that the lakers are 1:2 to get George. You bet a dollar on him going there and you get 50 cents back
Do the Lakers have enough cap space to sign both? Would have to decline matching Randle offer.
Signings make sense if they can trade assets to get Kawhi too. Would have to include Ingram to make it worthwhile for Spurs.
Lebron wouldn’t sign unless all the pieces come together.
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There is no chance LeBron signs with Philadelphia...none.
He can't sell it to his fans in Cleveland. You're crazy if you think the criticism he took for leaving to Miami didn't effect him. It would impact anyone...but if you're someone who's been told you're the greatest since you were 11 and in an instant transformed into the NBA #1 villain...
Cleveland fans will only accept a departure if they believe he's doing what's best for his family or his post-NBA career (and even then...). He got them a championship....now if he goes to Cali to a not great team to further LeBron Incorporated....they won't like it, but they'll accept it and still love him.
If he leaves the dump that is the city of Cleveland for the dump that is the city of Philadelphia just because he's ring-chasing...then he's going to get murdered. Everyone will be quick to point out that he's leaving the Cavs in ruin mostly because they did everything he wanted...now he gets to go ring chase Jordan with some up and coming team he hasn't yet destroyed...that will not go well.
He either stays in his kingdom in Cleveland or he makes a "post-NBA" move to California or New York. He's not going to Philly...he's not going to Houston either for the same reason.
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I think Lebron will only really consider Cleveland, rockets and lakers. I read an article that the lakers are 1:2 to get George. You bet a dollar on him going there and you get 50 cents back
Do the Lakers have enough cap space to sign both? Would have to decline matching Randle offer.
Signings make sense if they can trade assets to get Kawhi too. Would have to include Ingram to make it worthwhile for Spurs.
Lebron wouldn’t sign unless all the pieces come together.
Last thing I want to see in LakerLand is them forming a Big 3 of LeBron/Paul George/Kawhi Leonard.
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I think Lebron will only really consider Cleveland, rockets and lakers. I read an article that the lakers are 1:2 to get George. You bet a dollar on him going there and you get 50 cents back
Yeah Bovada has trash odds.
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I think Lebron will only really consider Cleveland, rockets and lakers. I read an article that the lakers are 1:2 to get George. You bet a dollar on him going there and you get 50 cents back
Do the Lakers have enough cap space to sign both? Would have to decline matching Randle offer.
Signings make sense if they can trade assets to get Kawhi too. Would have to include Ingram to make it worthwhile for Spurs.
Lebron wouldn’t sign unless all the pieces come together.
I find it hard to believe the Lakers can get Kawhi for basically just Ingram. Certainly Lonzo or Kuzma has to be included in the deal.
And yeah, they say good bye to Randle for sure and some of their other FA's (like Isaiah).
But Magic will do it if it means George and Lebron are coming. They just got to hope they can fill out a bench after all those moves.
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I hope he joins the Seventy-Stinkers!!!!
Then I can doubly enjoy beating him/them!!!
I never liked Philly since their Warrior days. And then through the 60s-80s....don't like Philly pro teams.
I never disliked and won't post Bron Bron the poor Cavs.
It's him I dislike
Now we get a two'fer..
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It would be kind of fun to see him go to Philly and of course have Ben Simmons force a trade...
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we just sign Leonard then
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we just sign Leonard then
With what cap space? We can barely afford to keep Rozier and Smart, never mind sign a max free agent
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https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/17/17364284/lebron-james-free-agency-2018-mercenary
If I were the Sixers, I’d push hard for Kawhi Leonard, who’s spent time rehabbing in New York under the care of Dr. Jonathan Glashow, the 76ers’ chief medical officer. If the Sixers went all in with a monster trade package headlined by Markelle Fultz, Dario Saric, Robert Covington, the no. 10 pick, draft-and-stashes, and Jerryd Bayless’s salary, they could theoretically have a Big Three with Embiid, Simmons, and Leonard, and still retain max cap space to sign James if J.J. Redick agreed to a deal worth less than $10 million annually. If Philly can get assurances of both Leonard’s health—Glashow must know—and James’s interest in joining the team, then that admittedly rich trade package is reasonable. Their lineup of Embiid, Simmons, James, Leonard, and Redick would be outrageous, and so lethal with its blend of size and skill that even the Warriors would have a hard time matching up with their frontcourt of Durant and Draymond Green.
1. I doubt Reddick re-signs for less than 10M a year to be honest
2. How does PHI's bench look after that trade and letting all those other guys walk to fit them in?
But yeah, that would be scary. Even with us returning Kyrie and Hayward, that PHI Big 4 could overwhelm us.
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https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/17/17364284/lebron-james-free-agency-2018-mercenary
If I were the Sixers, I’d push hard for Kawhi Leonard, who’s spent time rehabbing in New York under the care of Dr. Jonathan Glashow, the 76ers’ chief medical officer. If the Sixers went all in with a monster trade package headlined by Markelle Fultz, Dario Saric, Robert Covington, the no. 10 pick, draft-and-stashes, and Jerryd Bayless’s salary, they could theoretically have a Big Three with Embiid, Simmons, and Leonard, and still retain max cap space to sign James if J.J. Redick agreed to a deal worth less than $10 million annually. If Philly can get assurances of both Leonard’s health—Glashow must know—and James’s interest in joining the team, then that admittedly rich trade package is reasonable. Their lineup of Embiid, Simmons, James, Leonard, and Redick would be outrageous, and so lethal with its blend of size and skill that even the Warriors would have a hard time matching up with their frontcourt of Durant and Draymond Green.
1. I doubt Reddick re-signs for less than 10M a year to be honest
2. How does PHI's bench look after that trade and letting all those other guys walk to fit them in?
But yeah, that would be scary. Even with us returning Kyrie and Hayward, that PHI Big 4 could overwhelm us.
I must be missing something with that proposed trade offer. Markelle Fultz has virtually no trade value, as an outside team would see him as a bust. Until he proves he can play and shoot during actual games, I wouldn't trust him. You also have to take into account, would another trade revert him back to that fragile mental state where it effects his shooting. Saric and Covington are both good players, but don't move the needle when your talking about a superstar player. Also, the draft isn't that deep, where the 10th pick has that much trade value either.
Didn't a San Antonio beat writer propose a trade of Tatum, Brown, and the Lakers pick? To put that in perspective for Philly, it would be like trading Simmons and Embiid. Now I know a team trading a superstar player never gets equal value back in return, but the trade proposed in that article is a low ball offer.
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https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/17/17364284/lebron-james-free-agency-2018-mercenary
If I were the Sixers, I’d push hard for Kawhi Leonard, who’s spent time rehabbing in New York under the care of Dr. Jonathan Glashow, the 76ers’ chief medical officer. If the Sixers went all in with a monster trade package headlined by Markelle Fultz, Dario Saric, Robert Covington, the no. 10 pick, draft-and-stashes, and Jerryd Bayless’s salary, they could theoretically have a Big Three with Embiid, Simmons, and Leonard, and still retain max cap space to sign James if J.J. Redick agreed to a deal worth less than $10 million annually. If Philly can get assurances of both Leonard’s health—Glashow must know—and James’s interest in joining the team, then that admittedly rich trade package is reasonable. Their lineup of Embiid, Simmons, James, Leonard, and Redick would be outrageous, and so lethal with its blend of size and skill that even the Warriors would have a hard time matching up with their frontcourt of Durant and Draymond Green.
1. I doubt Reddick re-signs for less than 10M a year to be honest
2. How does PHI's bench look after that trade and letting all those other guys walk to fit them in?
But yeah, that would be scary. Even with us returning Kyrie and Hayward, that PHI Big 4 could overwhelm us.
I must be missing something with that proposed trade offer. Markelle Fultz has virtually no trade value, as an outside team would see him as a bust. Until he proves he can play and shoot during actual games, I wouldn't trust him. You also have to take into account, would another trade revert him back to that fragile mental state where it effects his shooting. Saric and Covington are both good players, but don't move the needle when your talking about a superstar player. Also, the draft isn't that deep, where the 10th pick has that much trade value either.
Didn't a San Antonio beat writer propose a trade of Tatum, Brown, and the Lakers pick? To put that in perspective for Philly, it would be like trading Simmons and Embiid. Now I know a team trading a superstar player never gets equal value back in return, but the trade proposed in that article is a low ball offer.
Yeah, that is an offer Buford laughs at. Weak lotto pick, a guy who's proven nothing and two role players. SAS would demand Simmons or not move him
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https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/17/17364284/lebron-james-free-agency-2018-mercenary
If I were the Sixers, I’d push hard for Kawhi Leonard, who’s spent time rehabbing in New York under the care of Dr. Jonathan Glashow, the 76ers’ chief medical officer. If the Sixers went all in with a monster trade package headlined by Markelle Fultz, Dario Saric, Robert Covington, the no. 10 pick, draft-and-stashes, and Jerryd Bayless’s salary, they could theoretically have a Big Three with Embiid, Simmons, and Leonard, and still retain max cap space to sign James if J.J. Redick agreed to a deal worth less than $10 million annually. If Philly can get assurances of both Leonard’s health—Glashow must know—and James’s interest in joining the team, then that admittedly rich trade package is reasonable. Their lineup of Embiid, Simmons, James, Leonard, and Redick would be outrageous, and so lethal with its blend of size and skill that even the Warriors would have a hard time matching up with their frontcourt of Durant and Draymond Green.
1. I doubt Reddick re-signs for less than 10M a year to be honest
2. How does PHI's bench look after that trade and letting all those other guys walk to fit them in?
But yeah, that would be scary. Even with us returning Kyrie and Hayward, that PHI Big 4 could overwhelm us.
I must be missing something with that proposed trade offer. Markelle Fultz has virtually no trade value, as an outside team would see him as a bust. Until he proves he can play and shoot during actual games, I wouldn't trust him. You also have to take into account, would another trade revert him back to that fragile mental state where it effects his shooting. Saric and Covington are both good players, but don't move the needle when your talking about a superstar player. Also, the draft isn't that deep, where the 10th pick has that much trade value either.
Didn't a San Antonio beat writer propose a trade of Tatum, Brown, and the Lakers pick? To put that in perspective for Philly, it would be like trading Simmons and Embiid. Now I know a team trading a superstar player never gets equal value back in return, but the trade proposed in that article is a low ball offer.
Yeah, that is an offer Buford laughs at. Weak lotto pick, a guy who's proven nothing and two role players. SAS would demand Simmons or not move him
It's actually funny, because if you go to Liberty Ballers or Sixers Reddit, most of them seem to think Fultz, Bayless, smaller piece (not Saric or Covington) and #10 gets them Kawhi. They don't think the Sixers should give up Saric and/or Covington and they still think that offer is good enough :P
Yeah... good luck with that. If LAL offers up an Ingram in a bigger package, then PHI won't get Kawhi with that package.
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You guys are nuts thinking Fultz doesn't have any value (or virtually no value).
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I think LeBron goes to Houston next season.
Philly and the Lakers have cap space and lots of good young players, but I don't think LeBron wants to babysit at this point in his career.
Houston, on the other hand, has some star veteran players, and my understanding is that LeBron is chummy with Paul, and they're likely not even going to make the Finals this season, so LeBron could easily be the guy who finally puts them over the top. Plus, I can't imagine anything else more appropriate for cementing his legacy (other than changing teams yet again :P) than going to the stronger conference and winning a title.
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You guys are nuts thinking Fultz doesn't have any value (or virtually no value).
There can be a difference between having potential to be a good player and being really difficult to trade. Teams really don't know what is going on with fultz. He definitely had some sort of mental issues going on with his shots at some point in the year. His on court basketball contributions in college consists of 25 games (and half of of them were against yale, cal st fullerton, northern arizona, western kentucky, long beach state, cal poly, western michigan, seattle, washingston state, oregon state etc). Didn't get to see him play in the conference tournament or a postseason tournament of any sort. His play in the NBA largely consisted against lottery teams in a time of unprecedented pranking. People were going nuts he had a triple double in a game the Bucks played their backups on a night Josh Hart had 30, Dillon Brooks had 36 and Alex Peters had 36. Then he can't crack the playoff rotation in a series the 76ers definitely needed someone that could create their shot off the dribble, it is really hard to figure out what the guy is, what the guy has going on between the ears etc. He is getting the highest possible rookie contract scale making 8 million dollars, 10 million and then 12 million the next 3 years. Its definitely not a slam dunk that he becomes a star and maybe he really does have some head issues. I can see many many teams deciding it is not worth the risk to trade a star like leonard for him. What is so nuts about that? Even his own team's fans acknowledge he is a complete unknown...
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You guys are nuts thinking Fultz doesn't have any value (or virtually no value).
He has value.
But I highly doubt you can get Kawhi or another proven star if Fultz is the primary asset in the trade package. He's still a relative unknown at this point. Even Sixers fans say the same and wonder what his role will be for years to come.
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You guys are nuts thinking Fultz doesn't have any value (or virtually no value).
There can be a difference between having potential to be a good player and being really difficult to trade. Teams really don't know what is going on with fultz. He definitely had some sort of mental issues going on with his shots at some point in the year. His on court basketball contributions in college consists of 25 games (and half of of them were against yale, cal st fullerton, northern arizona, western kentucky, long beach state, cal poly, western michigan, seattle, washingston state, oregon state etc). Didn't get to see him play in the conference tournament or a postseason tournament of any sort. His play in the NBA largely consisted against lottery teams in a time of unprecedented pranking. People were going nuts he had a triple double in a game the Bucks played their backups on a night Josh Hart had 30, Dillon Brooks had 36 and Alex Peters had 36. Then he can't crack the playoff rotation in a series the 76ers definitely needed someone that could create their shot off the dribble, it is really hard to figure out what the guy is, what the guy has going on between the ears etc. He is getting the highest possible rookie contract scale making 8 million dollars, 10 million and then 12 million the next 3 years. Its definitely not a slam dunk that he becomes a star and maybe he really does have some head issues. I can see many many teams deciding it is not worth the risk to trade a star like leonard for him. What is so nuts about that? Even his own team's fans acknowledge he is a complete unknown...
Except that is wasn't was said in this thread and the trade package being discussed included a lot more than Fultz.
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You guys are nuts thinking Fultz doesn't have any value (or virtually no value).
He has value.
But I highly doubt you can get Kawhi or another proven star if Fultz is the primary asset in the trade package. He's still a relative unknown at this point. Even Sixers fans say the same and wonder what his role will be for years to come.
But he wasn't the primary asset in the trade package in this thread. Saric, Covington, Fultz, and 10 is a pretty solid package overall. Obviously teams, like Boston, could beat that offer, but that isn't some crap offer either.
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You guys are nuts thinking Fultz doesn't have any value (or virtually no value).
He has value.
But I highly doubt you can get Kawhi or another proven star if Fultz is the primary asset in the trade package. He's still a relative unknown at this point. Even Sixers fans say the same and wonder what his role will be for years to come.
But he wasn't the primary asset in the trade package in this thread. Saric, Covington, Fultz, and 10 is a pretty solid package overall. Obviously teams, like Boston, could beat that offer, but that isn't some crap offer either.
But it isn't a great offer either.
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You guys are nuts thinking Fultz doesn't have any value (or virtually no value).
If given the option between Fultz and Shane Larkin, I'm sorry but I'm taking Larkin. At least I know Larkin can get on the court and play.
Your completely dismissing the mental factor that some athletes never overcome. Two baseball players that come to mind are Chuck Knoblauch (a second baseman who suddenly couldn't throw to first base) and Rick Ankiel (a projected elite pitcher who suddenly couldn't throw a pitch). If it could happen to them, among other athletes, then I don't see why this may not be a similar case. He needs to prove on the court that he can play. Even Philadelphia didn't trust him enough to play him in the playoffs.
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Futlz 'can' be a great player but he is more of a bust now.
Low IQ, immature, injury prone, lack of fight, can't shoot...there is just too many red flags
Saric is just a starter/6th man with low upside, 10th pick isn't really that much value
Sac pick alone will be more valuable than that offer
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You guys are nuts thinking Fultz doesn't have any value (or virtually no value).
He has value.
But I highly doubt you can get Kawhi or another proven star if Fultz is the primary asset in the trade package. He's still a relative unknown at this point. Even Sixers fans say the same and wonder what his role will be for years to come.
But he wasn't the primary asset in the trade package in this thread. Saric, Covington, Fultz, and 10 is a pretty solid package overall. Obviously teams, like Boston, could beat that offer, but that isn't some crap offer either.
But it isn't a great offer either.
You're not going to get a great offer for a disgruntled star with 1 year left on his contract who is still recovering from a major injury. PG, Cousins and Butler trades weren't considered great offers when those trades were made either.
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You guys are nuts thinking Fultz doesn't have any value (or virtually no value).
He has value.
But I highly doubt you can get Kawhi or another proven star if Fultz is the primary asset in the trade package. He's still a relative unknown at this point. Even Sixers fans say the same and wonder what his role will be for years to come.
But he wasn't the primary asset in the trade package in this thread. Saric, Covington, Fultz, and 10 is a pretty solid package overall. Obviously teams, like Boston, could beat that offer, but that isn't some crap offer either.
But it isn't a great offer either.
You're not going to get a great offer for a disgruntled star with 1 year left on his contract who is still recovering from a major injury. PG, Cousins and Butler trades weren't considered great offers when those trades were made either.
That is probably true of the cousins trade, but I think the butler haul was pretty good. Lavine was 22 coming off a season he averaged 19 points, Dunn was a year removed from being a highly coveted player and the 7th pick was not terrible. Saric, despite the enfatuation of a vocal few on this board, is a 24 year old role player. The 10th pick is ok if you really love someone that falls, but probably doesn't have a ton of value pre-draft. It is not a horrible package, but i just don't see what it does for the spurs. They are blowing up a perennial contender to build around a headcase that maybe can't shoot, a role player, Murray and the 10th pic? What does that get them? to be a bottom 15 team indefinitely?
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Ill also add the lengths that people on this board go through to dream up ways of helping philly and imagine ways they could be quite great are quite humorous. I can't imagine what this board would be like if we had lost to them. Honestly.
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You guys are nuts thinking Fultz doesn't have any value (or virtually no value).
He has value.
But I highly doubt you can get Kawhi or another proven star if Fultz is the primary asset in the trade package. He's still a relative unknown at this point. Even Sixers fans say the same and wonder what his role will be for years to come.
But he wasn't the primary asset in the trade package in this thread. Saric, Covington, Fultz, and 10 is a pretty solid package overall. Obviously teams, like Boston, could beat that offer, but that isn't some crap offer either.
When did I ever say it was?
I just recently posted that those in Liberty Ballers and Sixers Reddit (just browsing as I don't have Reddit) suggest Fultz, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Bayless (salary), #10 could "easily" get it done and it's not worth adding Saric and/or Covington to the package. In that (bad) idea, Fultz IS the primary asset.
But I agree Fultz, Saric, Covington + #10 is a solid offer. I just don't think it's enough if Lakers offer Ingram + Assets, or if MIL trade Middleton + Brogdon/Maker in a package.
Boston isn't making an offer though so PHI don't have to worry about them.
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You guys are nuts thinking Fultz doesn't have any value (or virtually no value).
I think his value is lower than what you think, too.
No, we will not be doomed. I think we will beat them with Kyrie and Hayward back. All the tanking and losing has left them with some flawed young guys who have a lot of talent but do not know how to win in the post season. At the most LeBron would help them for a year or two and you can see him getting tired now. That is not going to get better as he ages.
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Ill also add the lengths that people on this board go through to dream up ways of helping philly and imagine ways they could be quite great are quite humorous. I can't imagine what this board would be like if we had lost to them. Honestly.
some posters seem to be obsessed with how Philly built their team for some reason. Either way, the celtics "process" seems to be much further along than the sixers..
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Ill also add the lengths that people on this board go through to dream up ways of helping philly and imagine ways they could be quite great are quite humorous. I can't imagine what this board would be like if we had lost to them. Honestly.
You mean like your bro, LarBird, who seem to lose interest in posting here as soon as his Sixers are eliminated?
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You guys are nuts thinking Fultz doesn't have any value (or virtually no value).
No, not no value. But not enough to entice a Kawhi trade with Spurs.
That is nuts.
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Ill also add the lengths that people on this board go through to dream up ways of helping philly and imagine ways they could be quite great are quite humorous. I can't imagine what this board would be like if we had lost to them. Honestly.
You mean like your bro, LarBird, who seem to lose interest in posting here as soon as his Sixers are eliminated?
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You guys are nuts thinking Fultz doesn't have any value (or virtually no value).
He has value.
But I highly doubt you can get Kawhi or another proven star if Fultz is the primary asset in the trade package. He's still a relative unknown at this point. Even Sixers fans say the same and wonder what his role will be for years to come.
But he wasn't the primary asset in the trade package in this thread. Saric, Covington, Fultz, and 10 is a pretty solid package overall. Obviously teams, like Boston, could beat that offer, but that isn't some crap offer either.
But it isn't a great offer either.
You're not going to get a great offer for a disgruntled star with 1 year left on his contract who is still recovering from a major injury. PG, Cousins and Butler trades weren't considered great offers when those trades were made either.
That is probably true of the cousins trade, but I think the butler haul was pretty good. Lavine was 22 coming off a season he averaged 19 points, Dunn was a year removed from being a highly coveted player and the 7th pick was not terrible. Saric, despite the enfatuation of a vocal few on this board, is a 24 year old role player. The 10th pick is ok if you really love someone that falls, but probably doesn't have a ton of value pre-draft. It is not a horrible package, but i just don't see what it does for the spurs. They are blowing up a perennial contender to build around a headcase that maybe can't shoot, a role player, Murray and the 10th pic? What does that get them? to be a bottom 15 team indefinitely?
Lavine was coming off a pretty bad injury and in the final year of his rookie contract. The Bulls are now faced with giving him a large extension after he played just 24 games for them (and he had by far his worst shooting season in his career, maybe that is just injury rust, or maybe not). The Bulls also gave up the 16th pick in the trade. It wasn't a terrible trade for the Bulls (especially since they seemingly got the draft pick right and Minnesota did not), but it was far from a good trade and unlike Leonard, Butler wasn't hurt and was not entering the final year of his contract (though obviously Butler was not as good as Leonard was).
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So this happens right? Then LeBron actually has help unlike going against a greenhorn C’s team. Man this guy isnt freaking human.
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So this happens right? Then LeBron actually has help unlike going against a greenhorn C’s team. Man this guy isnt freaking human.
Doubt it. LeBron/Embiid/Simmons is totally dysfunctional. One guy with literally no range, one guy with a weak outside game and one guy with a streaky but average outside game. And they all can only thrive with the ball in their hands.
Their role players (Saric, Covington, Redick) are similar to the role players in Cleveland in terms of ability (Korver, Thompson, Hill).
LeBron and Love barely beat a team lead by Al Horford, plus a 20 and a 21 year old. LeBron, Simmons and Embiid doesn't beat Kyrie, GH, Al, 21 year old JT and 22 year old JB
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If Colangelo gets fired and they hire David Griffin... the nightmare possibility can become a reality. :o
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoCZ07hwoZ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoCZ07hwoZ4)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoCZ07hwoZ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoCZ07hwoZ4)
*Lebron officially signs with Philadelphia*
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I feel like Lebron to philly is just made up by fans/media.....it really makes no sense.
You look at Miami with Wade/Bosh and Cleveland with Irving/Love....and both teams have a similarity. another iso player who can get his own shot, and a Power forward who can shoot the 3 ball. And then surround lebron with a bunch of 3 point shooters and put the ball in his hands.
Simmons has no mid-range game at all and only can operate with the ball in his hands and Embiid is a back to the basket center. I don't see how that team works with lebron unless you trade Simmons
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I feel like Lebron to philly is just made up by fans/media.....it really makes no sense.
You look at Miami with Wade/Bosh and Cleveland with Irving/Love....and both teams have a similarity. another iso player who can get his own shot, and a Power forward who can shoot the 3 ball. And then surround lebron with a bunch of 3 point shooters and put the ball in his hands.
Simmons has no mid-range game at all and only can operate with the ball in his hands and Embiid is a back to the basket center. I don't see how that team works with lebron unless you trade Simmons
Yeah I've been saying the same, especially the bolded part^
Sixers are very likely losing Belinelli, Reddick, etc. as well if they bring back Lebron (so essentially all their great shooters/perimeter threats)
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It will NEVER work, Simmons becomes useless and Brett Brown looses his job ...he waited like five years to actually coach and try and win.
Lebron s COACH and decides what goes on .
Would Brown submit
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It will NEVER work, Simmons becomes useless and Brett Brown looses his job ...he waited like five years to actually coach and try and win.
Lebron s COACH and decides what goes on .
Would Brown submit
Since when has LeBron needed a real coach to win a championship? lol Brown would submit because he'd have to. Simmons would be the 3rd start which he really is right now without a jump shot. Would be a killer 6th man. C's/Philly would be the new rivalry in the East to come.
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Feels like PHI is sort of slipping in the Lebron race which is nice.
Lakers have high odds to land him and I think Spurs are another legitimate option (Pelicans too?). Of course for the latter two finding a S&T may be a bit difficult but still possible I'm sure.
Surprisingly seems HOU may not be as high as we thought on his "priority list" lol. Still a high choice but probably not clear-cut favorites to land him as previously thought.
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You guys are nuts thinking Fultz doesn't have any value (or virtually no value).
He has value.
But I highly doubt you can get Kawhi or another proven star if Fultz is the primary asset in the trade package. He's still a relative unknown at this point. Even Sixers fans say the same and wonder what his role will be for years to come.
But he wasn't the primary asset in the trade package in this thread. Saric, Covington, Fultz, and 10 is a pretty solid package overall. Obviously teams, like Boston, could beat that offer, but that isn't some crap offer either.
But it isn't a great offer either.
You're not going to get a great offer for a disgruntled star with 1 year left on his contract who is still recovering from a major injury. PG, Cousins and Butler trades weren't considered great offers when those trades were made either.
That is probably true of the cousins trade, but I think the butler haul was pretty good. Lavine was 22 coming off a season he averaged 19 points, Dunn was a year removed from being a highly coveted player and the 7th pick was not terrible. Saric, despite the enfatuation of a vocal few on this board, is a 24 year old role player. The 10th pick is ok if you really love someone that falls, but probably doesn't have a ton of value pre-draft. It is not a horrible package, but i just don't see what it does for the spurs. They are blowing up a perennial contender to build around a headcase that maybe can't shoot, a role player, Murray and the 10th pic? What does that get them? to be a bottom 15 team indefinitely?
Lavine was coming off a pretty bad injury and in the final year of his rookie contract. The Bulls are now faced with giving him a large extension after he played just 24 games for them (and he had by far his worst shooting season in his career, maybe that is just injury rust, or maybe not). The Bulls also gave up the 16th pick in the trade. It wasn't a terrible trade for the Bulls (especially since they seemingly got the draft pick right and Minnesota did not), but it was far from a good trade and unlike Leonard, Butler wasn't hurt and was not entering the final year of his contract (though obviously Butler was not as good as Leonard was).
That decision could very well ultimately prove to be a yuge mistake for the Bulls, imo, owing to the fact that a potential Chicago core of Dunn, Markkanen, and Patton would have been much better, moving forward, than one comprised of Dunn, Lavine, and Markkanen, but we'll see as to what happens down the road.
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Feels like PHI is sort of slipping in the Lebron race which is nice.
He needs to be surrounded by shooters, something a lot of the supposedly "great" philly talents are not great at. He got a taste of cold shooters this finals and it ratcheted up another loss for him.
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I was listening to Celtics Beat and they had on Matt Moore who was asked what he thinks about LeBron to the Sixers and he had one of the most sensible arguments against it happening. I'm paraphrasing, but he said if you're 34 and you are going to be working 12 hour days from October to May, the last thing you want to be doing is spending that time with 19-23 year olds. This both made me laugh and really rang true. But alas, crazier things have happened (like KD joining a 73 win team).
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I was listening to Celtics Beat and they had on Matt Moore who was asked what he thinks about LeBron to the Sixers and he had one of the most sensible arguments against it happening. I'm paraphrasing, but he said if you're 34 and you are going to be working 12 hour days from October to May, the last thing you want to be doing is spending that time with 19-23 year olds. This both made me laugh and really rang true. But alas, crazier things have happened (like KD joining a 73 win team).
Redick will be 34 in a couple weeks and he really enjoyed playing with the Sixers. Lebron certainly didn't appear to be having fun this season playing with older players who couldn't carry their weight. In any case, the Lakers are a young team too.
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I was listening to Celtics Beat and they had on Matt Moore who was asked what he thinks about LeBron to the Sixers and he had one of the most sensible arguments against it happening. I'm paraphrasing, but he said if you're 34 and you are going to be working 12 hour days from October to May, the last thing you want to be doing is spending that time with 19-23 year olds. This both made me laugh and really rang true. But alas, crazier things have happened (like KD joining a 73 win team).
Yea I think if you are a role player like reddick or bellinelli you can kind of live with it. If your going to be the face of the franchise and be responsible for carrying those other guys day in and day out I can see it being a different kind of challenge. I suppose they could try to dump fultz and Dario to bring in mike miller and James jones.
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Nope. Not at all.
I'm of the belief that - if healthy - this team can beat ANYONE.
We have talented youth (Tatum, Jaylen, Kyrie)
We have a versatile Center (Big Al). This man battled both Giannis and Embiid and held his own in the playoffs.
We have the Swiss Army Knife of Forwards - Gordon Heyward.
We have our Lunch Pail / Hard Hat guys in Marcus Smart and Marcus Morris.
We have a good bench (Theis, Baynes, Rozier, Larkin)
We have Halloween covered in Scary Terry.
We have our potential Shot-Blocking jump out of the gym rim-running rim-protecting Big in Robert Parrish - I mean - Robert Williams.
I'm not concerned AT ALL about what PHI, GSW or CLE does. All I know is that if "I" were in that Celtics Locker room I'd have total faith in OUR guys to get the job done.
This team is READY.
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I was listening to Celtics Beat and they had on Matt Moore who was asked what he thinks about LeBron to the Sixers and he had one of the most sensible arguments against it happening. I'm paraphrasing, but he said if you're 34 and you are going to be working 12 hour days from October to May, the last thing you want to be doing is spending that time with 19-23 year olds. This both made me laugh and really rang true. But alas, crazier things have happened (like KD joining a 73 win team).
Yea I think if you are a role player like reddick or bellinelli you can kind of live with it. If your going to be the face of the franchise and be responsible for carrying those other guys day in and day out I can see it being a different kind of challenge. I suppose they could try to dump fultz and Dario to bring in mike miller and James jones.
Redick said last season was probably his most fun season he's had in the NBA. It was arguably his best season too. He's mentioned multiple times he wants Lebron to come.
The selling point for the Sixers is that Lebron isn't going to have to carry "those guys" day in day out. Embiid and Simmons in their 1st season playing together took the Sixers to 52 wins and 3rd in the East. If Lebron goes to the Sixers, he can coast through the regular season. They can reduce his minutes and games significantly.
Dumping Fultz and Dario for Miller and Jones would be way beyond stupid. I really hope you weren't serious about that.
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Sounding like Leonard would resign in Philly. Seems it might be coming together for the Sixers. That would pretty much doom Boston's chances in the East.
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Sounding like Leonard would resign in Philly. Seems it might be coming together for the Sixers. That would pretty much doom Boston's chances in the East.
And GS is pretty much a lock to win it again next season... So why do we even.bother, right?
I don't get the pessimism... Healthy celtics shouldn't be afraid of any team
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Sounding like Leonard would resign in Philly. Seems it might be coming together for the Sixers. That would pretty much doom Boston's chances in the East.
And GS is pretty much a lock to win it again next season... So why do we even.bother, right?
I don't get the pessimism... Healthy celtics shouldn't be afraid of any team
Absolutely agree with you. But James and Leonard would be a very tough out for the Cs. Would prefer the Sixers stay as constructed.
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When you go all the way no one remembers your path to the trophy. So facing scrubs all the way to the trophy has the same result as facing the best teams of all times.
But I prefer the second road
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The sky is falling, the sky is falling. .
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The sky is falling, the sky is falling. .
i know. how many of these Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing chicken little threads can cb churn out?
but, but, but...what if the sixers get lebron, kawhi, westbrook, and steph curry AND fultz turns out better than michael jordan AND simmons shots 48% from 3 point land!?!? i'm scared and the +/- of my anus is -23!!!
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There is a report that LeBron has made up his mind but will announce on Tuesday:
A recent report from Nick Wright of Fox Sports 1 states that James has already come to a decision, and he’ll announce it on Tuesday morning.
I am watching NBA Channel show on TV and there was a blurb that said LeBron AND Kawhi are following the Sixers on Twitter.
There is nothing concrete here but I don't like it. I guess it may be mano y mano if this happens.
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Philly is such a trash city.
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Our biggest threat are the fans of PHI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHaOj64sHds
Not worried if LeBron and Kawhi goes there.
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It would all depend on the strides Tatum and Brown make
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Our biggest threat are the fans of PHI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHaOj64sHds
Not worried if LeBron and Kawhi goes there.
Wow the beginning of that video is disturbing (belly man).
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Windhorst just now on espn said he is hearing Cavs or Lakers
Lakers are still the favorite
The fact he didn’t attend the sixers meeting shows he will take things from it under advisement but not really as important
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NOT ANYMORE!!! 8)