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Ray Allen 6th Man!
« on: March 03, 2012, 12:37:12 AM »

Offline feckless

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Tonight's game, especially the start, against the Nets--defense and flow with Pietrus and Bass starting, should show Doc the way.  Doc,  "Ray we need you to come off the bench, and be the man, with the 2nd unit.  You will get your minutes and finish games but the 2nd unit starts too slow and  lacks firepower."
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Re: Ray Allen 6th Man!
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2012, 12:55:20 AM »

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just suggested the exact same thing in another thread.   Team is way more athletic right now with this lineup.  Ray would get more looks his way on the second unit..  Like pairing him with Avery...

Re: Ray Allen 6th Man!
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2012, 01:24:52 AM »

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I feel like this would be so perfect. Let him take over that Eddie House type role where he comes in and just fires away against backup wingers.

The starting lineup is SO much better with Pietrus' athleticism and defense.

Rondo-Pietrus-Pierce-Bass-Garnett

Dooling-Bradley-Allen-Johnson-Wilcox

I can't count on having Jermaine O'Neal.

Not a bad idea.
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2012, 01:36:24 AM »

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The Cs certainly need another offensive gun on the court with the second unit.  If it's RA or PP, they're still going to be on the court at the end of the game when execution and experience count for more than athleticism.

Re: Ray Allen 6th Man!
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2012, 01:38:20 AM »

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Another thing to consider is Pietrus is bigger than allen with crazy long arms.  Since Bass is in our front court is on the small side so Pietrus length at the 2 would help on the boards.  Ray doesn't get his nose dirty much, never has really. 

ray needs to just come in and fire away..  He doesn't do much else well anymore and is turnover prone

Re: Ray Allen 6th Man!
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2012, 01:49:53 AM »

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Ray Allen is my favorite player in NBA history after Michael Jordan himself, and I couldn't agree more. I think Ray would be perfect as this team's 6th man off the bench. It seems like a role that would fit him perfectly.

We get Pietrus' defense and speed and athleticism, and then we still have Ray's 3 point shooting and point production. This would be a wise decision for the team to make, I think. He neesd to have a similar role as the one that novak on the knicks has.

The thing is just that Ray has a lot of trouble creating his own shot nowadays, and it is a serious problem for him. He isn't as quick as he needs to be when he has the ball in his hand, and teams are regularly taking advantage of this.

Re: Ray Allen 6th Man!
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2012, 02:12:10 AM »

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Ray Allen, 6th Man, probably will result in Ray Allen, primary ball-handler, on the floor with Avery Bradley.  Don't you just love it when Ray Allen plays like he thinks he can play like a point guard?
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Re: Ray Allen 6th Man!
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2012, 02:26:09 AM »

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I thought about this after seeing Pietrus affecting the defensive end the way he did.
For me, the factor that tipped me over the edge whilst deciding on this was Pietrus rebounding ability and his size.

Against Lebron, Rip Hamilton and Landry Fields, Pietrus size will become a huge factor.

I also think that Ray is better at creating his own shot than Pietrus. Meaning Ray can penetrate much better whilst getting open shots against weaker second string defenders.

I'm not 100% on this, and would have to see him perform similarly against some tougher competition. (New York and Fields next game would be a great test, then Kobe a few games later even better).

This gives me confidence in Ray being traded for another piece, preferably a big man.
I wonder if Chicago or Dallas would give up Odom or Williams, or the Bulls would give up Asik for his services.
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Re: Ray Allen 6th Man!
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2012, 02:43:44 AM »

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Mickael Pietrus 6th Man!
DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Ray Allen 6th Man!
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2012, 11:19:16 AM »

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The C's Offense is Light-Years better when they actually run in transition. Rondo to Wilcox!

Re: Ray Allen 6th Man!
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2012, 11:24:25 AM »

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Love the idea... dont think Ray would
So much for Ubuntu

Re: Ray Allen 6th Man!
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2012, 11:35:58 AM »

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Ray already said this off-season that he would be willing to come off the bench .

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* On the possibility of coming off the bench next season: “To me, however I can help the team, it’ll figure itself out. One thing in regards to Jeff is, whatever I can do to make him better and to push him and play the best that he can. It’s weird that guys have always looked at it like coming off the bench is such a bad thing. I know we went through the situation with [Allen] Iverson, he didn’t want to come off the bench. But, you’ve always worried more about who finished games, but more importantly, when you’re on a winning team, winning the game is the ultimate objective, so that’s my primary concern. I want to win. I looked at our record this year. It was sad that we didn’t get to 60 wins, and we should have had 60 wins, based on the games we lost, and that would have gave us home-court advantage throughout the whole playoffs, East and West.”

I made a thread about it at the time

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=48701.0

Re: Ray Allen 6th Man!
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2012, 11:40:28 AM »

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Ray already said this off-season that he would be willing to come off the bench .

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* On the possibility of coming off the bench next season: “To me, however I can help the team, it’ll figure itself out. One thing in regards to Jeff is, whatever I can do to make him better and to push him and play the best that he can. It’s weird that guys have always looked at it like coming off the bench is such a bad thing. I know we went through the situation with [Allen] Iverson, he didn’t want to come off the bench. But, you’ve always worried more about who finished games, but more importantly, when you’re on a winning team, winning the game is the ultimate objective, so that’s my primary concern. I want to win. I looked at our record this year. It was sad that we didn’t get to 60 wins, and we should have had 60 wins, based on the games we lost, and that would have gave us home-court advantage throughout the whole playoffs, East and West.”

I made a thread about it at the time

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=48701.0

That's good; so it's up to Doc to experiment with Ray coming off the bench then since he won't resist it.

Re: Ray Allen 6th Man!
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2012, 12:05:48 PM »

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I was always against Ray coming off the bench but I think it might actually help us. There are times when he doesn't take  enough shotes but honestly, he is too unselfish with the first unit. Even though he's slowed down I think that with the second unit, they can run more plays for him and if he's more aggressive the shots will come. It will give him a chance to get it going altough I'm still skeptical about the looks he will get.

I'm not 100% convinced but I just don't think he does enough anymore to play 35 minutes per game. If Pietrus plays more like he's been playing lately and stops strictly shooting 3's (aggressively) I am all for it.

Re: Ray Allen 6th Man!
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2012, 12:13:09 PM »

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TP to you Feckless for this post. I made a post late last year or during this past summer that were I coach, I would give serious, serious consideration to starting Jeff Green this year, with either Pierce or Allen come off the bench.

I  would have told Pierce to slim down and be prepared to play more Off guard, bring Ray off the bench.

1. Gives Rondo someone to really run with
2. Gets Green integrated faster
3. Thought it would help our rebounding with Pierce and Green rather than Ray and Pierce...
4. Increased athleticism - Vet presence off the bench.

We need to be forward thinking at this point with who's going to be carrying the load next year and beyond - that is not Ray.

Naturally, I got roundly skewered for a completely assinine suggestion to bench Ray Allen.

Bottom line - I'm the coach, your the player. "Ray, your going to be our sixth man now. You don't like it, we can trade you, no problem, grow up, you're making $10mil a year and you're an employee..."

Obviously, you can do it more tactfully than that, but the underlying sentiment is exactly that and the result if not taken graciously by the employee would in fact be a trade, period."

Anyway, this team needs a real injection of youth and energy mixed in with the vets, it's time. I LOVE KG, Ray and Pierce - but, it's time.

If we don't trade Ray for Josh Smith, this would be a no brainer for me as coach. Team becomes much stronger.

I'd still like to get another big man banger though. Where I don't know...

Again, TP.