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...Interesting
Toucher and Rich
@Toucherandrich
ESPN is about to drop a "bombshell" article that alleges a rift has grown so big between Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, and the Krafts that this may be their last year together-also that Brady asked 4 Garop trade. I've been talking with the Patriots tonight, we'll discuss tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/Toucherandrich/status/949086359645556739 (https://twitter.com/Toucherandrich/status/949086359645556739)
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It wouldn’t be the first time that egos broke up a team, but I’ll believe it when I see it. Brady and BB need each other.
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Don't buy it for a second.
Annual playoff time patriots hit piece.
What a joke.
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Id think Brady and BB see Brady's long term role differently and Kraft is trying to be the middle ground. Father time comes for everyone is BB'S view. Brady feels like he is top of his game and can play a lot longer than expected.
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After17 years, what a colossal shame it would be if this team (Bill, Tom and Bob) breaks up because they can't get along rather than squeezing out the remainder of the run intact. If true, I guess Josh McDaniel will take over. But I'll believe it when I see it.
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After17 years, what a colossal shame it would be if this team (Bill, Tom and Bob) breaks up because they can't get along rather than squeezing out the remainder of the run intact. If true, I guess Josh McDaniel will take over. But I'll believe it when I see it.
It'd be ironic. Very similar to what ended the Bulls prematurely.
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I think people can be professional without loving each other.
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Just read the article and it does not disappoint.
Truly hilarious. Zero substance
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Just read the article and it does not disappoint.
Truly hilarious. Zero substance
Same, just read the article. Belichick comes out looking reasonable, Brady a bit temperamental. You just hope that this isn’t their last year together.
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Looking forward to RiftGate being fabricated on the Patriots! ::) ::) ::)
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Kraft/Belichick/Brady just released a joint statement.
“For the past 18 years, the three of us have enjoyed a very good and productive working relationship. In recent days, there have been multiple media reports that have speculated theories that are unsubstantiated, highly exaggerated or flat out inaccurate. The three of us share a common goal. We look forward to the enormous challenge of competing in the postseason and the opportunity to work together in the future, just as we have for the past 18 years. It is unfortunate that there is even a need for us to respond to these fallacies. As our actions have shown, we stand united.”
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Kraft/Belichick/Brady just released a joint statement.
“For the past 18 years, the three of us have enjoyed a very good and productive working relationship. In recent days, there have been multiple media reports that have speculated theories that are unsubstantiated, highly exaggerated or flat out inaccurate. The three of us share a common goal. We look forward to the enormous challenge of competing in the postseason and the opportunity to work together in the future, just as we have for the past 18 years. It is unfortunate that there is even a need for us to respond to these fallacies. As our actions have shown, we stand united.”
Why did they need to make this statement? To me, it indicates there is some sort of rift, probably not substantial, but one that had to be addressed to shut the noise down in Patriot land.
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Kraft/Belichick/Brady just released a joint statement.
“For the past 18 years, the three of us have enjoyed a very good and productive working relationship. In recent days, there have been multiple media reports that have speculated theories that are unsubstantiated, highly exaggerated or flat out inaccurate. The three of us share a common goal. We look forward to the enormous challenge of competing in the postseason and the opportunity to work together in the future, just as we have for the past 18 years. It is unfortunate that there is even a need for us to respond to these fallacies. As our actions have shown, we stand united.”
Why did they need to make this statement? To me, it indicates there is some sort of rift, probably not substantial, but one that had to be addressed to shut the noise down in Patriot land.
Lol. It kinda' shows the opposite. Instead of reading between the lines, maybe we should just read the lines.
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Kraft/Belichick/Brady just released a joint statement.
“For the past 18 years, the three of us have enjoyed a very good and productive working relationship. In recent days, there have been multiple media reports that have speculated theories that are unsubstantiated, highly exaggerated or flat out inaccurate. The three of us share a common goal. We look forward to the enormous challenge of competing in the postseason and the opportunity to work together in the future, just as we have for the past 18 years. It is unfortunate that there is even a need for us to respond to these fallacies. As our actions have shown, we stand united.”
Why did they need to make this statement? To me, it indicates there is some sort of rift, probably not substantial, but one that had to be addressed to shut the noise down in Patriot land.
Probably just trying to be a little proactive on the media crapstorm that is about to hit Foxboro in the week leading up a a playoff game which isn't exactly ideal timing although I'm sure ESPN knew that, hence the timing of this piece.
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Kraft/Belichick/Brady just released a joint statement.
“For the past 18 years, the three of us have enjoyed a very good and productive working relationship. In recent days, there have been multiple media reports that have speculated theories that are unsubstantiated, highly exaggerated or flat out inaccurate. The three of us share a common goal. We look forward to the enormous challenge of competing in the postseason and the opportunity to work together in the future, just as we have for the past 18 years. It is unfortunate that there is even a need for us to respond to these fallacies. As our actions have shown, we stand united.”
Why did they need to make this statement? To me, it indicates there is some sort of rift, probably not substantial, but one that had to be addressed to shut the noise down in Patriot land.
Lol. It kinda' shows the opposite. Instead of reading between the lines, maybe we should just read the lines.
Lol you are probably right. I just feel it is not necessary if nothing is wrong.
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I totally get why Patriots fans would write this off, but there is plenty of meat in there, especially involving Jimmy G and Brady's trainer. The timing of the Jimmy G trade is just weird, especially with all of the firm statements that he wouldn't be traded in the off season (when they could have had at least #12 from Cleveland) and couple that with the fact that Brady was the only other QB on the roster at the time (the Pats sort of lucked into Hoyer). It smacks of Bill getting overruled and forced into making a trade he didn't want to make. Then you have Bill banning Brady's trainer after years of a certain type of relationship.
There is definitely smoke there, which means there is some sort of fire.
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I totally get why Patriots fans would write this off, but there is plenty of meat in there, especially involving Jimmy G and Brady's trainer. The timing of the Jimmy G trade is just weird, especially with all of the firm statements that he wouldn't be traded in the off season (when they could have had at least #12 from Cleveland) and couple that with the fact that Brady was the only other QB on the roster at the time (the Pats sort of lucked into Hoyer). It smacks of Bill getting overruled and forced into making a trade he didn't want to make. Then you have Bill banning Brady's trainer after years of a certain type of relationship.
There is definitely smoke there, which means there is some sort of fire.
I agree. A smart organization like NE wouldn't trade its third-string QB if it planned on soon trading its second-string QB.
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What was weird about the timing of the trade?
They didn't trade him in that off season, because they needed to see if Brady could still actually make it happen in games.
Once they got up to the deadline, and Brady still clearly has 'it's, they faced the choice of keeping Jimmy and losing him for nothing at the end of the season for nothing, or getting something for him now.
I am not saying the Kraft-Brady deal didn't occur, and it seems certainly possible, but the timing of this trade was not in any way "weird".
Get a high second, or a late third comp pick.
Or trade Brady.
But something had to be done. Keeping both was not an option.
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It wouldn’t be the first time that egos broke up a team, but I’ll believe it when I see it. Brady and BB need each other.
As someone who has long been of the opinion that Kraft forced Belichick to trade Jimmy G. last-minute, I think this would be the point of any potential rift. Belichick knows football and football history. He knows that his success is directly tied to Brady's. He probably wanted to win with Jimmy G. to prove that it was he, not Brady, who was most responsible for the Patriots success. Imagine the return he could have gotten for Brady after this year. The Pats are already stacked, and if there was little to no drop-off from Brady to Garoppolo, adding the players and picks that would have come from a Brady trade could have set the Patriots up for another 10-year dynasty. Instead, Belichick was forced to trade two over-prepared quarterbacks for nothing, and I think that he will now retire when Brady does and leave the Patriots screwed.
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What was weird about the timing of the trade?
They didn't trade him in that off season, because they needed to see if Brady could still actually make it happen in games.
Once they got up to the deadline, and Brady still clearly has 'it's, they faced the choice of keeping Jimmy and losing him for nothing at the end of the season for nothing, or getting something for him now.
I am not saying the Kraft-Brady deal didn't occur, and it seems certainly possible, but the timing of this trade was not in any way "weird".
Get a high second, or a late third comp pick.
Or trade Brady.
But something had to be done. Keeping both was not an option.
Yea I agree that it could definitely be this, or any number of other reasons (or the story could be mostly true too). It could be that the staff didn't like the way Garrapolo was looking in practice. It could be that Graapolo's agent made it clear in September (but not May) that was he would never sign here this offseason. It could be that the team thought Brady looked better than he would at age 40 and became more comfortable. The timing of the article also seems like it has an agenda of trying to disrupt the playoffs right before the playoffs start.
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What was weird about the timing of the trade?
They didn't trade him in that off season, because they needed to see if Brady could still actually make it happen in games.
Once they got up to the deadline, and Brady still clearly has 'it's, they faced the choice of keeping Jimmy and losing him for nothing at the end of the season for nothing, or getting something for him now.
I am not saying the Kraft-Brady deal didn't occur, and it seems certainly possible, but the timing of this trade was not in any way "weird".
Get a high second, or a late third comp pick.
Or trade Brady.
But something had to be done. Keeping both was not an option.
But why trade Brisset if you are thinking you might trade Jimmy G later in the year? And they absolutely could have franchised Jimmy G this offseason and either kept both or traded one of them after the franchise tag. To do that, the Patriots would have just needed the cap space to apply the franchise tag.
It just feels like a rushed trade out of nowhere, which tends to lend a lot of credence to the fact that it came from ownership and not someone like Bill, who is always so calculated and plans for everything.
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What was weird about the timing of the trade?
They didn't trade him in that off season, because they needed to see if Brady could still actually make it happen in games.
Once they got up to the deadline, and Brady still clearly has 'it's, they faced the choice of keeping Jimmy and losing him for nothing at the end of the season for nothing, or getting something for him now.
I am not saying the Kraft-Brady deal didn't occur, and it seems certainly possible, but the timing of this trade was not in any way "weird".
Get a high second, or a late third comp pick.
Or trade Brady.
But something had to be done. Keeping both was not an option.
Yea I agree that it could definitely be this, or any number of other reasons (or the story could be mostly true too). It could be that the staff didn't like the way Garrapolo was looking in practice. It could be that Graapolo's agent made it clear in September (but not May) that was he would never sign here this offseason. It could be that the team thought Brady looked better than he would at age 40 and became more comfortable. The timing of the article also seems like it has an agenda of trying to disrupt the playoffs right before the playoffs start.
If anyone on the Patriots staff didn't like how Jimmy G was looking, they should be fired immediately because Jimmy G clearly has that special factor. Look at what he did for San Fran.
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Please let this be true!
- Dolphins fan
:o
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That joint statement from the Patriots is total bogus. Bill Belichick would never comment on an article like that and would just brush it off. This smells like Kraft told the PR staff to write something that makes them look like their still all on the same page.
One of the biggest bombshells in the article to me, was Jimmy G being denied treatment by the TB12 clinic following his shoulder injury. He was seen two weeks later, after a high ranking Patriots staffer questioned his denial. I'm sure it was only a coincidence that Brady was scheduled to come off his suspension when Jimmy G was allowed to be treated at the TB12 clinic.
There was a huge omission in the article. When is Belichick's contract up? The New York Giants seem like a great opportunity for him now (this was once speculated to be his dream job). They have a veteran QB, that knows how to win in big games. Bill may be the difference that allows Manning to make the playoffs again, and play in those big games. They also have the #2 pick in the upcoming draft, where they can pick the successor QB for the future. And Bill could force the other part of the equation; could Brady and Kraft figure out a way to win without him.
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I totally get why Patriots fans would write this off, but there is plenty of meat in there, especially involving Jimmy G and Brady's trainer. The timing of the Jimmy G trade is just weird, especially with all of the firm statements that he wouldn't be traded in the off season (when they could have had at least #12 from Cleveland) and couple that with the fact that Brady was the only other QB on the roster at the time (the Pats sort of lucked into Hoyer). It smacks of Bill getting overruled and forced into making a trade he didn't want to make. Then you have Bill banning Brady's trainer after years of a certain type of relationship.
There is definitely smoke there, which means there is some sort of fire.
Definitely agree. To write this off as 'zero substance' is being delusional! It's no secret that Brady is a diva and BB is eccentric while Kraft is in the middle. I'm sure this isn't the first time there's been a rift in Patriotland. Letting JG go for peanuts was a HUGE mistake and will come back to haunt them. I hope TB12 makes him invincible because they're a Brady injury away from being a bottom 10 team.
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Please let this be true!
- Dolphins fan
:o
;D ;D - Steelers fan
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What was weird about the timing of the trade?
They didn't trade him in that off season, because they needed to see if Brady could still actually make it happen in games.
Once they got up to the deadline, and Brady still clearly has 'it's, they faced the choice of keeping Jimmy and losing him for nothing at the end of the season for nothing, or getting something for him now.
I am not saying the Kraft-Brady deal didn't occur, and it seems certainly possible, but the timing of this trade was not in any way "weird".
Get a high second, or a late third comp pick.
Or trade Brady.
But something had to be done. Keeping both was not an option.
Yea I agree that it could definitely be this, or any number of other reasons (or the story could be mostly true too). It could be that the staff didn't like the way Garrapolo was looking in practice. It could be that Graapolo's agent made it clear in September (but not May) that was he would never sign here this offseason. It could be that the team thought Brady looked better than he would at age 40 and became more comfortable. The timing of the article also seems like it has an agenda of trying to disrupt the playoffs right before the playoffs start.
If anyone on the Patriots staff didn't like how Jimmy G was looking, they should be fired immediately because Jimmy G clearly has that special factor. Look at what he did for San Fran.
Jimmy G made his first start for the 49ers when they were 1-10. Yet he was able to go 5-0 to finish the season. I find it beyond idiotic, that most Patriots fans thought the Pats could only win with Brady. Jimmy G looked like the second coming of Aaron Rogers when he started for the Pats during Brady's suspension, with all of their weapons on offense.
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Please let this be true!
- Dolphins fan
:o
;D ;D - Steelers fan
I feel for you brother. Painful way to lose home field advantage. The NFL reception rules have always been strange. Correct call, but just a rule that doesn't jive with what the eyeballs showed.
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What was weird about the timing of the trade?
They didn't trade him in that off season, because they needed to see if Brady could still actually make it happen in games.
Once they got up to the deadline, and Brady still clearly has 'it's, they faced the choice of keeping Jimmy and losing him for nothing at the end of the season for nothing, or getting something for him now.
I am not saying the Kraft-Brady deal didn't occur, and it seems certainly possible, but the timing of this trade was not in any way "weird".
Get a high second, or a late third comp pick.
Or trade Brady.
But something had to be done. Keeping both was not an option.
Yea I agree that it could definitely be this, or any number of other reasons (or the story could be mostly true too). It could be that the staff didn't like the way Garrapolo was looking in practice. It could be that Graapolo's agent made it clear in September (but not May) that was he would never sign here this offseason. It could be that the team thought Brady looked better than he would at age 40 and became more comfortable. The timing of the article also seems like it has an agenda of trying to disrupt the playoffs right before the playoffs start.
If anyone on the Patriots staff didn't like how Jimmy G was looking, they should be fired immediately because Jimmy G clearly has that special factor. Look at what he did for San Fran.
Ok so I listed 3 reasons and you disagree with 1. Are the other two not believable?
Also interesting to think about this comparison:
Colin Kaepernick last five full games in 2016:
64.6 completion percentage on 164 attempts
1,093 passing yards for 9 TD, 2 INT and passer rating of 96.9
27 rushes for 188 yards and 1 TD
Jimmy Garoppolo last five full games in 2017:
67.1 completion percentage on 176 attempts
1,542 passing yards for 6 TD, 5 INT and passer rating of 94.0
14 rushes for 7 yards and 1 TD
I think Garoppolo could be an excellent player, but he is definitely getting a ton of extra hype from the fact that the 49ers got a streak going with 2 impressive wins and 3 games they may have won anyways (in the final week the Rams start Mannion at qb and Brown at RB).
I think he could very well have a great year next year, but lets not assume he is all-time great just yet.
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What was weird about the timing of the trade?
They didn't trade him in that off season, because they needed to see if Brady could still actually make it happen in games.
Once they got up to the deadline, and Brady still clearly has 'it's, they faced the choice of keeping Jimmy and losing him for nothing at the end of the season for nothing, or getting something for him now.
I am not saying the Kraft-Brady deal didn't occur, and it seems certainly possible, but the timing of this trade was not in any way "weird".
Get a high second, or a late third comp pick.
Or trade Brady.
But something had to be done. Keeping both was not an option.
Yea I agree that it could definitely be this, or any number of other reasons (or the story could be mostly true too). It could be that the staff didn't like the way Garrapolo was looking in practice. It could be that Graapolo's agent made it clear in September (but not May) that was he would never sign here this offseason. It could be that the team thought Brady looked better than he would at age 40 and became more comfortable. The timing of the article also seems like it has an agenda of trying to disrupt the playoffs right before the playoffs start.
If anyone on the Patriots staff didn't like how Jimmy G was looking, they should be fired immediately because Jimmy G clearly has that special factor. Look at what he did for San Fran.
Ok so I listed 3 reasons and you disagree with 1. Are the other two not believable?
Also interesting to think about this comparison:
Colin Kaepernick last five full games in 2016:
64.6 completion percentage on 164 attempts
1,093 passing yards for 9 TD, 2 INT and passer rating of 96.9
27 rushes for 188 yards and 1 TD
Jimmy Garoppolo last five full games in 2017:
67.1 completion percentage on 176 attempts
1,542 passing yards for 6 TD, 5 INT and passer rating of 94.0
14 rushes for 7 yards and 1 TD
I think Garoppolo could be an excellent player, but he is definitely getting a ton of extra hype from the fact that the 49ers got a streak going with 2 impressive wins and 3 games they may have won anyways (in the final week the Rams start Mannion at qb and Brown at RB).
I think he could very well have a great year next year, but lets not assume he is all-time great just yet.
I saw that garbage stat/argument today. Funny how the article never mentioned that the 49ers got worse every year Kaepernick played. And in those final 6 games, I believe his record was 1-5. Jimmy G started the last 5 games for a 1-10 team and still went 5-0, while taking two snaps or so as a sub in that first game (to come up with their 6 game argument). Also, lost in the argument, is the fact that Kaepernick was already a 5 year starter, while Jimmy G had only started 2 or 3 games previously in his career. Talk about cherry picking stats to try to make an argument.
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What was weird about the timing of the trade?
They didn't trade him in that off season, because they needed to see if Brady could still actually make it happen in games.
Once they got up to the deadline, and Brady still clearly has 'it's, they faced the choice of keeping Jimmy and losing him for nothing at the end of the season for nothing, or getting something for him now.
I am not saying the Kraft-Brady deal didn't occur, and it seems certainly possible, but the timing of this trade was not in any way "weird".
Get a high second, or a late third comp pick.
Or trade Brady.
But something had to be done. Keeping both was not an option.
Yea I agree that it could definitely be this, or any number of other reasons (or the story could be mostly true too). It could be that the staff didn't like the way Garrapolo was looking in practice. It could be that Graapolo's agent made it clear in September (but not May) that was he would never sign here this offseason. It could be that the team thought Brady looked better than he would at age 40 and became more comfortable. The timing of the article also seems like it has an agenda of trying to disrupt the playoffs right before the playoffs start.
If anyone on the Patriots staff didn't like how Jimmy G was looking, they should be fired immediately because Jimmy G clearly has that special factor. Look at what he did for San Fran.
Ok so I listed 3 reasons and you disagree with 1. Are the other two not believable?
Also interesting to think about this comparison:
Colin Kaepernick last five full games in 2016:
64.6 completion percentage on 164 attempts
1,093 passing yards for 9 TD, 2 INT and passer rating of 96.9
27 rushes for 188 yards and 1 TD
Jimmy Garoppolo last five full games in 2017:
67.1 completion percentage on 176 attempts
1,542 passing yards for 6 TD, 5 INT and passer rating of 94.0
14 rushes for 7 yards and 1 TD
I think Garoppolo could be an excellent player, but he is definitely getting a ton of extra hype from the fact that the 49ers got a streak going with 2 impressive wins and 3 games they may have won anyways (in the final week the Rams start Mannion at qb and Brown at RB).
I think he could very well have a great year next year, but lets not assume he is all-time great just yet.
I saw that garbage stat/argument today. Funny how the article never mentioned that the 49ers got worse every year Kaepernick played. And in those final 6 games, I believe his record was 1-5. Jimmy G started the last 5 games for a 1-10 team and still went 5-0, while taking two snaps or so as a sub in that first game (to come up with their 6 game argument). Also, lost in the argument, is the fact that Kaepernick was already a 5 year starter, while Jimmy G had only started 2 or 3 games previously in his career. Talk about cherry picking stats to try to make an argument.
I wasn't trying to say Jimmy G won't be better than Kapernick, but point out how much of the hype is tied to the record. He definitely deserves lots of credit for a great start, but it would be about half the hype if he was 2-3 or 1-4 and their defense certainly played well at the end of the season. In their win over the bears they won without even getting a touchdown. Against the Texans they went up against a turd sandwich of Savage and Yates. The games against the Rams was against all backups. Would like to see how he performs over the course of the next year before I call him a top ten qb etc as others have started to say.
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What was weird about the timing of the trade?
They didn't trade him in that off season, because they needed to see if Brady could still actually make it happen in games.
Once they got up to the deadline, and Brady still clearly has 'it's, they faced the choice of keeping Jimmy and losing him for nothing at the end of the season for nothing, or getting something for him now.
I am not saying the Kraft-Brady deal didn't occur, and it seems certainly possible, but the timing of this trade was not in any way "weird".
Get a high second, or a late third comp pick.
Or trade Brady.
But something had to be done. Keeping both was not an option.
Yea I agree that it could definitely be this, or any number of other reasons (or the story could be mostly true too). It could be that the staff didn't like the way Garrapolo was looking in practice. It could be that Graapolo's agent made it clear in September (but not May) that was he would never sign here this offseason. It could be that the team thought Brady looked better than he would at age 40 and became more comfortable. The timing of the article also seems like it has an agenda of trying to disrupt the playoffs right before the playoffs start.
If anyone on the Patriots staff didn't like how Jimmy G was looking, they should be fired immediately because Jimmy G clearly has that special factor. Look at what he did for San Fran.
Ok so I listed 3 reasons and you disagree with 1. Are the other two not believable?
Also interesting to think about this comparison:
Colin Kaepernick last five full games in 2016:
64.6 completion percentage on 164 attempts
1,093 passing yards for 9 TD, 2 INT and passer rating of 96.9
27 rushes for 188 yards and 1 TD
Jimmy Garoppolo last five full games in 2017:
67.1 completion percentage on 176 attempts
1,542 passing yards for 6 TD, 5 INT and passer rating of 94.0
14 rushes for 7 yards and 1 TD
I think Garoppolo could be an excellent player, but he is definitely getting a ton of extra hype from the fact that the 49ers got a streak going with 2 impressive wins and 3 games they may have won anyways (in the final week the Rams start Mannion at qb and Brown at RB).
I think he could very well have a great year next year, but lets not assume he is all-time great just yet.
I saw that garbage stat/argument today. Funny how the article never mentioned that the 49ers got worse every year Kaepernick played. And in those final 6 games, I believe his record was 1-5. Jimmy G started the last 5 games for a 1-10 team and still went 5-0, while taking two snaps or so as a sub in that first game (to come up with their 6 game argument). Also, lost in the argument, is the fact that Kaepernick was already a 5 year starter, while Jimmy G had only started 2 or 3 games previously in his career. Talk about cherry picking stats to try to make an argument.
I wasn't trying to say Jimmy G won't be better than Kapernick, but point out how much of the hype is tied to the record. He definitely deserves lots of credit for a great start, but it would be about half the hype if he was 2-3 or 1-4 and their defense certainly played well at the end of the season. In their win over the bears they won without even getting a touchdown. Against the Texans they went up against a turd sandwich of Savage and Yates. The games against the Rams was against all backups. Would like to see how he performs over the course of the next year before I call him a top ten qb etc as others have started to say.
TP, agree completely. People have jumped the gun entirely - probably out of spite towards the Pats
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I don't think anyone is calling him a top 10 QB, but Jimmy G can clearly play and the Patriots knew it. They would have traded him to the Browns before the last draft for 12 (and maybe more) if they didn't think he had special talent. But that is what makes the timing of the trade so weird. They waited until his value was the smallest it was ever going to be. They traded him when he was 1 of just 2 QB's on the roster. They traded him when they didn't have to because they always could have just put a franchise tag on him and ensured they kept him (or could have traded him after the tagging when his value would have been higher). It just doesn't make sense as a Bill move, so Bill was almost certainly not behind it, and if Bill wasn't behind it, that speaks to a much larger issue in the organization, because Bill has been behind every move for years.
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What was weird about the timing of the trade?
They didn't trade him in that off season, because they needed to see if Brady could still actually make it happen in games.
Once they got up to the deadline, and Brady still clearly has 'it's, they faced the choice of keeping Jimmy and losing him for nothing at the end of the season for nothing, or getting something for him now.
I am not saying the Kraft-Brady deal didn't occur, and it seems certainly possible, but the timing of this trade was not in any way "weird".
Get a high second, or a late third comp pick.
Or trade Brady.
But something had to be done. Keeping both was not an option.
Yea I agree that it could definitely be this, or any number of other reasons (or the story could be mostly true too). It could be that the staff didn't like the way Garrapolo was looking in practice. It could be that Graapolo's agent made it clear in September (but not May) that was he would never sign here this offseason. It could be that the team thought Brady looked better than he would at age 40 and became more comfortable. The timing of the article also seems like it has an agenda of trying to disrupt the playoffs right before the playoffs start.
If anyone on the Patriots staff didn't like how Jimmy G was looking, they should be fired immediately because Jimmy G clearly has that special factor. Look at what he did for San Fran.
Ok so I listed 3 reasons and you disagree with 1. Are the other two not believable?
Also interesting to think about this comparison:
Colin Kaepernick last five full games in 2016:
64.6 completion percentage on 164 attempts
1,093 passing yards for 9 TD, 2 INT and passer rating of 96.9
27 rushes for 188 yards and 1 TD
Jimmy Garoppolo last five full games in 2017:
67.1 completion percentage on 176 attempts
1,542 passing yards for 6 TD, 5 INT and passer rating of 94.0
14 rushes for 7 yards and 1 TD
I think Garoppolo could be an excellent player, but he is definitely getting a ton of extra hype from the fact that the 49ers got a streak going with 2 impressive wins and 3 games they may have won anyways (in the final week the Rams start Mannion at qb and Brown at RB).
I think he could very well have a great year next year, but lets not assume he is all-time great just yet.
I saw that garbage stat/argument today. Funny how the article never mentioned that the 49ers got worse every year Kaepernick played. And in those final 6 games, I believe his record was 1-5. Jimmy G started the last 5 games for a 1-10 team and still went 5-0, while taking two snaps or so as a sub in that first game (to come up with their 6 game argument). Also, lost in the argument, is the fact that Kaepernick was already a 5 year starter, while Jimmy G had only started 2 or 3 games previously in his career. Talk about cherry picking stats to try to make an argument.
I wasn't trying to say Jimmy G won't be better than Kapernick, but point out how much of the hype is tied to the record. He definitely deserves lots of credit for a great start, but it would be about half the hype if he was 2-3 or 1-4 and their defense certainly played well at the end of the season. In their win over the bears they won without even getting a touchdown. Against the Texans they went up against a turd sandwich of Savage and Yates. The games against the Rams was against all backups. Would like to see how he performs over the course of the next year before I call him a top ten qb etc as others have started to say.
TP, agree completely. People have jumped the gun entirely - probably out of spite towards the Pats
You guys have got to be kidding me. If Brady was traded to the 49ers instead and went 5-0, you guys would say that is why Brady is the GOAT. The fact of the matter is Jimmy G did go 5-0 on a 1-10 team. He did have end of games drives to put his team in a position to win multiple times. During Brady's four game suspension, the talk around here was the Pats could go 0-4. Amazingly enough, the Pats went 3-1 with apparently two scrubs. To me, that says either Brady's backups were good, or Brady might be the most overrated player in history because anyone could win on the Pats team.
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Kraft has meddled before, and he's driven away great coaches before.
He had an infamously poor relationship with Bill Parcells, which led to Parcells leaving immediately after a Super Bowl appearance.
He admits to not giving Pete Carroll the power to implement his vision:
http://www.patriots.com/video/2015/01/31/new-england-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-didnt-give-pete-carroll-power-he-should
And now this nonsense with BB.
We're seeing a pattern here. If he's smart Kraft steps back, apologizes profusely, and gives Belichick complete power from here on out.
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What was weird about the timing of the trade?
They didn't trade him in that off season, because they needed to see if Brady could still actually make it happen in games.
Once they got up to the deadline, and Brady still clearly has 'it's, they faced the choice of keeping Jimmy and losing him for nothing at the end of the season for nothing, or getting something for him now.
I am not saying the Kraft-Brady deal didn't occur, and it seems certainly possible, but the timing of this trade was not in any way "weird".
Get a high second, or a late third comp pick.
Or trade Brady.
But something had to be done. Keeping both was not an option.
Yea I agree that it could definitely be this, or any number of other reasons (or the story could be mostly true too). It could be that the staff didn't like the way Garrapolo was looking in practice. It could be that Graapolo's agent made it clear in September (but not May) that was he would never sign here this offseason. It could be that the team thought Brady looked better than he would at age 40 and became more comfortable. The timing of the article also seems like it has an agenda of trying to disrupt the playoffs right before the playoffs start.
If anyone on the Patriots staff didn't like how Jimmy G was looking, they should be fired immediately because Jimmy G clearly has that special factor. Look at what he did for San Fran.
Ok so I listed 3 reasons and you disagree with 1. Are the other two not believable?
Also interesting to think about this comparison:
Colin Kaepernick last five full games in 2016:
64.6 completion percentage on 164 attempts
1,093 passing yards for 9 TD, 2 INT and passer rating of 96.9
27 rushes for 188 yards and 1 TD
Jimmy Garoppolo last five full games in 2017:
67.1 completion percentage on 176 attempts
1,542 passing yards for 6 TD, 5 INT and passer rating of 94.0
14 rushes for 7 yards and 1 TD
I think Garoppolo could be an excellent player, but he is definitely getting a ton of extra hype from the fact that the 49ers got a streak going with 2 impressive wins and 3 games they may have won anyways (in the final week the Rams start Mannion at qb and Brown at RB).
I think he could very well have a great year next year, but lets not assume he is all-time great just yet.
I saw that garbage stat/argument today. Funny how the article never mentioned that the 49ers got worse every year Kaepernick played. And in those final 6 games, I believe his record was 1-5. Jimmy G started the last 5 games for a 1-10 team and still went 5-0, while taking two snaps or so as a sub in that first game (to come up with their 6 game argument). Also, lost in the argument, is the fact that Kaepernick was already a 5 year starter, while Jimmy G had only started 2 or 3 games previously in his career. Talk about cherry picking stats to try to make an argument.
I wasn't trying to say Jimmy G won't be better than Kapernick, but point out how much of the hype is tied to the record. He definitely deserves lots of credit for a great start, but it would be about half the hype if he was 2-3 or 1-4 and their defense certainly played well at the end of the season. In their win over the bears they won without even getting a touchdown. Against the Texans they went up against a turd sandwich of Savage and Yates. The games against the Rams was against all backups. Would like to see how he performs over the course of the next year before I call him a top ten qb etc as others have started to say.
TP, agree completely. People have jumped the gun entirely - probably out of spite towards the Pats
You guys have got to be kidding me. If Brady was traded to the 49ers instead and went 5-0, you guys would say that is why Brady is the GOAT. The fact of the matter is Jimmy G did go 5-0 on a 1-10 team. He did have end of games drives to put his team in a position to win multiple times. During Brady's four game suspension, the talk around here was the Pats could go 0-4. Amazingly enough, the Pats went 3-1 with apparently two scrubs. To me, that says either Brady's backups were good, or Brady might be the most overrated player in history because anyone could win on the Pats team.
Obviously fans are going to get more excited than they should. It is part of what being a fan is. So yes I agree we would go nuts if Brady came in and went 5-0. (Heck can you imagine what would happen if he came in and led the Patriots to a super bowl in his first season over a team so good it has the nickname greatest show on turf? I can't imagine what it would be like if that had happened.
All that being said, we can also be realistic when talking about other teams and point out that three of the wins came against seth mannion, tj yates and beating trubinskey on only field goals. It calls for a longer view of him to determine he is going to be a great one.
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I think both sides can be right about Jimmy G. He looks extremely promising as a future starter and possible top 10 QB in the league. A guy who is worth a top 15 1st round pick.
That said, the sample size is small and he may turn out to be no better than a Joe Flacco or Drew Bledsoe level QB (very good, but not great). But I really doubt he bombs. The stats of the final 5 games of a team with nothing to lose is a little like 4th quarter stats in a game you trail by 3 touchdowns. You play a little more loose and freewheeling. Lots of yards and basically a 1:1 TD:int ratio and a very good completion %. Promising but not overwhelming.
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I'm really curious as to Bill's contract. Is it up at the end of the season? If not, how many years are remaining? Does he have an opt out clause that he can exercise?
If Jon Gruden is apparently going back to the Raiders on a 10 year, nearly $100 million contract, then what is Belichick worth on the open market? If Bill retired or changed franchises this offseason, then that would be one of the biggest moves in the history of the league.
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What was weird about the timing of the trade?
They didn't trade him in that off season, because they needed to see if Brady could still actually make it happen in games.
Once they got up to the deadline, and Brady still clearly has 'it's, they faced the choice of keeping Jimmy and losing him for nothing at the end of the season for nothing, or getting something for him now.
I am not saying the Kraft-Brady deal didn't occur, and it seems certainly possible, but the timing of this trade was not in any way "weird".
Get a high second, or a late third comp pick.
Or trade Brady.
But something had to be done. Keeping both was not an option.
But why trade Brisset if you are thinking you might trade Jimmy G later in the year? And they absolutely could have franchised Jimmy G this offseason and either kept both or traded one of them after the franchise tag. To do that, the Patriots would have just needed the cap space to apply the franchise tag.
It just feels like a rushed trade out of nowhere, which tends to lend a lot of credence to the fact that it came from ownership and not someone like Bill, who is always so calculated and plans for everything.
Because you feel Jacoby brings nothing they can't find out of a FA and had the opportunity to get something for him.
And franchising Jimmy was not an option, realistically.
Jimmy would have made noise about that.
There is no chance they would pay 24 million or so for a a backup QB.
One had to go, that is the truth and the bottom line. Maybe Kraft stepped in to make that decision, I don't know, but I do know that the timing of the trade was not unusual. They had to see if Tom still had it, so they didn't trade him in the off season, and Tom showed he had it so they had to trade one of them, or end up losing one for nothing.
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What was weird about the timing of the trade?
They didn't trade him in that off season, because they needed to see if Brady could still actually make it happen in games.
Once they got up to the deadline, and Brady still clearly has 'it's, they faced the choice of keeping Jimmy and losing him for nothing at the end of the season for nothing, or getting something for him now.
I am not saying the Kraft-Brady deal didn't occur, and it seems certainly possible, but the timing of this trade was not in any way "weird".
Get a high second, or a late third comp pick.
Or trade Brady.
But something had to be done. Keeping both was not an option.
Yea I agree that it could definitely be this, or any number of other reasons (or the story could be mostly true too). It could be that the staff didn't like the way Garrapolo was looking in practice. It could be that Graapolo's agent made it clear in September (but not May) that was he would never sign here this offseason. It could be that the team thought Brady looked better than he would at age 40 and became more comfortable. The timing of the article also seems like it has an agenda of trying to disrupt the playoffs right before the playoffs start.
If anyone on the Patriots staff didn't like how Jimmy G was looking, they should be fired immediately because Jimmy G clearly has that special factor. Look at what he did for San Fran.
Ok so I listed 3 reasons and you disagree with 1. Are the other two not believable?
Also interesting to think about this comparison:
Colin Kaepernick last five full games in 2016:
64.6 completion percentage on 164 attempts
1,093 passing yards for 9 TD, 2 INT and passer rating of 96.9
27 rushes for 188 yards and 1 TD
Jimmy Garoppolo last five full games in 2017:
67.1 completion percentage on 176 attempts
1,542 passing yards for 6 TD, 5 INT and passer rating of 94.0
14 rushes for 7 yards and 1 TD
I think Garoppolo could be an excellent player, but he is definitely getting a ton of extra hype from the fact that the 49ers got a streak going with 2 impressive wins and 3 games they may have won anyways (in the final week the Rams start Mannion at qb and Brown at RB).
I think he could very well have a great year next year, but lets not assume he is all-time great just yet.
I saw that garbage stat/argument today. Funny how the article never mentioned that the 49ers got worse every year Kaepernick played. And in those final 6 games, I believe his record was 1-5. Jimmy G started the last 5 games for a 1-10 team and still went 5-0, while taking two snaps or so as a sub in that first game (to come up with their 6 game argument). Also, lost in the argument, is the fact that Kaepernick was already a 5 year starter, while Jimmy G had only started 2 or 3 games previously in his career. Talk about cherry picking stats to try to make an argument.
I wasn't trying to say Jimmy G won't be better than Kapernick, but point out how much of the hype is tied to the record. He definitely deserves lots of credit for a great start, but it would be about half the hype if he was 2-3 or 1-4 and their defense certainly played well at the end of the season. In their win over the bears they won without even getting a touchdown. Against the Texans they went up against a turd sandwich of Savage and Yates. The games against the Rams was against all backups. Would like to see how he performs over the course of the next year before I call him a top ten qb etc as others have started to say.
TP, agree completely. People have jumped the gun entirely - probably out of spite towards the Pats
You guys have got to be kidding me. If Brady was traded to the 49ers instead and went 5-0, you guys would say that is why Brady is the GOAT. The fact of the matter is Jimmy G did go 5-0 on a 1-10 team. He did have end of games drives to put his team in a position to win multiple times. During Brady's four game suspension, the talk around here was the Pats could go 0-4. Amazingly enough, the Pats went 3-1 with apparently two scrubs. To me, that says either Brady's backups were good, or Brady might be the most overrated player in history because anyone could win on the Pats team.
Obviously fans are going to get more excited than they should. It is part of what being a fan is. So yes I agree we would go nuts if Brady came in and went 5-0. (Heck can you imagine what would happen if he came in and led the Patriots to a super bowl in his first season over a team so good it has the nickname greatest show on turf? I can't imagine what it would be like if that had happened.
All that being said, we can also be realistic when talking about other teams and point out that three of the wins came against seth mannion, tj yates and beating trubinskey on only field goals. It calls for a longer view of him to determine he is going to be a great one.
The QB's you listed sound like the AFC East QB's the Pats have faced for the past 10 years or so. BTW, I do like how you conveniently left out the two playoff teams Jimmy G beat, that were still trying to win.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make the argument that he is a great quarterback. He looks like a difference maker, and I'm not sure how many QB's could have went 5-0 on that 49ers team.
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What was weird about the timing of the trade?
They didn't trade him in that off season, because they needed to see if Brady could still actually make it happen in games.
Once they got up to the deadline, and Brady still clearly has 'it's, they faced the choice of keeping Jimmy and losing him for nothing at the end of the season for nothing, or getting something for him now.
I am not saying the Kraft-Brady deal didn't occur, and it seems certainly possible, but the timing of this trade was not in any way "weird".
Get a high second, or a late third comp pick.
Or trade Brady.
But something had to be done. Keeping both was not an option.
Yea I agree that it could definitely be this, or any number of other reasons (or the story could be mostly true too). It could be that the staff didn't like the way Garrapolo was looking in practice. It could be that Graapolo's agent made it clear in September (but not May) that was he would never sign here this offseason. It could be that the team thought Brady looked better than he would at age 40 and became more comfortable. The timing of the article also seems like it has an agenda of trying to disrupt the playoffs right before the playoffs start.
If anyone on the Patriots staff didn't like how Jimmy G was looking, they should be fired immediately because Jimmy G clearly has that special factor. Look at what he did for San Fran.
Ok so I listed 3 reasons and you disagree with 1. Are the other two not believable?
Also interesting to think about this comparison:
Colin Kaepernick last five full games in 2016:
64.6 completion percentage on 164 attempts
1,093 passing yards for 9 TD, 2 INT and passer rating of 96.9
27 rushes for 188 yards and 1 TD
Jimmy Garoppolo last five full games in 2017:
67.1 completion percentage on 176 attempts
1,542 passing yards for 6 TD, 5 INT and passer rating of 94.0
14 rushes for 7 yards and 1 TD
I think Garoppolo could be an excellent player, but he is definitely getting a ton of extra hype from the fact that the 49ers got a streak going with 2 impressive wins and 3 games they may have won anyways (in the final week the Rams start Mannion at qb and Brown at RB).
I think he could very well have a great year next year, but lets not assume he is all-time great just yet.
I saw that garbage stat/argument today. Funny how the article never mentioned that the 49ers got worse every year Kaepernick played. And in those final 6 games, I believe his record was 1-5. Jimmy G started the last 5 games for a 1-10 team and still went 5-0, while taking two snaps or so as a sub in that first game (to come up with their 6 game argument). Also, lost in the argument, is the fact that Kaepernick was already a 5 year starter, while Jimmy G had only started 2 or 3 games previously in his career. Talk about cherry picking stats to try to make an argument.
I wasn't trying to say Jimmy G won't be better than Kapernick, but point out how much of the hype is tied to the record. He definitely deserves lots of credit for a great start, but it would be about half the hype if he was 2-3 or 1-4 and their defense certainly played well at the end of the season. In their win over the bears they won without even getting a touchdown. Against the Texans they went up against a turd sandwich of Savage and Yates. The games against the Rams was against all backups. Would like to see how he performs over the course of the next year before I call him a top ten qb etc as others have started to say.
TP, agree completely. People have jumped the gun entirely - probably out of spite towards the Pats
You guys have got to be kidding me. If Brady was traded to the 49ers instead and went 5-0, you guys would say that is why Brady is the GOAT. The fact of the matter is Jimmy G did go 5-0 on a 1-10 team. He did have end of games drives to put his team in a position to win multiple times. During Brady's four game suspension, the talk around here was the Pats could go 0-4. Amazingly enough, the Pats went 3-1 with apparently two scrubs. To me, that says either Brady's backups were good, or Brady might be the most overrated player in history because anyone could win on the Pats team.
Obviously fans are going to get more excited than they should. It is part of what being a fan is. So yes I agree we would go nuts if Brady came in and went 5-0. (Heck can you imagine what would happen if he came in and led the Patriots to a super bowl in his first season over a team so good it has the nickname greatest show on turf? I can't imagine what it would be like if that had happened.
All that being said, we can also be realistic when talking about other teams and point out that three of the wins came against seth mannion, tj yates and beating trubinskey on only field goals. It calls for a longer view of him to determine he is going to be a great one.
The QB's you listed sound like the AFC East QB's the Pats have faced for the past 10 years or so. BTW, I do like how you conveniently left out the two playoff teams Jimmy G beat, that were still trying to win.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make the argument that he is a great quarterback. He looks like a difference maker, and I'm not sure how many QB's could have went 5-0 on that 49ers team.
Umm no. Yates was the 3rd string qb. Mannion has never thrown a career touchdown in 3 seasons and has 235 yards across 3 seasons. Trubinsky (who i think could eventually be good) has as many career tds and ints and a qbr of 28.
By comparison the maligned Tyrrod Taylor has 14 tds and 4 interceptions and more than twice the QBR. McNown had 18 tds and 9 interceptions and also twice the QBR. Even walking joke Jay Cutler crushes those guys. So your comment is not accurate.
Regarding the two playoff wins they certainly were impressive. The defense probably did win that jags game for them with a pick 6 and two other interception that set them up for two different 20 yard touchdown drives. Jimmy G actually only had 238 yards and an interception (that was a pick 6) in that game.
I do live in the Bay Area, and regrettably the last few years at least, they are sometimes the only game on at 1 pm without NFL Sunday Ticket. So I watched most of these games and can tell you pretty realistically that the reason they went 5-0 was part jimmy g playing well, part defense playing very well, and partly games against terrible teams with backup or third string qbs. I don't really get how that is controversial.
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I laughed pretty hard at this part of the piece:
Guerrero says he received a degree in traditional Chinese medicine from the now-closed Samra University of Oriental Medicine in Los Angeles
Sounds legit.
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I think this was a tough situation for the pats, in a win-win but no-win kind of a way. I think they knew jimmy was good. Of course. Thats why they kept him number 2 on the depth chart. I think belichek wants to win a superbowl every year he coaches, so they kept jimmy as a very good backup as long as they could. I think they also kept him as long as they could in case brady just broke down, then jimmy just slides in. But Brady might win the mvp and wants to play 3 more years. There is no way to keep both beyond this year. So, do you trade jimmy and go all in the next 3 years or do you keep them until the end of the season and cut the GOAT/league mvp/all-franchise player?
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So adding another strange wrinkle is the fact that it appears the Patriots only spoke to the Niners and no other team before trading Jimmy G. The Browns were apparently willing to offer the Houston 1st (and maybe more) and would work with the Pats on finding a back-up QB, but were continually and consistently told Jimmy G wasn't available (one of those calls was 2 days before he was traded).
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2018/01/how_cleveland_browns_were_froz.html#incart_2box
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So adding another strange wrinkle is the fact that it appears the Patriots only spoke to the Niners and no other team before trading Jimmy G. The Browns were apparently willing to offer the Houston 1st (and maybe more) and would work with the Pats on finding a back-up QB, but were continually and consistently told Jimmy G wasn't available (one of those calls was 2 days before he was traded).
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2018/01/how_cleveland_browns_were_froz.html#incart_2box
I’d rather him go to the NFC anyway.
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So adding another strange wrinkle is the fact that it appears the Patriots only spoke to the Niners and no other team before trading Jimmy G. The Browns were apparently willing to offer the Houston 1st (and maybe more) and would work with the Pats on finding a back-up QB, but were continually and consistently told Jimmy G wasn't available (one of those calls was 2 days before he was traded).
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2018/01/how_cleveland_browns_were_froz.html#incart_2box
I’d rather him go to the NFC anyway.
I can see that, but why not at least open the bidding up to other teams if for no other reason then to drive the Niners price up. And of course, is a pick in the 30's with him in the NFC better than the 4th pick in the draft (plus potentially other compensation), which is what Cleveland would have offered.
This just strikes of a last minute not very well thought out decision, which I can't imagine actually came from Bill.
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Belichick was never going to send JG to Cleveland. It's pretty apparent that Belichick held the kid in high regard and was aware of how much of a disaster of an organization Cleveland is. San Fran was a better situation for him. Also, in the NFC.
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Kraft is Red Auerbach.
Belichick is Danny Ainge.
Red refused to trade Bird, McHale and Parish and the team ended up in purgatory. Because Red was emotional.
Kraft is the same way with Brady. Whom he considers one of his sons.
When Kraft made clear to Bill that Jimmy G was not going to replace Tom, Bill pulled a F U by trading him to SF for a relatively poor return; he clearly was worth more than a 2nd round pick in the marketplace.
I hope TB really does play well until he is 45, because that is how long it will take to groom his replacement out of the draft. And that assumes we draft another Jimmy G, not another Ryan Mallett.
Ugh.
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Belichick was never going to send JG to Cleveland. It's pretty apparent that Belichick held the kid in high regard and was aware of how much of a disaster of an organization Cleveland is. San Fran was a better situation for him. Also, in the NFC.
Yeah it seems like Bellichick was torn up and wanted to keep JG and move on from Brady. Really believed in him and wanted him in the NFC and someplace where he had a shot.
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Belichick was never going to send JG to Cleveland. It's pretty apparent that Belichick held the kid in high regard and was aware of how much of a disaster of an organization Cleveland is. San Fran was a better situation for him. Also, in the NFC.
This is just silly. Let's acquire a pick in the 30's rather than a pick in the top 10 plus other assets. That isn't Bill unless he is just being spiteful to Kraft for making him trade Jimmy G. That seems like something Bill would do.
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Belichick was never going to send JG to Cleveland. It's pretty apparent that Belichick held the kid in high regard and was aware of how much of a disaster of an organization Cleveland is. San Fran was a better situation for him. Also, in the NFC.
This is just silly. Let's acquire a pick in the 30's rather than a pick in the top 10 plus other assets. That isn't Bill unless he is just being spiteful to Kraft for making him trade Jimmy G. That seems like something Bill would do.
You might think its silly but its almost certainly true. Hell, even Joe Thomas speculated that was the case.
CLE is a dysfunctional mess. Belichick seemed determined to steer JG to a better situation than that.
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Belichick was never going to send JG to Cleveland. It's pretty apparent that Belichick held the kid in high regard and was aware of how much of a disaster of an organization Cleveland is. San Fran was a better situation for him. Also, in the NFC.
This is just silly. Let's acquire a pick in the 30's rather than a pick in the top 10 plus other assets. That isn't Bill unless he is just being spiteful to Kraft for making him trade Jimmy G. That seems like something Bill would do.
You might think its silly but its almost certainly true. Hell, even Joe Thomas speculated that was the case.
CLE is a dysfunctional mess. Belichick seemed determined to steer JG to a better situation than that.
What did Joe Thomas say? However, yea it wouldn't surprise me if Belechek really likes the kid to not send him to Cleveland. That franchise is becoming a problem for the NFL where the top prospects may stay in school to avoid it. Their losing to the Steelers backups in week 17 was a pretty embarrassment for how far behind the other teams they are.
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Belichick was never going to send JG to Cleveland. It's pretty apparent that Belichick held the kid in high regard and was aware of how much of a disaster of an organization Cleveland is. San Fran was a better situation for him. Also, in the NFC.
This is just silly. Let's acquire a pick in the 30's rather than a pick in the top 10 plus other assets. That isn't Bill unless he is just being spiteful to Kraft for making him trade Jimmy G. That seems like something Bill would do.
You might think its silly but its almost certainly true. Hell, even Joe Thomas speculated that was the case.
CLE is a dysfunctional mess. Belichick seemed determined to steer JG to a better situation than that.
What did Joe Thomas say? However, yea it wouldn't surprise me if Belechek really likes the kid to not send him to Cleveland. That franchise is becoming a problem for the NFL where the top prospects may stay in school to avoid it. Their losing to the Steelers backups in week 17 was a pretty embarrassment for how far behind the other teams they are.
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So he put all this together (and the pressure 2 get rid of Jimmy from his owner) and traded him to the Niners. Now, remaining argument is; was Bill too hasty in the process that he didn’t get fair value for Jimmy. I’d argue he was, due to trade deadline, middle of the season, etc
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Kraft is Red Auerbach.
Belichick is Danny Ainge.
Red refused to trade Bird, McHale and Parish and the team ended up in purgatory. Because Red was emotional.
Kraft is the same way with Brady. Whom he considers one of his sons.
When Kraft made clear to Bill that Jimmy G was not going to replace Tom, Bill pulled a F U by trading him to SF for a relatively poor return; he clearly was worth more than a 2nd round pick in the marketplace.
I hope TB really does play well until he is 45, because that is how long it will take to groom his replacement out of the draft. And that assumes we draft another Jimmy G, not another Ryan Mallett.
Ugh.
There would be an absolute s---storm locally if the Pats ever sent Brady packing. I can see why Kraft would say no - and he pays the bills so ultimately it's his call. Red did mess up in holding onto the Big 3 too long and Danny remembered it. It's a bit ironic too that he was the guy who ultimately shipped out in the Ed Pinkney trade.
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What did Joe Thomas say? However, yea it wouldn't surprise me if Belechek really likes the kid to not send him to Cleveland. That franchise is becoming a problem for the NFL where the top prospects may stay in school to avoid it. Their losing to the Steelers backups in week 17 was a pretty embarrassment for how far behind the other teams they are.
Kid did his job, sat patiently on the bench, and brought home the bacon when he was asked to. What's there not to like?
edit: Also, G10 is one heck of a nickname. Much better than Jimmy GQ.
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Seth Wickersham's espn article "For Kraft, Brady and Belichick, is this the beginning of the end?"
http://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/story/_/page/hotread180105/beginning-end-new-england-patriots-robert-kraft-tom-brady-bill-belichick-internal-power-struggle
Is anyone else sick of the media creating fake news and then running with it? It is well known that outside of New England, the Patriots and Brady are hated because they win. So this writer created a false narrative to feed that hatred and ESPN went all in. No wonder ESPN ratings are going down the tube. Journalism is dead.
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If you think the tension in NE is fake then you are in denial...
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Jimmy G threw 7 TDs and 5 Int's against some of the weakest teams in the NFL this year.
I think he can be a good QB, but I'm not calling him a top 10 QB yet.
Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins, RG13, etc etc were all overhyped at one point.
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If you think the tension in NE is fake then you are in denial...
You really think so? Lame come back. Tell us what part of the article do you think is true? We can have an intelligent discussion.
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If you think the tension in NE is fake then you are in denial...
I am sure there has always been some tension - these guys have been together and been at the top of their respective games since 2000 - but this thing reads like a National Enquirer article. Seriously, the author sounds like he is auditioning his script for a 'Real Hollywood Movie'.
I suppose it's possible these guys don't work it out, but they always have before. Brady is likely the MVP this year and should at least play at Garoppolo's level for another 3-4 years. People may want to trade off Brady for a nice return, but you don't do this to the greats when they want to stay. I am personally glad Bird, Russell, Havlicek, etc never played for another franchise. The PP/KG trade was obviously awesome, but PP still wanted to compete and was ready for the next chapter in his life outside of Boston.
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I get that the national media takes the bait on this BS, but I would think that Pats fans would relax a little bit, considering all of the things that have been said about this franchise over the years.
I will be shocked if Brady/Belichick leave next year, regardless of what was written in this article.
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I believe the Pats traded Garoppolo on October 30. At that time, the 49ers were 0-8. The Browns would have supposedly sent Houston's first round pick, who were 3-4 at the time. I think the day before Deshaun Watson suffered his knee injury, but I'm not certain when it was announced as to the severity of the injury, in relation to the trade deadline. Also, I don't think anyone saw the 49ers going 6-2 to close out their season.
I don't understand this narrative that Bill traded Garoppolo to a situation where he could succeed. The 49ers were a team that has gotten progressively worse since reaching the Super Bowl. Didn't two of their best young players retire too since then? There was an ugly divorce between ownership and their previous coach, Jim Harbaugh. I don't recall any good players on their current roster that anyone would want.
I do agree that the Pats could have possibly gotten a better deal. I'm not sure of the Pats cap situation next season, and I forget how contract terms differ between a first and second round pick. At the time of the trade, that 49ers pick looked like it would have been a top 5 pick in the second round. The Pats could have received a lot more before the last draft, where the new team could have evaluated Jimmy for a whole offseason and had him play for the entire 2017 season. However, I think you have to severely discount a QB's trade value just before the trade deadline, especially for a backup, who had only started two games and was about to become a free agent. The other thing to keep in mind, is that Garoppolo had to learn an entire new offensive play book before he could even see the field, in a short amount of time. I'm sure the playbook was scaled back to help him out, and possibly made the offense more predictable.
The other thing to keep in mind is the amount of power Garoppolo has this offseason in negotiations. He just became the poster boy of hope for 49ers fans, so they want him to stay. So the 49ers have to either franchise him for one year, or sign him to a contract that probably makes him one of the top 10-20 highest paid players in the league.
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So Gronk and Brady have both not only refused to report to the voluntary workouts, neither has said definitively that they will play in 2018-19 and both are reportedly very upset with Bill.
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Frankly, my days of feeling good about being a Patriots fan are kind of over.
Sure, Brady and Gronk might be back, the team might be just as good as last season... and there's a certain allure of watching an all-time great in his prime go to work.
But between the coach throwing the last Superbowl for no apparent reason, and the QB obsessively caring about his social media presence (not to mention repeatedly associating with known quacks such as Guerrero, the Chopras, and Tony Robbins) -- this team just isn't likeable anymore.
Brady, in particular, was a lot easier to stomach when he was a 3-ring quarterback that was all about business, all the time. Truth be told, I was ready to go with the guy that's in SF for 2018...
As far as likeability is concerned, right now to me the Patriots only trail the Red Sox. It's by a sliver, and the Red Sox are climbing fast.
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So Gronk and Brady have both not only refused to report to the voluntary workouts, neither has said definitively that they will play in 2018-19 and both are reportedly very upset with Bill.
It’s a clear power play to change the culture , strip authority from Bill, and allow Brady’s quack trainer back intutge locker room. This is going to get interesting.
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So Gronk and Brady have both not only refused to report to the voluntary workouts, neither has said definitively that they will play in 2018-19 and both are reportedly very upset with Bill.
It’s a clear power play to change the culture , strip authority from Bill, and allow Brady’s quack trainer back intutge locker room. This is going to get interesting.
of course, but it leads a lot more credence to the article in this thread which many on here lambasted as nonsense.
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I sure hope this is simply a “power play” because otherwise that’s a royal screw job by Brady. We would have just kept Jimmy G...
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I sure hope this is simply a “power play” because otherwise that’s a royal screw job by Brady. We would have just kept Jimmy G...
Most teams after winning even one Superbowl kind of implode on their success. Some teams can carry it through a few seasons under a single regime (I am thinking about the 49ers era). The Patriot have been good under the Belichick regime for what, 14 years? I am starting to wonder if this type of breakdown is just inevitable. On it's face though, this is not a big deal, just some possible smoke signals. We can still be good without Gronk. Losing Brady would be a much bigger deal, especially with no Garrapalo (who I think is no better than Alex Smith but still). I predict Brady and Bill will likely work it out (if there is anything to work out). Gronk may get traded. Kenny Britt has a surprising year. We still win the division and make a playoff run.