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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: CelticsElite on October 29, 2017, 12:30:54 AM
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21202063/cleveland-cavaliers-not-concerned-several-recent-losses
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They are mailing it in, no surprise. They are a worse team than last year though.
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I called it a couple of weeks ago - the Cavs are looking terrible right now. On the court and off the court, they are a mess.
Cavs are missing Kyrie in a massive way.
Lebron is an amazing player, but he's 33 years old, and as good as he is he cannot carry the team on his shoulders for 38-40 minutes a night, every night. If they try to keep that up, then they are threatening his health in a huge way. When he had Love and Kyrie there every night it took an immense amount of pressure off his shoulders because you know that Kyrie is giving you 20+ every night and Love will give you 15-16 every night. That's easily at least 60 points a night you can depend on from Kyrie, Love and Lebron alone. The other 10 guys combined only needs to give you 30-40 and you are set. Lebron just had to do his thing and he could effectively criuise through the regular season. Also having Kyrie/Love/Smith on the court opened up a ton of space for Lebron to be able to get to the basket at will.
With Kyrie gone, Kevin Love has been the only consistent producer on that team outside of Lebron. Loves been giving them a solidly consistent 15-20 points and 8-10 rebounds a night, but after Lebon and Love give you a combined 40 a night, they then have to rely on the other 10 guys to make up the remaining 60 points - and so far they haven't gotten that. Jeff freaking Green has been their 3rd best producer so far at something like 9 PPG - and that's bad. Wade has been terrible and looks completely cooked, Rose is injured again (shock), the Crowder-at-PF experiment failed as expected, JR and TT both had hissy fits about coming off the bench - it's a severe mess.
Not only does the Cavs 3-3 record look bad, but they have actually been WORSE then that record suggests. If you look at the 6 games they have played so far, only one has really been an impressive one - the win over the Bucks. Aside from that they barely beat the Celtics without Hayward or Morris, they got blown out by Orlando, barely beat the bulls (after being down 80% of the game), lost to the nets, and now have lost to the Pelicans too.
They have been struggling immensely against BAD teams. If they faced this kind of schedule in any other season they would be at least 5-1 by now.
They are absolutely desperate for IT to return - they need his scoring in the most desperate way.
It actually speaks well for the Celtics. The Cavs lose their second best scorer and they fall apart at the seams. The Celtics lose their second best scorer and other guys are stepping up, allowing us to flourish.
And we don't even have Morris back yet, don't have Smart at full health, have been depending on two <21 year olds who are still green, have still yet to build chemistry (after changing all but 4 players on our roster), and still have an $8.4M DPE that we have yet to use - so we will only get better as the season goes on.
In other news the Nets are 3-3 (tied with Cleveland) and are holding the 7th seed right now - so that Brooklyn pick so far is looking incredibly mediocre. Danny Ainge is a GM god lol
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^tp.
Ainge made the Cavs worse and Celtics better. Remember espn saying that the Cavs won the trade by a landslide? Lol
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Brooklyn is #7 seed at the moment.
I really like that trade right now.
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How long until that one guy comes and says “6 GAMES”
Yeah it’s early but signs are showing that the nets are no longer the “nets” that we know. They can win games and probably won’t go in those 20 game losing streaks that got us Tatum and brown. Danny sold that pick at its highest value.
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Also what is up with Crowder? He looks like a shadow of the guy he was in Boston...?
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Also what is up with Crowder? He looks like a shadow of the guy he was in Boston...?
the Stevens effect. See Jordan crawford lol
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Also what is up with Crowder? He looks like a shadow of the guy he was in Boston...?
the Stevens effect. See Jordan crawford lol
I dunno. I still don't understand why you bench Crowder to start Shump and JR Smith. Really? That is just a terrible decision.
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According to ESPN's standings their offense is only slightly above average and their defense is ordinary, giving them a very slight +be on points scored versus conceded.
Does this agree with the eye test? You who actually watch the games.
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According to ESPN's standings their offense is only slightly above average and their defense is ordinary, giving them a very slight +be on points scored versus conceded.
Does this agree with the eye test? You who actually watch the games.
Their defensive rating is worse than Phoenix and Chicago. Two teams that are trying to lose.
https://stats.nba.com/teams/defense/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1
The Cavs are in trouble.
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How long until that one guy comes and says “6 GAMES”
Yeah it’s early but signs are showing that the nets are no longer the “nets” that we know. They can win games and probably won’t go in those 20 game losing streaks that got us Tatum and brown. Danny sold that pick at its highest value.
It is only 6 games. Last season the Lakers started of 10-10 and some people were saying they could make the playoffs. They finished with 26 wins but only because they won 5 of their last 6 games.
The Nets just lost to the Knicks by 21. The Nets schedule so far has been very easy and continues to be for the next few games. Hard to get much easier than their 1st 10 games.
Pacers, Magic, Hawks, Magic, Cavs, Knicks, Nuggets, Suns, Lakers and Suns
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Lebron should have respected Irving a bit more .
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Remember last year when lebron said the cavs need more playmakers with Kyrie Irvinf playing kn the team ?
Without Thomas the only player that can really generate offense on that team is LeBron and that spells trouble.
Defensively not a single guard on that team can defend (will get worse after getting Thomas back) and Crowder is their only reliable defender not named LeBron.
The cavs are in trouble...
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Makes you wonder if chemistry issues are going to plague them. I am also curious as to how many of the guys truly buy in to Lue's system(if he even has one). There's already rumblings that LeBron was the reason they tried Kevin Love at the 5 this season. Thompson wasn't happy about losing the starting job. JR Smith didn't want to come off the bench. Wade doesn't fit. Crowder must feel lost in the shuffle. Derrick Rose is never healthy. Jeff Green lacks killer instinct. lol yet they will still probably make the Finals because LeBron is a freak.
The season is still young and I have a feeling that IT will become the heart and soul of this Cavs team, assuming that he has a healthy return. IT plays with a swagger and edge that the rest of the team should rally around.
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Last year Irving and James were 6th and 7th in the league in terms of iso scoring. The Cavs defense was mediocre last year too, but their offense could survive because they had 2 players that were almost impossible to guard on 1v1.
Kyrie took and made more contested shots at much better percentages than LeBron, but now there's no other tough shot maker on the team so until IT comes back they need to change their play style. They can't rely on just having more talent than other teams anymore.
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Oh they get it going here pretty soon..seems like they always start slow..plus no PG till Thomas and Rose r healthy
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No Thomas, Rose hurt already. They are reeling at PG which is causing all sorts of lineup issues and game play issues. The key to their season always hinged on them getting Thomas healthy
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All of their issues last year that were evident in the finals domination are worse this year. Their old players only got older and they added a 35 year old wade. Smith is in rapid decline. Korver is probably a bit slower than even last year. Lebron is putting up big numbers but not sure he can carry the load like this for 90 more games. If IT comes back as a dominant player they will probably still make the finals. If he is hampered though Lebron amazing finals streak will end.
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yet they will still probably make the Finals because LeBron is a freak.
If the Celtics don't make the ECF, I'd only pray for a Milwaukee vs Cleveland showdown to pit the old freak vs. the new freak.
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yet they will still probably make the Finals because LeBron is a freak.
If the Celtics don't make the ECF, I'd only pray for a Milwaukee vs Cleveland showdown to pit the old freak vs. the new freak.
If we are not there without Hayward would love to see the raptors add one more piece to be competitive in a series
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They could pull it together but man...with Hayward we would really be looking good for a Finals trip as of now.
Say what you want about how strong the West is, but we'd only have to beat one West team to win it all.
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Father time
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They are playing with very little return for Kyrie at the moment. If you swap Crowder for Irving, of course they got significantly worse. But they have an All-NBA PG injured.
Once IT returns, they will be just as dangerous as they were last year and favored to win the East, yet again.
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Knicks beat the cavs tonight lol. Lebron played 40 minutes
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They are playing with very little return for Kyrie at the moment. If you swap Crowder for Irving, of course they got significantly worse. But they have an All-NBA PG injured.
Once IT returns, they will be just as dangerous as they were last year and favored to win the East, yet again.
Yeah, this isn't totally surprising - although any Lebron-led team should be able to beat this current Knicks team with ease. The Cavs made the trade for the BKN pick and for a chance that IT can come back and play like his former self for a long playoff run.
I would LOVE for the Cavs to totally suck, but I can't get my hopes up quite yet.
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Knicks beat the cavs tonight lol. Lebron played 40 minutes
The Cavs have the same record as The Nets.
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They had to knock out Hayward to beat us.
u till the injury ....I felt like a major butt kicking was about to go down on Lebron....... so they fixed that ...band of thugs .
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Knicks beat the cavs tonight lol. Lebron played 40 minutes
The Cavs have the same record as The Nets.
Even with IT out they should be able to beat the Knicks, thats bad. I mean we're down one of our best players, and we spanked them, and did it with our young guys leading the charge.
I know it's early, but it's awesome to see them out of a playoff spot. I mean Indy who is most likely tanking has a better record.
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The Cavs will be fine. Much ado about nothing.
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The Cavs will be fine. Much ado about nothing.
Disagree totally, look @ their roster, name me the good defenders , espically on the wing. It’s the oldest team in the league , Crowder has seriously slipped , played 20 min tonight and did nothing and Wade And Korver played 20 + min and were useless . I’ll take my chances with those 3 playing 20 plus minutes every day of the week. This isn’t the same Cavs team, you think IT is gonna make them a top defensive team, no chance . I like our roster so much better.
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Question:
Has any team with playoff aspirations ever opened up a season with a schedule THIS easy and done This badly?
Five of their first seven games have been against lottery bound teams, and they've gone 1-4 in those games - including 20 point blowouts in three of them.
That's bad...not just by Cavs standards, but by ANY standards.
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The Cavs will be fine. Much ado about nothing.
Disagree totally, look @ their roster, name me the good defenders , espically on the wing. It’s the oldest team in the league , Crowder has seriously slipped , played 20 min tonight and did nothing and Wade And Korver played 20 + min and were useless . I’ll take my chances with those 3 playing 20 plus minutes every day of the week. This isn’t the same Cavs team, you think IT is gonna make them a top defensive team, no chance . I like our roster so much better.
Oh, I've seen their roster, and it's certainly not impressive, but that's how most of LeBron's Cavs teams have been: LeBron, in recent years Kyrie, and a bunch of old guys and castoffs. Their success in recent seasons is a testament to just how good LeBron is.
They're missing that second go-to scorer right now with IT out, but their current roster isn't really substantially different from those of recent seasons. And I'm not saying they'll finish ahead of Boston in the regular season, but I've learned to never write off a LeBron team until it's been eliminated, and we're far, far from that.
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The Cavs will be fine. Much ado about nothing.
Disagree totally, look @ their roster, name me the good defenders , espically on the wing. It’s the oldest team in the league , Crowder has seriously slipped , played 20 min tonight and did nothing and Wade And Korver played 20 + min and were useless . I’ll take my chances with those 3 playing 20 plus minutes every day of the week. This isn’t the same Cavs team, you think IT is gonna make them a top defensive team, no chance . I like our roster so much better.
Oh, I've seen their roster, and it's certainly not impressive, but that's how most of LeBron's Cavs teams have been: LeBron, in recent years Kyrie, and a bunch of old guys and castoffs. Their success in recent seasons is a testament to just how good LeBron is.
They're missing that second go-to scorer right now with IT out, but their current roster isn't really substantially different from those of recent seasons. And I'm not saying they'll finish ahead of Boston in the regular season, but I've learned to never write off a LeBron team until it's been eliminated, and we're far, far from that.
I understand your point but things have changed obviously. No Kyrie and LeBron a year older, & what if IT isn’t the same then your relying on those said players and its big trouble. You can only get away with being a poor defensive team for so long. There could be more injuries as well. This Cavs team is not constructed to withstand any of those things in my opinion . Sometimes the well runs dry, and it happens to teams fast, espically old ones.
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Every time I watch a Cavs game it just seems like they criminally underutilize Kevin Love at all times.
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Question:
Has any team with playoff aspirations ever opened up a season with a schedule THIS easy and done This badly?
Five of their first seven games have been against lottery bound teams, and they've gone 1-4 in those games - including 20 point blowouts in three of them.
That's bad...not just by Cavs standards, but by ANY standards.
2012 Celtics started 4-8
eventually forced James led heat to 7 games.
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Every time I watch a Cavs game it just seems like they criminally underutilize Kevin Love at all times.
I honestly forget he exists sometimes
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And if Lebum tweaks an ankle or any injury that keeps him out for just 2 weeks and they might not even make the playoffs...which really puts a smile to my face because im pretty much sick of lebron being the story of the playoffs evwry freaking year...honestly I want them winning 30 games and out of the playoffs by a hairline.
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And if Lebum tweaks an ankle or any injury that keeps him out for just 2 weeks and they might not even make the playoffs...which really puts a smile to my face because im pretty much sick of lebron being the story of the playoffs evwry freaking year...honestly I want them winning 30 games and out of the playoffs by a hairline.
Lebron could miss over a month and theyd still make the playoffs.
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And if Lebum tweaks an ankle or any injury that keeps him out for just 2 weeks and they might not even make the playoffs...which really puts a smile to my face because im pretty much sick of lebron being the story of the playoffs evwry freaking year...honestly I want them winning 30 games and out of the playoffs by a hairline.
without Lebron .....Lue coaching and all those old guys ..no IT ...it would be massacre against most teams .....i would rank them in the bottom 5 teams in NBA .
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I cannot believe they are only playing Crowder 22 MPG. He needs to be playing more to give to give them some more solid defensive line ups. No reason to be playing Jeff Green so much when Crowder isn't maxed out.
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They are not a good team. If they expect IT to be a superstar and save them after not playing organized basketball for 6 months they are going to be disappointed
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Question:
Has any team with playoff aspirations ever opened up a season with a schedule THIS easy and done This badly?
Five of their first seven games have been against lottery bound teams, and they've gone 1-4 in those games - including 20 point blowouts in three of them.
That's bad...not just by Cavs standards, but by ANY standards.
2012 Celtics started 4-8
eventually forced James led heat to 7 games.
The lockout season plus Rose getting hurt in the first-round of playoffs, allowing the 76ers to upset the #1 seeded Bulls. Those were some factors that helped the Celtics down the postseason run.
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I imagine Lebron is looking at barbers and gardners in LA this week
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Yikes.
(https://i.imgur.com/YhSjwRO.jpg)
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I'm as much a Cavs hater as anyone, and want to see them fall on their face, and can't wait until LeBron is a shell of his former self, but people are throwing dirt on them way too early.
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Cavs coach Tyronn Lue called his team's latest loss -- a 114-95 rout at the hands of the New York Knicks -- "unacceptable" as the record dropped to 3-4.
"Tonight's loss and the last couple are unacceptable, and the only way we're going to be able to get out of it is to put the work in -- as players, as coaches," Lue said. "And we're going to do that. ... When you lose to teams the way we've been getting beat, it's unacceptable."
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21221379/tyronn-lue-cleveland-cavaliers-rues-new-york-knicks-rout-unacceptable-skid
Team imploding. Wheels on the bus are falling off
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Question:
Has any team with playoff aspirations ever opened up a season with a schedule THIS easy and done This badly?
Five of their first seven games have been against lottery bound teams, and they've gone 1-4 in those games - including 20 point blowouts in three of them.
That's bad...not just by Cavs standards, but by ANY standards.
2012 Celtics started 4-8
eventually forced James led heat to 7 games.
Yeah, but did they go 4-8 with 71% of those games played against lottery teams, 60% of THOSE games being 20 point blowouts???
My point here is they haven't just started with a poor record - they started with a poor record against one of the easiest schedules in the entire league. And they sent just getting beaten by bad teams - they're getting BLOWN OUT by bad teams. And they're doing it night after night.
Normally the first thing if say is "but they made a lot of roster changes, it'll take time for them to build chemistry", plus the fact they they have key guys injured...
But then I look at the Celtics who have turned over about 70% of their roster and are playing without two starters, yet somehow are still rolling. And against a tougher schedule too. And at this point I have to say the Cavs really have no excuse.
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Cavs coach Tyronn Lue called his team's latest loss -- a 114-95 rout at the hands of the New York Knicks -- "unacceptable" as the record dropped to 3-4.
"Tonight's loss and the last couple are unacceptable, and the only way we're going to be able to get out of it is to put the work in -- as players, as coaches," Lue said. "And we're going to do that. ... When you lose to teams the way we've been getting beat, it's unacceptable."
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21221379/tyronn-lue-cleveland-cavaliers-rues-new-york-knicks-rout-unacceptable-skid
Team imploding. Wheels on the bus are falling off
And the "unacceptability" starts with Tyronn Lue. This is Coach LeBron's team not yours lol.
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^tp.
Ainge made the Cavs worse and Celtics better. Remember espn saying that the Cavs won the trade by a landslide? Lol
Remember that IT is still to come back so the balance of the trade isn't set yet.
That said I'm really impressed with how the team has responded to Hayward going down and by the time he's back we are going to be a very scary team.
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It is much too early, as many have said, and I know the cream invariably rises to the top. Just over a week ago, with the Hayward injury weakening Boston, many commentators were echoing what they had been saying all off season - GSW V Cavs again.
The more games are played, the more I have my doubts. Knowing you don't write off champions it may be a good time to get better odds while fans are questioning the 'certainty' of that eventuating. I doubt that though, the Cavs have issues and the return of IT may not be the cure. The East is a lot more open than many expected and I think it will continue in that way.
I have greater faith in GSW to climb to the top of the west and dominate but you have to be impressed with a number of other teams. I don't think NBA talent is as thinly spread as some have suggested. A strong draft class and the improvement of other teams and players have improved the league.
While GSW may find it tougher to dominate than expected, I believe they ultimately are still the team you must beat to win the west and that is unlikely to happen (another team beating them). The east is different, the Cavs are vulnerable and the Lebron factor is diminishing, especially with his supporting cast. An injury to Love and the Cavs will struggle more than the Celtics without Hayward. Even in the playoffs there must be questions about Lebrun's ability to carry his team against teams with a greater spread of talent - such as the Celtics.
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A record under .500, starting lineup changes almost every night... You have to wonder how long this goes on before they replace Lebron as head coach.
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I saw the game last night. They looked flat, no energy, as that they only need to show un and win. The knicks are a bad team and they won by 20.
They are still figuring their lineups and rotations. The biggest take away for me was LeBron. He just dominated the ball, and was a full time PG, exactly why Kyrie left. Rose can only score, that is it. Crowder showing his real face. Hardway clowned on him. Only a spot up shooter, and 1-5 on the night.
And their back up plan, the nets pick, looks to be in the 7-14 zone right now.
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Imagine if they fire Lue and bring in a real coach for this season only.
What could a Larry Brown do with this roster?
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this team reminds me of miami in lebrons last year when they had maxed out their potential. Cavs have tied up so much money in over the hill vets and average players. by next year, celtics will run the east
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I also saw the game last night and was delighted to hear Austin Carr, the Cav's human pom-pom, complain that the Cavs "weren't even breathing hard". Of course when the Cavs went on a fourth quarter run to bring the game to within six he collapsed into paroxysms of joy, declaring that the Knicks had suddenly become scared of the Cavs. The Knicks then went on an 8-0 run to put the game away, at which point Austin became more docile.
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too early to say they're cooked.
let's see how they're doing by the all-star break and/or when IT's back and gotten 10-12 games under his belt. if they're still struggling at that point, then perhaps they're ripe for the taking in the playoffs.
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There are the proverbial "team going through the motions". Lethargic & disinterested. Caught a good portion of the second half last night and the effort just isn't there right now. Team isn't engaged.
What I don't know yet is if this team has serious flaws or just in cruise control. They certainly do have some flaws at the moment.
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This is a great quote by Kevin O'Conner at The Ringer: "The Cavs’ personnel have fundamental issues, and their head coach is one of the least innovative minds in the league."
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This is a great quote by Kevin O'Conner at The Ringer: "The Cavs’ personnel have fundamental issues, and their head coach is one of the least innovative minds in the league."
Whoa Kevin!
That was savage!!
Of course, I also feel that Cleveland will still get to the Finals...unless Jay and Jay can somehow go up another level... ;)
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I agree that they will be better in time and can look different when IT returns. That being said, their biggest issue is probably that they just don't have the players to be an even average defensive team. The Warriors could score 140-150 on them (probably the Rockets could also).
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A record under .500, starting lineup changes almost every night... You have to wonder how long this goes on before they replace Lebron as head coach.
Well done.
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This is a nice summary from the Ringer:
The roster is fundamentally flawed. Despite the additions of Crowder and Green, they still have too many weak spots on defense. Wade and Rose haven’t played consistently competitive defense for multiple seasons. Korver moves his legs as quickly as he can, but it’s all for naught (even rookie Frank Ntilikina drove by him with ease Sunday). Smith’s spunk wore off last season. Thompson looks complacent (on Sunday, he finished with zero boards in 19 minutes). LeBron hasn’t played regular-season defense in years, and it’s as if the rest of the roster follows his example.
Veterans Jose Calderon (36 years old) and Channing Frye (34) aren’t providing any answers, either. Neither are rookies Cedi Osman and Ante Zizic. The Little Guy, Isaiah Thomas, certainly won’t help their defensive issues, whenever he ends up returning to the floor. The bottom line is that Cleveland is old, and plays like it. Even if the Cavs begin giving effort, it’s hard to imagine that a backcourt featuring Wade, Rose, and Smith will be able to sustain that energy over a 48-minute game.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/10/30/16569932/nba-lebron-cavaliers-panic
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The biggest disappointment so far has Tristan Thompson. He has been bad so far.
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The problem with this team is that they've got the cavalry coming in for offensive purposes in the form of IT (still, that's assuming he's healthy by midseason which is no gimme), but there is no chance they become a good defensive team this year. Outside of Lebron, who himself is prone to defensive lapses, who's a plus defender on that team besides maybe Shumpert?
This team will comfortably make the playoffs -- please remember that the East still stinks, by and large -- but yes, they're in trouble. The Celtics, Bucks, or Raptors could easily be the #1 seed this year.
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Question:
Has any team with playoff aspirations ever opened up a season with a schedule THIS easy and done This badly?
Five of their first seven games have been against lottery bound teams, and they've gone 1-4 in those games - including 20 point blowouts in three of them.
That's bad...not just by Cavs standards, but by ANY standards.
2012 Celtics started 4-8
eventually forced James led heat to 7 games.
The lockout season plus Rose getting hurt in the first-round of playoffs, allowing the 76ers to upset the #1 seeded Bulls. Those were some factors that helped the Celtics down the postseason run.
what is the relevance of this?
That Sixers team was pretty decent and had one of the largest ever differences between team net rtg and w/l record. They played like a 43 win team (53 win pace) despite only winning 35 games (43 win pace). Then the MVP of the 1 seed gets hurt.
So if Lebron is out for the playoffs all bets are off, but he could miss major time and the Cavs would still be a top 8 ECF team. No doubt in my mind.
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Every year for the last eight years we've asked at some point "what's wrong with this lebron team?" And every year they've reached the finals. This may very well be the year that ends but untill I see how this team looks with Thomas I refuse to declare them "dead" or even "in trouble." We shall see.
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Every year for the last eight years we've asked at some point "what's wrong with this lebron team?" And every year they've reached the finals. This may very well be the year that ends but untill I see how this team looks with Thomas I refuse to declare them "dead" or even "in trouble." We shall see.
Maybe I am forgetting something, but after maybe the first 20 games I don't feel like people every thought Lebron's Miami teams were dead or had something seriously wrong with them.... they were a juggernaut all season..
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Every year for the last eight years we've asked at some point "what's wrong with this lebron team?" And every year they've reached the finals. This may very well be the year that ends but untill I see how this team looks with Thomas I refuse to declare them "dead" or even "in trouble." We shall see.
Maybe I am forgetting something, but after maybe the first 20 games I don't feel like people every thought Lebron's Miami teams were dead or had something seriously wrong with them.... they were a juggernaut all season..
First year in Miami they struggled to gel early on, but no one really panicked if I am remembering correctly.
However, both 14/15 and 16/17 had pretty good levels of panic at one point or another.
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Updated title
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If IT isn't good to go when he returns they are cooked. Pretty crazy to think they're entire season hinges on someone coming off a hip injury.
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I love how much the title for this is getting updated before this thread becomes irrelevant :P
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Cavs more concerned with Halloween than the regular season.
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2017/10/lebron_james_halloween_party_c.html
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Cavs more concerned with Halloween than the regular season.
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2017/10/lebron_james_halloween_party_c.html
thats a bonding thing.
Ive got 0 problem with it.
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I have to say, IT's Eazy-E costume was absolutely incredible.
I love that dude, and wish him nothing but the best, even if I do think Kyrie is an upgrade.
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If IT isn't good to go when he returns they are cooked. Pretty crazy to think they're entire season hinges on someone coming off a hip injury.
IT4 gonna get cooked on the defensive end. Expose this fraud and you're all set.
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If IT isn't good to go when he returns they are cooked. Pretty crazy to think they're entire season hinges on someone coming off a hip injury.
IT4 gonna get cooked on the defensive end. Expose this fraud and you're all set.
I absolutely love Isaiah, but Kyrie will take him to school one on one, when be doesn't have Avery, Marcus, and Al to cover for him.
Crowder, Smith, and Thompson just isn't q
quite the same.
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If IT isn't good to go when he returns they are cooked. Pretty crazy to think they're entire season hinges on someone coming off a hip injury.
IT4 gonna get cooked on the defensive end. Expose this fraud and you're all set.
IT4 will make a mockery of Kyrie's new defensive prowess, too. Goes both ways, home skillet.
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Who would have known that losing Hayward for the year would hurt the Cavs so much?
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If IT isn't good to go when he returns they are cooked. Pretty crazy to think they're entire season hinges on someone coming off a hip injury.
IT4 gonna get cooked on the defensive end. Expose this fraud and you're all set.
IT4 will make a mockery of Kyrie's new defensive prowess, too. Goes both ways, home skillet.
I tend to doubt it. Firstoff, Irving seems to be a much better defender than Thomas. Second, we are much better equipped to hide Kyrie than Cle is to hide Thomas.
Shumpert and Smith are the only competent guard defenders on that team and Cleveland is desperate to get rid of Shump and Smith looks like the wheels have fallen off.
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If IT isn't good to go when he returns they are cooked. Pretty crazy to think they're entire season hinges on someone coming off a hip injury.
IT4 gonna get cooked on the defensive end. Expose this fraud and you're all set.
IT4 will make a mockery of Kyrie's new defensive prowess, too. Goes both ways, home skillet.
I tend to doubt it. Firstoff, Irving seems to be a much better defender than Thomas. Second, we are much better equipped to hide Kyrie than Cle is to hide Thomas.
Shumpert and Smith are the only competent guard defenders on that team and Cleveland is desperate to get rid of Shump and Smith looks like the wheels have fallen off.
Firstoff isn't a word. Secondoff, Kyrie has been a much better defender since coming to Boston -- in the regular season, where top teams could not be making it any more obvious how little these games actually matter. That definitely does not make him a good defender.
CLE's reign over the East may be finally coming to an end though, as I think you're alluding.
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If IT isn't good to go when he returns they are cooked. Pretty crazy to think they're entire season hinges on someone coming off a hip injury.
IT4 gonna get cooked on the defensive end. Expose this fraud and you're all set.
IT4 will make a mockery of Kyrie's new defensive prowess, too. Goes both ways, home skillet.
I tend to doubt it. Firstoff, Irving seems to be a much better defender than Thomas. Second, we are much better equipped to hide Kyrie than Cle is to hide Thomas.
Shumpert and Smith are the only competent guard defenders on that team and Cleveland is desperate to get rid of Shump and Smith looks like the wheels have fallen off.
Firstoff isn't a word. Secondoff, Kyrie has been a much better defender since coming to Boston -- in the regular season, where top teams could not be making it any more obvious how little these games actually matter. That definitely does not make him a good defender.
CLE's reign over the East may be finally coming to an end though, as I think you're alluding.
And he D’d up and outplayed Curry in the 16 finals the Cavs won, so now he can play D anytime.
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If IT isn't good to go when he returns they are cooked. Pretty crazy to think they're entire season hinges on someone coming off a hip injury.
IT4 gonna get cooked on the defensive end. Expose this fraud and you're all set.
IT4 will make a mockery of Kyrie's new defensive prowess, too. Goes both ways, home skillet.
I tend to doubt it. Firstoff, Irving seems to be a much better defender than Thomas. Second, we are much better equipped to hide Kyrie than Cle is to hide Thomas.
Shumpert and Smith are the only competent guard defenders on that team and Cleveland is desperate to get rid of Shump and Smith looks like the wheels have fallen off.
Firstoff isn't a word. Secondoff, Kyrie has been a much better defender since coming to Boston -- in the regular season, where top teams could not be making it any more obvious how little these games actually matter. That definitely does not make him a good defender.
CLE's reign over the East may be finally coming to an end though, as I think you're alluding.
And he D’d up and outplayed Curry in the 16 finals the Cavs won, so now he can play D anytime.
Alrighty then. Defensive guru, Kyrie Irving. Start placing your bets...
I think he's looked consistently engaged on defense this season. He also makes good plays on the ball - he's a ball hawker, when he feels like it. But he has already shown that he can be easily manhandled in the paint. His lateral movement - probably the most important component of good individual defense -- also generally sucks. And he's small.
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Yeah the Cavs problem isn't on offense, while I think IT will help any team if he joins them at his all-star level play I am skeptical Lue can make the hard rotation decisions necessary to make a workable defensive team.
Especially once IT is back, his presence makes your defense bend in ways that are uncomfortable at best.
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I know it will not happen, but just the thought of LBJ and Cavs missing the playoffs improved the taste of my morning coffee.
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The Cavs problems are for real this season. This is different than years past, especially because of how good the Warriors are. I think the Cavs will struggle mentally throughout the entire season and they wont fix the defense. Deep down LeBron, Love, and Lue have zero faith in their ability to beat the Warriors in a 7 game series. IT is the only guy who has a slight chance to refocus their group because he is absolutely fearless.
Cleveland still has a decent chance to make the Finals and I'm sure they will temporarily convince themselves that they have a shot. However none of this matters because the same lingering defensive problems will exist. LeBron doesn't allow for a "get better every day" culture unless his team has the talent to actually win.
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I kind of want the Cavs to do well so we can knock them out of the playoffs. Its scary but they might be a lottery team at this point.
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Cavs fans ...please ..
" IT , save us !"
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If IT isn't good to go when he returns they are cooked. Pretty crazy to think they're entire season hinges on someone coming off a hip injury.
IT4 gonna get cooked on the defensive end. Expose this fraud and you're all set.
I absolutely love Isaiah, but Kyrie will take him to school one on one, when be doesn't have Avery, Marcus, and Al to cover for him.
Crowder, Smith, and Thompson just isn't q
quite the same.
Yeah, I'm pretty excited for the mismatch opportunities that Brad can exploit. If you think Washington took advantage of IT's size, just wait until Brad gets a chance to exploit that matchup with even bigger guards like Brown and Smart or more offensively dynamic guards like Kyrie and Rozier.
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If IT isn't good to go when he returns they are cooked. Pretty crazy to think they're entire season hinges on someone coming off a hip injury.
IT4 gonna get cooked on the defensive end. Expose this fraud and you're all set.
I absolutely love Isaiah, but Kyrie will take him to school one on one, when be doesn't have Avery, Marcus, and Al to cover for him.
Crowder, Smith, and Thompson just isn't q
quite the same.
Yeah, I'm pretty excited for the mismatch opportunities that Brad can exploit. If you think Washington took advantage of IT's size, just wait until Brad gets a chance to exploit that matchup with even bigger guards like Brown and Smart or more offensively dynamic guards like Kyrie and Rozier.
Yeah. Who the heck is IT going to guard on this Celtic starting lineup?
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If IT isn't good to go when he returns they are cooked. Pretty crazy to think they're entire season hinges on someone coming off a hip injury.
IT4 gonna get cooked on the defensive end. Expose this fraud and you're all set.
I absolutely love Isaiah, but Kyrie will take him to school one on one, when be doesn't have Avery, Marcus, and Al to cover for him.
Crowder, Smith, and Thompson just isn't q
quite the same.
Yeah, I'm pretty excited for the mismatch opportunities that Brad can exploit. If you think Washington took advantage of IT's size, just wait until Brad gets a chance to exploit that matchup with even bigger guards like Brown and Smart or more offensively dynamic guards like Kyrie and Rozier.
Yeah. Who the heck is IT going to guard on this Celtic starting lineup?
I'm looking forward to seeing that as well. Kyrie and Brown will just go right over him. Smart will bulldoze him. Rozier will fly by and over him.
IT's best hope is to guard Marcus and hope Smart tries to bomb away from outside.
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Lebron is sending the cavs to the ground
Just focus on playing ball Lebaby not trying to run the team
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21202063/cleveland-cavaliers-not-concerned-several-recent-losses
i like it, i love it i want some more of it! KEEP LOSING CAVS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Seems like every year we get concerned that the Cavs are losing... then the playoffs come.
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Oldest team in the league by far, the Cavs have the worst defensive rating in the NBA vs a weak schedule so far.
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If IT isn't good to go when he returns they are cooked. Pretty crazy to think they're entire season hinges on someone coming off a hip injury.
IT4 gonna get cooked on the defensive end. Expose this fraud and you're all set.
I absolutely love Isaiah, but Kyrie will take him to school one on one, when be doesn't have Avery, Marcus, and Al to cover for him.
Crowder, Smith, and Thompson just isn't q
quite the same.
Yeah, I'm pretty excited for the mismatch opportunities that Brad can exploit. If you think Washington took advantage of IT's size, just wait until Brad gets a chance to exploit that matchup with even bigger guards like Brown and Smart or more offensively dynamic guards like Kyrie and Rozier.
Yeah. Who the heck is IT going to guard on this Celtic starting lineup?
I'm looking forward to seeing that as well. Kyrie and Brown will just go right over him. Smart will bulldoze him. Rozier will fly by and over him.
IT's best hope is to guard Marcus and hope Smart tries to bomb away from outside.
the thing is, Boston has no one that can guard IT either, especially since you can't double team him like teams could do last year.
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Seems like every year we get concerned that the Cavs are losing... then the playoffs come.
The Warriors are the reason why things are different this year. Not only are the Cavs old but their best/longest tenured players know that they can't win a title. They gave it a shot last season and weren't even close. An old team like the Cavs is nothing without true faith in their ability to win at the highest level. I don't believe that they can remain motivated to get better everyday. As I mentioned earlier, they could still make the Finals if IT is 100%. His return should give them an added boost and something to rally around against equal/inferior competition.
LeBron isn't the type of leader to demand the best out of his teammates. He will just shrug his shoulders and put forth his best individual effort if they make it to the Finals. However, once things start to sour he will give up on the defensive end. His finals stats will probably be 30/10/8 on 55% shooting. Then he will give the same old speech about his numbers like he did when Miami lost to the Spurs.
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If IT isn't good to go when he returns they are cooked. Pretty crazy to think they're entire season hinges on someone coming off a hip injury.
IT4 gonna get cooked on the defensive end. Expose this fraud and you're all set.
I absolutely love Isaiah, but Kyrie will take him to school one on one, when be doesn't have Avery, Marcus, and Al to cover for him.
Crowder, Smith, and Thompson just isn't q
quite the same.
Yeah, I'm pretty excited for the mismatch opportunities that Brad can exploit. If you think Washington took advantage of IT's size, just wait until Brad gets a chance to exploit that matchup with even bigger guards like Brown and Smart or more offensively dynamic guards like Kyrie and Rozier.
Yeah. Who the heck is IT going to guard on this Celtic starting lineup?
I'm looking forward to seeing that as well. Kyrie and Brown will just go right over him. Smart will bulldoze him. Rozier will fly by and over him.
IT's best hope is to guard Marcus and hope Smart tries to bomb away from outside.
the thing is, Boston has no one that can guard IT either, especially since you can't double team him like teams could do last year.
We have a lot of skilled defenders at all positions: smart, brown, ojeleye, horford, god even Kyrie, so no matter who sets the pick, we can switch, trap, etc.
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If IT isn't good to go when he returns they are cooked. Pretty crazy to think they're entire season hinges on someone coming off a hip injury.
IT4 gonna get cooked on the defensive end. Expose this fraud and you're all set.
I absolutely love Isaiah, but Kyrie will take him to school one on one, when be doesn't have Avery, Marcus, and Al to cover for him.
Crowder, Smith, and Thompson just isn't q
quite the same.
Yeah, I'm pretty excited for the mismatch opportunities that Brad can exploit. If you think Washington took advantage of IT's size, just wait until Brad gets a chance to exploit that matchup with even bigger guards like Brown and Smart or more offensively dynamic guards like Kyrie and Rozier.
Yeah. Who the heck is IT going to guard on this Celtic starting lineup?
I'm looking forward to seeing that as well. Kyrie and Brown will just go right over him. Smart will bulldoze him. Rozier will fly by and over him.
IT's best hope is to guard Marcus and hope Smart tries to bomb away from outside.
the thing is, Boston has no one that can guard IT either, especially since you can't double team him like teams could do last year.
We have a lot of skilled defenders at all positions: smart, brown, ojeleye, horford, god even Kyrie, so no matter who sets the pick, we can switch, trap, etc.
none of those players can guard Thomas, not even Smart. You can't just focus on one end of the floor and not look at the other end. Sure Thomas can't guard Irving, but Irving can't guard Thomas either.
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If IT isn't good to go when he returns they are cooked. Pretty crazy to think they're entire season hinges on someone coming off a hip injury.
IT4 gonna get cooked on the defensive end. Expose this fraud and you're all set.
I absolutely love Isaiah, but Kyrie will take him to school one on one, when be doesn't have Avery, Marcus, and Al to cover for him.
Crowder, Smith, and Thompson just isn't q
quite the same.
Yeah, I'm pretty excited for the mismatch opportunities that Brad can exploit. If you think Washington took advantage of IT's size, just wait until Brad gets a chance to exploit that matchup with even bigger guards like Brown and Smart or more offensively dynamic guards like Kyrie and Rozier.
Yeah. Who the heck is IT going to guard on this Celtic starting lineup?
I'm looking forward to seeing that as well. Kyrie and Brown will just go right over him. Smart will bulldoze him. Rozier will fly by and over him.
IT's best hope is to guard Marcus and hope Smart tries to bomb away from outside.
the thing is, Boston has no one that can guard IT either, especially since you can't double team him like teams could do last year.
A) Smart and Brown will certainly be able to hold their own against IT. You don't have to stop him, just make it more difficult for him, which both of those guys can do with their size and length;
B) IT will not be anywhere close to 100% or fully acclimated into this team this year (and I expect him to leave this summer anyways);
C) The difference with IT is that he's both a bad defender AND a huge mismatch due to his diminutive size. We literally don't have anyone that can be picked on like IT was last year, which is the point of this whole conversation.
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If IT isn't good to go when he returns they are cooked. Pretty crazy to think they're entire season hinges on someone coming off a hip injury.
IT4 gonna get cooked on the defensive end. Expose this fraud and you're all set.
I absolutely love Isaiah, but Kyrie will take him to school one on one, when be doesn't have Avery, Marcus, and Al to cover for him.
Crowder, Smith, and Thompson just isn't q
quite the same.
Yeah, I'm pretty excited for the mismatch opportunities that Brad can exploit. If you think Washington took advantage of IT's size, just wait until Brad gets a chance to exploit that matchup with even bigger guards like Brown and Smart or more offensively dynamic guards like Kyrie and Rozier.
Yeah. Who the heck is IT going to guard on this Celtic starting lineup?
I'm looking forward to seeing that as well. Kyrie and Brown will just go right over him. Smart will bulldoze him. Rozier will fly by and over him.
IT's best hope is to guard Marcus and hope Smart tries to bomb away from outside.
the thing is, Boston has no one that can guard IT either, especially since you can't double team him like teams could do last year.
We have a lot of skilled defenders at all positions: smart, brown, ojeleye, horford, god even Kyrie, so no matter who sets the pick, we can switch, trap, etc.
none of those players can guard Thomas, not even Smart. You can't just focus on one end of the floor and not look at the other end. Sure Thomas can't guard Irving, but Irving can't guard Thomas either.
Smart absolutely can guard IT, and Brown will give him fits, too. Remember how much IT has struggled in the past with lengthy defenders like Shumpert and Livingston on him?
Besides, you're missing the entire point with this discussion. It's not about bad defenders; it's about IT's size creating significant mismatches that there's just nothing that they can do about. That's not something we have to worry about anymore.
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If IT isn't good to go when he returns they are cooked. Pretty crazy to think they're entire season hinges on someone coming off a hip injury.
IT4 gonna get cooked on the defensive end. Expose this fraud and you're all set.
I absolutely love Isaiah, but Kyrie will take him to school one on one, when be doesn't have Avery, Marcus, and Al to cover for him.
Crowder, Smith, and Thompson just isn't q
quite the same.
Yeah, I'm pretty excited for the mismatch opportunities that Brad can exploit. If you think Washington took advantage of IT's size, just wait until Brad gets a chance to exploit that matchup with even bigger guards like Brown and Smart or more offensively dynamic guards like Kyrie and Rozier.
Yeah. Who the heck is IT going to guard on this Celtic starting lineup?
I'm looking forward to seeing that as well. Kyrie and Brown will just go right over him. Smart will bulldoze him. Rozier will fly by and over him.
IT's best hope is to guard Marcus and hope Smart tries to bomb away from outside.
the thing is, Boston has no one that can guard IT either, especially since you can't double team him like teams could do last year.
We have a lot of skilled defenders at all positions: smart, brown, ojeleye, horford, god even Kyrie, so no matter who sets the pick, we can switch, trap, etc.
none of those players can guard Thomas, not even Smart. You can't just focus on one end of the floor and not look at the other end. Sure Thomas can't guard Irving, but Irving can't guard Thomas either.
Smart absolutely can guard IT, and Brown will give him fits, too. Remember how much IT has struggled in the past with lengthy defenders like Shumpert and Livingston on him?
Besides, you're missing the entire point with this discussion. It's not about bad defenders; it's about IT's size creating significant mismatches that there's just nothing that they can do about. That's not something we have to worry about anymore.
exactly. watching IT in the playoffs has exposed how the better teams can close him down on offense. we have lengthy, athletic guards that can bother his shot. not to mention we've got solid defenders at all positions so the C's should be able to impact IT's offensive capabilities.
this won't just impact his shooting but his passing as well. how many times did IT have to jump or contort himself to make a pass over or by his defender the past couple of years? more than a normal-sized PG would have to. Just watching Kyrie this year has been a joy having a PG not have to go through that physical limitation to score or pass.
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I wonder if Lebron and the " Over the Hill Gang ". .....think they can beat John Wall and the Wizards at Washington 's home court. Beal and Wall are chomping at the bit to slay that team.
without Thompson too....he seemed pretty crippled up.
IT save us !
This should be a fun game to watch .
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If IT isn't good to go when he returns they are cooked. Pretty crazy to think they're entire season hinges on someone coming off a hip injury.
IT4 gonna get cooked on the defensive end. Expose this fraud and you're all set.
I absolutely love Isaiah, but Kyrie will take him to school one on one, when be doesn't have Avery, Marcus, and Al to cover for him.
Crowder, Smith, and Thompson just isn't q
quite the same.
Yeah, I'm pretty excited for the mismatch opportunities that Brad can exploit. If you think Washington took advantage of IT's size, just wait until Brad gets a chance to exploit that matchup with even bigger guards like Brown and Smart or more offensively dynamic guards like Kyrie and Rozier.
Yeah. Who the heck is IT going to guard on this Celtic starting lineup?
I'm looking forward to seeing that as well. Kyrie and Brown will just go right over him. Smart will bulldoze him. Rozier will fly by and over him.
IT's best hope is to guard Marcus and hope Smart tries to bomb away from outside.
the thing is, Boston has no one that can guard IT either, especially since you can't double team him like teams could do last year.
We have a lot of skilled defenders at all positions: smart, brown, ojeleye, horford, god even Kyrie, so no matter who sets the pick, we can switch, trap, etc.
none of those players can guard Thomas, not even Smart. You can't just focus on one end of the floor and not look at the other end. Sure Thomas can't guard Irving, but Irving can't guard Thomas either.
Smart absolutely can guard IT, and Brown will give him fits, too. Remember how much IT has struggled in the past with lengthy defenders like Shumpert and Livingston on him?
Besides, you're missing the entire point with this discussion. It's not about bad defenders; it's about IT's size creating significant mismatches that there's just nothing that they can do about. That's not something we have to worry about anymore.
exactly. watching IT in the playoffs has exposed how the better teams can close him down on offense. we have lengthy, athletic guards that can bother his shot. not to mention we've got solid defenders at all positions so the C's should be able to impact IT's offensive capabilities.
this won't just impact his shooting but his passing as well. how many times did IT have to jump or contort himself to make a pass over or by his defender the past couple of years? more than a normal-sized PG would have to. Just watching Kyrie this year has been a joy having a PG not have to go through that physical limitation to score or pass.
watching him in the playoffs where Al Horford and Avery Bradley are the 2nd and 3rd offensive options, is no where near the same thing as watching him in the playoffs where he isn't even the 1st option and the 3rd option is far better than Horford or Bradley.
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Seems like every year we get concerned that the Cavs are losing... then the playoffs come.
The Warriors are the reason why things are different this year. Not only are the Cavs old but their best/longest tenured players know that they can't win a title. They gave it a shot last season and weren't even close. An old team like the Cavs is nothing without true faith in their ability to win at the highest level. I don't believe that they can remain motivated to get better everyday. As I mentioned earlier, they could still make the Finals if IT is 100%. His return should give them an added boost and something to rally around against equal/inferior competition.
LeBron isn't the type of leader to demand the best out of his teammates. He will just shrug his shoulders and put forth his best individual effort if they make it to the Finals. However, once things start to sour he will give up on the defensive end. His finals stats will probably be 30/10/8 on 55% shooting. Then he will give the same old speech about his numbers like he did when Miami lost to the Spurs.
Come on man. Dude's led his team to the finals like, seven years in a row. Let's not invent things.
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Seems like every year we get concerned that the Cavs are losing... then the playoffs come.
People tend to oveelook how important Kyrie was to the Cavs. With Kyrie they afforded themselves to coast in the regular season because when the playoffs roll around they had the 2 best players in the east...not so anymore.
If they are not careful and Lebron does not go into Lebron mode...which he is already doing now and yet they are losing..they are in danger of becoming a fringe playoff team...heck if lebron tweaks an ankle and miss significant time they are toast.
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Seems like every year we get concerned that the Cavs are losing... then the playoffs come.
The Warriors are the reason why things are different this year. Not only are the Cavs old but their best/longest tenured players know that they can't win a title. They gave it a shot last season and weren't even close. An old team like the Cavs is nothing without true faith in their ability to win at the highest level. I don't believe that they can remain motivated to get better everyday. As I mentioned earlier, they could still make the Finals if IT is 100%. His return should give them an added boost and something to rally around against equal/inferior competition.
LeBron isn't the type of leader to demand the best out of his teammates. He will just shrug his shoulders and put forth his best individual effort if they make it to the Finals. However, once things start to sour he will give up on the defensive end. His finals stats will probably be 30/10/8 on 55% shooting. Then he will give the same old speech about his numbers like he did when Miami lost to the Spurs.
Come on man. Dude's led his team to the finals like, seven years in a row. Let's not invent things.
I don't think I am off base on this. LeBron is the most freakish talent in the history of the NBA. I personally give him majority of the credit. It's been a long time since the East had a true threat. When has there been a team truly as talented as a LeBron's in the East during his Finals streak? Chicago and Indiana were gritty but it would have taken perfection to beat LeBron. They rose to the occasion and I respect the way both teams played. The competition has gotten even worse in LeBron's 2nd stint with the Cavs. Put his teams in the West and I don't think everything plays out the same way.
Why do you think Kyrie wanted out? If LeBron truly demanded the best and had the respect of his teammates then I don't think you would have seen Kyrie play ISO ball for three years. Did it work? Of course it did because their talent was far superior to the rest of the East. Is my comment really that out of touch when you look at the things Kyrie is doing in Boston? LeBron has a vice grip over any situation and it prevents his teams from having real structure.
Those Miami teams were far and away the most talented group in the East during that era. Not only did they have a great big three, but all of their role players were ALREADY established prior to arriving in Miami. Did Shane Battier, Ray Allen, Chalmers, and Haslem buy in because of LeBron's "leadership". I think the real answer is that they were all capable role players who understood what was necessary on the most talented team in the NBA. LeBron wasn't the driver of their character. Look what happened when they played the Spurs. That team literally gave up and mailed it in.
We will see how things play out this season. I will gain a lot of respect for LeBron if he can rally the team and put up a true fight until the end. I just don't buy into that happening because LeBron will mail it in when things go south.
I refuse to bash LeBron as an individual player. He is top 5 no doubt. However, there are many players that were greater leaders.
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According to Windhorst: Weighed by minutes played, the Cavs have the oldest roster in the league and we have the youngest.
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According to Windhorst: Weighed by minutes played, the Cavs have the oldest roster in the league and we have the youngest.
The Cavs need to adopt a grit and balls mentality. It's time for those veterans to re-brand themselves. It would be wise for them to use our 2011-12 Celtics as an example. This Cavs team is still way more talented then that group. For once I want to see a LeBron team leave everything on the floor in a season where they aren't good enough to win.
I don't count his first Finals team as an example either. LeBron had no real pressure at that point and was still transitioning into the best player in the NBA.
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According to Windhorst: Weighed by minutes played, the Cavs have the oldest roster in the league and we have the youngest.
tables have turned. Celtics big 3 vs Lebron heat was almost the opposite
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Seems like every year we get concerned that the Cavs are losing... then the playoffs come.
People tend to oveelook how important Kyrie was to the Cavs. With Kyrie they afforded themselves to coast in the regular season because when the playoffs roll around they had the 2 best players in the east...not so anymore.
If they are not careful and Lebron does not go into Lebron mode...which he is already doing now and yet they are losing..they are in danger of becoming a fringe playoff team...heck if lebron tweaks an ankle and miss significant time they are toast.
very true
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Hopefully they will trade for Bledsoe and still suck. Alll The buyouts will go there too. I see the Lakers in Lebron's future. All is well here in Boston. I love their turmoil. Tyron Lue is now over his head, too.
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If this continues into the playoffs, do we have a shot at the nba finals?
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Sure if the Cavs are out its wide open. Though I think unless we figure out how to score the ball quite a bit better the Raptors/Wizards would be able to beat us in a series given their overall level of play and our inexperience.
Whole lot of rookies/young players in our rotation even if we shorten it for the playoffs.
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So, Cavs fall to Atlanta Hawks at the Q.
They lose 6 of their last 7 or is my math off lol.
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Right now they lack heart.
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Right now they lack heart.
IT will take care of the heart issue..God knows he has tons of that. But how bad will they be by time he returns?
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They are behind the Sixers, tied with the Nets, and a half game difference with the Lakers. The wheels are coming off the bus in Cleveland.
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Right now they lack heart.
th y are major screwed now
Tristan out for weeks ....he was about their only serious defender
Teams with bigs ...will destroy the Cavs........lebron does not want to play defense ....
he might get hurt.
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Still too early to get happy.
At worst, they'll middle about right around a 6 or 7 seed until Feb, then get a healthy IT back and go on a major roll.
"IF" they get completely healthy and IT has the same effect THERE that he did HERE? They'll be juggernaut, no doubt.
IT is a charismatic talent and their season is seemingly hinged on whether he makes it back - and I believe he will.
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Still too early to get happy.
At worst, they'll middle about right around a 6 or 7 seed until Feb, then get a healthy IT back and go on a major roll.
"IF" they get completely healthy and IT has the same effect THERE that he did HERE? They'll be juggernaut, no doubt.
IT is a charismatic talent and their season is seemingly hinged on whether he makes it back - and I believe he will.
I am genuinely curious if the same people that think Hayward won't be able to help us if he can play in April because of rust think IT is going to come in and play great basketball after 7-8 months without a game. I think it is a bit silly to expect either of them to immediately be a star upon return. I don't think IT will ever quite be the same cause he has such a small margin of error
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Next up for Cavs
Greek Freaky
GO Bucks !
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Next up for Cavs
Greek Freaky
GO Bucks !
Lebron gonna score 50+ pts again. ;D
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Still too early to get happy.
At worst, they'll middle about right around a 6 or 7 seed until Feb, then get a healthy IT back and go on a major roll.
"IF" they get completely healthy and IT has the same effect THERE that he did HERE? They'll be juggernaut, no doubt.
IT is a charismatic talent and their season is seemingly hinged on whether he makes it back - and I believe he will.
I am genuinely curious if the same people that think Hayward won't be able to help us if he can play in April because of rust think IT is going to come in and play great basketball after 7-8 months without a game. I think it is a bit silly to expect either of them to immediately be a star upon return. I don't think IT will ever quite be the same cause he has such a small margin of error
Well, we have two separate issues with IT and GH -
Most of us are pretty much reserved to GH being done, with a VERY small hope of him coming back in April.
"IF" we get an 80% healthy (and improving) GH then sure he could come off the bench and be a HUGE help to us.
As for IT? I've never written him off, as some of us have. I caught a glimpse of him on the sideline of the WAS-CLE game (one where LeBron went off), and IT had that SAME Steel-Eyed determination that he had in BOS.
It was eerie.
I knew RIGHT THERE that IT is only waiting on his imminent return.
BOS had better be ready and my guess is that we will.
IT isn't done, by any stretch.
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Still too early to get happy.
At worst, they'll middle about right around a 6 or 7 seed until Feb, then get a healthy IT back and go on a major roll.
"IF" they get completely healthy and IT has the same effect THERE that he did HERE? They'll be juggernaut, no doubt.
IT is a charismatic talent and their season is seemingly hinged on whether he makes it back - and I believe he will.
I am genuinely curious if the same people that think Hayward won't be able to help us if he can play in April because of rust think IT is going to come in and play great basketball after 7-8 months without a game. I think it is a bit silly to expect either of them to immediately be a star upon return. I don't think IT will ever quite be the same cause he has such a small margin of error
agree in order for IT to pull off those incredible scores , he needs to be able to go 100 % with speed and agility to make up for his size AND to defend a guy 12 inches taller he needs to push his body every time down court ......leap at max height .....turn on a dime ...acceleration at max to overcome the height handicap. PLUS his presence put tons more pressiure on the other four guy .....on on this team these old dudes won't defend THEIR own guy routinely. I think IT is gonna be left on his own to defendnd 6-3 6-8 guards . And does anyone think Lou has the nerve or muscle or brains to get the rest of the Cavs to cover for IT . I might be wrong , but I doubt it.
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Still too early to get happy.
At worst, they'll middle about right around a 6 or 7 seed until Feb, then get a healthy IT back and go on a major roll.
"IF" they get completely healthy and IT has the same effect THERE that he did HERE? They'll be juggernaut, no doubt.
IT is a charismatic talent and their season is seemingly hinged on whether he makes it back - and I believe he will.
I am genuinely curious if the same people that think Hayward won't be able to help us if he can play in April because of rust think IT is going to come in and play great basketball after 7-8 months without a game. I think it is a bit silly to expect either of them to immediately be a star upon return. I don't think IT will ever quite be the same cause he has such a small margin of error
I think there are a couple of differences:
1) IT has a longer runway to shake off rust. I think it’ll take about a month for both of those guys to really be back at full speed once they’re ready to get game action. For IT, that means by the other side of the All-Star break he should be hitting his stride. For Hayward, that’s a round, maybe two, into the playoffs. It’s a lot more difficult to make time for a guy to find his way when the games matter as much as they do in the playoffs, and make time for his team to adjust to his presence.
2) I think IT will find that he has a lot more room to work with having LeBron in the court. Even if he’s not quite the same physical player (which I think is a bit of an assumption on your part) he’ll get more open 3s off the catch, and will rarely if ever see double-teams.
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Still too early to get happy.
At worst, they'll middle about right around a 6 or 7 seed until Feb, then get a healthy IT back and go on a major roll.
"IF" they get completely healthy and IT has the same effect THERE that he did HERE? They'll be juggernaut, no doubt.
IT is a charismatic talent and their season is seemingly hinged on whether he makes it back - and I believe he will.
I am genuinely curious if the same people that think Hayward won't be able to help us if he can play in April because of rust think IT is going to come in and play great basketball after 7-8 months without a game. I think it is a bit silly to expect either of them to immediately be a star upon return. I don't think IT will ever quite be the same cause he has such a small margin of error
Hayward said he was out for the season. They've talked about IT being back in January. I think he needs to be back by the allstar break to make a significant impact for the playoffs. He needs to play himself into playoff basketball shape but he'll also need to gel with his teammates. Even if that occurs I don't see him being as impactful as last season. He was in an optimal situation playing for us. I'd expect some dropoff just like with Turner and Crawford.
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Cavs have terrible coaching and lineups. Jr Smith is bad, Tristan Thompson was averaging 4/6 (makes someone like sullinger look good.) Kevin love disappears
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Still too early to get happy.
At worst, they'll middle about right around a 6 or 7 seed until Feb, then get a healthy IT back and go on a major roll.
"IF" they get completely healthy and IT has the same effect THERE that he did HERE? They'll be juggernaut, no doubt.
IT is a charismatic talent and their season is seemingly hinged on whether he makes it back - and I believe he will.
It is never too early to be happy in life!
I was happy 6:30 AM when I saw the results from last night. ;D
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Not worry about IT comeback at all
1.he must be 100% healthy otherwise he will be like last year(get worse everygame) and i don't think he wants that, and it's been 4 months he still can't run even half speed
2.Even if 100% he still needs a system to cover his defense and to get him open, which the Cavs simply won't have
3.This Celtic defense of Height Length Athleticism is the absolute Counter for players like him
(also the biggest weakness of last year's team and the reason we suffer against the Cavs)
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Right now they lack heart.
IT will take care of the heart issue..God knows he has tons of that. But how bad will they be by time he returns?
IT alone isn't going do nothing, it's a team effort
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I think it's time to acknowledge the real problem in Cleveland. I got bashed for saying this earlier but LeBron's vice grip on the organization is 100% responsible for their struggles. He doesn't inspire his teammates or command respect. I think most of his teammates like him on a personal level but there are so many double standards when it comes to basketball. He hasn't played any defense this season but Lue can't do anything about it. How is the rest of the team supposed to get better when LeBron is impossible to coach? Shaq has mentioned that Mike Brown wasn't allowed to call out the "King" in practice. Kyrie's comments since the trade reinforce all of these things. Also, let's not forget that Kyrie would still be in Cleveland if none of these things were true.
LeBron is incapable of buying into a process and winning culture. The only exception is when the talent around him is clearly equivalent and/or superior to the rest of the league. His complaint about needing more talent last season was ridiculous. The Cavs were perfectly capable of being a good defensive team. The "King" just wasn't willing to lead and put in the day-to-day work necessary for that to happen.
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I think it's time to acknowledge the real problem in Cleveland. I got bashed for saying this earlier but LeBron's vice grip on the organization is 100% responsible for their struggles. He doesn't inspire his teammates or command respect. I think most of his teammates like him on a personal level but there are so many double standards when it comes to basketball. He hasn't played any defense this season but Lue can't do anything about it. How is the rest of the team supposed to get better when LeBron is impossible to coach? Shaq has mentioned that Mike Brown wasn't allowed to call out the "King" in practice. Kyrie's comments since the trade reinforce all of these things. Also, let's not forget that Kyrie would still be in Cleveland if none of these things were true.
LeBron is incapable of buying into a process and winning culture. The only exception is when the talent around him is clearly equivalent and/or superior to the rest of the league. His complaint about needing more talent last season was ridiculous. The Cavs were perfectly capable of being a good defensive team. The "King" just wasn't willing to lead and put in the day-to-day work necessary for that to happen.
He is either lazy or paranoid about injury . He rarely plays to his potential any more. Or just lays down and quit like he did against the spurs last year.
He is a poor leader and i would hate to have to be on a team with him. There is no clear order of authority .
He should be their captain or leader on court but not their employer.
His relationship with the whole organization has got out of hand .
I don't see many NBa teams Owners, GM, coach willing to give up their power to Lewhine. Maybe the Lakers .....thats a weirdo bunch in LA.
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I think it's time to acknowledge the real problem in Cleveland. I got bashed for saying this earlier but LeBron's vice grip on the organization is 100% responsible for their struggles. He doesn't inspire his teammates or command respect. I think most of his teammates like him on a personal level but there are so many double standards when it comes to basketball. He hasn't played any defense this season but Lue can't do anything about it. How is the rest of the team supposed to get better when LeBron is impossible to coach? Shaq has mentioned that Mike Brown wasn't allowed to call out the "King" in practice. Kyrie's comments since the trade reinforce all of these things. Also, let's not forget that Kyrie would still be in Cleveland if none of these things were true.
LeBron is incapable of buying into a process and winning culture. The only exception is when the talent around him is clearly equivalent and/or superior to the rest of the league. His complaint about needing more talent last season was ridiculous. The Cavs were perfectly capable of being a good defensive team. The "King" just wasn't willing to lead and put in the day-to-day work necessary for that to happen.
He is either lazy or paranoid about injury . He rarely plays to his potential. Or just lays down and quit like he did against the spurs last year.
I think his IQ, talent, and skill has been so far ahead of everyone else that he doesn't have the desire to put in the work during practice. He could be such an amazing mentor to young players if he had a better attitude. I also agree with you about the Finals. He conveniently puts up monster stat lines in most of these losses but it doesn't change the fact that his defense completely disappears. He would rather go beast mode in isolation than inspire his teammates to move the ball as a unit and dig in on defense. LeBron resorts to what he knows instead of challenging himself to trust others.
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Still too early to get happy.
At worst, they'll middle about right around a 6 or 7 seed until Feb, then get a healthy IT back and go on a major roll.
"IF" they get completely healthy and IT has the same effect THERE that he did HERE? They'll be juggernaut, no doubt.
IT is a charismatic talent and their season is seemingly hinged on whether he makes it back - and I believe he will.
It is never too early to be happy in life!
I was happy 6:30 AM when I saw the results from last night. ;D
This. Regardless of where they end up in March, nothing is going to stop me from being happy that the Cavs are 4-6 right now.
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I think we've happy because there doesn't seem to be any end in sight for the Cavs and many of us after the Gordon injury to handed the Cavs the division.
My happiness is I was wrong this Celtics team is playing great to start the season.
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Right now they lack heart.
IT will take care of the heart issue..God knows he has tons of that. But how bad will they be by time he returns?
IT alone isn't going do nothing, it's a team effort
IT also isn't helping their defensive woes.
A 6th or 7th seed Cavs team is not making it to the Finals. This will break LeBron's streak of 7 in a row. It will be said (finally) THAT LeBron is on the downside of his career.
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Did anyone see/read Wade's comments after the game yesterday? Looks like we might be seeing the 2016/17 Bulls version 2.0.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21307600/tensions-rise-bench-starters-cleveland-cavaliers-continue-slide
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Did anyone see/read Wade's comments after the game yesterday? Looks like we might be seeing the 2016/17 Bulls version 2.0.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21307600/tensions-rise-bench-starters-cleveland-cavaliers-continue-slide
Pretty interesting he is pushing a divide of the team like this. For those that were debating how big an ego wade had, this is the kind of thing that happens with fading stars...
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When Kyle Korver is your second best player at the moment. You are in trouble.
This may be the hole that Lebron finally does not dig himself out of.
And yes Tyrone Lue is in over his head too.
When you let a player play GM it will bite you sooner or later
Loving every minute of it.
The 2019 First round pick owed to Atlanta is looking mighty good for the Hawks at moment.
Prediction: Kevin Love will not be on the Cavs next year either.
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Did anyone see/read Wade's comments after the game yesterday? Looks like we might be seeing the 2016/17 Bulls version 2.0.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21307600/tensions-rise-bench-starters-cleveland-cavaliers-continue-slide
Pretty interesting he is pushing a divide of the team like this. For those that were debating how big an ego wade had, this is the kind of thing that happens with fading stars...
lol. Can't believe he is doing this. He definitely did not volunteer to go on the bench is he's calling out the starters now
I remember on the bulls rondo called out wade for not going to practice. I believe rondo
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Lebron posted his mood: https://instagram.com/p/BbLakZ_hRY7/
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Cavs are in trouble and to make things worse LeBron was caught sliding into an IG models DM's
http://nypost.com/2017/11/07/model-reveals-how-lebron-james-slid-into-her-dms/
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Cavs are in trouble and to make things worse LeBron was caught sliding into an IG models DM's
http://nypost.com/2017/11/07/model-reveals-how-lebron-james-slid-into-her-dms/
I honestly am pretty surprised by that....
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Cavs are in trouble and to make things worse LeBron was caught sliding into an IG models DM's
http://nypost.com/2017/11/07/model-reveals-how-lebron-james-slid-into-her-dms/
woo hoo .....
you go boy eee......
get ya sum of dat ......
axe TIGER ......dey gett n half yo stuff
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Love is all lovey dovey in front of the media. lkis kiss kis. lebron....oh thank you for the ring ...he d most likely like to shove that ring up the kings rear.
but you know like Bosh , the role he plays just sucks ...when your a great player too.
Love is probably been scheming to make a break too soon as the right time arises.
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Trade Lebron!!!!!!!
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Is it now adultery to ask a girl how to hunt? Lol let’s not overreact. But yeah it’s questionable A little
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Is it now adultery to ask a girl how to hunt? Lol let’s not overreact. But yeah it’s questionable A little
I don't think it is necessarily a crime, but I can't imagine Mrs. James is very pleased to see that.
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Is it now adultery to ask a girl how to hunt? Lol let’s not overreact. But yeah it’s questionable A little
I don't think it is necessarily a crime, but I can't imagine Mrs. James is very pleased to see that.
i agree. At the very least it’s going to make dinner very awkward. Lots of broken home items in lebron a future. If it blows up to espn, it can affect his mental state during games maybe too
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IT is talking more and more trash on Twitter
https://twitter.com/Isaiah_Thomas/status/927391144589262848
I really am going to feel bad for him if he comes back and is half the player he used to be.
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Is it now adultery to ask a girl how to hunt? Lol let’s not overreact. But yeah it’s questionable A little
I don't think it is necessarily a crime, but I can't imagine Mrs. James is very pleased to see that.
i agree. At the very least it’s going to make dinner very awkward. Lots of broken home items in lebron a future. If it blows up to espn, it can affect his mental state during games maybe too
This is just sad if true. Is it proven? Or is it basically her word about the DM?
If true, its just sad, because he has been one of the few guys who stayed with the same girl in his rise to stardom and financial mogul status. One of the most respectable parts of him as a guy was his attitude toward his family. It makes you feel for his boys too.
Hopefully none of it is true, or if it is, the wrongs can be righted.
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Is it now adultery to ask a girl how to hunt? Lol let’s not overreact. But yeah it’s questionable A little
I don't think it is necessarily a crime, but I can't imagine Mrs. James is very pleased to see that.
i agree. At the very least it’s going to make dinner very awkward. Lots of broken home items in lebron a future. If it blows up to espn, it can affect his mental state during games maybe too
This is just sad if true. Is it proven? Or is it basically her word about the DM?
If true, its just sad, because he has been one of the few guys who stayed with the same girl in his rise to stardom and financial mogul status. One of the most respectable parts of him as a guy was his attitude toward his family. It makes you feel for his boys too.
Hopefully none of it is true, or if it is, the wrongs can be righted.
It’s true she explains how it went down on her YouTube channel https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_zXD9uYii7E
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Cavs are in trouble and to make things worse LeBron was caught sliding into an IG models DM's
http://nypost.com/2017/11/07/model-reveals-how-lebron-james-slid-into-her-dms/
Yeah I don't really believe that until she shows us the message at least... I mean I can say Jessica Alba invited me to hunt too, doesn't mean its true lol.
Its her words against Lebron's, and honestly... No offense, but what do you guys expect? Its just slightly convenient that all of times, Lebron reaches out to a model on IG, when this guy can get anyone he wants lol. I just don't believe that at all.
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Okay I can't seem to edit my post for some reason. (Coffeeshop's wifi?)
But man, shaking my head.... Wow.
(https://ssl.ulximg.com/public/userfiles/2017/11/unnamed-488x868.jpg)
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Okay I can't seem to edit my post for some reason. (Coffeeshop's wifi?)
But man, shaking my head.... Wow.
(https://ssl.ulximg.com/public/userfiles/2017/11/unnamed-488x868.jpg)
Yikes. Screenshot is kinda' [dang]ing.
I'm in a coffee shop too! In Iowa! Where you at?
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Okay I can't seem to edit my post for some reason. (Coffeeshop's wifi?)
But man, shaking my head.... Wow.
(https://ssl.ulximg.com/public/userfiles/2017/11/unnamed-488x868.jpg)
Yikes. Screenshot is kinda' [dang]ing.
I'm in a coffee shop too! In Iowa! Where you at?
Lol, in Korean town in Virginia.
Annandale haha.
Thing is we still don't know what Lebron was trying to do, and if he invited his family, that could certainly save his butt lol. But man, oh man, this isn't a good look haha.
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Okay I can't seem to edit my post for some reason. (Coffeeshop's wifi?)
But man, shaking my head.... Wow.
(https://ssl.ulximg.com/public/userfiles/2017/11/unnamed-488x868.jpg)
Yikes. Screenshot is kinda' [dang]ing.
I'm in a coffee shop too! In Iowa! Where you at?
Lol, in Korean town in Virginia.
Annandale haha.
Thing is we still don't know what Lebron was trying to do, and if he invited his family, that could certainly save his butt lol. But man, oh man, this isn't a good look haha.
Is the hunting thing just a shtick to get guys to follow her instagram, or is this a real hobby for her? Why's Lebron dming a supermodel to help teach him and his family to hunt? I doubt that. Is there no one else that can teach him that?
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Okay I can't seem to edit my post for some reason. (Coffeeshop's wifi?)
But man, shaking my head.... Wow.
(https://ssl.ulximg.com/public/userfiles/2017/11/unnamed-488x868.jpg)
Yikes. Screenshot is kinda' [dang]ing.
I'm in a coffee shop too! In Iowa! Where you at?
Lol, in Korean town in Virginia.
Annandale haha.
Thing is we still don't know what Lebron was trying to do, and if he invited his family, that could certainly save his butt lol. But man, oh man, this isn't a good look haha.
Is the hunting thing just a shtick to get guys to follow her instagram, or is this a real hobby for her? Why's Lebron dming a supermodel to help teach him and his family to hunt? I doubt that. Is there no one else that can teach him that?
No clue. Thing is Lebron could hire someone else professionally with the amount of starpower and wealth he has. He's literally asking for trouble hitting up a model like that for hunting tips when we clearly know what his game plan is lol. :angel:
She does post videos of her hunting and fishing, but she is by no means, that 'good.' My buddy of mine who has done hunting semi-professionally, tells me he has watched some of her snapchat videos and tutorials, and he says her form and technique isn't that great. But she has a lot of followers due to her 'assets?' I guess? Lol, I'm not trying to be judgmental, but man I lost a lot of respect for LBJ if this is indeed true.
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Okay I can't seem to edit my post for some reason. (Coffeeshop's wifi?)
But man, shaking my head.... Wow.
(https://ssl.ulximg.com/public/userfiles/2017/11/unnamed-488x868.jpg)
Yikes. Screenshot is kinda' [dang]ing.
I'm in a coffee shop too! In Iowa! Where you at?
Lol, in Korean town in Virginia.
Annandale haha.
Thing is we still don't know what Lebron was trying to do, and if he invited his family, that could certainly save his butt lol. But man, oh man, this isn't a good look haha.
Is the hunting thing just a shtick to get guys to follow her instagram, or is this a real hobby for her? Why's Lebron dming a supermodel to help teach him and his family to hunt? I doubt that. Is there no one else that can teach him that?
No clue. Thing is Lebron could hire someone else professionally with the amount of starpower and wealth he has. He's literally asking for trouble hitting up a model like that for hunting tips when we clearly know what his game plan is lol. :angel:
She does post videos of her hunting and fishing, but she is by no means, that 'good.' My buddy of mine who has done hunting semi-professionally, tells me he has watched some of her snapchat videos and tutorials, and he says her form and technique isn't that great. But she has a lot of followers due to her 'assets?' I guess? Lol, I'm not trying to be judgmental, but man I lost a lot of respect for LBJ if this is indeed true.
Just listening to her explanation of the "buck" that she was supposedly referring to gave me a sense that hunting wasn't a natural thing for her. I could be wrong. I know that. I don't know her. I don't know how long she has been hunting, but when she talked about hunting it seemed forced.
It sounds like LBJ missed practice today with a "family issue." Understandable, although he is planning to play tonight. Hopefully he and his wife can work this out.
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Is it now adultery to ask a girl how to hunt? Lol let’s not overreact. But yeah it’s questionable A little
I don't think it is necessarily a crime, but I can't imagine Mrs. James is very pleased to see that.
i agree. At the very least it’s going to make dinner very awkward. Lots of broken home items in lebron a future. If it blows up to espn, it can affect his mental state during games maybe too
Nah, I'm sure his wife knows what's going on. Not the specifics but I think most NBA wives know what they're getting into and have some kind of understanding with their husbands about what happens out on the road.
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Is it now adultery to ask a girl how to hunt? Lol let’s not overreact. But yeah it’s questionable A little
I don't think it is necessarily a crime, but I can't imagine Mrs. James is very pleased to see that.
i agree. At the very least it’s going to make dinner very awkward. Lots of broken home items in lebron a future. If it blows up to espn, it can affect his mental state during games maybe too
Nah, I'm sure his wife knows what's going on. Not the specifics but I think most NBA wives know what they're getting into and have some kind of understanding with their husbands about what happens out on the road.
You think his wife who was his high school sweetheart agreed that he can do what he wants "out on the road"? wow
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Is it now adultery to ask a girl how to hunt? Lol let’s not overreact. But yeah it’s questionable A little
I don't think it is necessarily a crime, but I can't imagine Mrs. James is very pleased to see that.
i agree. At the very least it’s going to make dinner very awkward. Lots of broken home items in lebron a future. If it blows up to espn, it can affect his mental state during games maybe too
Nah, I'm sure his wife knows what's going on. Not the specifics but I think most NBA wives know what they're getting into and have some kind of understanding with their husbands about what happens out on the road.
You think his wife who was his high school sweetheart agreed that he can do what he wants "out on the road"? wow
exactly. This isn’t a kardashian marrying their 5th pro athlete for the paycheck money.
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Is it now adultery to ask a girl how to hunt? Lol let’s not overreact. But yeah it’s questionable A little
I don't think it is necessarily a crime, but I can't imagine Mrs. James is very pleased to see that.
i agree. At the very least it’s going to make dinner very awkward. Lots of broken home items in lebron a future. If it blows up to espn, it can affect his mental state during games maybe too
Nah, I'm sure his wife knows what's going on. Not the specifics but I think most NBA wives know what they're getting into and have some kind of understanding with their husbands about what happens out on the road.
You think his wife who was his high school sweetheart agreed that he can do what he wants "out on the road"? wow
Not saying its true but why would it be a "wow" if she did? Plenty of wives know about their husbands cheating and stay with them. There was that story of Andrei Kirilenko's wife allowing him one cheat a year.
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Is it now adultery to ask a girl how to hunt? Lol let’s not overreact. But yeah it’s questionable A little
I don't think it is necessarily a crime, but I can't imagine Mrs. James is very pleased to see that.
i agree. At the very least it’s going to make dinner very awkward. Lots of broken home items in lebron a future. If it blows up to espn, it can affect his mental state during games maybe too
Nah, I'm sure his wife knows what's going on. Not the specifics but I think most NBA wives know what they're getting into and have some kind of understanding with their husbands about what happens out on the road.
You think his wife who was his high school sweetheart agreed that he can do what he wants "out on the road"? wow
Not saying its true but why would it be a "wow" if she did? Plenty of wives know about their husbands cheating and stay with them. There was that story of Andrei Kirilenko's wife allowing him one cheat a year.
He has presented himself as a family man for a long time (and was one of the things I thought was cool about him as a role model since so many kids are going to look up to him no matter what he says). Him hitting up random attractive women on social media as part of some prearranged arrangement on road trips because he is good at basketball would certainly deserve a "wow."
If you google Lebron James family man you can find him talking about how much he loves his wife and how he has apologized to her for how much she has sacrificed for him to play basketball at the highest level. Pretty sure he wasn't talking about her sacrificing him sleeping with other women there...
Again I don't necessarily know if this is even a real thing, but would be pretty surprising and disappointing if it was....
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Is it now adultery to ask a girl how to hunt? Lol let’s not overreact. But yeah it’s questionable A little
I don't think it is necessarily a crime, but I can't imagine Mrs. James is very pleased to see that.
i agree. At the very least it’s going to make dinner very awkward. Lots of broken home items in lebron a future. If it blows up to espn, it can affect his mental state during games maybe too
Nah, I'm sure his wife knows what's going on. Not the specifics but I think most NBA wives know what they're getting into and have some kind of understanding with their husbands about what happens out on the road.
You think his wife who was his high school sweetheart agreed that he can do what he wants "out on the road"? wow
Not saying its true but why would it be a "wow" if she did? Plenty of wives know about their husbands cheating and stay with them. There was that story of Andrei Kirilenko's wife allowing him one cheat a year.
He has presented himself as a family man for a long time (and was one of the things I thought was cool about him as a role model since so many kids are going to look up to him no matter what he says). Him hitting up random attractive women on social media as part of some prearranged arrangement on road trips because he is good at basketball would certainly deserve a "wow."
If you google Lebron James family man you can find him talking about how much he loves his wife and how he has apologized to her for how much she has sacrificed for him to play basketball at the highest level. Pretty sure he wasn't talking about her sacrificing him sleeping with other women there...
Again I don't necessarily know if this is even a real thing, but would be pretty surprising and disappointing if it was....
It's probably a lot more common than you think. I also don't think Lebron hooking up with other women while he's away from home necessarily prohibits him from being a good family man, assuming he's being honest with his wife.
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IT is talking more and more trash on Twitter
https://twitter.com/Isaiah_Thomas/status/927391144589262848
I really am going to feel bad for him if he comes back and is half the player he used to be.
Love it. Can't get enough of IT.
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Back to basketball Cleveland still can't stop anyone. 67 first half points given up to the bucks.
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Back to basketball Cleveland still can't stop anyone. 67 first half points given up to the bucks.
And the highlight on ESPN.com right now is Giannis blocking Lebron's layup. Close game but if the Bucks can keep the pace up on the old men, Cleveland's situation just keeps getting worse and worse.
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Cavs got nice asist from the refs tonight.
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Cavs are on pace to give up 150. A team like the Bucks they match up with pretty good because they have trouble spacing the floor. A team like the rockets is the opposite cause everyone can shoot and wade, love, korver are all too slow to close out well on a team that spaces the floor.
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Anyone see Jeff green bring the cavs back into this game? They were down at least like 12
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Hell of a run by the cavs here
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Rockets are overrated. They let that lead slip and before you know it the cavs are building a lead. Terrible coach decisions and harden is bad at D
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Both teams don't play much defense. And I thought Wizards-Lakers game were already bad defensively.
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would love to see rockets beat these cavs. i literally hate every team lebron plays for
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congrats rockets on blowing a 18 point lead. neither of these teams knows what defense is.
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Lol Jeff Green playing like Gordon Hayward out there
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This cavs team should be blown up after this year. lebron leaves for the western conference. rose and wade look washed up. i do not even see rose playing tonight. so injury prone. IT may never be the same and bail. what will that leave the cavs? kevin love? korver is 36. JR smith is 32. jeff green looks good tonite though. where is tristan thompson? i do not see him either playing.
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Anyone see Jeff green bring the cavs back into this game? They were down at least like 12
they were down 18
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This cavs team should be blown up after this year. lebron leaves for the western conference. rose and wade look washed up. i do not even see rose playing tonight. so injury prone. IT may never be the same and bail. what will that leave the cavs? kevin love? korver is 36. JR smith is 32. jeff green looks good tonite though. where is tristan thompson? i do not see him either playing.
Not sure about Derick Rose but Thompson is injured right now.
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Rockets are overrated. They let that lead slip and before you know it the cavs are building a lead. Terrible coach decisions and harden is bad at D
the rockets coach Dantoni looks like he would rather be at a strip club in Houston than coaching this team by watching his demeanor sitting on bench.
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Lebron is crying. somebody grab a mop and clean up floor before somebody slips.
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harden has 35.
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Jeff Green has 27!! now...
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Rockets are overrated. They let that lead slip and before you know it the cavs are building a lead. Terrible coach decisions and harden is bad at D
the rockets coach Dantoni looks like he would rather be at a strip club in Houston than coaching this team by watching his demeanor sitting on bench.
D'Antoni in a strip club...
There's got to be a 7 seconds or less joke there somewhere.
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BYE BYE CAVS!!!!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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BYE BYE CAVS!!!!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
CAVS are getting out worked!!! 25 to 42 on the glass!
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Capela carrying the Rockets down the stretch...still not liking how 'good' the Cavs look. Crazy how they got vet min signings in Wade, Rose, and J Green.
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James got stuffed on that last play!
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BYE BYE CAVS!!!!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
CAVS are getting out worked!!! 25 to 42 on the glass!
that cavs team IS beatable this year. i see chinks in the armor. too many washed up old players who cannot play defense? they are still loaded in my book full of ring chasers. it is why i enjoyed seeing us punch d wade in his fat ugly face last year in playoffs. i hate him and lebron for obvious reasons.
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BYE BYE CAVS!!!!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
CAVS are getting out worked!!! 25 to 42 on the glass!
that cavs team IS beatable this year. i see chinks in the armor. too many washed up old players who cannot play defense? they are still loaded in my book full of ring chasers. it is why i enjoyed seeing us punch d wade in his fat ugly face last year in playoffs. i hate him and lebron for obvious reasons.
Crowder gave them nothing tonight.
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James got stuffed on that last play!
that was beautiful!
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BYE BYE CAVS!!!!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
CAVS are getting out worked!!! 25 to 42 on the glass!
that cavs team IS beatable this year. i see chinks in the armor. too many washed up old players who cannot play defense? they are still loaded in my book full of ring chasers. it is why i enjoyed seeing us punch d wade in his fat ugly face last year in playoffs. i hate him and lebron for obvious reasons.
Crowder gave them nothing tonight.
jae looked TERRIBLE.
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BYE BYE CAVS!!!!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
CAVS are getting out worked!!! 25 to 42 on the glass!
that cavs team IS beatable this year. i see chinks in the armor. too many washed up old players who cannot play defense? they are still loaded in my book full of ring chasers. it is why i enjoyed seeing us punch d wade in his fat ugly face last year in playoffs. i hate him and lebron for obvious reasons.
Don't forget IT4 is still out. He'll provide them some offensive spark when he comes back.
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BYE BYE CAVS!!!!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
CAVS are getting out worked!!! 25 to 42 on the glass!
that cavs team IS beatable this year. i see chinks in the armor. too many washed up old players who cannot play defense? they are still loaded in my book full of ring chasers. it is why i enjoyed seeing us punch d wade in his fat ugly face last year in playoffs. i hate him and lebron for obvious reasons.
Don't forget IT4 is still out. He'll provide them some offensive spark when he comes back.
no doubt. it is why i say they are still loaded regardless and still the team to beat in the EAST. hopefully they crumble and fall apart next year with lebron leaving and the washed up guys gone, etc. have to see what happens with korver and smith
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Cavs will have a chance to really improve their record in the next few weeks. Of their next 10 games only 2 are against teams that made the playoffs next year (Hawks and Clippers)
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Cavs will have a chance to really improve their record in the next few weeks. Of their next 10 games only 2 are against teams that made the playoffs next year (Hawks and Clippers)
Wow - very impressed with your ability to see into the future! ;D
All kidding aside, I agree with you - this should be a great opportunity for the Cavs to right the ship. I've enjoyed the ride so far, though - especially after how the first game of the season went.
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Cavs will have a chance to really improve their record in the next few weeks. Of their next 10 games only 2 are against teams that made the playoffs next year (Hawks and Clippers)
While odds are this statement is true, one could also argue that the Cavs have played WORSE vs the cellar dwellers of the league this season.
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Cavs will have a chance to really improve their record in the next few weeks. Of their next 10 games only 2 are against teams that made the playoffs next year (Hawks and Clippers)
While odds are this statement is true, one could also argue that the Cavs have played WORSE vs the cellar dwellers of the league this season.
i know right? good let the cavs keep losing!
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Latest from Cleveland over the weekend:
https://twitter.com/bobbykaralla/status/929537963914092544
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Latest from Cleveland over the weekend:
https://twitter.com/bobbykaralla/status/929537963914092544
wow
What a leader
I'm so glad Irving had the guts to leave him and call him on his bs
Edit:TP for the link
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Anyone check out the highlights of the game last night? I'm not going to read into things too much but IT was going crazy on the bench. I think his comeback is going to be the emotional spark that they need in order to make a run.
This first month is an example of the Celtics at their best and Cavs at their worst. The truth lies somewhere in the middle and I still believe the Cavs are going to be an insanely difficult team to dethrone when the playoffs arrive.
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Anyone check out the highlights of the game last night? I'm not going to read into things too much but IT was going crazy on the bench. I think his comeback is going to be the emotional spark that they need in order to make a run.
This first month is an example of the Celtics at their best and Cavs at their worst. The truth lies somewhere in the middle and I still believe the Cavs are going to be an insanely difficult team to dethrone when the playoffs arrive.
the knicks blew that game. had lead with 2 minutes left.
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Anyone check out the highlights of the game last night? I'm not going to read into things too much but IT was going crazy on the bench. I think his comeback is going to be the emotional spark that they need in order to make a run.
This first month is an example of the Celtics at their best and Cavs at their worst. The truth lies somewhere in the middle and I still believe the Cavs are going to be an insanely difficult team to dethrone when the playoffs arrive.
the knicks blew that game. had lead with 2 minutes left.
not only that they were up huge at the start of the 4th quarter and pretty much all of the second half.
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Anyone check out the highlights of the game last night? I'm not going to read into things too much but IT was going crazy on the bench. I think his comeback is going to be the emotional spark that they need in order to make a run.
This first month is an example of the Celtics at their best and Cavs at their worst. The truth lies somewhere in the middle and I still believe the Cavs are going to be an insanely difficult team to dethrone when the playoffs arrive.
the knicks blew that game. had lead with 2 minutes left.
I absolutely agree. I'm pointing out the fact that sometimes these types of emotional wins can get a team back on track. I think the eventual return of IT will spark the Cavs as they head into the playoffs. Their defense will never be consistent but the lack of effort wont be as big of an issue as it appears. Cleveland has no chance to win a title IMO but they are going to be a 7 game out for any team that has a chance in the East.
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Anyone check out the highlights of the game last night? I'm not going to read into things too much but IT was going crazy on the bench. I think his comeback is going to be the emotional spark that they need in order to make a run.
This first month is an example of the Celtics at their best and Cavs at their worst. The truth lies somewhere in the middle and I still believe the Cavs are going to be an insanely difficult team to dethrone when the playoffs arrive.
the knicks blew that game. had lead with 2 minutes left.
not only that they were up huge at the start of the 4th quarter and pretty much all of the second half.
yeah cavs do not impress me at all right now. They are still the team we have to beat to get to the finals but they look beatable this year. Not scared at all. Bring them on! celtics will get better as year goes on as chemistry and continuity improve over time. People saying we have seen the best from celtics is silly IMO. as if we have played great and are about to fall off a a cliff. Just wait until everybody is hitting on all cylinders.
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Anyone check out the highlights of the game last night? I'm not going to read into things too much but IT was going crazy on the bench. I think his comeback is going to be the emotional spark that they need in order to make a run.
This first month is an example of the Celtics at their best and Cavs at their worst. The truth lies somewhere in the middle and I still believe the Cavs are going to be an insanely difficult team to dethrone when the playoffs arrive.
the knicks blew that game. had lead with 2 minutes left.
I absolutely agree. I'm pointing out the fact that sometimes these types of emotional wins can get a team back on track. I think the eventual return of IT will spark the Cavs as they head into the playoffs. Their defense will never be consistent but the lack of effort wont be as big of an issue as it appears. Cleveland has no chance to win a title IMO but they are going to be a 7 game out for any team that has a chance in the East.
well, let's hope they implode before playoffs even get here.
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Anyone check out the highlights of the game last night? I'm not going to read into things too much but IT was going crazy on the bench. I think his comeback is going to be the emotional spark that they need in order to make a run.
This first month is an example of the Celtics at their best and Cavs at their worst. The truth lies somewhere in the middle and I still believe the Cavs are going to be an insanely difficult team to dethrone when the playoffs arrive.
the knicks blew that game. had lead with 2 minutes left.
not only that they were up huge at the start of the 4th quarter and pretty much all of the second half.
yeah cavs do not impress me at all right now. They are still the team we have to beat to get to the finals but they look beatable this year. Not scared at all. Bring them on! celtics will get better as year goes on as chemistry and continuity improve over time. People saying we have seen the best from celtics is silly IMO. as if we have played great and are about to fall off a a cliff. Just wait until everybody is hitting on all cylinders.
words of wisdom that have always held true from Ric Flair:
"To be the man you've gotta beat the man" WOOOO!!
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQeji9wRrUMbOe75uFmUDwz15OPuapXBbVIYaZpczTg5TGEz0EiHQ)
we're not the kings of the East until we kick Lebron in the teeth in the playoffs when it counts. enjoying the ride until that day comes but as we saw last year, regular season records and playoff seeding don't matter if you can't beat the other team in the playoffs.
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Anyone check out the highlights of the game last night? I'm not going to read into things too much but IT was going crazy on the bench. I think his comeback is going to be the emotional spark that they need in order to make a run.
This first month is an example of the Celtics at their best and Cavs at their worst. The truth lies somewhere in the middle and I still believe the Cavs are going to be an insanely difficult team to dethrone when the playoffs arrive.
the knicks blew that game. had lead with 2 minutes left.
not only that they were up huge at the start of the 4th quarter and pretty much all of the second half.
yeah cavs do not impress me at all right now. They are still the team we have to beat to get to the finals but they look beatable this year. Not scared at all. Bring them on! celtics will get better as year goes on as chemistry and continuity improve over time. People saying we have seen the best from celtics is silly IMO. as if we have played great and are about to fall off a a cliff. Just wait until everybody is hitting on all cylinders.
words of wisdom that have always held true from Ric Flair:
"To be the man you've gotta beat the man" WOOOO!!
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQeji9wRrUMbOe75uFmUDwz15OPuapXBbVIYaZpczTg5TGEz0EiHQ)
we're not the kings of the East until we kick Lebron in the teeth in the playoffs when it counts. enjoying the ride until that day comes but as we saw last year, regular season records and playoff seeding don't matter if you can't beat the other team in the playoffs.
and from a guy like me who always uses my ric flair GIFS on game threads I agree 100%!
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Lebron's minutes the last 3 games 36, 40 and 42. He turns 33 in a month. It feels like Lue is already coaching for his job.
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Lebron's minutes the last 3 games 36, 40 and 42. He turns 33 in a month. It feels like Lue is already coaching for his job.
But LeBron is a machine. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is averaging 17/5/4 in 29mpg at 40 years old.
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Lebron's minutes the last 3 games 36, 40 and 42. He turns 33 in a month. It feels like Lue is already coaching for his job.
But LeBron is a machine. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is averaging 17/5/4 in 29mpg at 40 years old.
as good as Kobe was at scoring, even father time caught up to him, I suspect LeBron will be the same. When LeBron hits 36-37, there's probably going to be an injury here and there that will hit him hard like Kobe's achilles
not that I'm wishing pain upon him but I doubt by 40 he has any left in the tank to average 17/5/4, although it'd be very amazing to see him do that though
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Lebron's minutes the last 3 games 36, 40 and 42. He turns 33 in a month. It feels like Lue is already coaching for his job.
But LeBron is a machine. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is averaging 17/5/4 in 29mpg at 40 years old.
as good as Kobe was at scoring, even father time caught up to him, I suspect LeBron will be the same. When LeBron hits 36-37, there's probably going to be an injury here and there that will hit him hard like Kobe's achilles
not that I'm wishing pain upon him but I doubt by 40 he has any left in the tank to average 17/5/4, although it'd be very amazing to see him do that though
Yea. In a sport like baseball or football it seems like it is more possible to have such a high performer at 40. Aside from 7 foot centers like Duncan or Kareem (who obviously are a different animal) the last guy to be that effective at that age was Karl Malone. He averaging 20 points a game at 39. However, I would argue it was even easier to do that in 2002 than it is now given how the top teams move the ball and space the floor making it impossible to not run more on defense.
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Lebron's minutes the last 3 games 36, 40 and 42. He turns 33 in a month. It feels like Lue is already coaching for his job.
But LeBron is a machine. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is averaging 17/5/4 in 29mpg at 40 years old.
as good as Kobe was at scoring, even father time caught up to him, I suspect LeBron will be the same. When LeBron hits 36-37, there's probably going to be an injury here and there that will hit him hard like Kobe's achilles
not that I'm wishing pain upon him but I doubt by 40 he has any left in the tank to average 17/5/4, although it'd be very amazing to see him do that though
Yea. In a sport like baseball or football it seems like it is more possible to have such a high performer at 40. Aside from 7 foot centers like Duncan or Kareem (who obviously are a different animal) the last guy to be that effective at that age was Karl Malone. He averaging 20 points a game at 39. However, I would argue it was even easier to do that in 2002 than it is now given how the top teams move the ball and space the floor making it impossible to not run more on defense.
I don't know if it was easier back then, but physically Karl Malone is the closest comparison to Lebron James of all of the all time greats. James is obviously more athletic and plays the game more athletic, so he will probably be more prone to injuries (and he has missed way more games than Malone has), but I wouldn't be overly surprised to see James have Malone like success at a very advanced age though in fewer games played (i.e. I could see Lebron playing 65-70 games at age 39 and scoring 20 a night).
Also, as a point of clarification, in 02-03 at the age of 39 Jordan averaged 20 after averaging 22.9 the year before. Now I get that MJ had a lot more rest than your average 39 year old, but he was still performing at a solid enough level as an old man.
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Lebron's minutes the last 3 games 36, 40 and 42. He turns 33 in a month. It feels like Lue is already coaching for his job.
But LeBron is a machine. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is averaging 17/5/4 in 29mpg at 40 years old.
huge assumption. that is 7 years away. i don't see it happening with his style and all the miles on his body just like KG had at the end. when he gets past 35 it will be downhill for lebron.
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hornets playing cavs tough so far. jae is back starting. wade and korver and green coming off bench. rose still hurt. shumpert, JR smith, lebaby, jae and love starting. hope hornets can keep it close and pull it out at the end. Yes i am scouting this team.
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i also assume tristan thompson is still hurt also.
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hornets playing cavs tough so far. jae is back starting. wade and korver and green coming off bench. rose still hurt. shumpert, JR smith, lebaby, jae and love starting. hope hornets can keep it close and pull it out at the end. Yes i am scouting this team.
Keeping it close and pulling it out in the end, huh...
Not the best game plan...in a whole variety of situations.
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Lebron's minutes the last 3 games 36, 40 and 42. He turns 33 in a month. It feels like Lue is already coaching for his job.
But LeBron is a machine. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is averaging 17/5/4 in 29mpg at 40 years old.
huge assumption. that is 7 years away. i don't see it happening with his style and all the miles on his body just like KG had at the end. when he gets past 35 it will be downhill for lebron.
Lebron spends summers ‘in the lab’ on the medical industries finest anti-aging regimen.
He’s got another ten years in the tank, the way science is evolving.
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Lebron's minutes the last 3 games 36, 40 and 42. He turns 33 in a month. It feels like Lue is already coaching for his job.
But LeBron is a machine. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is averaging 17/5/4 in 29mpg at 40 years old.
huge assumption. that is 7 years away. i don't see it happening with his style and all the miles on his body just like KG had at the end. when he gets past 35 it will be downhill for lebron.
Lebron spends summers ‘in the lab’ on the medical industries finest anti-aging regimen.
He’s got another ten years in the tank, the way science is evolving.
Wait...........so now it is not just 40! it is 43?? LOL.........come on man. NOBODY AND I REPEAT
NOBODY BEATS FATHER TIME. The other side of 35 is when guys start going downhill and many fast. He ain't playing 10 more years. he ain't playing 7 more years AT THIS CURRENT LEVEL. I will bet money on it. Sure he could play longer if he stays healthy and avoid injuries but NOT at the same level.
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hornets playing cavs tough so far. jae is back starting. wade and korver and green coming off bench. rose still hurt. shumpert, JR smith, lebaby, jae and love starting. hope hornets can keep it close and pull it out at the end. Yes i am scouting this team.
Keeping it close and pulling it out in the end, huh...
Not the best game plan...in a whole variety of situations.
So you don't think lebaby can come from way behind? LOL just hope the cavs lose. BEGGARS CANT BE CHOOSERS! hah
I am trying to be realistic.you expect the hornets to beat them by 30? LOL
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LEBRON MELTING DOWN.. U BIG CRYBABY....MELT! BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
somebody needs to stuff his locker in bawstin with tissue next time.
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Lebron's minutes the last 3 games 36, 40 and 42. He turns 33 in a month. It feels like Lue is already coaching for his job.
But LeBron is a machine. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is averaging 17/5/4 in 29mpg at 40 years old.
as good as Kobe was at scoring, even father time caught up to him, I suspect LeBron will be the same. When LeBron hits 36-37, there's probably going to be an injury here and there that will hit him hard like Kobe's achilles
not that I'm wishing pain upon him but I doubt by 40 he has any left in the tank to average 17/5/4, although it'd be very amazing to see him do that though
exactly he may play til 40 but not at this level. watch when he hits 36 or 37.
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Lebron's minutes the last 3 games 36, 40 and 42. He turns 33 in a month. It feels like Lue is already coaching for his job.
But LeBron is a machine. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is averaging 17/5/4 in 29mpg at 40 years old.
as good as Kobe was at scoring, even father time caught up to him, I suspect LeBron will be the same. When LeBron hits 36-37, there's probably going to be an injury here and there that will hit him hard like Kobe's achilles
not that I'm wishing pain upon him but I doubt by 40 he has any left in the tank to average 17/5/4, although it'd be very amazing to see him do that though
exactly he may play til 40 but not at this level. watch when he hits 36 or 37.
Sure hope so. I hate his game. Glorified AAU hero ball, if you ask me
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OK, hornets have hung 67 on cavs in first half.
cavs have no defense and neither do hornets
we have DEFENSE and offense.
we can beat the cavs. depends what IT can do for them and a washed up D rose when he comes back. what i saw of D rose this year i was NOT impressed. Their post season could rely on IT. we will see!
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Lebron's minutes the last 3 games 36, 40 and 42. He turns 33 in a month. It feels like Lue is already coaching for his job.
But LeBron is a machine. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is averaging 17/5/4 in 29mpg at 40 years old.
huge assumption. that is 7 years away. i don't see it happening with his style and all the miles on his body just like KG had at the end. when he gets past 35 it will be downhill for lebron.
Lebron spends summers ‘in the lab’ on the medical industries finest anti-aging regimen.
He’s got another ten years in the tank, the way science is evolving.
Indeed. Lance Armstrong (along with his cancer) is the poster child for that kind of "science" and one can only imagine what kind of price he will pay (not merely being stripped of a gold medal) later in life. It's almost as if guys like that sell their soul to the devil for fame fleeting that is when people find out how they attained their success. See A-Rod, McGuire, et al.
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Lebron's minutes the last 3 games 36, 40 and 42. He turns 33 in a month. It feels like Lue is already coaching for his job.
But LeBron is a machine. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is averaging 17/5/4 in 29mpg at 40 years old.
huge assumption. that is 7 years away. i don't see it happening with his style and all the miles on his body just like KG had at the end. when he gets past 35 it will be downhill for lebron.
Lebron spends summers ‘in the lab’ on the medical industries finest anti-aging regimen.
He’s got another ten years in the tank, the way science is evolving.
Indeed. Lance Armstrong (along with his cancer) is the poster child for that kind of "science" and one can only imagine what kind of price he will pay (not merely being stripped of a gold medal) later in life. It's almost as if guys like that sell their soul to the devil for fame fleeting that is when people find out how they attained their success. See A-Rod, McGuire, et al.
oh yeah STEROIDS!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
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i just loathe kyle korver and his smug face. >:(
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Lebron...oh do I look forward to not hearing the hoops media utter that name every 30 seconds...
On his longevity: he seems to have expressed (by returning to Cleveland with younger stars in KI and KLove) a desire to have other, younger stars sort of prop him up and carry him along at least for some stretches (my interpretation there), but in his play, he is always the center of the action and carrying the load.
The questions on his longevity are whether he can be a second or third banana, and eventually role player. (My guess is no).
If he wanted to, barring serious health issue, he could be a stretch 4 until he's 40 and be a 15/10/5 guy in 30 minutes.
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and the hornets collapse in the 4th. maybe the next team can beat the cavs. oh well.I enjoy cavs losing so much.
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Lebron throwing some shade at Lue
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2017/11/lebron_james_says_cavaliers_de.html#incart_2box
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Basically since Derek Rose has been out they've been a vastly better team.
Which lines up nicely with a ton of stats that point to him as being perhaps the worst player in the NBA to get so many minutes this year.
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Basically since Derek Rose has been out they've been a vastly better team.
Which lines up nicely with a ton of stats that point to him as being perhaps the worst player in the NBA to get so many minutes this year.
Yeah, Shumpert, while a poor ball handler, is a much better defender and while he isn't shooting all that well, is more than capable of hitting an open shot. Calderon hasn't played much, but he at least isn't a huge drop off from Shumpert offensively or defensively.
Rose is just a bad fit as a starter. I get why they signed him, but he shouldn't be getting more than 10-15 minutes off the bench (which is what will happen if IT comes back).
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Basically since Derek Rose has been out they've been a vastly better team.
Which lines up nicely with a ton of stats that point to him as being perhaps the worst player in the NBA to get so many minutes this year.
Yeah, Shumpert, while a poor ball handler, is a much better defender and while he isn't shooting all that well, is more than capable of hitting an open shot. Calderon hasn't played much, but he at least isn't a huge drop off from Shumpert offensively or defensively.
Rose is just a bad fit as a starter. I get why they signed him, but he shouldn't be getting more than 10-15 minutes off the bench (which is what will happen if IT comes back).
if they play better with caulderon, why not give those minutes to him? Willing passer, significantly better shooter from 3. They are both awful defensively. I actually don't think it made sense to sign him at all given how bad he is. I imagine if they knew they were getting Wade for sure they probably wouldn't have...