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Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
« Reply #1425 on: December 01, 2018, 03:29:10 PM »

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Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Better hope for other players being injured if you want to see William's as he is normally not active to play when everyone is healthy.

Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
« Reply #1426 on: December 01, 2018, 04:36:33 PM »

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Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Better hope for other players being injured if you want to see William's as he is normally not active to play when everyone is healthy.

If Stevens just stops playing Horford as his only big at center, but let him play at PF where he had so much success last year there will be some minutes for Williams (and more for Theis).

Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
« Reply #1427 on: December 01, 2018, 05:05:22 PM »

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Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Better hope for other players being injured if you want to see William's as he is normally not active to play when everyone is healthy.

If Stevens just stops playing Horford as his only big at center, but let him play at PF where he had so much success last year there will be some minutes for Williams (and more for Theis).

More minutes for Theis and Williams, huh? At who’s expense? Because the thing going big means is that Morris will play a lot more at the swing, which means the 1, 2, and 3 minutes will be juggled by 7 guys (Morris, Hayward, Tatum, Irving, Brown, Smart, Rozier). So again, have you thought this through? If so, who’s out of rotation and/or getting their minutes slashed considerably because a 11 man roster as proposed isn’t going to work?

Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
« Reply #1428 on: December 01, 2018, 05:07:05 PM »

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Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Better hope for other players being injured if you want to see William's as he is normally not active to play when everyone is healthy.

If Stevens just stops playing Horford as his only big at center, but let him play at PF where he had so much success last year there will be some minutes for Williams (and more for Theis).
The problem I laid out has zero to do with available minutes it has to do with the fact Steven's sees William's as the 14th man and when everyone is healthy, then William's is not made active and so isn't even available to play if minutes opened  up.

Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
« Reply #1429 on: December 01, 2018, 06:11:11 PM »

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Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Better hope for other players being injured if you want to see William's as he is normally not active to play when everyone is healthy.

If Stevens just stops playing Horford as his only big at center, but let him play at PF where he had so much success last year there will be some minutes for Williams (and more for Theis).

More minutes for Theis and Williams, huh? At who’s expense? Because the thing going big means is that Morris will play a lot more at the swing, which means the 1, 2, and 3 minutes will be juggled by 7 guys (Morris, Hayward, Tatum, Irving, Brown, Smart, Rozier). So again, have you thought this through? If so, who’s out of rotation and/or getting their minutes slashed considerably because a 11 man roster as proposed isn’t going to work?

I would extensively rest players. Like Horford had a day off yesterday. I mean there are a ridiculous amount of games, why should a player bother to miss a few? 

It's very important that Williams (and Ojeleye, Yabusele) gets minutes to develop. Otherwise next summer you basically have the same situation that he isn't ready. Come playoff time I'd just play the best 8 to 9 players and make some hard decisions. But there'll probably be injuries anyway (like every playoffs), so you don't have to and everybody will be prepared because they're used to missing a key player on the rotation.

Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
« Reply #1430 on: December 01, 2018, 06:29:24 PM »

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Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Better hope for other players being injured if you want to see William's as he is normally not active to play when everyone is healthy.

If Stevens just stops playing Horford as his only big at center, but let him play at PF where he had so much success last year there will be some minutes for Williams (and more for Theis).
The problem I laid out has zero to do with available minutes it has to do with the fact Steven's sees Williams as the 14th man and when everyone is healthy, then William's is not made active and so isn't even available to play if minutes opened up.

Well he should find a way to give him playing time (for example resting players), because he won't develop fast if he doesn't play minutes in the NBA. Almost every 1st round pick is getting extensive minutes and by that they're growing into legit NBA players. If we don't give Williams minutes then next summer he basically will be the same player as now and he won't be ready to  step into the line-up.

It would be a waste of talent. Look at Mitchell Robinson (#36 pick), a player with the same profile as Williams and similarly talented (I'd have been ok with Robinson as the Celtics' pick as well). Both players show promising stats, but Robinson has already played 364 minutes and Willams only 33. Who's going to be the best player out of them by the end of the year?

And it's easy with Porzingis injured to play Robinson a lot of minutes, but Stevens has to see the whole picture. And Williams could be a vital part of the future of the Celtics. A coach needs to see more than the next game.

Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
« Reply #1431 on: December 01, 2018, 06:30:32 PM »

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Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Better hope for other players being injured if you want to see William's as he is normally not active to play when everyone is healthy.

If Stevens just stops playing Horford as his only big at center, but let him play at PF where he had so much success last year there will be some minutes for Williams (and more for Theis).

More minutes for Theis and Williams, huh? At who’s expense? Because the thing going big means is that Morris will play a lot more at the swing, which means the 1, 2, and 3 minutes will be juggled by 7 guys (Morris, Hayward, Tatum, Irving, Brown, Smart, Rozier). So again, have you thought this through? If so, who’s out of rotation and/or getting their minutes slashed considerably because a 11 man roster as proposed isn’t going to work?

I would extensively rest players. Like Horford had a day off yesterday. I mean there are a ridiculous amount of games, why should a player bother to miss a few? 

It's very important that Williams (and Ojeleye, Yabusele) gets minutes to develop. Otherwise next summer you basically have the same situation that he isn't ready. Come playoff time I'd just play the best 8 to 9 players and make some hard decisions. But there'll probably be injuries anyway (like every playoffs), so you don't have to and everybody will be prepared because they're used to missing a key player on the rotation.

Okay, say you rest Horford here and there. What other player will be happy resting when he's healthy just to give Williams, Yabu, and Semi minutes? It sounds good on paper, but not really practical when players are competitors and want to be out there. Plus, you have guys on expiring deals (Morris and Rozier) that want to show their worth and some players could have salary incentive markers for games played, minutes played, etc.

Players are already sacrificing a lot in terms of MPG. Having them now miss occasional games is just asking for trouble.

Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
« Reply #1432 on: December 01, 2018, 06:42:51 PM »

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Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Better hope for other players being injured if you want to see William's as he is normally not active to play when everyone is healthy.

If Stevens just stops playing Horford as his only big at center, but let him play at PF where he had so much success last year there will be some minutes for Williams (and more for Theis).
The problem I laid out has zero to do with available minutes it has to do with the fact Steven's sees Williams as the 14th man and when everyone is healthy, then William's is not made active and so isn't even available to play if minutes opened up.

Well he should find a way to give him playing time (for example resting players), because he won't develop fast if he doesn't play minutes in the NBA. Almost every 1st round pick is getting extensive minutes and by that they're growing into legit NBA players. If we don't give Williams minutes then next summer he basically will be the same player as now and he won't be ready to  step into the line-up.

It would be a waste of talent. Look at Mitchell Robinson (#36 pick), a player with the same profile as Williams and similarly talented (I'd have been ok with Robinson as the Celtics' pick as well). Both players show promising stats, but Robinson has already played 364 minutes and Willams only 33. Who's going to be the best player out of them by the end of the year?

And it's easy with Porzingis injured to play Robinson a lot of minutes, but Stevens has to see the whole picture. And Williams could be a vital part of the future of the Celtics. A coach needs to see more than the next game.
I can't believe I am once again going to have to explain the fact that players can actually develop when fans don't see them, like in practice, the weight room, the G League, walk throughs and by watching video. Giving a kid that isn't ready for NBA rotational minutes when they are not ready can create bad habits in the player, discourage the player if they struggle and can cause a player to lose his confidence and maybe get the yips(see Markelle Fultz).

Steven's has a track record of playing young players big minutes their rookie year if they are ready for the NBA, especially defensively. Smart, Brown, Tatum and Ojeleye are proof of that. He also plays young guys on rookie contracts big minutes when they are ready for NBA minutes, like Rozier. And he has a proven track record being right on players not good enough for the NBA like: Jordan Mickey, James Young, R J Hunter, etc., etc.

When Williams is ready and has earned NBA rotational minutes, he will play. Until then, he doesn't. He will just have to develop slowly because he isn't good enough and shouldn't be getting minutes until he is.

Re: More Robert Williams please....
« Reply #1433 on: December 01, 2018, 07:49:34 PM »

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Williams is the most athletic big we have had since KG.

Not only is he a great defender, but he is a good passer as well.

Re: More Robert Williams please....
« Reply #1434 on: December 01, 2018, 07:59:07 PM »

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He is young.  Will groom him and Learn to defend Embid.
I am guessing that’s what the plan is.  Or it should be.



Re: More Robert Williams please....
« Reply #1435 on: December 02, 2018, 06:31:34 PM »

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it's quite obvious Williams is not ready. just look at where, when and how they use him.

Re: More Robert Williams please....
« Reply #1436 on: December 02, 2018, 06:49:40 PM »

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As long as we keep winning I will be patient with playing him. I do think it is in our interest to get him more reps but that is hard to do without cutting into time of Theis who needs more burn to get back to game shape.

Re: More Robert Williams please....
« Reply #1437 on: December 02, 2018, 07:09:30 PM »

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He is young.  Will groom him and Learn to defend Embid.
I am guessing that’s what the plan is.  Or it should be.
That's a tough ask.  RW is giving up 40lbs to Embiid. 

Re: More Robert Williams please....
« Reply #1438 on: December 02, 2018, 09:02:53 PM »

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Williams needs to learn not to block the ball out of bounds.

Bill Russell said that a blocked shot out of bounds was half a good play.

ABSOLUTELY - thank you.

I will never understand why coaches do not teach and compel their post defenders to block shots and keep the ball in play. Obviously, most of these players think it is more impressive to "punk" their opponent by putting shots into the first row. Bill Russell played very intelligent basketball - these guys today play dumb basketball.

In the blowout vs Atlanta, why doesn't Robert Williams get at least 15-20 minutes ? Everytime he goes in, he does positive things. Lack of minutes makes no sense to me.
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Re: More Robert Williams please....
« Reply #1439 on: December 03, 2018, 12:41:37 AM »

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I felt he would have been an interesting matchup for Taj, midway through the second.

No doubt Stevens is trying to get Theis game-ready as he is with GH.

Theis had another nice sneaky-good cameo last night.
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