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Re: Coaches/GM's weigh in on Tatum vs. Brown
« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2019, 11:32:35 PM »

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The average celticsblog user’s recollection through casually watching games vs actual data backed by an entire analytics department that gms base their opinions on... hmmm... I wonder which one has more merit.

Re: Coaches/GM's weigh in on Tatum vs. Brown
« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2019, 12:17:33 AM »

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The average celticsblog user’s recollection through casually watching games vs actual data backed by an entire analytics department that gms base their opinions on... hmmm... I wonder which one has more merit.

Sometimes, eye test is a much better indication than analytics. Heart, motor, leadership and other intangibles cannot be measured by any analytics.

Re: Coaches/GM's weigh in on Tatum vs. Brown
« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2019, 12:35:36 AM »

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The average celticsblog user’s recollection through casually watching games vs actual data backed by an entire analytics department that gms base their opinions on... hmmm... I wonder which one has more merit.

Sometimes, eye test is a much better indication than analytics. Heart, motor, leadership and other intangibles cannot be measured by any analytics.

three types of lies.... lies ...darn lies, and statistics!!!

Re: Coaches/GM's weigh in on Tatum vs. Brown
« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2019, 12:41:18 AM »

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The average celticsblog user’s recollection through casually watching games vs actual data backed by an entire analytics department that gms base their opinions on... hmmm... I wonder which one has more merit.

Sometimes, eye test is a much better indication than analytics. Heart, motor, leadership and other intangibles cannot be measured by any analytics.

These are billion dollar businesses. Everything is measured.

Re: Coaches/GM's weigh in on Tatum vs. Brown
« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2019, 01:56:13 AM »

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The average celticsblog user’s recollection through casually watching games vs actual data backed by an entire analytics department that gms base their opinions on... hmmm... I wonder which one has more merit.

Sometimes, eye test is a much better indication than analytics. Heart, motor, leadership and other intangibles cannot be measured by any analytics.

These are billion dollar businesses. Everything is measured.

I very much doubt these GM's were pouring over their data or consulting their analytics department extensively to answer a journalists question about which on two young guys on a team that isnt theres is better.

Re: Coaches/GM's weigh in on Tatum vs. Brown
« Reply #50 on: May 11, 2019, 03:44:09 AM »

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The average celticsblog user’s recollection through casually watching games vs actual data backed by an entire analytics department that gms base their opinions on... hmmm... I wonder which one has more merit.

Sometimes, eye test is a much better indication than analytics. Heart, motor, leadership and other intangibles cannot be measured by any analytics.

These are billion dollar businesses. Everything is measured.

Horford wouldn't have gotten a Max and Smart wouldn't have a contract right now, if that was the case.

Re: Coaches/GM's weigh in on Tatum vs. Brown
« Reply #51 on: May 11, 2019, 08:57:10 AM »

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The average celticsblog user’s recollection through casually watching games vs actual data backed by an entire analytics department that gms base their opinions on... hmmm... I wonder which one has more merit.

Sometimes, eye test is a much better indication than analytics. Heart, motor, leadership and other intangibles cannot be measured by any analytics.

These are billion dollar businesses. Everything is measured.

I very much doubt these GM's were pouring over their data or consulting their analytics department extensively to answer a journalists question about which on two young guys on a team that isnt theres is better.

You’re failing to understand how GMs or managers in general operate. You don’t get to a position that high up without being able to rattle off gobs of information at a moments notice, even after a few drinks schmoozing investors. That’s their job. They collect information, make decisions based on that information, and relay it to stakeholders. Yes, he isn’t going to be able to remember left vs right handed drive tendencies for Gabusele because he’s not a significant player, but for someone as important as Tatum who he would probably give up a lot of his team for, he knows everything basketball related and a lot about his personal life. They’re machines, especially if it is someone who went through a traditional management path (not Magic Johnson).

The average celticsblog user’s recollection through casually watching games vs actual data backed by an entire analytics department that gms base their opinions on... hmmm... I wonder which one has more merit.

Sometimes, eye test is a much better indication than analytics. Heart, motor, leadership and other intangibles cannot be measured by any analytics.

These are billion dollar businesses. Everything is measured.

Horford wouldn't have gotten a Max and Smart wouldn't have a contract right now, if that was the case.

I mean sometimes GMs overpay for various reasons (I couldn’t get a better deal, I had to hit the salary floor, I want to use his contract later for a trade chip, incompetency, etc). However, the two players you listed were paid at least their fair market value (multiple teams would have paid a similar price - can’t say all because not all teams are in the same situation at any given time) as evidenced by Horford receiving multiple offers and Smart involved in a lot of trade talk as an asset (not filler) for Anthony Davis. It also sounds like you believe that Smart isn’t an NBA caliber player, which is absurd.

Re: Coaches/GM's weigh in on Tatum vs. Brown
« Reply #52 on: May 11, 2019, 10:42:28 AM »

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The average celticsblog user’s recollection through casually watching games vs actual data backed by an entire analytics department that gms base their opinions on... hmmm... I wonder which one has more merit.

Sometimes, eye test is a much better indication than analytics. Heart, motor, leadership and other intangibles cannot be measured by any analytics.

These are billion dollar businesses. Everything is measured.

I very much doubt these GM's were pouring over their data or consulting their analytics department extensively to answer a journalists question about which on two young guys on a team that isnt theres is better.

You’re failing to understand how GMs or managers in general operate. You don’t get to a position that high up without being able to rattle off gobs of information at a moments notice, even after a few drinks schmoozing investors. That’s their job. They collect information, make decisions based on that information, and relay it to stakeholders. Yes, he isn’t going to be able to remember left vs right handed drive tendencies for Gabusele because he’s not a significant player, but for someone as important as Tatum who he would probably give up a lot of his team for, he knows everything basketball related and a lot about his personal life. They’re machines, especially if it is someone who went through a traditional management path (not Magic Johnson).

The average celticsblog user’s recollection through casually watching games vs actual data backed by an entire analytics department that gms base their opinions on... hmmm... I wonder which one has more merit.

Sometimes, eye test is a much better indication than analytics. Heart, motor, leadership and other intangibles cannot be measured by any analytics.

These are billion dollar businesses. Everything is measured.

Horford wouldn't have gotten a Max and Smart wouldn't have a contract right now, if that was the case.

I mean sometimes GMs overpay for various reasons (I couldn’t get a better deal, I had to hit the salary floor, I want to use his contract later for a trade chip, incompetency, etc). However, the two players you listed were paid at least their fair market value (multiple teams would have paid a similar price - can’t say all because not all teams are in the same situation at any given time) as evidenced by Horford receiving multiple offers and Smart involved in a lot of trade talk as an asset (not filler) for Anthony Davis. It also sounds like you believe that Smart isn’t an NBA caliber player, which is absurd.
There were only two GMs involved in the article, the rest were assistant coaches. And not every GM in the league is a new school collector of information that can spout off up to date scouting reports, with data, from the top of their head, on every top 100 player or top 50 prospect in the league.

Actually, it appeared many of those that commented had a scouting report that was more in line with what Tatum looked like last year and not this year. It really read to me like the reason fans can see Tatum in one light and those "informed" GMs and assistant coaches in another is because those GMs and assistant coaches don't appear to have the most recent scouting reports or most up to date statistical analysis of each player memorized whereas those fans just watched 91 games of Tatum and Brown.

Re: Coaches/GM's weigh in on Tatum vs. Brown
« Reply #53 on: May 11, 2019, 12:18:49 PM »

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It’s almost as if you want to say that teams would be better run by “twitch plays NBA GM.”

What you actually remember from this past season and what you think you remember are very far apart because you’re a human being. Whether it’s the GM or the president of basketball ops or some other figure with a more traditional management role, someone in that organization is using analytics to make smart basketball decisions. Not based on gut or what they think that they observed.

Re: Coaches/GM's weigh in on Tatum vs. Brown
« Reply #54 on: May 11, 2019, 05:15:10 PM »

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The average celticsblog user’s recollection through casually watching games vs actual data backed by an entire analytics department that gms base their opinions on... hmmm... I wonder which one has more merit.

Sometimes, eye test is a much better indication than analytics. Heart, motor, leadership and other intangibles cannot be measured by any analytics.

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Re: Coaches/GM's weigh in on Tatum vs. Brown
« Reply #55 on: May 11, 2019, 05:16:29 PM »

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Tatum remains a player with superstar potential. 

Brown remains a player with fringe star potential.

Re: Coaches/GM's weigh in on Tatum vs. Brown
« Reply #56 on: May 11, 2019, 05:48:47 PM »

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What a difference a few weeks can make.


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Re: Coaches/GM's weigh in on Tatum vs. Brown
« Reply #57 on: May 11, 2019, 07:42:22 PM »

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What a difference a few weeks can make.
Yeah kinda like last year where everyone properly recognized our playoff roster lacked star talent and we'd likely get owned in the first round.

A few weeks later after a couple big upsets, fans collectively decided it was an East powerhouse that would be world-beaters once Kyrie and Hayward returned.

Opinions sure can change in a few weeks.

As for Brown and Tatum, not much has changed.   Tatum has the potential to be a superstar.  Brown has the potential to be a fringe allstar.

Re: Coaches/GM's weigh in on Tatum vs. Brown
« Reply #58 on: May 11, 2019, 07:47:25 PM »

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What a difference a few weeks can make.
Yeah kinda like last year where everyone properly recognized our playoff roster lacked star talent and we'd likely get owned in the first round.

A few weeks later after a couple big upsets, fans collectively decided it was an East powerhouse that would be world-beaters once Kyrie and Hayward returned.

Opinions sure can change in a few weeks.

As for Brown and Tatum, not much has changed.   Tatum has the potential to be a superstar.  Brown has the potential to be a fringe allstar.
Highly doubt either of them ever even come close to being superstars. I see more Joe Johnson/Shawn Marion level players at their prime,
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Re: Coaches/GM's weigh in on Tatum vs. Brown
« Reply #59 on: May 11, 2019, 11:07:08 PM »

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The average celticsblog user’s recollection through casually watching games vs actual data backed by an entire analytics department that gms base their opinions on... hmmm... I wonder which one has more merit.

Sometimes, eye test is a much better indication than analytics. Heart, motor, leadership and other intangibles cannot be measured by any analytics.
And sometimes fans are wrong.