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Re: Draymond may get suspended
« Reply #150 on: October 14, 2022, 12:35:41 PM »

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I thought Steve Kerr was against violence. I guess he is unless it's against one of his payers. Golden State is full of hypocrites. The Celtics suspended their head coach for a year and no violence was involved. The next time Kerr speaks out against violence I'll realize he's just flapping his gums.

This is probably not the takeaway.

It's easy to talk about doing something about violence but it's another thing to do something when it affects you. Steve Kerr has given all sorts of tearful speeches against violence but when it comes to a situation where he can actually do something he does nothing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlxexKbtLr4

I think it’s possible for someone who a) has been around a lot of fights in 30+ years of pro basketball and b) experienced the murder of his father to view the two completely differently without having a shred of hypocrisy.
Yes....and no.

Kerr saw violence end a life.

If Green's violence was better aimed, he could have ended Poole's life.

Kerr appears to have a difference of opinion based on the end result of the violence. But, violence is violence and so, there is some hypocrisy in his stance. Violence should be punished.

But since, end results do matter, it's understandable he has that difference of opinion on both situations.
Green was punished though.

Green got an undisclosed fine.
Sure, which is basically all a suspension would have done anyway.
Not the same.

I think a 5 game suspension probably would have been about right. That's 5 games he hurts his team's ability to win due to his actions, which is going to hurt him in some eyes in that locker room, which is a penalty. And a 5 game suspension without pay comes to a little under $1.6 million.

I'm pretty sure they didn't find him anywhere near that.

Yea let’s use a little common sense here. Sarver was fined 10 million dollars. The warriors don’t even have the authority to fine him 5 million without a bit battle from the players union.

https://clutchpoints.com/4-biggest-fines-in-nba-history-ranked/amp/

I swear common sense has taken a real dip on this forum this summer. I know there is one guy saying nonsense just for the sake of it, but it’s been more than that.

Quick sidebar: we don't need to be relying on a listicle that doesn't really relate to the subject at hand - think it weakens your point about 'common sense', to be honest.

In fact, it doesn't do any good to look at historic precedent to guesstimate how much Green was fined - the fact is, we won't know, and we can't know, because it's 'undisclosed'. 

What we do know is that the NBA Constitution has a cap on an individual fine from the commissioner to players of $50,000 for 'misconduct'. The fines for people who are not players are on a different scale but  the cap there appears to be $10,000,000 as we saw with Sarver, but interesting  to note that when it happened with Sterling the max was $2.5m, so that's gone up quite a bit.

So we can probably say that the highest fine was 50k. But, it could have been $5. We just don't know.


Note, I'm relying on this hosted copy of the constitution from September 2019:
https://atlhawksfanatic.github.io/NBA-BY-LAWS/constitution.html

because it's easier to search through but you can see the NBA-hosted PDF here:
https://ak-static.cms.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/09/NBA-Constitution-By-Laws-September-2019-1.pdf

If there is a more recent one it would probably sit in the NBA's media hub (https://mediacentral.nba.com/ ) if anyone has the time/effort/energy & credentials to sign up for that.
The Sixers fined Ben Simmons something like 20 million dollars last year.  The teams are not under the same limit that the NBA is.  They are 2 different entities that have different rules and requirements.  This is a point that is continually lost on people.  The league and the team are not the same. 

I'd be surprised if the fine wasn't at least equivalent to 1 game which is around 315k.  I'd guess it was more like 500k.

Yeah fair point -  they'd be held to the relevant parts of the CBA - which is why Simmons & the 76ers entered arbitration. You can look at that on the same github, here:
https://atlhawksfanatic.github.io/NBA-CBA/player-conduct.html

My point is that while I can maintain that Green was fined 5 cents and a half a hot dog and you think it was half a million, we'll never know - but there are better and worse ways to make our guesses.

edit: Also, Simmons technically wasn't fined, if I recall correctly, they just withheld his pay. Not quite the same thing:
https://sports-entertainment.brooklaw.edu/mental-health-and-the-nba-cba-making-sense-of-the-ben-simmons-arbitration/
Under that linked provision directly, assuming the time they made him stay away was treated like a suspension, he missed 2 exhibition games which would automatically trigger 1/145th of his salary for each game or basically 1/72.5 of his total salary, which is around 400k. 

I don't think the idea that he walked away without a substantial fine makes sense to me.  In addition to the fine, he almost certainly isn't getting an extension at this point now, and his brand has clearly been harmed.  Given that Poole is seemingly fine with what the Warriors did, and that a suspension affecting actual games, mostly just hurts the team, I don't have any issue with what they did.  That of course assumes he was hit with a substantial fine.  If he did just get a minor fine, that would change my perspective, but if he got a fairly large dollar fine, then I think it is appropriate.  The only pause I have on this, is if they did hit him with a big fine, that feels like something they should have announced as it would cut off a lot of this speculation, so that does lend a bit of credence to the fact that they didn't fine him that large.  That doesn't make sense to me, but I guess eventually that number is leaked out.
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