Is Jason Terry a HOFer?

[BballTim]

In theory if Terry is a HOFer then there are lots of guys that could be, right?  Sheed. Tayshaun. Kenyon Martin.  I mean pretty much anybody that was never an all star could be a HOFer, which is why I'm not even sure he gets in the Hall of Good right away.  Wally, Nick Van Exel, Mo Williams, Kevin Willis, Jameer Nelson, Chris Kaman, Sam Cassel.

I think this may be a.......I hate to say it....troll.   Something is not right here.

I'm sure ill take some crap for this because everyone fawns over the Spurs but Jeff Van Gundy calling Manu Ginobli the other night a "Sure fire Hall of Famer" was pretty shocking to me. Maybe his international career is incredible or something but I doubt that's what JVG was thinking when he said it.

Being an important part of multiple championship teams is the easiest way to overcome unspectacular regular season numbers.  See KC Jones for reference. 

There are limits though, which is why Horry will never get in.  But Ginobili's got enough for the rings, and the gold medal (a much bigger deal for a non-American) to put him comfortably over the top.

People call the greatest international player of all time.

Sounds like people haven't heard of Oscar Schmidt.

  Or Sabonis or even Dirk.

[Moranis]

In theory if Terry is a HOFer then there are lots of guys that could be, right?  Sheed. Tayshaun. Kenyon Martin.  I mean pretty much anybody that was never an all star could be a HOFer, which is why I'm not even sure he gets in the Hall of Good right away.  Wally, Nick Van Exel, Mo Williams, Kevin Willis, Jameer Nelson, Chris Kaman, Sam Cassel.

I think this may be a.......I hate to say it....troll.   Something is not right here.

I'm sure ill take some crap for this because everyone fawns over the Spurs but Jeff Van Gundy calling Manu Ginobli the other night a "Sure fire Hall of Famer" was pretty shocking to me. Maybe his international career is incredible or something but I doubt that's what JVG was thinking when he said it.

Manu will get in for his foreign play.  Even then though he has been a NBA all star twice, 3rd team All NBA twice, and the 6th man of the year, not to mention being an integral part of 3 separate title teams, so he at least has better NBA credentials than Terry.

Manu though has a pretty extensive foreign career.  I mean he won 3 titles in Europe before coming over including the Euroleague Finals MVP in one season.  He was the Italian League MVP twice. 

He also has all of the international competition leading Argentina to the 2004 Olympic Gold Medal and the Bronze in 2008.  Not to mention all of the other international competition.

So Manu will get in but it will be because of his European and International play, which when coupled with his NBA career makes him worthy of the Basketball Hall of Fame.

It was more calling him a "Sure fire hall of famer". You are making the argument that he should be in the hall of fame, probably not him being a first ballot hof.

Its kinda funny though that Manus barely cracked 10, 000 points. I mean Ben Gordon has scored as much as him.

Oh no I think he is a first ballot HOFer based on his international and foreign play.  There isn't a question or doubt in my mind.

[slamtheking]

He belongs in the "Hall of Very Good", but he's not a HOFer.

At the same time, Terry's career numbers are very similar to Jo Jo White's.  As a hypocritical homer, I'd vote White in, and leave Terry out.

I looked up Terry's career numbers compared to JoJo White's up through age 34 (when White retired) and they are REMARKABLY similar:

Per 36 min -
Terry:  17.3ppg, 5.0apg, 2.9rpg, 44.8% fg
White:  17.3ppg, 4.9apg, 4.0rpg, 44.4% fg

Wow.  Don't get much closer than that!  Terry has higher cumulative stats due to more games played

Big differences - JoJo was a 21.5ppg scorer over his playoff career (80 games), 2x champ, a Finals MVP, 7x all-star, 2x all-nba second team.  Aside from being a 1x champ, Terry owns none of those other accolades.

JoJo is considerably more deserving than Terry and not in.  Terry's chances are almost 0 to me.

I can't believe JoJo is not in but by the same token I can't believe players like KC Jones are in. Makes no sense.

JoJo was my favorite player, so i am biased about him as a HoFer but my memory is that he had a string of maybe 5-7  strong years (I checked -- 7 years greater than 18 ppg), and probably misses out due to lack of longevity. His strong years were strong, not dominant.  JoJo may get in some day.   

Terry had 3 years over 18 ppg.  He's had a lot of solid offensive years, but nothing spectacular.  Grant Hill and Jamal Crawdford are more deserving than Terry (just to name 2) and they're borderline.

I can't believe JoJo isn't in.   He's a key to those titee teams in the 70's and was an terrific player.  shame on the Hall voters

Oh, please.  JoJo was a seven-time All-Star, two-time NBA champion, NBA Finals MVP, All-Rookie First Team, and great defender who, along with his scoring, was in the top 10 in the league for assists for four straight years.  From that list, all that JET has is having been part of one NBA championship.

JET isn't half the player that JoJo was.

And, I don't know how you could even consider for the HoF a player who was never once an All-Star among his contemporaries.

try actually reading my post before you respond.  I was saying shame on the hall voters for not electing JoJo White.  nowhere did I say JET should be in - he's not even close to consideration in my book.

[gpap]

The day that Brian Scalabrine gets inducted into the HOF, then the answer would be yes.

[clover]

He belongs in the "Hall of Very Good", but he's not a HOFer.

At the same time, Terry's career numbers are very similar to Jo Jo White's.  As a hypocritical homer, I'd vote White in, and leave Terry out.

I looked up Terry's career numbers compared to JoJo White's up through age 34 (when White retired) and they are REMARKABLY similar:

Per 36 min -
Terry:  17.3ppg, 5.0apg, 2.9rpg, 44.8% fg
White:  17.3ppg, 4.9apg, 4.0rpg, 44.4% fg

Wow.  Don't get much closer than that!  Terry has higher cumulative stats due to more games played

Big differences - JoJo was a 21.5ppg scorer over his playoff career (80 games), 2x champ, a Finals MVP, 7x all-star, 2x all-nba second team.  Aside from being a 1x champ, Terry owns none of those other accolades.

JoJo is considerably more deserving than Terry and not in.  Terry's chances are almost 0 to me.

I can't believe JoJo is not in but by the same token I can't believe players like KC Jones are in. Makes no sense.

JoJo was my favorite player, so i am biased about him as a HoFer but my memory is that he had a string of maybe 5-7  strong years (I checked -- 7 years greater than 18 ppg), and probably misses out due to lack of longevity. His strong years were strong, not dominant.  JoJo may get in some day.   

Terry had 3 years over 18 ppg.  He's had a lot of solid offensive years, but nothing spectacular.  Grant Hill and Jamal Crawdford are more deserving than Terry (just to name 2) and they're borderline.

I can't believe JoJo isn't in.   He's a key to those titee teams in the 70's and was an terrific player.  shame on the Hall voters

Oh, please.  JoJo was a seven-time All-Star, two-time NBA champion, NBA Finals MVP, All-Rookie First Team, and great defender who, along with his scoring, was in the top 10 in the league for assists for four straight years.  From that list, all that JET has is having been part of one NBA championship.

JET isn't half the player that JoJo was.

And, I don't know how you could even consider for the HoF a player who was never once an All-Star among his contemporaries.

try actually reading my post before you respond.  I was saying shame on the hall voters for not electing JoJo White.  nowhere did I say JET should be in - he's not even close to consideration in my book.

Really none of the posters in the sequence I quoted were arguing for Terry to be in.  There was a comparison made to JoJo's numbers, but even that with a qualifier, to which I was responding.

I meant the 'Oh, please', rhetorically in response to the topic of the thread, but with the JoJo comparison woven in, and yours was the most up-to-date post enclosing the full discussion.

I in no way was taking issue with your comments directly and am sorry that you interpreted it as such.

[biggs]

Idk, but I'll be there when Paul and KG get inducted

[Who]

I think Jason Terry is in the same boat as someone like Fred Brown from the 70s Sonics.

[slamtheking]

He belongs in the "Hall of Very Good", but he's not a HOFer.

At the same time, Terry's career numbers are very similar to Jo Jo White's.  As a hypocritical homer, I'd vote White in, and leave Terry out.

I looked up Terry's career numbers compared to JoJo White's up through age 34 (when White retired) and they are REMARKABLY similar:

Per 36 min -
Terry:  17.3ppg, 5.0apg, 2.9rpg, 44.8% fg
White:  17.3ppg, 4.9apg, 4.0rpg, 44.4% fg

Wow.  Don't get much closer than that!  Terry has higher cumulative stats due to more games played

Big differences - JoJo was a 21.5ppg scorer over his playoff career (80 games), 2x champ, a Finals MVP, 7x all-star, 2x all-nba second team.  Aside from being a 1x champ, Terry owns none of those other accolades.

JoJo is considerably more deserving than Terry and not in.  Terry's chances are almost 0 to me.

I can't believe JoJo is not in but by the same token I can't believe players like KC Jones are in. Makes no sense.

JoJo was my favorite player, so i am biased about him as a HoFer but my memory is that he had a string of maybe 5-7  strong years (I checked -- 7 years greater than 18 ppg), and probably misses out due to lack of longevity. His strong years were strong, not dominant.  JoJo may get in some day.   

Terry had 3 years over 18 ppg.  He's had a lot of solid offensive years, but nothing spectacular.  Grant Hill and Jamal Crawdford are more deserving than Terry (just to name 2) and they're borderline.

I can't believe JoJo isn't in.   He's a key to those titee teams in the 70's and was an terrific player.  shame on the Hall voters

Oh, please.  JoJo was a seven-time All-Star, two-time NBA champion, NBA Finals MVP, All-Rookie First Team, and great defender who, along with his scoring, was in the top 10 in the league for assists for four straight years.  From that list, all that JET has is having been part of one NBA championship.

JET isn't half the player that JoJo was.

And, I don't know how you could even consider for the HoF a player who was never once an All-Star among his contemporaries.

try actually reading my post before you respond.  I was saying shame on the hall voters for not electing JoJo White.  nowhere did I say JET should be in - he's not even close to consideration in my book.

Really none of the posters in the sequence I quoted were arguing for Terry to be in.  There was a comparison made to JoJo's numbers, but even that with a qualifier, to which I was responding.

I meant the 'Oh, please', rhetorically in response to the topic of the thread, but with the JoJo comparison woven in, and yours was the most up-to-date post enclosing the full discussion.

I in no way was taking issue with your comments directly and am sorry that you interpreted it as such.

no problem, we're cool.  thought it was very unlike you to add that kind of confusing post

[action781]

Terry isn't close.

Jo Jo with 7 all-star apperences, 2 championships, 1 finals MVP and 2 2nd team all-NBA appereances and a gold medal in 68 should be in. I'd have put JoJo in over Calvin Murphy.

Here's a question, who deserves to be in from this era, say 93-13.

LOCKS
Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Garnett, Lebron, Wade, Dirk, Kidd, Iverson, Payton, Pierce, Pau

MOST LIKELY IN
Allen, Carter, Nash, Webber, Carmelo, Bosh, B. Wallace, Hill

LOCKS WITH MORE YEARS OF SIMILAR PLAY
Howard, Durant, Paul, Rose, Rondo, Westbrook, Love

Pau a "lock" huh?

Before coming to LA, he never scored over 21ppg nor grabbed double digit rpg.  He made the playoffs 3 times and was swept all 3 times.

4x all star
1x all-nba second team
2x all-nba third team
2x champ

That is right on the border for me.  He has longevity going for him... but that's about it.  When their careers are over, I don't see myself looking back on Pau and thinking he was much better than Bosh.

[Fafnir]

Gasol also has his international and olympic play to pump up his resume. He'll get in.

[action781]

Gasol also has his international and olympic play to pump up his resume. He'll get in.

Good point

[KGs Knee]

LOCKS
Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Garnett, Lebron, Wade, Dirk, Kidd, Iverson, Payton, Pierce, Pau

MOST LIKELY IN
Allen, Carter, Nash, Webber, Carmelo, Bosh, B. Wallace, Hill

LOCKS WITH MORE YEARS OF SIMILAR PLAY
Howard, Durant, Paul, Rose, Rondo, Westbrook, Love

I'd agree with all of your 'locks'.

From the 'most likely' list I think only Allen, Nash and Melo get in.  Maybe Hill and Webber if you consider their college careers.

As far as the "future locks' list, it's too early to tell,  but, I only see Howard and Durant as locks from that list.  The others will need to add to their resumes.


And to answer the OP, Terry doesn't have a snowball's chance.

[CelticG1]

In theory if Terry is a HOFer then there are lots of guys that could be, right?  Sheed. Tayshaun. Kenyon Martin.  I mean pretty much anybody that was never an all star could be a HOFer, which is why I'm not even sure he gets in the Hall of Good right away.  Wally, Nick Van Exel, Mo Williams, Kevin Willis, Jameer Nelson, Chris Kaman, Sam Cassel.

I think this may be a.......I hate to say it....troll.   Something is not right here.

I'm sure ill take some crap for this because everyone fawns over the Spurs but Jeff Van Gundy calling Manu Ginobli the other night a "Sure fire Hall of Famer" was pretty shocking to me. Maybe his international career is incredible or something but I doubt that's what JVG was thinking when he said it.

Manu will get in for his foreign play.  Even then though he has been a NBA all star twice, 3rd team All NBA twice, and the 6th man of the year, not to mention being an integral part of 3 separate title teams, so he at least has better NBA credentials than Terry.

Manu though has a pretty extensive foreign career.  I mean he won 3 titles in Europe before coming over including the Euroleague Finals MVP in one season.  He was the Italian League MVP twice. 

He also has all of the international competition leading Argentina to the 2004 Olympic Gold Medal and the Bronze in 2008.  Not to mention all of the other international competition.

So Manu will get in but it will be because of his European and International play, which when coupled with his NBA career makes him worthy of the Basketball Hall of Fame.

It was more calling him a "Sure fire hall of famer". You are making the argument that he should be in the hall of fame, probably not him being a first ballot hof.

Its kinda funny though that Manus barely cracked 10, 000 points. I mean Ben Gordon has scored as much as him.

In the NBA, sure, but I wonder how many points Gordon has scored in other professional leagues.

I'd say Ginobili's a surefire hall of famer, in that it's very likely that he'll get in.

How many points did ginobli score in international ball? Ha can't be that much.

How many did he score in college?

To me its all about perception. Ginobli sure hof because he was on champuonship teams and was a pretty good borderline all star player.

Vince carter no championships but 2 and half times more points than ginobli. He was one of the best players in the league for a while.

But perception is Carter sucks Ginobli is awesome.

Either way they both may get into the hof but neither to me is a bonafide no brainer HOF

[BballTim]

In theory if Terry is a HOFer then there are lots of guys that could be, right?  Sheed. Tayshaun. Kenyon Martin.  I mean pretty much anybody that was never an all star could be a HOFer, which is why I'm not even sure he gets in the Hall of Good right away.  Wally, Nick Van Exel, Mo Williams, Kevin Willis, Jameer Nelson, Chris Kaman, Sam Cassel.

I think this may be a.......I hate to say it....troll.   Something is not right here.

I'm sure ill take some crap for this because everyone fawns over the Spurs but Jeff Van Gundy calling Manu Ginobli the other night a "Sure fire Hall of Famer" was pretty shocking to me. Maybe his international career is incredible or something but I doubt that's what JVG was thinking when he said it.

Manu will get in for his foreign play.  Even then though he has been a NBA all star twice, 3rd team All NBA twice, and the 6th man of the year, not to mention being an integral part of 3 separate title teams, so he at least has better NBA credentials than Terry.

Manu though has a pretty extensive foreign career.  I mean he won 3 titles in Europe before coming over including the Euroleague Finals MVP in one season.  He was the Italian League MVP twice. 

He also has all of the international competition leading Argentina to the 2004 Olympic Gold Medal and the Bronze in 2008.  Not to mention all of the other international competition.

So Manu will get in but it will be because of his European and International play, which when coupled with his NBA career makes him worthy of the Basketball Hall of Fame.

It was more calling him a "Sure fire hall of famer". You are making the argument that he should be in the hall of fame, probably not him being a first ballot hof.

Its kinda funny though that Manus barely cracked 10, 000 points. I mean Ben Gordon has scored as much as him.

In the NBA, sure, but I wonder how many points Gordon has scored in other professional leagues.

I'd say Ginobili's a surefire hall of famer, in that it's very likely that he'll get in.

How many points did ginobli score in international ball? Ha can't be that much.

How many did he score in college?

To me its all about perception. Ginobli sure hof because he was on champuonship teams and was a pretty good borderline all star player.

Vince carter no championships but 2 and half times more points than ginobli. He was one of the best players in the league for a while.

But perception is Carter sucks Ginobli is awesome.

Either way they both may get into the hof but neither to me is a bonafide no brainer HOF

 If you look at their per36 numbers Carter's at 22/5/4, Manu's at 20/5/5 but Manu's a significantly more efficient scorer (TS% of 59% compared to 54%) and he's always (IMO) been seen as a better defender. Carter's numbers are based on his playing more than Manu, not from being a better player than Manu.

[Fred Roberts]

I didn't read this whole thread, but I think the clear answer is no. He's been an effective player for a while, but I think there are several players who qualified as top 5 players in the NBA in recent decades that are ahead of him . .. and won't get in.

Names like Tracy McGrady, Rasheed Wallace, Jermaine O'Neal. These guys were super-duper stars for multiple years and I think they'll have a tough time getting in. Maybe they do . . .I don't really know. But I would put all 3 ahead of Jason Terry, who has been a 'nice' player for a while, but never came close to superstar status like the three above.

I think Terry would be tied w/ someone like Marbury (at best), given that he'll surpass Marbury on points etc but only because he played longer in the NBA. Marbury was a much bigger star for many years at his apex.