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Re: Time Lord (Unpopular Opinion)
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2022, 09:20:10 PM »

Offline colincb

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Where there's an appreciable difference over the last 3 years, the advanced stats favor TL (Anunoby's first two years sucked as did TL's rookie year, and all are excluded below).

OGA vs TL
Advanced Stats
PER 14 vs 23
TS% 58 vs 73
TRB% 9 vs 18
BLK% 2 vs 8
ORtg  113 vs 143
DRtg 109 vs 103

Overall Adjusted +/-

RAPTOR 1.4 vs 2.6
EPM 1.9 vs 2.0
REAL +/- 1.0 vs 1.8

From my review of the stats, I'd say that Anunoby's strength is defense and he's nothing special offensively as witnessed by his PER and in the Adjusted +/- stats.

If we did this deal we'd pay Anunoby an average of $6.8 million more per year for the next three years for a 6'7 SF (the same position the Js share). He's averaged 6 more games played per year over the last 3 years than TL.

Anunoby's a good player, but TL is a unicorn. I would not do this deal.

Re: Time Lord (Unpopular Opinion)
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2022, 09:22:46 PM »

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Iím not worried about sell high or whatever.  What I want to know is what is the expected return.  My guess is the fans wish loaf would be pie in the sky type stuff.  Rob has value but heís not the centerpiece for a star trade.

Re: Time Lord (Unpopular Opinion)
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2022, 09:37:22 PM »

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Imagine if the Sixers had felt the same way and dumped Embiid early on. After all, he will never stay healthy!

Re: Time Lord (Unpopular Opinion)
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2022, 09:48:25 PM »

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Imagine if the Sixers had felt the same way and dumped Embiid early on. After all, he will never stay healthy!
Apples and oranges. Embiid can create his own shot. He's a legit MVP-level talent. Timelord cannot put the ball on the floor to save his life. He's elite at what he does well but he's a rim runner, hence a role player.

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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2022, 09:51:57 PM »

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Sell high is Al Jefferson for Kevin Garnett.

Timelord for borderline All-Stars or less, who make 2-3x as much, with similar talents available for our TPE sounds awful to me...

Re: Time Lord (Unpopular Opinion)
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2022, 01:43:48 AM »

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Even I would no longer dare suggest trading Timelord. Come on. When it comes to bigs, thereís Jokic, Embiid and then, yep, thereís Timelord. Heís that good. Heís surpassed KAT and AD, as far as Iím concerned. Anybody who watches our games can see how dominant our D is with him when heís healthy compared to when heís out. You literally do not trade him unless somehow Jokic or Embiid became available (their D is not comparable, but overall they are better and at the margin we would be better with them compared to Timelord). You just do not.

What the team ought to do is spend millions giving Timelord the best care and nutrition team possible. Heck, pay Tom Brady whatever it takes to get him to talk to Timelord for a couple hours about how itís done. Whatever it takes to get the guy conditioned and ready to stay on the court. And let him stay off the court the remainder of calendar year 2022. Give him a ton of time and resources to become 100% such that he can stay 100%. People wanna talk about a Big 3, well, Timelord is positioned to be that true number two to JT. Defensive player of the year. All-NBA. Those could be in the cards for this talented young man and weíve got him secured on a bargain contract for four years. Brilliant, Brad! In Brad we trust.
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Re: Time Lord (Unpopular Opinion)
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2022, 01:57:26 AM »

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Torn.

I think heís a very important piece of our defense.  However, if we could acquire Noel (for instance) to do a decent impression of Rob defensively while trading Rob to significantly upgrade our roster elsewhere, Iíd listen. 

It would have to be a knockout offer though - Iím talking about a star-caliber acquisition.  I donít view Rob as untradeable but I do value him highly.

This is a reasonable idea. I mean, if we get Noel with a TPE, maybe we see what kind of all-star wing or guard we can get for Timelord. Maybe a move like that gets us over the hump. But it would have to be a two-way all-star in his 20s or 31/30 at most.
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Re: Time Lord (Unpopular Opinion)
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2022, 02:00:04 AM »

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Imagine if the Sixers had felt the same way and dumped Embiid early on. After all, he will never stay healthy!
Apples and oranges. Embiid can create his own shot. He's a legit MVP-level talent. Timelord cannot put the ball on the floor to save his life. He's elite at what he does well but he's a rim runner, hence a role player.

Are you watching the same games as me? When Timelord and everyone else is 100% healthy (both of our top defenders were playing injured in the Finals), we have perhaps the best defense of all-time. When Timelord is not healthy, we take a large drop.

Re: Time Lord (Unpopular Opinion)
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2022, 03:40:44 AM »

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His contract doesn't expire for years. Weird concern

Right now, RobW's talent outshines his health problems, specifically because of the season he just had. If you wait another year or two to move him and he continues to have injury problems, his health will become the bigger issue.

"So what if he has all that talent if we can't keep him on the floor" will be the the league-wide perception.
Celts get more back right now than if they were negotiating from weakness, two more injury-prone seasons from now.

I've heard he is a team-first guy and his abilities are just now starting to blossom. I love having all these home-grown players and would really like to see Rob stay and be a long-term success. Has there been any explanation as to why he has so many physical breakdowns ? Is there a physiological explanation and can it be medically addressed ?
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Re: Time Lord (Unpopular Opinion)
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2022, 08:20:18 AM »

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Even I would no longer dare suggest trading Timelord. Come on. When it comes to bigs, thereís Jokic, Embiid and then, yep, thereís Timelord. Heís that good. Heís surpassed KAT and AD, as far as Iím concerned. Anybody who watches our games can see how dominant our D is with him when heís healthy compared to when heís out. You literally do not trade him unless somehow Jokic or Embiid became available (their D is not comparable, but overall they are better and at the margin we would be better with them compared to Timelord). You just do not.

What the team ought to do is spend millions giving Timelord the best care and nutrition team possible. Heck, pay Tom Brady whatever it takes to get him to talk to Timelord for a couple hours about how itís done. Whatever it takes to get the guy conditioned and ready to stay on the court. And let him stay off the court the remainder of calendar year 2022. Give him a ton of time and resources to become 100% such that he can stay 100%. People wanna talk about a Big 3, well, Timelord is positioned to be that true number two to JT. Defensive player of the year. All-NBA. Those could be in the cards for this talented young man and weíve got him secured on a bargain contract for four years. Brilliant, Brad! In Brad we trust.
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Re: Time Lord (Unpopular Opinion)
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2022, 10:45:48 AM »

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I'm concerned about his health as well.  But he's so good when he's healthy, I think he's worth the risk.  I would not trade him for anything I think we could get for him.

Re: Time Lord (Unpopular Opinion)
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2022, 10:51:36 AM »

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Timelord is pretty unbelievable as a talent. But his playstyle makes it seem like his career wonít be a long one. We need to conserve his minutes and this means Theis really needs to buy us a lot of minutes during the regular season.
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