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Re: Celtics (9-7) at Hornets (7-8) Game #16 11/19/18
« Reply #585 on: November 19, 2018, 09:57:01 PM »

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Should have played Rozier more

Lol context is hard, huh?

I am being a bit sarcastic. It's for those +/- lovers.

Smart played a very good offensive game today.

His defense wasn't up to his standard although not completely to blame.

But the +/- is FACTUAL here.

Re: Celtics (9-7) at Hornets (7-8) Game #16 11/19/18
« Reply #586 on: November 19, 2018, 09:58:03 PM »

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When Brad pulled Kyrie in the 4th, that was game...

That and insisting on gimpy Hayward down the stretch instead of Brown when Brown actually showed some initiative and intensity today. There's like no logic or consistency with him.

When does Brad start getting murmurs about the hot seat? Seriously. NBA coaches are a dime a dozen. You don't get this type of stacked talent on one team all the time. If nice guy Brad isn't getting it done, we can't afford wasting this season with him not motivating players and making inexplicable rotation decisions costing us games. That's just asking Kyrie to leave next year.

People can think this is a hot take all they want, but it's unequivocally clear that the coaching staff has been a complete failure top to bottom this year, which is a major part of our struggles due to lack of preparation and inept in-game decision-making. Someone else can do the job if Brad can't, because it's looking more and more likely that Brad is more of a "maximizer" coach that can't actually manage this level of talent.

Yeah. This is a hot take.

Just because Brad isn't breaking chairs on the sideline, it doesn't mean he's not getting into his players. He's called this team out for settling for 2's, he's benched Tatum (for a quarter at least), he's called out their mental toughness, he's changed the starting lineup. At the end of the day, players have to execute. He can't secure rebounds for Al. He can't pull Rozier's head of his butt, he can't guard Kemba. At some point, there needs to be a players only meeting and guys have to step up.

No, the fact that we're still getting inconsistent effort from guys shows that Brad is not getting to his players.

And none of this even touches on the fact that Brad's in-game decision-making is subpar and his rotations are arbitrary with no logical basis, which is a problem he has dealt with since Day 1 in 2014. It doesn't matter how genius is he in his preparation, it's all for naught if he's simply incapable of making sound in-game decisions or adjusting to the other team.

As poor as that is, right now Brad's biggest challenge will be keeping this locker room together. If we as fans are frustrated I can imagine how the players must feel. This adversity will either bring them together and weld them into a whole greater than the sum of the parts or it will splinter them. He needs to make sure people don't start pointing fingers and playing the blame game, that's how locker rooms become toxic. Maybe that's what Kyrie meant when he said we needed a 15 year vet  :-\
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Re: Celtics (9-7) at Hornets (7-8) Game #16 11/19/18
« Reply #587 on: November 19, 2018, 10:00:28 PM »

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When Brad pulled Kyrie in the 4th, that was game...

That and insisting on gimpy Hayward down the stretch instead of Brown when Brown actually showed some initiative and intensity today. There's like no logic or consistency with him.

When does Brad start getting murmurs about the hot seat? Seriously. NBA coaches are a dime a dozen. You don't get this type of stacked talent on one team all the time. If nice guy Brad isn't getting it done, we can't afford wasting this season with him not motivating players and making inexplicable rotation decisions costing us games. That's just asking Kyrie to leave next year.

People can think this is a hot take all they want, but it's unequivocally clear that the coaching staff has been a complete failure top to bottom this year, which is a major part of our struggles due to lack of preparation and inept in-game decision-making. Someone else can do the job if Brad can't, because it's looking more and more likely that Brad is more of a "maximizer" coach that can't actually manage this level of talent.

Yeah. This is a hot take.

Just because Brad isn't breaking chairs on the sideline, it doesn't mean he's not getting into his players. He's called this team out for settling for 2's, he's benched Tatum (for a quarter at least), he's called out their mental toughness, he's changed the starting lineup. At the end of the day, players have to execute. He can't secure rebounds for Al. He can't pull Rozier's head of his butt, he can't guard Kemba. At some point, there needs to be a players only meeting and guys have to step up.

No, the fact that we're still getting inconsistent effort from guys shows that Brad is not getting to his players.

And none of this even touches on the fact that Brad's in-game decision-making is subpar and his rotations are arbitrary with no logical basis, which is a problem he has dealt with since Day 1 in 2014. It doesn't matter how genius is he in his preparation, it's all for naught if he's simply incapable of making sound in-game decisions or adjusting to the other team.

And at what point do we hold players accountable? It's interesting that the guy with the ring and an understanding of what it takes to win is showing up to start the season, while the guys that have been christened the next coming without earning it have struggled.

And how do you hold player's accountable? You cut their playing time. Outside of a few minor occurrences, Brad hasn't done that.

Re: Celtics (9-7) at Hornets (7-8) Game #16 11/19/18
« Reply #588 on: November 19, 2018, 10:02:19 PM »

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Rozier +6

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Should have played Rozier more

Lol context is hard, huh?

I am being a bit sarcastic. It's for those +/- lovers.

Smart played a very good offensive game today.

His defense wasn't up to his standard although not completely to blame.

But the +/- is FACTUAL here.

TP. I will give Rozier credit that he actually played better tonight on both sides of the ball with only a few dumb shots.

Re: Celtics (9-7) at Hornets (7-8) Game #16 11/19/18
« Reply #589 on: November 19, 2018, 10:04:13 PM »

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I don’t understand the Jaylen Brown thing either.  I though he played one of his better games of the season in his limited time.  Some very good passes, which frankly is a rarity for him.  In control going to the rim.  Disruptive in defense.

Not sure what he did to get benched.  Maybe Stevens just thought Smart was the most likely candidate to smother a hot Kemba... which was a fair thought, until it became clear that Walker was scoring all over him. 


Re: Celtics (9-7) at Hornets (7-8) Game #16 11/19/18
« Reply #590 on: November 19, 2018, 10:05:34 PM »

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So Brad made the right decision by benching Hayward, but proceeded to sabotage himself by playing Hayward over Brown in crunch time? ::) He's not ready yet...especially when we could've used Brown on Kemba.
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Re: Celtics (9-7) at Hornets (7-8) Game #16 11/19/18
« Reply #591 on: November 19, 2018, 10:05:43 PM »

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The reality is that they choked the game away offensively.  Up 98-88 with 9 min left in the 4th, and they scored 6 more points in the NEXT 5 MINUTES.  You cannot play like that if you want to be win games in the NBA.

And let me be one of the first to say that Horford is a major problem right now.
you are not even close to being the first. when ever al has a bad game, a herd of posters say this. then al plays well.
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Re: Celtics (9-7) at Hornets (7-8) Game #16 11/19/18
« Reply #592 on: November 19, 2018, 10:11:47 PM »

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The reality is that they choked the game away offensively.  Up 98-88 with 9 min left in the 4th, and they scored 6 more points in the NEXT 5 MINUTES.  You cannot play like that if you want to be win games in the NBA.

And let me be one of the first to say that Horford is a major problem right now.
you are not even close to being the first. when ever al has a bad game, a herd of posters say this. then al plays well.

But Al hasn't even had rebound games. He acts like he's allergic to shots at the rim and rebounds, his 3pt shooting has regressed.  He's not a good offensive player right now and really hasn't been yet this season.
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Re: Celtics (9-7) at Hornets (7-8) Game #16 11/19/18
« Reply #593 on: November 19, 2018, 10:14:47 PM »

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Per Kyrie's comments about needing a veteran presence on the team....I wonder what it would take to pull Channing Frye from the Cavs?  Seems like a solid guy we could plug in for boards occasionally, doesn't need to shoot and could steer the young guys from the bench.
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Re: Celtics (9-7) at Hornets (7-8) Game #16 11/19/18
« Reply #594 on: November 19, 2018, 10:15:17 PM »

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So Brad made the right decision by benching Hayward, but proceeded to sabotage himself by playing Hayward over Brown in crunch time? ::) He's not ready yet...especially when we could've used Brown on Kemba.
There are so many line up things I dont get. Having Kyrie and tatum out for extended time. Having baynes start over Hayward then still somehow play him over thirty minutes when it was clear he didnt have it tonight. Not play Rozier or Brown over 20 minutes when they are both having effective nights. Not maybe trying to switch Brown onto kemba when he was roasting Smart. And to be clear, Smart was playing great defense. Kemba just couldnt be stopped. the point is try something diffferent, let guys playing well play more. Less hayward untill he is closer to 100%

Re: Celtics (9-7) at Hornets (7-8) Game #16 11/19/18
« Reply #595 on: November 19, 2018, 10:17:26 PM »

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So Brad made the right decision by benching Hayward, but proceeded to sabotage himself by playing Hayward over Brown in crunch time? ::) He's not ready yet...especially when we could've used Brown on Kemba.
There are so many line up things I dont get. Having Kyrie and tatum out for extended time. Having baynes start over Hayward then still somehow play him over thirty minutes when it was clear he didnt have it tonight. Not play Rozier or Brown over 20 minutes when they are both having effective nights. Not maybe trying to switch Brown onto kemba when he was roasting Smart. And to be clear, Smart was playing great defense. Kemba just couldnt be stopped. the point is try something diffferent, let guys playing well play more. Less hayward untill he is closer to 100%
Which was what I was calling for a long time, Hayward off the bench as a sixth man averaging 23-28 MPG. But you know the educated Celtics fans who scream that we couldn't bench a max player who's SOOOO much better than our players ::)
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Re: Celtics (9-7) at Hornets (7-8) Game #16 11/19/18
« Reply #596 on: November 19, 2018, 10:30:03 PM »

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So Brad made the right decision by benching Hayward, but proceeded to sabotage himself by playing Hayward over Brown in crunch time? ::) He's not ready yet...especially when we could've used Brown on Kemba.
There are so many line up things I dont get. Having Kyrie and tatum out for extended time. Having baynes start over Hayward then still somehow play him over thirty minutes when it was clear he didnt have it tonight. Not play Rozier or Brown over 20 minutes when they are both having effective nights. Not maybe trying to switch Brown onto kemba when he was roasting Smart. And to be clear, Smart was playing great defense. Kemba just couldnt be stopped. the point is try something diffferent, let guys playing well play more. Less hayward untill he is closer to 100%
Which was what I was calling for a long time, Hayward off the bench as a sixth man averaging 23-28 MPG. But you know the educated Celtics fans who scream that we couldn't bench a max player who's SOOOO much better than our players ::)

You won't get any argument form me. And to be clear when hayward is right he IS VERY GOOD, and he absolutely should not come off the bench when he is back to being the guy he was his last year in Utah. But he's not that right now, he might not be for several months or even this entire year.

Re: Celtics (9-7) at Hornets (7-8) Game #16 11/19/18
« Reply #597 on: November 19, 2018, 10:40:35 PM »

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Kemba was just incredibly hot tonight but C's just folded down the stretch.  reaching the point in the season where Brad has got to stop experimenting with line-ups and rotations and get down to making this work.  too much talent on this roster for this team to be so bad.

almost to the point of wondering if the C's would have been better without Hayward returning this season --> without having to fit him in, would Tatum, Brown and Rozier continued their improvements from last season to this one?

Re: Celtics (9-7) at Hornets (7-8) Game #16 11/19/18
« Reply #598 on: November 19, 2018, 10:43:14 PM »

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The reality is that they choked the game away offensively.  Up 98-88 with 9 min left in the 4th, and they scored 6 more points in the NEXT 5 MINUTES.  You cannot play like that if you want to be win games in the NBA.

And let me be one of the first to say that Horford is a major problem right now.
you are not even close to being the first. when ever al has a bad game, a herd of posters say this. then al plays well.
Only problem is Al's good games have been far less common this season
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Re: Celtics (9-7) at Hornets (7-8) Game #16 11/19/18
« Reply #599 on: November 19, 2018, 10:43:51 PM »

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Kemba was just incredibly hot tonight but C's just folded down the stretch.  reaching the point in the season where Brad has got to stop experimenting with line-ups and rotations and get down to making this work.  too much talent on this roster for this team to be so bad.

almost to the point of wondering if the C's would have been better without Hayward returning this season --> without having to fit him in, would Tatum, Brown and Rozier continued their improvements from last season to this one?

I would agree that we would definitely be better without Hayward so far, but they are banking on him returning to normal. But it's obviously taking a long time as expected but it's def hurting the team in the process.