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Is this a championship starting 5

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Re: Is this a Championship starting five
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2019, 10:36:17 AM »

Offline footey

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Obviously.
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Re: Is this a Championship starting five
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2019, 10:37:52 AM »

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The politics of a coach and his stars are impossible in the NBA. Consider that the coach with the most power and  the strongest history of relationship building by far, Pop, still experienced a meltdown of his relationship with Kawhi Leonard.

Stevens was in an impossible position with Kyrie. He was in the last year of his contract, and we can all sit back and say he should have demanded things from him that he didn't demand. What we don't know is if it would have worked, and if it would have tipped him towards leaving town or not.

In the end, even the strongest coaches are captive of the nature of their best players. Management can be behind them, and that helps some, but you have to have the stars that support the relationship, and if you don't, you won't be in change of the teams destiny.

This is why rolling the dice with Kyrie and AD is so scary, because while neither guy is evil, they are both shaky personalities who don't understand how to construct a stable relationship with their coach.

Of course that starting five could win a title, but it will be a group that will be controlled by the whims of Kyrie and AD. Whatever happens, it really won't be up to Stevens, or any other coach that we could bring in, because that only happens with the consent of your best players.

Does anyone think Kyrie and AD will fully commit to that consent?
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Re: Is this a Championship starting five
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2019, 11:28:18 AM »

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Who is on the bench? It takes more than five.
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Re: Is this a Championship starting five
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2019, 11:46:01 AM »

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Quote from: IDreamCeltics on May 13, 2019, 10:09:11 AM
Absolutely.  It's a complete pipe dream and will never happen, but it's a Championship Caliber starting five no doubt.




 A complete pipe dream. Wait. What?
 When Davis agrees to resign in Boston that's exactly what is going to happen.


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Re: Is this a Championship starting five
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2019, 11:50:15 AM »

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My answer is no -- I think the players would really need to buy into a collective style of play and complement one another, and I don't see that happening with that group. 

The talent in that group of five is on par with many championship level teams, but I don't think the fit is there.
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Re: Is this a Championship starting five
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2019, 11:57:16 AM »

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Gordon would have to go, you'd do better with a 3&D wing like Robert Covington. Or someone that can at least give you consistency in whatever role they'd have.
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Re: Is this a Championship starting five
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2019, 12:01:57 PM »

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Hayward would need to return to Utah form
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Re: Is this a Championship starting five
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2019, 12:55:04 PM »

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Healthy Embiid and healthy Butler will abuse Davis and Hayward (he has struggled mightily against the top small forwards even during his peak year in Utah)...
don’t see us beating the Sixers unless we have closers and assassins on the bench like Lou Williams and Montrezl Harris.
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« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2019, 12:55:46 PM »

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Re: Is this a Championship starting five
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2019, 04:45:25 PM »

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Quote from: NKY fan on May 13, 2019, 12:55:04 PM
Healthy Embiid and healthy Butler will abuse Davis and Hayward (he has struggled mightily against the top small forwards even during his peak year in Utah)...
don’t see us beating the Sixers unless we have closers and assassins on the bench like Lou Williams and Montrezl Harris.

I’m more concerned about Milwaukee and Toronto.

Horford defends Embiid and Brown takes Butler.  Since Simmons can’t shoot, Davis gets plenty of room to help.
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Re: Is this a Championship starting five
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2019, 04:54:40 PM »

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Definitely a championship starting five if healthy.
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Re: Is this a Championship starting five
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2019, 04:55:07 PM »

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Quote from: RJ87 on May 13, 2019, 11:57:16 AM
Gordon would have to go, you'd do better with a 3&D wing like Robert Covington. Or someone that can at least give you consistency in whatever role they'd have.

Yeah. I think they might be able to do it with that group, but I'd be happier with a more limited 3 and D guy in the Hayward spot who knew his role, was happy in it, and give it full-gas effort.
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Re: Is this a Championship starting five
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2019, 05:05:20 PM »

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On paper? Probably.

In reality? We may never know.

Here is a question: would a guy like Jay Crowder be a more effective player in that lineup than Gordon Hayward?
« Last Edit: May 13, 2019, 05:11:56 PM by CF033 »
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Re: Is this a Championship starting five
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2019, 05:45:48 PM »

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Quote from: CF033 on May 13, 2019, 05:05:20 PM
On paper? Probably.

In reality? We may never know.

Here is a question: would a guy like Jay Crowder be a more effective player in that lineup than Gordon Hayward?

Jae Crowder now or 2016-17 Jae Crowder?
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Re: Is this a Championship starting five
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2019, 07:16:03 PM »

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No.

Bucks are bigger and play harder on defense and you have to beat them. Davis is a great player, but, I've never seen him fight.

Look at Celtics championship teams of the past.

The players have to fight for a title and there aren't enough fighters in that group.

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