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Re: Manchin - Schumer Inflation Reduction Act
« Reply #135 on: August 13, 2022, 11:10:08 AM »

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87,000 Brand New IRS agents coming in this new budget---YAY, way to go DemocRATS~!
I seem to detect sarcasm, so will ask: Why is 87,000 more IRS agents looking to make sure everyone is legally paying their taxes a bad thing? There is so much tax fraud and people who don't pay what they should, I think those extra agents will easily recoup the money spent on them.

History has shown us a thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies - be it staff, money, offices, equipment, laws, whatever - does not increase their effectiveness. It only adds to the drain of more resources and leads to less and less efficient operations. This, of course, leads to lower results than anticipated and promised.

So ....... what is the liberal response to such failures ? Add even more staff, money, locations, equipment and legislation. The erroneous thought process being, "We just didn't spend enough resources, so let's spend even more next time and these bureaucracies will eventually produce the results that we want. This fallacy almost never works, it just results in more waste.

Exactly...Dems=More Taxes....more waste

That is not what History has shown us.

Yes, you can cite thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies does not increase effectiveness, and someone else can cite thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies solved legitimate government responsibilities effectively.

Sometimes, areas of government do need to grow. Sometimes they don't. You mock the idea that the only liberal response is to add more? It is equally stupid for the only response to be to never add more.

Doing things only one way or the other is to deny any value in rational management.

One of the biggest problems we have is that divided government, particularly since Reagan declared government to be the problem, has actively worked to make initiatives by the other side not work on purpose. The IRS is hyper-inefficient because Congress has engaged in a war over its resources and its methods that is never resolved. We often have one side trying to ruin what the other side is trying to do. We never find out whether many ideas were any good because we refuse to commit to them.

This is why we can't have nice things.



Aways reduce new party backed laws to the common denominator.

Its simply a matter of time before those agents are turned against the middle-class. They'll first check Party affiliation and then push through the doors of your home. They'll demand paperwork that you either can't produce or force you to hire an attorney at a-grand-an-hour to defend. Either way, say goodbye to the ole' homestead.

Because when push comes to shove NOBODY WANTS TO LOSE A WELL PAYING IRS GIG for not being underutilized. They'll investigate their grandma if it means keeping the job!

This is the reason our forefathers added the second amendment. The reason is protection from Government infringement. Just like this.

We have a building mental health crisis in this Country for numerous reasons. Folks... young and old feel helpless, they feel the deck is stacked against them. Inflation is crazy, runaway capitalism is evident at all levels, and its IRS decisions like this that will exacerbate those feelings.

I don't like Trump either, he was always the wrong person for the job... but I can read between the lines and this IRS crap is just the beginning. Soon the IRS will be a beholding  branch of the Left just like the FBI.


Re: Manchin - Schumer Inflation Reduction Act
« Reply #136 on: August 13, 2022, 12:01:15 PM »

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Government infringement... like actually having to pay your taxes?

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Re: Manchin - Schumer Inflation Reduction Act
« Reply #137 on: August 13, 2022, 12:30:42 PM »

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40 years of filling out tax returns. Paid a bunch of taxes. Got a lot of tax return money. Always filled them out truthfully and accurately. Never once heard from the IRS.

If you are doing your taxes this way, you have nothing to be afraid about regarding tens of thousands of more people working at the IRS. They aren't coming for you.

Re: Manchin - Schumer Inflation Reduction Act
« Reply #138 on: August 13, 2022, 02:45:02 PM »

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40 years of filling out tax returns. Paid a bunch of taxes. Got a lot of tax return money. Always filled them out truthfully and accurately. Never once heard from the IRS.

If you are doing your taxes this way, you have nothing to be afraid about regarding tens of thousands of more people working at the IRS. They aren't coming for you.

I believe this to be true.  I’m the same - 40+ years and never a problem - except when a tax preparer made an error. IRS was actually reachable and reasonable. Being honest and keeping your records is key - and it helps not having very complicated returns.  An audit would still be a pain in the butt though.  There is no doubt that tax fraud costs America far mor than welfare fraud, so I want them to find it.
Tend not to hear that complaint from the right too much though.

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Re: Manchin - Schumer Inflation Reduction Act
« Reply #139 on: August 13, 2022, 02:49:50 PM »

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87,000 Brand New IRS agents coming in this new budget---YAY, way to go DemocRATS~!
I seem to detect sarcasm, so will ask: Why is 87,000 more IRS agents looking to make sure everyone is legally paying their taxes a bad thing? There is so much tax fraud and people who don't pay what they should, I think those extra agents will easily recoup the money spent on them.

History has shown us a thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies - be it staff, money, offices, equipment, laws, whatever - does not increase their effectiveness. It only adds to the drain of more resources and leads to less and less efficient operations. This, of course, leads to lower results than anticipated and promised.

So ....... what is the liberal response to such failures ? Add even more staff, money, locations, equipment and legislation. The erroneous thought process being, "We just didn't spend enough resources, so let's spend even more next time and these bureaucracies will eventually produce the results that we want. This fallacy almost never works, it just results in more waste.

Exactly...Dems=More Taxes....more waste

That is not what History has shown us.

Yes, you can cite thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies does not increase effectiveness, and someone else can cite thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies solved legitimate government responsibilities effectively.

Sometimes, areas of government do need to grow. Sometimes they don't. You mock the idea that the only liberal response is to add more? It is equally stupid for the only response to be to never add more.

Doing things only one way or the other is to deny any value in rational management.

One of the biggest problems we have is that divided government, particularly since Reagan declared government to be the problem, has actively worked to make initiatives by the other side not work on purpose. The IRS is hyper-inefficient because Congress has engaged in a war over its resources and its methods that is never resolved. We often have one side trying to ruin what the other side is trying to do. We never find out whether many ideas were any good because we refuse to commit to them.

This is why we can't have nice things.



Aways reduce new party backed laws to the common denominator.

Its simply a matter of time before those agents are turned against the middle-class. They'll first check Party affiliation and then push through the doors of your home. They'll demand paperwork that you either can't produce or force you to hire an attorney at a-grand-an-hour to defend. Either way, say goodbye to the ole' homestead.

Because when push comes to shove NOBODY WANTS TO LOSE A WELL PAYING IRS GIG for not being underutilized. They'll investigate their grandma if it means keeping the job!

This is the reason our forefathers added the second amendment. The reason is protection from Government infringement. Just like this.

We have a building mental health crisis in this Country for numerous reasons. Folks... young and old feel helpless, they feel the deck is stacked against them. Inflation is crazy, runaway capitalism is evident at all levels, and its IRS decisions like this that will exacerbate those feelings.

I don't like Trump either, he was always the wrong person for the job... but I can read between the lines and this IRS crap is just the beginning. Soon the IRS will be a beholding  branch of the Left just like the FBI.

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Re: Manchin - Schumer Inflation Reduction Act
« Reply #140 on: August 13, 2022, 03:58:41 PM »

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87,000 Brand New IRS agents coming in this new budget---YAY, way to go DemocRATS~!
I seem to detect sarcasm, so will ask: Why is 87,000 more IRS agents looking to make sure everyone is legally paying their taxes a bad thing? There is so much tax fraud and people who don't pay what they should, I think those extra agents will easily recoup the money spent on them.

History has shown us a thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies - be it staff, money, offices, equipment, laws, whatever - does not increase their effectiveness. It only adds to the drain of more resources and leads to less and less efficient operations. This, of course, leads to lower results than anticipated and promised.

So ....... what is the liberal response to such failures ? Add even more staff, money, locations, equipment and legislation. The erroneous thought process being, "We just didn't spend enough resources, so let's spend even more next time and these bureaucracies will eventually produce the results that we want. This fallacy almost never works, it just results in more waste.

Exactly...Dems=More Taxes....more waste

That is not what History has shown us.

Yes, you can cite thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies does not increase effectiveness, and someone else can cite thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies solved legitimate government responsibilities effectively.

Sometimes, areas of government do need to grow. Sometimes they don't. You mock the idea that the only liberal response is to add more? It is equally stupid for the only response to be to never add more.

Doing things only one way or the other is to deny any value in rational management.

One of the biggest problems we have is that divided government, particularly since Reagan declared government to be the problem, has actively worked to make initiatives by the other side not work on purpose. The IRS is hyper-inefficient because Congress has engaged in a war over its resources and its methods that is never resolved. We often have one side trying to ruin what the other side is trying to do. We never find out whether many ideas were any good because we refuse to commit to them.

This is why we can't have nice things.



Aways reduce new party backed laws to the common denominator.

Its simply a matter of time before those agents are turned against the middle-class. They'll first check Party affiliation and then push through the doors of your home. They'll demand paperwork that you either can't produce or force you to hire an attorney at a-grand-an-hour to defend. Either way, say goodbye to the ole' homestead.

Because when push comes to shove NOBODY WANTS TO LOSE A WELL PAYING IRS GIG for not being underutilized. They'll investigate their grandma if it means keeping the job!

This is the reason our forefathers added the second amendment. The reason is protection from Government infringement. Just like this.

We have a building mental health crisis in this Country for numerous reasons. Folks... young and old feel helpless, they feel the deck is stacked against them. Inflation is crazy, runaway capitalism is evident at all levels, and its IRS decisions like this that will exacerbate those feelings.

I don't like Trump either, he was always the wrong person for the job... but I can read between the lines and this IRS crap is just the beginning. Soon the IRS will be a beholding  branch of the Left just like the FBI.

Capitalism and inequality are stretched thin right now. Upward mobility has plateaued and the middle class is frustrated.

That said, 2nd amendment to protect you from the liberal IRS and FBI storming your house, based on political leanings? That's just channeling your frustrations into dangerous delusions.

Re: Manchin - Schumer Inflation Reduction Act
« Reply #141 on: August 13, 2022, 07:17:59 PM »

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87,000 Brand New IRS agents coming in this new budget---YAY, way to go DemocRATS~!
I seem to detect sarcasm, so will ask: Why is 87,000 more IRS agents looking to make sure everyone is legally paying their taxes a bad thing? There is so much tax fraud and people who don't pay what they should, I think those extra agents will easily recoup the money spent on them.

History has shown us a thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies - be it staff, money, offices, equipment, laws, whatever - does not increase their effectiveness. It only adds to the drain of more resources and leads to less and less efficient operations. This, of course, leads to lower results than anticipated and promised.

So ....... what is the liberal response to such failures ? Add even more staff, money, locations, equipment and legislation. The erroneous thought process being, "We just didn't spend enough resources, so let's spend even more next time and these bureaucracies will eventually produce the results that we want. This fallacy almost never works, it just results in more waste.

Exactly...Dems=More Taxes....more waste

That is not what History has shown us.

Yes, you can cite thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies does not increase effectiveness, and someone else can cite thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies solved legitimate government responsibilities effectively.

Sometimes, areas of government do need to grow. Sometimes they don't. You mock the idea that the only liberal response is to add more? It is equally stupid for the only response to be to never add more.

Doing things only one way or the other is to deny any value in rational management.

One of the biggest problems we have is that divided government, particularly since Reagan declared government to be the problem, has actively worked to make initiatives by the other side not work on purpose. The IRS is hyper-inefficient because Congress has engaged in a war over its resources and its methods that is never resolved. We often have one side trying to ruin what the other side is trying to do. We never find out whether many ideas were any good because we refuse to commit to them.

This is why we can't have nice things.



Aways reduce new party backed laws to the common denominator.

Its simply a matter of time before those agents are turned against the middle-class. They'll first check Party affiliation and then push through the doors of your home. They'll demand paperwork that you either can't produce or force you to hire an attorney at a-grand-an-hour to defend. Either way, say goodbye to the ole' homestead.

Because when push comes to shove NOBODY WANTS TO LOSE A WELL PAYING IRS GIG for not being underutilized. They'll investigate their grandma if it means keeping the job!

This is the reason our forefathers added the second amendment. The reason is protection from Government infringement. Just like this.

We have a building mental health crisis in this Country for numerous reasons. Folks... young and old feel helpless, they feel the deck is stacked against them. Inflation is crazy, runaway capitalism is evident at all levels, and its IRS decisions like this that will exacerbate those feelings.

I don't like Trump either, he was always the wrong person for the job... but I can read between the lines and this IRS crap is just the beginning. Soon the IRS will be a beholding  branch of the Left just like the FBI.

Capitalism and inequality are stretched thin right now. Upward mobility has plateaued and the middle class is frustrated.

That said, 2nd amendment to protect you from the liberal IRS and FBI storming your house, based on political leanings? That's just channeling your frustrations into dangerous delusions.
Upward mobility plateaued?  There are approximately 22 million millionaires in the U.S. and that number keeps growing.  That's almost 9% of the adult population.  The middle class has shrunk but that it more so because of people moving up to upper income than moving down to lower income. 
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Re: Manchin - Schumer Inflation Reduction Act
« Reply #142 on: August 14, 2022, 04:36:37 AM »

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87,000 Brand New IRS agents coming in this new budget---YAY, way to go DemocRATS~!
I seem to detect sarcasm, so will ask: Why is 87,000 more IRS agents looking to make sure everyone is legally paying their taxes a bad thing? There is so much tax fraud and people who don't pay what they should, I think those extra agents will easily recoup the money spent on them.

History has shown us a thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies - be it staff, money, offices, equipment, laws, whatever - does not increase their effectiveness. It only adds to the drain of more resources and leads to less and less efficient operations. This, of course, leads to lower results than anticipated and promised.

So ....... what is the liberal response to such failures ? Add even more staff, money, locations, equipment and legislation. The erroneous thought process being, "We just didn't spend enough resources, so let's spend even more next time and these bureaucracies will eventually produce the results that we want. This fallacy almost never works, it just results in more waste.

Exactly...Dems=More Taxes....more waste

That is not what History has shown us.

Yes, you can cite thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies does not increase effectiveness, and someone else can cite thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies solved legitimate government responsibilities effectively.

Sometimes, areas of government do need to grow. Sometimes they don't. You mock the idea that the only liberal response is to add more? It is equally stupid for the only response to be to never add more.

Doing things only one way or the other is to deny any value in rational management.

One of the biggest problems we have is that divided government, particularly since Reagan declared government to be the problem, has actively worked to make initiatives by the other side not work on purpose. The IRS is hyper-inefficient because Congress has engaged in a war over its resources and its methods that is never resolved. We often have one side trying to ruin what the other side is trying to do. We never find out whether many ideas were any good because we refuse to commit to them.

This is why we can't have nice things.



Aways reduce new party backed laws to the common denominator.

Its simply a matter of time before those agents are turned against the middle-class. They'll first check Party affiliation and then push through the doors of your home. They'll demand paperwork that you either can't produce or force you to hire an attorney at a-grand-an-hour to defend. Either way, say goodbye to the ole' homestead.

Because when push comes to shove NOBODY WANTS TO LOSE A WELL PAYING IRS GIG for not being underutilized. They'll investigate their grandma if it means keeping the job!

This is the reason our forefathers added the second amendment. The reason is protection from Government infringement. Just like this.

We have a building mental health crisis in this Country for numerous reasons. Folks... young and old feel helpless, they feel the deck is stacked against them. Inflation is crazy, runaway capitalism is evident at all levels, and its IRS decisions like this that will exacerbate those feelings.

I don't like Trump either, he was always the wrong person for the job... but I can read between the lines and this IRS crap is just the beginning. Soon the IRS will be a beholding  branch of the Left just like the FBI.

Capitalism and inequality are stretched thin right now. Upward mobility has plateaued and the middle class is frustrated.

That said, 2nd amendment to protect you from the liberal IRS and FBI storming your house, based on political leanings? That's just channeling your frustrations into dangerous delusions.
Upward mobility plateaued?  There are approximately 22 million millionaires in the U.S. and that number keeps growing.  That's almost 9% of the adult population.  The middle class has shrunk but that it more so because of people moving up to upper income than moving down to lower income.
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Re: Manchin - Schumer Inflation Reduction Act
« Reply #143 on: August 14, 2022, 06:47:26 AM »

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87,000 Brand New IRS agents coming in this new budget---YAY, way to go DemocRATS~!
I seem to detect sarcasm, so will ask: Why is 87,000 more IRS agents looking to make sure everyone is legally paying their taxes a bad thing? There is so much tax fraud and people who don't pay what they should, I think those extra agents will easily recoup the money spent on them.

History has shown us a thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies - be it staff, money, offices, equipment, laws, whatever - does not increase their effectiveness. It only adds to the drain of more resources and leads to less and less efficient operations. This, of course, leads to lower results than anticipated and promised.

So ....... what is the liberal response to such failures ? Add even more staff, money, locations, equipment and legislation. The erroneous thought process being, "We just didn't spend enough resources, so let's spend even more next time and these bureaucracies will eventually produce the results that we want. This fallacy almost never works, it just results in more waste.

Exactly...Dems=More Taxes....more waste

That is not what History has shown us.

Yes, you can cite thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies does not increase effectiveness, and someone else can cite thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies solved legitimate government responsibilities effectively.

Sometimes, areas of government do need to grow. Sometimes they don't. You mock the idea that the only liberal response is to add more? It is equally stupid for the only response to be to never add more.

Doing things only one way or the other is to deny any value in rational management.

One of the biggest problems we have is that divided government, particularly since Reagan declared government to be the problem, has actively worked to make initiatives by the other side not work on purpose. The IRS is hyper-inefficient because Congress has engaged in a war over its resources and its methods that is never resolved. We often have one side trying to ruin what the other side is trying to do. We never find out whether many ideas were any good because we refuse to commit to them.

This is why we can't have nice things.



Aways reduce new party backed laws to the common denominator.

Its simply a matter of time before those agents are turned against the middle-class. They'll first check Party affiliation and then push through the doors of your home. They'll demand paperwork that you either can't produce or force you to hire an attorney at a-grand-an-hour to defend. Either way, say goodbye to the ole' homestead.

Because when push comes to shove NOBODY WANTS TO LOSE A WELL PAYING IRS GIG for not being underutilized. They'll investigate their grandma if it means keeping the job!

This is the reason our forefathers added the second amendment. The reason is protection from Government infringement. Just like this.

We have a building mental health crisis in this Country for numerous reasons. Folks... young and old feel helpless, they feel the deck is stacked against them. Inflation is crazy, runaway capitalism is evident at all levels, and its IRS decisions like this that will exacerbate those feelings.

I don't like Trump either, he was always the wrong person for the job... but I can read between the lines and this IRS crap is just the beginning. Soon the IRS will be a beholding  branch of the Left just like the FBI.

Capitalism and inequality are stretched thin right now. Upward mobility has plateaued and the middle class is frustrated.

That said, 2nd amendment to protect you from the liberal IRS and FBI storming your house, based on political leanings? That's just channeling your frustrations into dangerous delusions.
Upward mobility plateaued?  There are approximately 22 million millionaires in the U.S. and that number keeps growing.  That's almost 9% of the adult population.  The middle class has shrunk but that it more so because of people moving up to upper income than moving down to lower income.
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There's always been wealth inequality and it doesn't mean there's not upward mobility.  The US is still one of the best countries to be able to go from poor to rich.  Of course, rich Americans are going to keep on getting richer and there's nothing wrong with that.  Do you want Americans to be less rich so there will be less inequality?

Unless you're a communist why is wealth equality good?  Why shouldn't those who work hard, work smart, invest well, etc get ahead economically? 
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Re: Manchin - Schumer Inflation Reduction Act
« Reply #144 on: August 14, 2022, 07:57:56 AM »

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87,000 Brand New IRS agents coming in this new budget---YAY, way to go DemocRATS~!
I seem to detect sarcasm, so will ask: Why is 87,000 more IRS agents looking to make sure everyone is legally paying their taxes a bad thing? There is so much tax fraud and people who don't pay what they should, I think those extra agents will easily recoup the money spent on them.

History has shown us a thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies - be it staff, money, offices, equipment, laws, whatever - does not increase their effectiveness. It only adds to the drain of more resources and leads to less and less efficient operations. This, of course, leads to lower results than anticipated and promised.

So ....... what is the liberal response to such failures ? Add even more staff, money, locations, equipment and legislation. The erroneous thought process being, "We just didn't spend enough resources, so let's spend even more next time and these bureaucracies will eventually produce the results that we want. This fallacy almost never works, it just results in more waste.

Exactly...Dems=More Taxes....more waste

That is not what History has shown us.

Yes, you can cite thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies does not increase effectiveness, and someone else can cite thousand times over that adding to government bureaucracies solved legitimate government responsibilities effectively.

Sometimes, areas of government do need to grow. Sometimes they don't. You mock the idea that the only liberal response is to add more? It is equally stupid for the only response to be to never add more.

Doing things only one way or the other is to deny any value in rational management.

One of the biggest problems we have is that divided government, particularly since Reagan declared government to be the problem, has actively worked to make initiatives by the other side not work on purpose. The IRS is hyper-inefficient because Congress has engaged in a war over its resources and its methods that is never resolved. We often have one side trying to ruin what the other side is trying to do. We never find out whether many ideas were any good because we refuse to commit to them.

This is why we can't have nice things.



Aways reduce new party backed laws to the common denominator.

Its simply a matter of time before those agents are turned against the middle-class. They'll first check Party affiliation and then push through the doors of your home. They'll demand paperwork that you either can't produce or force you to hire an attorney at a-grand-an-hour to defend. Either way, say goodbye to the ole' homestead.

Because when push comes to shove NOBODY WANTS TO LOSE A WELL PAYING IRS GIG for not being underutilized. They'll investigate their grandma if it means keeping the job!

This is the reason our forefathers added the second amendment. The reason is protection from Government infringement. Just like this.

We have a building mental health crisis in this Country for numerous reasons. Folks... young and old feel helpless, they feel the deck is stacked against them. Inflation is crazy, runaway capitalism is evident at all levels, and its IRS decisions like this that will exacerbate those feelings.

I don't like Trump either, he was always the wrong person for the job... but I can read between the lines and this IRS crap is just the beginning. Soon the IRS will be a beholding  branch of the Left just like the FBI.

Capitalism and inequality are stretched thin right now. Upward mobility has plateaued and the middle class is frustrated.

That said, 2nd amendment to protect you from the liberal IRS and FBI storming your house, based on political leanings? That's just channeling your frustrations into dangerous delusions.
Upward mobility plateaued?  There are approximately 22 million millionaires in the U.S. and that number keeps growing.  That's almost 9% of the adult population.  The middle class has shrunk but that it more so because of people moving up to upper income than moving down to lower income.
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There's always been wealth inequality and it doesn't mean there's not upward mobility.  The US is still one of the best countries to be able to go from poor to rich.  Of course, rich Americans are going to keep on getting richer and there's nothing wrong with that.  Do you want Americans to be less rich so there will be less inequality?

Unless you're a communist why is wealth equality good?  Why shouldn't those who work hard, work smart, invest well, etc get ahead economically?

You left out the most important elements to getting (further) ahead - having money in the first place and access to opportunities.   So you’re right, in a capitalistic society there should always be pathways to accumulating wealth - and all the elements you cited should matter. The “American Dream” element suggests that we assure that pathways to upward mobility exist for those who don’t start out with wealth or access to opportunities.  This means addressing social barriers like racial/ethnic/gender discrimination and the reality that who you know, who/what you have access to, who you are related to (etc) should not be the sole determining factors regarding opportunity for increased wealth.

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« Reply #145 on: August 14, 2022, 11:22:18 AM »

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Going a bit further than NG it's been shown in a few different studies across a few different countries that wealth, rather than acumen or intelligence, is a stronger indicator of future success.

Given that the plural of anecdote is data, we should be a bit wary of big sweeping claims either way, but if you truly believe in meritocracy, rather than paying it lip service, it would seem to make sense to favour levelling the playing field so that the best and brightest can actually rise to the top.
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« Reply #146 on: August 14, 2022, 03:05:23 PM »

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Going a bit further than NG it's been shown in a few different studies across a few different countries that wealth, rather than acumen or intelligence, is a stronger indicator of future success.

Given that the plural of anecdote is data, we should be a bit wary of big sweeping claims either way, but if you truly believe in meritocracy, rather than paying it lip service, it would seem to make sense to favour levelling the playing field so that the best and brightest can actually rise to the top.
It’s kind of an interesting dilemma to simultaneously love meritocracy and hate leveling the playing field.  It’s a capitalism v. socialism conundrum that America plays out decade after decade. Usually it lands somewhere in the middle since most Americans place value in both equity (fairness; opportunity) AND meritocracy.  Right now we are in a battle of extreme rhetoric and it sure is ugly.

Re: Manchin - Schumer Inflation Reduction Act
« Reply #147 on: August 18, 2022, 09:46:34 AM »

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Again, more reports that the idea that this will lead to more IRS audits for regular folks is not true:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/treasury-department-rejects-gop-claims-irs-agents/story?id=88495613

It’s fear mongering by Republicans

Re: Manchin - Schumer Inflation Reduction Act
« Reply #148 on: August 18, 2022, 10:00:23 AM »

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Again, more reports that the idea that this will lead to more IRS audits for regular folks is not true:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/treasury-department-rejects-gop-claims-irs-agents/story?id=88495613

It’s fear mongering by Republicans

Where in the bill does it say that?  What promises being made are actually binding, now or in the future?


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Re: Manchin - Schumer Inflation Reduction Act
« Reply #149 on: August 18, 2022, 10:12:31 AM »

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Again, more reports that the idea that this will lead to more IRS audits for regular folks is not true:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/treasury-department-rejects-gop-claims-irs-agents/story?id=88495613

It’s fear mongering by Republicans

Where in the bill does it say that?  What promises being made are actually binding, now or in the future?

I think you are correct that it will be more internal policy decisions than the bill itself that will determine who gets audited. For now the rhetoric seems to be focused on higher earners but of course that doesn’t seem etched in stone.  I didn’t know before reading this article that about 50,000 of the ‘new’ IRS agents will replace existing agents that will be lost to attrition.  So talking about a net increase of about 25,000 as opposed to 87,000.