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Other Discussions => Other / General Sports => Red Sox / MLB => Topic started by: rocknrollforyoursoul on December 06, 2016, 01:46:33 PM
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The Sox just traded for Sale. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/red-sox-to-acquire-chris-sale.html)
Let's hope this Sale isn't as costly as the Price they paid last winter. Bad joke, I know ... ;D
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Oh wow!!!
I like this. I like this a lot.
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Sale. Porcello. Price.
That's pretty solid. Plus, you're getting one of the best contracts in baseball.
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Sale. Porcello. Price.
That's pretty solid. Plus, you're getting one of the best contracts in baseball.
Well, a lot of us thought Price-Porcello-Rodriguez would be solid, and look at how that turned out. Here's hoping to something better.
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Sale. Porcello. Price.
That's pretty solid. Plus, you're getting one of the best contracts in baseball.
Well, a lot of us thought Price-Porcello-Rodriguez would be solid, and look at how that turned out. Here's hoping to something better.
Sale is in an absolutely different stratosphere as Rodriguez. He is a legit ace and anchor.
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Losing moncado hurts a bit
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Losing moncado hurts a bit
A bit, though he's still only a prospect, whereas Sale is a proven commodity. The aspect of this trade—along with the Shaw trade—that I dislike is that the Sox are basically handing the starting 3B job to a guy who last year showed up very overweight and played terribly, and as of now has zero competition.
Sale. Porcello. Price.
That's pretty solid. Plus, you're getting one of the best contracts in baseball.
Well, a lot of us thought Price-Porcello-Rodriguez would be solid, and look at how that turned out. Here's hoping to something better.
Sale is in an absolutely different stratosphere as Rodriguez. He is a legit ace and anchor.
You're absolutely right. I wasn't trying to directly compare those two, but making the point that last year we all thought about Price what we're all probably thinking right now about Sale, and look at the struggles Price went through. Hopefully Price improves and Sale doesn't have those struggles.
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Could we get any value for Drew Pomeranz? That would be swell.
Mike
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Say what you want about them, but this current regime takes action. Now they need to find a legit replacement for Big Papi.
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reactions and analyses here:
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/chris-sale-to-boston-for-moncada-kopech-2-prospects.16930/page-4
big win for the sox. Sale is great and has been great for 5 years. last 5 years has been an all star each year. finished top 6 in the cy young award race.
giving up moncada hurts, but who knows if he will ever hit the major league curve ball? (30% K rate, ouch.)
kopech might be great, might be a reliever, might be nothing. really hard to judge from AA.
diaz and basabe are lottery tickets, toss in players.
the sox look good for the next 3-4 years. lots of young talent and all signed.
As of now, the top prospects (per Soxprospects) left in the Sox system are:
Devers
Groome
Travis
Johnson
Dalbec
Chatham
Ockimey
A lot thinner than it was, but there are still a few good prospects. And for me, the point of the minor league has always been to provide talent for the major league club - either through promoting good talent or enabling trades for it.
I did not include Benentendi or Hernandez since they are already in Boston.
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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.
Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
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Finally.
Between Sale, Price, and Porcello, the Sox should be able to get a quality start in the playoffs.
Big question now is: how do they replace Ortiz?
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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.
Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.
and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.
moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
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Finally.
Between Sale, Price, and Porcello, the Sox should be able to get a quality start in the playoffs.
Big question now is: how do they replace Ortiz?
I would imagine they have to ante up and sign Encarnacion or else all this pitching is wasted.
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Finally.
Between Sale, Price, and Porcello, the Sox should be able to get a quality start in the playoffs.
Big question now is: how do they replace Ortiz?
Ortiz will never be replaceable but we still have a ton of good bats in the lineup.
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Finally.
Between Sale, Price, and Porcello, the Sox should be able to get a quality start in the playoffs.
Big question now is: how do they replace Ortiz?
some answers are here:
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/replacing-ortiz.16474/page-2#post-2041238
it could be done in house. the drop off would not kill the sox since they have such a good offense to begin with. but a few free agents may be picked up. and DD certainly shows us all once more that he doesnt mind making big trades and acquisitions.
thus far, the sox' gains outweight the loses.
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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.
Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.
and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.
moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
Agreed and we have other young talent so it doesn't hurt the future of the team much.
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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.
Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.
and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.
moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
Agreed and we have other young talent so it doesn't hurt the future of the team much.
to say the least...here is another item from SoSH on that exact topic:
And:
Betts controlled through 2020
Boegards controlled through 2019
Bradley controlled through 2020
Swihart controlled through 2021
Benintendi controlled through 2022
Edro controlled through 2020
Price controlled through 2022
Porcello controlled through 2019
Sale controlled through 2019
Pedroia controlled through 2020
So that's your top-3 starters, your entire outfield, your middle infield and your catching situation, all controlled for the next three years. And that's before any of these guys sign any extensions.
The 2020 offseason might be brutal, but at this point there aren't that many openings for young players even if the system had more talent to promote.
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Finally.
Between Sale, Price, and Porcello, the Sox should be able to get a quality start in the playoffs.
Big question now is: how do they replace Ortiz?
I would imagine they have to ante up and sign Encarnacion or else all this pitching is wasted.
Funny that last season was the opposite problem—their unreliable pitching wasted a lot of good hitting.
Finally.
Between Sale, Price, and Porcello, the Sox should be able to get a quality start in the playoffs.
Big question now is: how do they replace Ortiz?
Hopefully many more than one. ;D
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reactions and analyses here:
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/chris-sale-to-boston-for-moncada-kopech-2-prospects.16930/page-4
big win for the sox. Sale is great and has been great for 5 years. last 5 years has been an all star each year. finished top 6 in the cy young award race.
giving up moncada hurts, but who knows if he will ever hit the major league curve ball? (30% K rate, ouch.)
kopech might be great, might be a reliever, might be nothing. really hard to judge from AA.
diaz and basabe are lottery tickets, toss in players.
the sox look good for the next 3-4 years. lots of young talent and all signed.
As of now, the top prospects (per Soxprospects) left in the Sox system are:
Devers
Groome
Travis
Johnson
Dalbec
Chatham
Ockimey
A lot thinner than it was, but there are still a few good prospects. And for me, the point of the minor league has always been to provide talent for the major league club - either through promoting good talent or enabling trades for it.
I did not include Benentendi or Hernandez since they are already in Boston.
I love this part
nd:
Betts controlled through 2020
Boegards controlled through 2019
Bradley controlled through 2020
Swihart controlled through 2021
Benintendi controlled through 2022
Edro controlled through 2020
Price controlled through 2022
Porcello controlled through 2019
Sale controlled through 2019
Pedroia controlled through 2020
So that's your top-3 starters, your entire outfield, your middle infield and your catching situation, all controlled for the next three years. And that's before any of these guys sign any extensions.
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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.
Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.
and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.
moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
Agreed and we have other young talent so it doesn't hurt the future of the team much.
to say the least...here is another item from SoSH on that exact topic:
And:
Betts controlled through 2020
Boegards controlled through 2019
Bradley controlled through 2020
Swihart controlled through 2021
Benintendi controlled through 2022
Edro controlled through 2020
Price controlled through 2022
Porcello controlled through 2019
Sale controlled through 2019
Pedroia controlled through 2020
So that's your top-3 starters, your entire outfield, your middle infield and your catching situation, all controlled for the next three years. And that's before any of these guys sign any extensions.
The 2020 offseason might be brutal, but at this point there aren't that many openings for young players even if the system had more talent to promote.
That's a pretty sweet situation. Hopefully they parlay the next three seasons into three playoff appearances and at least one title.
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I'm also wishing the Sox had pulled the trigger on this type of thing at the last trade deadline—we might've had a better ending for Ortiz.
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Just please no Red Sox/Cubs world series matchups.
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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.
Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.
and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.
moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
Agreed and we have other young talent so it doesn't hurt the future of the team much.
to say the least...here is another item from SoSH on that exact topic:
And:
Betts controlled through 2020
Boegards controlled through 2019
Bradley controlled through 2020
Swihart controlled through 2021
Benintendi controlled through 2022
Edro controlled through 2020
Price controlled through 2022
Porcello controlled through 2019
Sale controlled through 2019
Pedroia controlled through 2020
So that's your top-3 starters, your entire outfield, your middle infield and your catching situation, all controlled for the next three years. And that's before any of these guys sign any extensions.
The 2020 offseason might be brutal, but at this point there aren't that many openings for young players even if the system had more talent to promote.
That's a pretty sweet situation. Hopefully they parlay the next three seasons into three playoff appearances and at least one title.
ha. i'm greedy. i want at least THREE world series championships now. ;D
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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.
Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.
and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.
moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
Precisely. Sale is making $1.5 million less than Buccholz. I normally don't care about other people's money, but given the team's declared intent to stay under the luxury tax, the decision to pay a massive contract to a horrible pitcher suddenly seems relevant.
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I'm also wishing the Sox had pulled the trigger on this type of thing at the last trade deadline—we might've had a better ending for Ortiz.
back then, the chisox were demanding BOTH Betts and Benintendi as PART of the deal. the sox did the right thing in not trading then.
“@Buster_ESPN: White Sox get a big haul from BOS -- and it's a step down for what they asked for in July, which included Betts and Benintendi.”
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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.
Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.
and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.
moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
Precisely. Sale is making $1.5 million less than Buccholz. I normally don't care about other people's money, but given the team's declared intent to stay under the luxury tax, the decision to pay a massive contract to a horrible pitcher suddenly seems relevant.
"massive" and "horrible" are not completely accurate and smack of over reaction. and as stated above, the sox are not constrained in anyway by buchholz's contract. and he is moveable.
nothing to see here. let's move along everyone. ;D
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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.
Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.
and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.
moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
Agreed and we have other young talent so it doesn't hurt the future of the team much.
to say the least...here is another item from SoSH on that exact topic:
And:
Betts controlled through 2020
Boegards controlled through 2019
Bradley controlled through 2020
Swihart controlled through 2021
Benintendi controlled through 2022
Edro controlled through 2020
Price controlled through 2022
Porcello controlled through 2019
Sale controlled through 2019
Pedroia controlled through 2020
So that's your top-3 starters, your entire outfield, your middle infield and your catching situation, all controlled for the next three years. And that's before any of these guys sign any extensions.
The 2020 offseason might be brutal, but at this point there aren't that many openings for young players even if the system had more talent to promote.
Fantastic roster. Thanks for run down
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I'm also wishing the Sox had pulled the trigger on this type of thing at the last trade deadline—we might've had a better ending for Ortiz.
back then, the chisox were demanding BOTH Betts and Benintendi as PART of the deal. the sox did the right thing in not trading then.
“@Buster_ESPN: White Sox get a big haul from BOS -- and it's a step down for what they asked for in July, which included Betts and Benintendi.”
Wow. That's quite a difference, and certainly good for Boston.
I just wish we could've given Papi the farewell he deserved.
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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.
Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.
and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.
moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
Precisely. Sale is making $1.5 million less than Buccholz. I normally don't care about other people's money, but given the team's declared intent to stay under the luxury tax, the decision to pay a massive contract to a horrible pitcher suddenly seems relevant.
"massive" and "horrible" are not completely accurate and smack of over reaction. and as stated above, the sox are not constrained in anyway by buchholz's contract. and he is moveable.
nothing to see here. let's move along everyone. ;D
He's been "movable" for years, and yet he's gone nowhere even though he's been redundant to the extent that they put him in the pen. He's Wade Miley, and based on what Wade Miley is paid, he's signed for at least twice the going rate.
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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.
Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.
and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.
moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
Precisely. Sale is making $1.5 million less than Buccholz. I normally don't care about other people's money, but given the team's declared intent to stay under the luxury tax, the decision to pay a massive contract to a horrible pitcher suddenly seems relevant.
"massive" and "horrible" are not completely accurate and smack of over reaction. and as stated above, the sox are not constrained in anyway by buchholz's contract. and he is moveable.
nothing to see here. let's move along everyone. ;D
He's been "movable" for years, and yet he's gone nowhere even though he's been redundant to the extent that they put him in the pen. He's Wade Miley, and based on what Wade Miley is paid, he's signed for at least twice the going rate.
I've been pretty vocal in my disappointment with Buchholz, and have long advocated the Sox moving him in exchange for anything, but he made an adjustment to his mechanics toward the end of this last season that did seem to make a big, positive difference. If this team could get the good "old Buchholz" back, that would be fantastic.
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I've been pretty vocal in my disappointment with Buchholz, and have long advocated the Sox moving him in exchange for anything, but he made an adjustment to his mechanics toward the end of this last season that did seem to make a big, positive difference. If this team could get the good "old Buchholz" back, that would be fantastic.
He's "turned a corner" may times before and invariably flopped sooner rather than later. I don't think his issues are mechanical, they're in his head.
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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.
Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.
and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.
moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
Agreed and we have other young talent so it doesn't hurt the future of the team much.
to say the least...here is another item from SoSH on that exact topic:
And:
Betts controlled through 2020
Boegards controlled through 2019
Bradley controlled through 2020
Swihart controlled through 2021
Benintendi controlled through 2022
Edro controlled through 2020
Price controlled through 2022
Porcello controlled through 2019
Sale controlled through 2019
Pedroia controlled through 2020
So that's your top-3 starters, your entire outfield, your middle infield and your catching situation, all controlled for the next three years. And that's before any of these guys sign any extensions.
The 2020 offseason might be brutal, but at this point there aren't that many openings for young players even if the system had more talent to promote.
Thanks for putting a smile on my face on a dreary NYC afternoon. This is exciting.
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Thought I'd post a picture of Sandoval which was taken yesterday or the day before.
(https://cbsboston.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/panda.jpg)
He has lost a lot of weight. He looks good. He certainly doesn't deserve any benefit of doubt that he will stay in shape, but I have little doubt he will play well if stays anywhere close to this weight. He's a talented guy. Then you have Devers who is likely about two years away from taking over third base.
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We have 4 left handed starters that could conceivably be in the mix (Sale, Price, Pomeranz, Rodriquez) plus 2 others (Ownes, Johnson) on the cusp. Too many lefties. I think Pomeranz or Rodriquez for sure get traded, maybe both. I envision the starters being:
Porcello (R)
Sale (L)
Price (L)
Wright (R)
Buchholz (R)
With Rodriguez (L), and some righty to be named as the off roster depth. That is about the best staff I remember. I am not worried about replacing Papi but they probably will bring in a mid level vet. I expect DH by committee.
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Betts controlled through 2020
Boegards controlled through 2019
Bradley controlled through 2020
Swihart controlled through 2021
Benintendi controlled through 2022
Edro controlled through 2020
Price controlled through 2022
Porcello controlled through 2019
Sale controlled through 2019
Pedroia controlled through 2020
Don't forget that Ramirez and Sandoval are both through 2019 (albiet overpaid) as well so we have a ton of control over the roster.
Also Brock Holt through 2019. We are in very good shape.
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Thought I'd post a picture of Sandoval which was taken yesterday or the day before.
(https://cbsboston.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/panda.jpg)
He has lost a lot of weight. He looks good. He certainly doesn't deserve any benefit of doubt that he will stay in shape, but I have little doubt he will play well if stays anywhere close to this weight. He's a talented guy. Then you have Devers who is likely about two years away from taking over third base.
Wow, he looks great. 3rd base will likely be a soft spot on the roster but we have Brock Holt and some others that can platoon there if needed. I think Pablo will be his old self, 0.280, 15 HR, sufficient defense. That will probably be fine.
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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.
Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.
and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.
moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
Precisely. Sale is making $1.5 million less than Buccholz. I normally don't care about other people's money, but given the team's declared intent to stay under the luxury tax, the decision to pay a massive contract to a horrible pitcher suddenly seems relevant.
"massive" and "horrible" are not completely accurate and smack of over reaction. and as stated above, the sox are not constrained in anyway by buchholz's contract. and he is moveable.
nothing to see here. let's move along everyone. ;D
He's been "movable" for years, and yet he's gone nowhere even though he's been redundant to the extent that they put him in the pen. He's Wade Miley, and based on what Wade Miley is paid, he's signed for at least twice the going rate.
simply determined to make something negative out of a huge, positive trade arent you? step back, relax, this is a good thing so let's enjoy it. ;D
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Thought I'd post a picture of Sandoval which was taken yesterday or the day before.
(https://cbsboston.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/panda.jpg)
He has lost a lot of weight. He looks good. He certainly doesn't deserve any benefit of doubt that he will stay in shape, but I have little doubt he will play well if stays anywhere close to this weight. He's a talented guy. Then you have Devers who is likely about two years away from taking over third base.
Wow, he looks great. 3rd base will likely be a soft spot on the roster but we have Brock Holt and some others that can platoon there if needed. I think Pablo will be his old self, 0.280, 15 HR, sufficient defense. That will probably be fine.
given that the last time he fielded the position he was rated THE worst third baseman in all of major league baseball, those numbers would make me giddy.
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simply determined to make something negative out of a huge, positive trade arent you? step back, relax, this is a good thing so let's enjoy it. ;D
The deal is great. The Buccholz situation, not so much. As I said, I wouldn't normally care if the ownership wasn't committed to staying under the tax.
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Thought I'd post a picture of Sandoval which was taken yesterday or the day before.
(https://cbsboston.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/panda.jpg)
He has lost a lot of weight. He looks good. He certainly doesn't deserve any benefit of doubt that he will stay in shape, but I have little doubt he will play well if stays anywhere close to this weight. He's a talented guy. Then you have Devers who is likely about two years away from taking over third base.
Wow, he looks great. 3rd base will likely be a soft spot on the roster but we have Brock Holt and some others that can platoon there if needed. I think Pablo will be his old self, 0.280, 15 HR, sufficient defense. That will probably be fine.
given that the last time he fielded the position he was rated THE worst third baseman in all of major league baseball, those numbers would make me giddy.
Between 2012 and 2014 he averaged 0.280 with 14 HRs. I am giving him one more HR thanks to Fenway. I admit this is somewhat optimistic based on what he did in 2015 and 2016 and I realize this record is from 2-5 years ago. I get that most are going to expect something more like his 2015 season but I think we will be OK with Pablo as the everyday third baseman/part time DH. I believe he will be adequate in 2017.
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Thought I'd post a picture of Sandoval which was taken yesterday or the day before.
(https://cbsboston.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/panda.jpg)
He has lost a lot of weight. He looks good. He certainly doesn't deserve any benefit of doubt that he will stay in shape, but I have little doubt he will play well if stays anywhere close to this weight. He's a talented guy. Then you have Devers who is likely about two years away from taking over third base.
Wow, he looks great. 3rd base will likely be a soft spot on the roster but we have Brock Holt and some others that can platoon there if needed. I think Pablo will be his old self, 0.280, 15 HR, sufficient defense. That will probably be fine.
given that the last time he fielded the position he was rated THE worst third baseman in all of major league baseball, those numbers would make me giddy.
Between 2012 and 2014 he averaged 0.280 with 14 HRs. I am giving him one more HR thanks to Fenway. I admit this is somewhat optimistic based on what he did in 2015 and 2016 and I realize this record is from 2-5 years ago. I get that most are going to expect something more like his 2015 season but I think we will be OK with Pablo as the everyday third baseman/part time DH. I believe he will be adequate in 2017.
I think he will be adequate too. He was a good fielding third baseman before 2015, but he just got way too fat. He's now thinner than he was when he was still good, so I think he'll be fine defensively. He's talented, it's all about fitness for him. Dombrowski and Farrell seem to think the same thing.
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simply determined to make something negative out of a huge, positive trade arent you? step back, relax, this is a good thing so let's enjoy it. ;D
The deal is great. The Buccholz situation, not so much. As I said, I wouldn't normally care if the ownership wasn't committed to staying under the tax.
We need Buchholz. He is one of only 3 right-handed starters. That may change with more trades (which I expect) making him more expendable but right now, overpaid or not, we need him. He will be a fine (albiet overpaid) #5 starter if that is how it works out.
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Don't sleep on Pomeranz. He was clearly fatigued and didn't transition to Boston well, but he still ended the year with a 3.32 ERA and 10Ks per 9 innings. If he comes back with an ERA in the high 3s that would be a real nice #4/#5. How he got here is irrelevant.
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Don't sleep on Pomeranz. He was clearly fatigued and didn't transition to Boston well, but he still ended the year with a 3.32 ERA and 10Ks per 9 innings. If he comes back with an ERA in the high 3s that would be a real nice #4/#5. How he got here is irrelevant.
Wright Erod Pomeranz Bucholz are all so hard to judge.
So inconsistent. All have flashed lights out stuff and none can be trusted.
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Don't sleep on Pomeranz. He was clearly fatigued and didn't transition to Boston well, but he still ended the year with a 3.32 ERA and 10Ks per 9 innings. If he comes back with an ERA in the high 3s that would be a real nice #4/#5. How he got here is irrelevant.
Wright Erod Pomeranz Bucholz are all so hard to judge.
So inconsistent. All have flashed lights out stuff and none can be trusted.
I don't know, I think Buccholz is what he is - talented but weak-minded and injury-prone. I have zero faith in him. Might have better luck in a smaller-market NL team (Pitt, Washington, Arizona?).
Wright is a 32 year-old knuckleballer who has shown very little, only 4 years MLB experience... He's a nice backup, but I'm not going to rely on him.
E-rod has been very good the last couple years, aside from his first 6 starts last year where he was coming off injury and his stuff was clearly affected. IMO when healthy he is electric, and can throw it past people. You can't teach that. Gotta keep him.
Pomeranz is also talented. Nice stuff, just needs to refine it a bit. He's older than I thought at 28... But he could be a late bloomer with his stuff.
Problem is both Pomeranz and E-rod are lefties. Makes it harder to keep both, though they are both an excellent insurance policy, and would also make great long relievers.
Ultimately IMO talent is more important than lefty/righty though.
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Don't sleep on Pomeranz. He was clearly fatigued and didn't transition to Boston well, but he still ended the year with a 3.32 ERA and 10Ks per 9 innings. If he comes back with an ERA in the high 3s that would be a real nice #4/#5. How he got here is irrelevant.
Wright Erod Pomeranz Bucholz are all so hard to judge.
So inconsistent. All have flashed lights out stuff and none can be trusted.
I don't know, I think Buccholz is what he is - talented but weak-minded and injury-prone. I have zero faith in him. Might have better luck in a smaller-market NL team (Pitt, Washington, Arizona?).
Wright is a 32 year-old knuckleballer who has shown very little, only 4 years MLB experience... He's a nice backup, but I'm not going to rely on him.
E-rod has been very good the last couple years, aside from his first 6 starts last year where he was coming off injury and his stuff was clearly affected. IMO when healthy he is electric, and can throw it past people. You can't teach that. Gotta keep him.
Pomeranz is also talented. Nice stuff, just needs to refine it a bit. He's older than I thought at 28... But he could be a late bloomer with his stuff.
Problem is both Pomeranz and E-rod are lefties. Makes it harder to keep both, though they are both an excellent insurance policy, and would also make great long relievers.
Ultimately IMO talent is more important than lefty/righty though.
Pomeranz has had 1 good half season as a starter in his career. Wright had a more impressive half season last year, but hes a knuckleballer. E-Rod seems sure to make the rotation, but hes had issues with injuries and getting crushed too. Then Clay makes sense to go, but at his best Bucholz is better than any of the other guys.
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... aaaaand Buchholz goes to the Phillies for a minor league infielder with the Red Sox off the hook for his entire salary. Good deal.
Who do you have in the pen now, Wright, Pomeranz or Rodriguez?
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... aaaaand Buchholz goes to the Phillies for a minor league infielder with the Red Sox off the hook for his entire salary. Good deal.
Who do you have in the pen now, Wright, Pomeranz or Rodriguez?
Wright has to be in the rotation, there's no way we can have 4 lefties. And between ERod and Pomeranz, I'd guess that ERod will earn the staring job in spring training
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... aaaaand Buchholz goes to the Phillies for a minor league infielder with the Red Sox off the hook for his entire salary. Good deal.
Who do you have in the pen now, Wright, Pomeranz or Rodriguez?
rodriguez will start, too much youth and potential not to do so.
that fills up 4 out of the 5 spots. it is a toss up between pomeranz and wright it seems. i favor wright based upon his track record as a starter, and pomeranz' record as a reliever.
spring training will be competitive i am sure.
as for tobias, the newest sox in from Philliesminorthoughts.com when he was drafted with BA predraft report below. he looks like filler to me:
Tobias was drafted in the 31st round by the Nationals in 2011 when he was coming out of a North Carolina high school, but went on to Florida, where he was named to the SEC All-Freshman team the next year. He battled injuries and wasn’t as consistent in the next two seasons, going undrafted last year.
He’s bounced back in 2015 and has become one of the best seniors in the country. Tobias has returned to switch-hitting this season to great success. He led the Gators in several offensive categories in the regular season, including batting average (.366) and OPS (1.004). He has a contact-oriented approach and makes the most of his average speed. Tobias isn’t the smoothest defender at third base, but has gotten the job done and nearly went the whole season without making an error.
He’s moved around the infield some during his career and provides good versatility. His best other spot is second base and he has some similarities to Josh Harrison. Tobias doesn’t have the loudest tools, but he’ll provide a team good value in this year’s draft as an offensive infielder.
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... aaaaand Buchholz goes to the Phillies for a minor league infielder with the Red Sox off the hook for his entire salary. Good deal.
Who do you have in the pen now, Wright, Pomeranz or Rodriguez?
I was thinking Wright, but one of my friends just mentioned that knuckleballers usually have a different catcher, so bringing a knuckleballer from the pen could present issues with catching.