Celtics (7-5) at Trailblazers (9-3) Game #13 11/11/18

[jpotter33]

Pitiful road trip. Hayward just doesn't need to be starting yet. He's not much of a threat to score the ball, and his defense has been bad. Al and Brown being no-shows clearly hasn't helped either, but I think replacing Gordon in the starting lineup makes the most sense right now.

I was a little sketchy with playing that small across the board with only one true big in Al out there anyways, but I thought it'd end up working out with our increased shooting and playmaking, along with still having lots of good, long defenders on the perimeter. But the fact that our offense isn't making up for our loss in size and defense (e.g. all those offensive boards tonight) points to me that we could do ourselves some good by either going more defense-oriented in the starting lineup (Baynes for Gordon) or offense-oriented in the starting lineup (Morris for Gordon).

At the very least it'd give us an identity to work around and not have us continuously get into these major holes that we have to fight so hard to get out of.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Interesting Bobby Marks tweet:  https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1061836761041657856

and the first idiotic comment at the top


SuperSplashSquad
‏ @SplashMyers
12m12 minutes ago
Replying to @BobbyMarks42

If I am Ainge, this is the game that proves that I don’t need kyrie. His “greatest” skill is being the closer and he failed. You have people watching him jack up terrible shots. Trade Kyrie and resign Rozier.

[SHAQATTACK]

i expect Danny may not be the happy camper either with this team

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

i expect Danny may not be the happy camper either with this team

TRADER DANNY IS COMING SOON TO A THEATER NEAR YOU!

[Kuberski33]

The frustrating thing is that there's been a lethargy impacting this team since the very first pre-season game.  They've looked really good exactly once this season - vs Milwaukee. They've got plenty of energy guys, yet their defense breaks down in the middle of games. Their shooting has collectively stunk to such a degree that Kyrie I think has tried to put it all on his shoulders - and that's probably not helping.

Jaylen and Rozier have pretty much stunk all season.  Al seems to need help and it's not happening with the smaller lineups.  And Hayward is getting lots of minutes and at key times despite the fact that he's no longer close to being back.

Right now it's just not working for these guys.

[SHAQATTACK]

Pitiful road trip. Hayward just doesn't need to be starting yet. He's not much of a threat to score the ball, and his defense has been bad. Al and Brown being no-shows clearly hasn't helped either, but I think replacing Gordon in the starting lineup makes the most sense right now.

I was a little sketchy with playing that small across the board with only one true big in Al out there anyways, but I thought it'd end up working out with our increased shooting and playmaking, along with still having lots of good, long defenders on the perimeter. But the fact that our offense isn't making up for our loss in size and defense (e.g. all those offensive boards tonight) points to me that we could do ourselves some good by either going more defense-oriented in the starting lineup (Baynes for Gordon) or offense-oriented in the starting lineup (Morris for Gordon).

At the very least it'd give us an identity to work around and not have us continuously get into these major holes that we have to fight so hard to get out of.

CBS seems determined to stickwith GH ,  rather play him back into form .   Maybe at tye  cost of alot of games.   

sleep less,nights for CBS. right now

[jpotter33]

https://twitter.com/highkin/status/1061838332521410562

Satire? Can't really tell.

He's got a tough job at getting all of these pieces to mesh, and that will clearly take time that we should all give him plenty of time to address.

But it is a pretty big failure that he can't get these guys to play with consistent energy from quarter to quarter, let alone night to night. I know chemistry plays a part in that, but defensive energy shouldn't be affected by that all that much.

The hype clearly got to these guys' heads, and Brad even saw it in the preseason when he said we aren't as good as we think we are/as we are made out to be. Yet, he hasn't been able to figure out how to address it yet, and that's where the "not well-coached team" part is clearly accurate.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Pitiful road trip. Hayward just doesn't need to be starting yet. He's not much of a threat to score the ball, and his defense has been bad. Al and Brown being no-shows clearly hasn't helped either, but I think replacing Gordon in the starting lineup makes the most sense right now.

I was a little sketchy with playing that small across the board with only one true big in Al out there anyways, but I thought it'd end up working out with our increased shooting and playmaking, along with still having lots of good, long defenders on the perimeter. But the fact that our offense isn't making up for our loss in size and defense (e.g. all those offensive boards tonight) points to me that we could do ourselves some good by either going more defense-oriented in the starting lineup (Baynes for Gordon) or offense-oriented in the starting lineup (Morris for Gordon).

At the very least it'd give us an identity to work around and not have us continuously get into these major holes that we have to fight so hard to get out of.

CBS seems determined to stickwith GH ,  rather play him back into form .   Maybe at tye  cost of alot of games.   

sleep less,nights for CBS. right now

GH should be on the bench

work him in slowly

[Kuberski33]

Pitiful road trip. Hayward just doesn't need to be starting yet. He's not much of a threat to score the ball, and his defense has been bad. Al and Brown being no-shows clearly hasn't helped either, but I think replacing Gordon in the starting lineup makes the most sense right now.

I was a little sketchy with playing that small across the board with only one true big in Al out there anyways, but I thought it'd end up working out with our increased shooting and playmaking, along with still having lots of good, long defenders on the perimeter. But the fact that our offense isn't making up for our loss in size and defense (e.g. all those offensive boards tonight) points to me that we could do ourselves some good by either going more defense-oriented in the starting lineup (Baynes for Gordon) or offense-oriented in the starting lineup (Morris for Gordon).

At the very least it'd give us an identity to work around and not have us continuously get into these major holes that we have to fight so hard to get out of.

CBS seems determined to stickwith GH ,  rather play him back into form .   Maybe at tye  cost of alot of games.   

sleep less,nights for CBS. right now

Well, they paid him $30 million a season and the biggest reason he came here was because of Brad so he probably feels like he owes him.  So far it hasn't at all worked out like anyone expected, but ultimately Hayward needs to be a key part of this team because he's untradeable right now. 

I do get the impression that Brad doesn't mind sacrificing some games in the near term, but Hayward has a long way to go.  His timing just isn't there yet.  It's coming...but slowly.. possibly more slowly than management expected.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

https://twitter.com/highkin/status/1061838332521410562

Satire? Can't really tell.

He's got a tough job at getting all of these pieces to mesh, and that will clearly take time that we should all give him plenty of time to address.

But it is a pretty big failure that he can't get these guys to play with consistent energy from quarter to quarter, let alone night to night. I know chemistry plays a part in that, but defensive energy shouldn't be affected by that all that much.

The hype clearly got to these guys' heads, and Brad even saw it in the preseason when he said we aren't as good as we think we are/as we are made out to be. Yet, he hasn't been able to figure out how to address it yet, and that's where the "not well-coached team" part is clearly accurate.

brad has done a terrible job of getting guys to go to rim and play inside out

[jpotter33]

Brad: “we’re not a well coached team right now...we need to start games better”

Well then:

(A) He's going to have to talk to his golden-boy Hayward and let him know that he's going to have to come off the bench until he's back closer to himself, because he's a big part of the early-game troubles; and

(B) He's going to have to start holding his guys more accountable, and a big part of that is limiting playing time. The young guys need this especially, but I think even someone like Horford could benefit from some of that.

These guys are professionals, and there's a certain level of energy, intensity, and focus that Brad should demand of them every game.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

goodnight everyone

see you back in BAWSTIN!

[CelticSooner]

Hayward should be this teams Manu until he can show that he isn’t afraid of contact again. CBS and Ainge have there work cut out for them keeping this team from pointing fingers.

[satch]

 Last year's young players went to the eastern conference finals without Irving and Haywood. I don't think they will step aside and play a lesser role. The big difference is last years team played a more complete game. Don't think everyone is buying in to the changing of the guard.

[ozgod]

Pitiful road trip. Hayward just doesn't need to be starting yet. He's not much of a threat to score the ball, and his defense has been bad. Al and Brown being no-shows clearly hasn't helped either, but I think replacing Gordon in the starting lineup makes the most sense right now.

I was a little sketchy with playing that small across the board with only one true big in Al out there anyways, but I thought it'd end up working out with our increased shooting and playmaking, along with still having lots of good, long defenders on the perimeter. But the fact that our offense isn't making up for our loss in size and defense (e.g. all those offensive boards tonight) points to me that we could do ourselves some good by either going more defense-oriented in the starting lineup (Baynes for Gordon) or offense-oriented in the starting lineup (Morris for Gordon).

At the very least it'd give us an identity to work around and not have us continuously get into these major holes that we have to fight so hard to get out of.

CBS seems determined to stickwith GH ,  rather play him back into form .   Maybe at tye  cost of alot of games.   

sleep less,nights for CBS. right now

Chris Mannix thinks that of Gordon, Jayson and Jaylen, Jaylen should be the one to sit. I looked up their stats on basketball-reference:

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Per Game
Rk Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
▼
1 Jayson Tatum 2018-19 20 12 12 32.8 5.2 12.8 .403 1.4 4.0 .354 3.8 8.8 .425 .458 3.4 3.8 .891 1.3 5.7 6.9 2.8 1.0 0.4 1.8 2.7 15.2
2 Jaylen Brown 2018-19 22 11 11 30.2 4.5 12.1 .368 1.2 4.3 .277 3.3 7.8 .419 .417 1.6 2.6 .621 1.4 3.2 4.5 1.4 0.5 0.5 1.2 2.7 11.7
3 Gordon Hayward 2018-19 28 11 11 25.1 3.7 9.5 .394 1.3 4.0 .318 2.5 5.5 .450 .462 1.5 1.9 .762 0.9 4.3 5.2 2.6 0.8 0.3 1.2 1.8 10.2


Per 36 Minutes
Rk Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
▼
1 Jayson Tatum 2018-19 20 12 12 394 5.7 14.1 .403 1.6 4.4 .354 4.1 9.7 .425 3.7 4.2 .891 1.4 6.2 7.6 3.0 1.1 0.5 2.0 2.9 16.6
2 Gordon Hayward 2018-19 28 11 11 276 5.3 13.6 .394 1.8 5.7 .318 3.5 7.8 .450 2.1 2.7 .762 1.3 6.1 7.4 3.8 1.2 0.4 1.7 2.6 14.6
3 Jaylen Brown 2018-19 22 11 11 332 5.3 14.4 .368 1.4 5.1 .277 3.9 9.3 .419 2.0 3.1 .621 1.6 3.8 5.4 1.6 0.5 0.7 1.4 3.3 14.0



Advanced
Rk Player Season Age G MP PER▼ TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1 Jayson Tatum 2018-19 20 12 394 13.7 .522 .312 .299 3.8 18.2 10.9 13.1 1.5 1.1 11.2 21.6 0.2 0.7 0.9 .105 -1.3 1.4 0.1 0.2
2 Gordon Hayward 2018-19 28 11 276 12.7 .495 .423 .202 3.6 18.0 10.6 16.2 1.6 0.9 10.3 19.8 0.0 0.5 0.5 .092 -1.3 1.3 -0.1 0.1
3 Jaylen Brown 2018-19 22 11 332 7.8 .443 .353 .218 4.5 11.1 7.8 7.0 0.7 1.6 8.2 20.8 -0.4 0.5 0.1 .013 -4.1 -0.2 -4.3 -0.2
We talk a lot about Gordon because the disparity between Peak Gordon and Current Gordon is pretty big but when you look at Jaylen's stats he's had a pretty putrid year, not just not scoring, but not really hitting the boards or passing either.