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Title: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: rondohondo on November 21, 2012, 08:45:29 PM
I was actually really positive about both players in the preseason, guess that's why they call it the preseason ....

Lee looks totally lost on both ends, going under picks and giving Ginobili wide open 3's, getting in the air with a wide open J but throw it to KG who isn't looking

Green just floating around on the perimeter. Get you ass down on the post if you have a sf on you, you have a nice little hook USE IT!!!!!! If a bigger slower PF is on you GO TO THE BASKET. How hard is this to figure out ?

God we might be stuck with this crap for the next 2 seasons at least, no one is going to want their contracts >:(

Watch both go off in the 2nd half now  ;)
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 21, 2012, 08:49:49 PM
Could NOT we afford JOSH SMITH for 60 million, or Milsap , or at least Gortat.

Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: blastoidesroidsnoids on November 21, 2012, 08:56:27 PM
Stop complaining about them we're well aware of their performances thus far in the very beginning of this season.  You're just going to have to wait and see how they pan out or hope your ass off for a trade... otherwise stop posting the same crap.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: rondohondo on November 21, 2012, 08:59:25 PM
Stop complaining about them we're well aware of their performances thus far in the very beginning of this season.  You're just going to have to wait and see how they pan out or hope your ass off for a trade... otherwise stop posting the same crap.

This is the first post I have made about either all season, I have been quiet hoping they would show something , but tonight I am sick of seeing the same crap. This is a message board by the way, if you don't like the topic just ignore it
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 21, 2012, 09:02:21 PM
Stop complaining about them we're well aware of their performances thus far in the very beginning of this season.  You're just going to have to wait and see how they pan out or hope your ass off for a trade... otherwise stop posting the same crap.


This is the first post I have made about either all season, I have been quiet hoping they would show something , but tonight I am sick of seeing the same crap. This is a message board by the way, if you don't like the topic just ignore it

TP bro
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: blastoidesroidsnoids on November 21, 2012, 09:22:33 PM
Stop complaining about them we're well aware of their performances thus far in the very beginning of this season.  You're just going to have to wait and see how they pan out or hope your ass off for a trade... otherwise stop posting the same crap.

This is the first post I have made about either all season, I have been quiet hoping they would show something , but tonight I am sick of seeing the same crap. This is a message board by the way, if you don't like the topic just ignore it
Yes its a messageboard, very good.  Theres more than enough threads about this so it would be appropriate to post in one of those instead of posting the same topic.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: snively on November 21, 2012, 09:46:28 PM
An entertaining title. 

They certainly have played poorly to start the season.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: vinnie on November 21, 2012, 09:47:44 PM
Jeff Green should be arrested for highway robbery right now. This is absolutely pitiful.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Galeto on November 21, 2012, 09:59:50 PM
Don't know about garbage but Green's athleticism is highly overrated.  When he has time and space to run, his athleticism jumps into the excellent category but unfortunately, those opportunities aren't plentiful in the NBA.  The drive he made tonight when he got blocked by Diaw is very telling.  An elite athlete like he's supposed to be no match for Diaw but he's slow in dribble penetration so Diaw stuck with him, he's slow in leaping and he lacks aggression, so Diaw, I mean, Diaw blocked his shot on an iso drive. That was ridiculous. 
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Kane3387 on November 21, 2012, 10:03:10 PM
Neither has a motor, especially green.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Eja117 on November 21, 2012, 10:07:08 PM
Doc definitely needs to grab Green and say "Hey. Remember the preseason when you decided to played well? Play like that again. You don't have to, but if you don't I'll try to hook you up with a real estate agent in Milwaukee"
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on November 21, 2012, 10:11:46 PM
Id gladly trade both of these guys. When bradley comes back we won't need LEE and a broomstick would be an upgrade from green.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: celticslove on November 21, 2012, 10:12:01 PM
they are under utilized so this is expected, i put the blame also on doc
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Galeto on November 21, 2012, 10:18:49 PM
Doc definitely needs to grab Green and say "Hey. Remember the preseason when you decided to played well? Play like that again. You don't have to, but if you don't I'll try to hook you up with a real estate agent in Milwaukee"

Only problem is that that was preseason.  They're not very meaningful, except perhaps for rookies and even then they're not very meaningful.  How ridiculous would it be for a coach to say to a vet, "Remember what you did in preseason?  Be that player!"  That would be pretty ridiculous. Yes, do what you did against backups in meaningless games.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 21, 2012, 10:21:59 PM
Neither has a motor, especially green.

yup...you gotta WANT it ....like KOBE ....Lee tries , but Green just looks like he is relaxing and putting in a day at the office....he really doesn't seem to care if he wins or loses to me. ??? ::)
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Shad0wman on November 21, 2012, 10:22:26 PM
I can't stand JG, every time I think about him or see him I cry thinking about the thousands of children starving because of the fraud of a basketball player. What a shame. Maybe if he dontaed all his money to charity and left the team to go become a missionary, I might reconsider, but as long as he's on this team, I have complete confidence that the C's will do nothing but fail as a team.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: cons on November 21, 2012, 10:22:28 PM
Jeff green is reminding me a lot of vin baker and raef la frentz. Those r very bad memories. This sucks!
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: vinnie on November 21, 2012, 10:29:38 PM
I am greatly anticipating the day that Jeff Green is traded.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Clench123 on November 21, 2012, 10:36:08 PM
Two biggest disappointments in recent memory.  Please, get rid of these two
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Kane3387 on November 21, 2012, 10:39:32 PM
I'm not ready to put green in the baker and raef category yet, but man this is bad.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 21, 2012, 10:41:53 PM
They're horrible right now, no question.  It's not just Lee and Green, the team as a whole hasn't been playing with any heart or pride.   

As dismal as it looks, it's still only 12 games in.  I'll wait until at least the All-Star break to pass judgment.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: jowwwman on November 21, 2012, 10:44:07 PM
Jeff Green is without a doubt the worst FA signing for the past two seasons. You can tell how well a player will do by watching his body language. To those who say its Docs fault for not playing him more give me a break. You need to earn playing time by playing well. If you can't score, rebound, play defense or do ANYTHING there is no reason you should ever see playing time.

He has no heart and VERY LOW basketball IQ. Everyone who says he's a smart player never watch basketball and simply like him because he looks like a nice guy. We could've gotten Carl Landry and Jarret jack and still had money left over with the contract we gave green. It makes me sick how much he's making.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: jowwwman on November 21, 2012, 10:49:21 PM
Green is absolute garbage you can only feel bad for a guy who had surgery for so long before you realize he's making 40 million for doing NOTHING and to those who want to give him time and excuse after excuse how many 5 point games on 30% shooting does green need to have for you to realize he will never be a contributor. I swear people cut this guy so much slack if it was big baby davis we would have started the trade him threads in the first 5 games of the season.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 21, 2012, 10:52:19 PM
Doc must be scard to chew them out....  I think the Bobcats are playing with more pride.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Galeto on November 21, 2012, 11:03:21 PM
I don't think it's a matter of effort with Green.  His motor isn't that high but it's not like he dogs it.  He's just not above average in any one aspect of the game and his defensive IQ is just poor.  It doesn't help his image that he's very stoic on the court. 

He's about the same player he was at OKC but getting fewer minutes.  I don't know why he was paid to be a much better player while being a reserve.  It was a recipe for disaster.  If Green was signed to be a reserve, I would've gone for a real role player instead.  Matt Barnes for instance is killing it with the Clippers at a fraction of the cost of Green.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: apc on November 21, 2012, 11:11:18 PM
not that i am happy with the way Green plays, but before i completely give up on him i would like to see how he plays as a starter.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: vinnie on November 21, 2012, 11:14:07 PM
not that i am happy with the way Green plays, but before i completely give up on him i would like to see how he plays as a starter.

He would score a few more points and get a few more rebounds, but he would still be a passive player without the killer instinct.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: jowwwman on November 21, 2012, 11:18:13 PM
I don't think it's a matter of effort with Green.  His motor isn't that high but it's not like he dogs it.  He's just not above average in any one aspect of the game and his defensive IQ is just poor.  It doesn't help his image that he's very stoic on the court. 

He's about the same player he was at OKC but getting fewer minutes.  I don't know why he was paid to be a much better player while being a reserve.  It was a recipe for disaster.  If Green was signed to be a reserve, I would've gone for a real role player instead.  Matt Barnes for instance is killing it with the Clippers at a fraction of the cost of Green.

Barnes kept the Clippers in the game against OKC for the entire 4th quarter and overtime in ways that won't show up in the box score. We will NEVER and i mean NEVER see Jeff green make good hustle plays for our teeam. He may hit a big shot once or twice in his career but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Galeto on November 21, 2012, 11:27:04 PM
not that i am happy with the way Green plays, but before i completely give up on him i would like to see how he plays as a starter.

Me too.  In an ideal world, the Celtics wouldn't start a poor defender and rebounder at PF so Green wouldn't start but since they're already starting a poor rebounder and defender in Bass, I'd give Green at shot to see if it can turn him around.  Green and Bass are basically the same players in many ways but Green is a better passer (which isn't saying much) and more versatile offensively. 

On paper, I think Green was supposed to be the offensive dynamo for the second unit along with Terry.  On paper, if you didn't really see him play at OKC, maybe it wasn't that farfetched but on paper, Terry was supposed to be another ballhandler and dangerous scoring weapon off the bench and he's almost exclusively playing off the ball and starting so things can change.  Green just hasn't shown the ability to be an offensive catalyst who can take over the game for stretches so maybe he'll be better playing with better teammates. 
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Smutzy#9 on November 22, 2012, 01:03:40 AM
Neither has a motor, especially green.

How bout i cut your chest open, stick crap in your heart and see how you have a motor after it, sound good????

Yes Jeff Green hasnt played to his contract atm, its 10 games into the season and the kid didnt play last year, give him time. Far out!
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: moiso on November 22, 2012, 01:14:39 AM
These are two very low IQ players.  Green does nothing, and Lee blatantly passes to the wrong team at least once a game.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on November 22, 2012, 01:20:43 AM
Neither has a motor, especially green.

How bout i cut your chest open, stick crap in your heart and see how you have a motor after it, sound good????

Yes Jeff Green hasnt played to his contract atm, its 10 games into the season and the kid didnt play last year, give him time. Far out!

This excuse is getting real old real fast and its 12 games into the season not 10.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 22, 2012, 01:30:48 AM
They are a bit disappointing.

I'm wondering if it's them or it's the roles that they play. I mean they weren't, and shouldn't be as BAD as this.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 22, 2012, 01:57:48 AM
Awesome that someone mentioned Vin Baker and Lafrentz in this thread. Couldn't make me happier.

Haven't posted in a while, but I read Kane's perspective in another thread and here again, and I think he is spot on. I take more issue with Green than Lee, and never saw Lee as more than a filler...

but Green doesn't have a motor, and in my humble opinion, I don't think he has the chops to be a big-time player. The guy oozes basketball player... he looks the part, he has that Jesus Shuttlesworth aura about him, and when he is locked-in, he does something that turns heads.

Overall, I think the guy has an NBA body that will fit a 3/4 depending on the match up, he has the talent, and he has the bball IQ. He just doesn't have the drive, that X factor that, as someone else mentioned in another thread, a guy like Posey (not nearly as talented) does and will therefore have a way bigger impact on the game.

I thought this prior to the season, feel the same way now (perhaps even more so). I do believe it was an awful signing, and I hope the culture of our team can influence his attitude/personality a bit, but I think we have seen what we are going to get from Green. He will be super inconsistent, largely disappoint, and at times turn our heads. Never did like Ainge, and I think he definitely dropped the ball here. I wonder what Doc thinks of Green right now, and the vets as well...
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: manl_lui on November 22, 2012, 02:16:53 AM
They are a bit disappointing.

I'm wondering if it's them or it's the roles that they play. I mean they weren't, and shouldn't be as BAD as this.

I'm thinking about the same thing. I'm not judging this team until Bradley comes back and see how he changes this team.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 22, 2012, 02:19:26 AM
Can't edit my post, but have to add that I do think the season is way to young to predict our standing come year's end... I still genuinely believe that we can be in the ECF again. But I also genuinely believe Green won't be 2x the factor of Wilcox, if we are to get there... and by the way he is being paid, he should be 4x. In other words, I wish I could slap him and see if it makes him choose to pee standing up for a change...
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: ItStaysYang on November 22, 2012, 02:27:55 AM
Stop complaining about them we're well aware of their performances thus far in the very beginning of this season.  You're just going to have to wait and see how they pan out or hope your ass off for a trade... otherwise stop posting the same crap.

Stop complaining? You act like everyone mutually agrees Green's bad. Like 70% of regular members here are Jeff Green apologists.... And you didn't expect these "I told you so" threads? This kid even admitted he thought JG was going to do well before the season started

get a life
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: LarBrd33 on November 22, 2012, 03:00:31 AM
Lee is shooting 46% and hasn't missed a free throw.  His defense is probably the best amongst our guards right now.  He can't make shots he isn't taking. 

Green is averaging 8 points, 3 rebounds on 44% shooting in 22 minutes.  That's fine. 

This roster doesn't make any sense.  We are paying starter minutes to a starter-caliber SF and asking him to come off the bench for 20 minutes a night as a big man.  Then we have (when Bradley comes back) 4 different shooting guards splitting what will amount to 52 minutes in the playoffs.  Meanwhile ... aside from KG, all our bigs are backups playing big minutes by default. 

Let's see how the team looks after the deadline before we freak out about Lee and Green not making more of their limited minutes.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: chambers on November 22, 2012, 03:22:30 AM
Neither has a motor, especially green.

lol Courntey Lee doesn't stop running all game. Where do some of you get this stuff?
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Bahku on November 22, 2012, 03:26:24 AM
Lee is playing well, despite having had little time to sync with this team.

I don't know why people are surprised with Green ... he's just doing what he's always done, and he should never have been added to this roster.

I have a feeling he's not long for this Celtics world.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: ACF on November 22, 2012, 04:13:24 AM
Neither has a motor, especially green.

How bout i cut your chest open, stick crap in your heart and see how you have a motor after it, sound good????

Yes Jeff Green hasnt played to his contract atm, its 10 games into the season and the kid didnt play last year, give him time. Far out!

This excuse is getting real old real fast and its 12 games into the season not 10.

Holy moly - only 70 games to go?!  ;)
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: crimson_stallion on November 22, 2012, 05:25:44 AM
Lee is playing well, despite having had little time to sync with this team.

Lee has been THE worst player on this team - it'snot even close!  Right now I would rather bench him and give that roster spot to Joseph or Melo so they can at least play some junk minutes (we have plenty of those this year, but in a bad way!).   

In what way is he playing well?

* He's been playing solid defense when he feels like it, and doing nothing on defense at others

* He's shooting worse than Rondo from three

* He's averaged 7 turnovers per 48 minutes in his last three games

* His 100% free throw shooting is irrelevant becuase he's only had two games this season (out of 12) in which he has actually ATTEMPTED  a free throw.

You guys are complaining about Jeff Green?? Compared to Lee he has been an All-Star.

Lee has had only 4 games out of 12 in which he has scored 5 points or more.

Green has only had a single game (vs Philly) in which he didn't score at least 5.

I'm giving Lee some time to work this out, but right now he is BY FAR the worst player on our active roster.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: bfrombleacher on November 22, 2012, 05:28:36 AM
Neither has a motor, especially green.

How bout i cut your chest open, stick crap in your heart and see how you have a motor after it, sound good????

Yes Jeff Green hasnt played to his contract atm, its 10 games into the season and the kid didnt play last year, give him time. Far out!

This excuse is getting real old real fast and its 12 games into the season not 10.

Holy moly - only 70 games to go?!  ;)

We're screwed.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Bahku on November 22, 2012, 06:11:30 AM
Lee is playing well, despite having had little time to sync with this team.

Lee has been THE worst player on this team - it'snot even close!  Right now I would rather bench him and give that roster spot to Joseph or Melo so they can at least play some junk minutes (we have plenty of those this year, but in a bad way!).   

In what way is he playing well?

* He's been playing solid defense when he feels like it, and doing nothing on defense at others

* He's shooting worse than Rondo from three

* He's averaged 7 turnovers per 48 minutes in his last three games

* His 100% free throw shooting is irrelevant becuase he's only had two games this season (out of 12) in which he has actually ATTEMPTED  a free throw.

You guys are complaining about Jeff Green?? Compared to Lee he has been an All-Star.

Lee has had only 4 games out of 12 in which he has scored 5 points or more.

Green has only had a single game (vs Philly) in which he didn't score at least 5.

I'm giving Lee some time to work this out, but right now he is BY FAR the worst player on our active roster.
He moves better off the ball, has been shooting .466, (JG .427), not shooting tres as well, but has almost twice as many assists, and has not missed from the free-throw line. He's far more active and effective on defense than Jeff, and yet nowhere near as gifted athletically. Green is so physically talented, always has been, and yet his attitude has never been more than lukewarm. Lee is always bringing energy into the game, and I'd rather have a hustling guy who works his butt off like Courtney any day over an under-achiever like Green, who rests on his "abilities" and yet never makes the most of them.         
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: celticslove on November 22, 2012, 06:41:31 AM
i hope danny would try and make history by sending a 9mil player to the d-league and try playing joseph for a change. im getting tired of green's un-assertiveness.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: bfrombleacher on November 22, 2012, 07:19:02 AM
i hope danny would try and make history by sending a 9mil player to the d-league and try playing joseph for a change. im getting tired of green's un-assertiveness.

And kill his confidence even further?
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 22, 2012, 07:49:16 AM
i hope danny would try and make history by sending a 9mil player to the d-league and try playing joseph for a change. im getting tired of green's un-assertiveness.

You have a point .  Green is playing is so lack-luster 99% of the time, I'd rather see Kris Joseph play at the 3 when Pierce sits.

I'm good with Wilcox and Bass and Sully.

Lee and Green would be fine , IF the Celtics had Kobe /Lebron/Durant or some guys dropping 30-40 every game.  Then that role of 8 points a game is ok.

If Pierce and Kg aren't getting their old numbers , that is why we need the younger guys to step up and score the ball.

Not going to beat many teams with a jump shooting team with no scoring or Rebounding Center on Offense.  If the Center can't score , then he has to at least control the paint 50% of the time to give his team a chance. We control the paint 5% .......KG doesn't want to play in the paint .

If the Celtics are going to Loose playing small ball , might as well play Fab to and let him learn on the job training.

Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: celticslove on November 22, 2012, 08:00:11 AM
i hope danny would try and make history by sending a 9mil player to the d-league and try playing joseph for a change. im getting tired of green's un-assertiveness.

And kill his confidence even further?

the only way he can get his confidence up is by being traded to other team and not playing doc's system. up to now it just doesn't fit with green and doc. bring him back to OKC and for sure his game will light up.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: cman88 on November 22, 2012, 08:45:58 AM
Green/Lee are too talented to continue to slump this poorly during the season...both are shooting below their career averages.


But, part of that has to be put on Doc Rivers..When a player is slumping YOU have to find them a way to get them easy buckets/their shot and get them in a Rhythm/involved

Why not call some plays specifically for green instead of watiing for him to CALL for the ball? he's still taking around 7 shots a game which is what he should get...but the quality of those shots right now is questionable
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Vermont Green on November 22, 2012, 09:20:02 AM
Garbage?  That is pretty harsh but the truth is our whole bench has been a disappointment.  It was supposed to be our strenght.  From 82games:

 Barbosa 30% 16.4 14.6 +1.8 -9.2 +2.3 -11.5 -2.6
 Green 46% 9.5 11.7 -2.2 -4.5 +1.7 -6.2 -3.5
 Lee 48% 7.6 13.6 -6.0 -4.3 +1.7 -6.0 -6.0
 Sullinger 37% 13.5 23.5 -10.0 -5.9 +1.6 -7.4 -9.1

Our bench is losing games for us.  Lee and Green should be thriving in a bench role.  I really don't understand it.  A bench of Barbosa, Lee, Green, Sullinger, and say Wilcox should be a strength. 
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: scaryjerry on November 22, 2012, 09:47:50 AM
Gotta agree...our worst rotation players
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: TripleOT on November 22, 2012, 09:58:13 AM
Lee needs to get busier offensively  He's scoring 5 points in 22 minutes, and a true impact bench player will score a point every two or so minutes, not a point every four minutes.  That's horrible.

Same thing with Green who's a hair above a point every three minutes. Maybe these guys just haven't gotten comfortable in their roles yet, but both of them have been around the league for a while. 
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: rondohondo on November 28, 2012, 10:07:34 PM
Lee 4pts , 4 rebs
green 2 pts, 0 rebs

I know both were shaken up in the game, but this is getting real old quick
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: PhoSita on November 28, 2012, 10:09:49 PM
Yeah, I'm quickly losing my patience / optimism with these two.

Terry is wearing out his welcome with  me, too.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: vinnie on November 28, 2012, 10:10:17 PM
No one close to how poorly these guys have played, given what was expected.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 28, 2012, 10:30:14 PM
Barring a miracle.... I don't see how DA keeps these two guys around. We would be BETTER off with da BIG BABY DAvis than Green.

ANd JET refuses to play defense half the time  ??? ::) :'(
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: action781 on November 28, 2012, 10:34:17 PM
Lee is getting paid less than the mid level, so he's not not that overpaid.  And at least he is providing us with something (defense).

I'm sharing the same sentiment as many of you with Jeff Green.  People need to stop making excuses for him.  He just doesn't seem to care or be trying.  I also wouldn't mind seeing Kris Joseph up here instead and also hope if Green has any trade value left, that management gets something out of it before it is gone.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Change on November 28, 2012, 10:38:27 PM
Starting Green is final option left. If he continues to struggle, I can't see Celtics keeping him.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: cman88 on November 28, 2012, 10:44:23 PM
Starting Green is final option left. If he continues to struggle, I can't see Celtics keeping him.

Teams generally dont cut ties with players after they struggle for a mere 15games...some players struggle for months..and then have months where they hit everything in sight.

I remember Ray allen looking like garbage during points when he was with the C's and times when he was red hot

Lee/Green are career double digit scorers. They'll break out of it eventually
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: vinnie on November 28, 2012, 10:47:06 PM
Starting Green is final option left. If he continues to struggle, I can't see Celtics keeping him.

Teams generally dont cut ties with players after they struggle for a mere 15games...some players struggle for months..and then have months where they hit everything in sight.

I remember Ray allen looking like garbage during points when he was with the C's and times when he was red hot

Lee/Green are career double digit scorers. They'll break out of it eventually

Jeff Green is what he is. A passive player who occasionally will have a good game. He might be the softest player in the NBA. I guess that's what $9 million will get you.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: indeedproceed on November 28, 2012, 10:52:26 PM
I thought Lee played about as well as could be hoped tonight. Especially without Rondo, where he often had to bring the ball up.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: jyyzzoel on November 29, 2012, 06:06:56 AM
yes - jeff green got his chest cut open... you know who else got their chest cut open more recently? chris wilcox. and is chris wilcox playing badly? no! he's playing like an absolute champ.  it's not the surgery that's green's problem.

it's just that he's been overrated his whole career, and now he's getting 22mins a game, and he's giving you 22 mins of what he used to give okc 35 mins a game of. same player. do the math: 15 points in 35 mins gives you about 9 points in 22 mins - exactly what he's giving us. 6 rebounds every 35 mins = 3.5 every 22 mins.

close enough. jeff's fully healthy. but i feel sorry for him, because i think this will be the year that he realises he's actually not a very good basketball player. never has been.

i truly dont mean any disrespect to jeff when i say this. i want him to do well, but he is a perpetual cavs vs celtics game 5 lebron... waiting for him to show up and he never does.

but you cant blame him. danny's the one that gave him the contract. it's danny's fault.  but i feel like there's something danny knows that we dont because danny is usually very stingy with his money. he paid rondo 11 mill. he gave bass 6 mill, when his stats per game were actually identical (actually better) that greens and green coming off of heart surgery gets 9 mill??? he gave jermaine a former all star 6 mill... he gave courtney 5 mill, and courtney played better than jeff per 36 mins...

somethings not right there. someone else on celtics blog said it once, and i think it's the only reasonable explanation:  danny knows full well that jeff isn't a good player. but he thinks that other gms think jeff is a good player... and jeffs 9 mill contract is very handy filler when trading for a guy who has a fairly big contract - say al jefferson... danny took a gamble that eventually another gm will themselves take a gamble on jeff green as part of a trade package to land another big name player.

as far as courtney lee goes, im not really that disappointed with him as of yet. he's just in a shooting slump as far as i can see. he still plays very good defense, he still runs around completely energetic, and has a drive and will to win... which unfortunately jeff does not have... and you cant really teach that stuff.

jeff is playing a little bit worse than he's always played but he's really not that far off from his peak. doubt me all you want... you guys will come around who say jeff will eventually get better. you're probably the same guys who thought avery would never be any good or sullinger shouldnt have been taken by danny... you guys will come around :)

P.S:  i want jeff to do well. i really do. i wish him the best, but im being real with you other bloggers - waiting for jeff to turn into a guy who can even average 15 points 5 rebound a game in 22 mins throughout the season is like waiting for shawn bradley to turn into shaq.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: j804 on November 29, 2012, 06:13:31 AM
Lee 4pts , 4 rebs
green 2 pts, 0 rebs

I know both were shaken up in the game, but this is getting real old quick
I can't wait till Bradley comes back and we start putting on a clinic defensively, the offense will come easy then
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: mctyson on November 29, 2012, 07:53:42 AM
I am terribly disappointed in what I have seen from Courtney Lee.  But I also shouldn't be surprised.

This is Lee's 4th team in his 5th season in the league.  If he was a reliable player, it is hard to see how so many teams would let him go so early in his career.  Maybe he will be a late bloomer, but I don't know.

I see his qualities: he's quick, athletic, he can play solid defense and is a decent scorer off the dribble.  There's something missing with him though.  I think it is either confidence or aggressiveness.

Jeff Green is simply a victim of playing behind Pierce right now - we'd get much more from him as a starter but that is not happening this year.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: celtsfan84 on November 29, 2012, 07:57:18 AM
Neither has a motor, especially green.

How bout i cut your chest open, stick crap in your heart and see how you have a motor after it, sound good????

Yes Jeff Green hasnt played to his contract atm, its 10 games into the season and the kid didnt play last year, give him time. Far out!

Jeff Green's style of play and skill level were pretty similar before the heart surgery.  I'm not buying it.

yes - jeff green got his chest cut open... you know who else got their chest cut open more recently? chris wilcox. and is chris wilcox playing badly? no! he's playing like an absolute champ.  it's not the surgery that's green's problem.

it's just that he's been overrated his whole career, and now he's getting 22mins a game, and he's giving you 22 mins of what he used to give okc 35 mins a game of.
same player. do the math: 15 points in 35 mins gives you about 9 points in 22 mins - exactly what he's giving us. 6 rebounds every 35 mins = 3.5 every 22 mins.

close enough. jeff's fully healthy. but i feel sorry for him, because i think this will be the year that he realises he's actually not a very good basketball player. never has been.

i truly dont mean any disrespect to jeff when i say this. i want him to do well, but he is a perpetual cavs vs celtics game 5 lebron... waiting for him to show up and he never does.

but you cant blame him. danny's the one that gave him the contract. it's danny's fault.  but i feel like there's something danny knows that we dont because danny is usually very stingy with his money. he paid rondo 11 mill. he gave bass 6 mill, when his stats per game were actually identical (actually better) that greens and green coming off of heart surgery gets 9 mill??? he gave jermaine a former all star 6 mill... he gave courtney 5 mill, and courtney played better than jeff per 36 mins...

somethings not right there. someone else on celtics blog said it once, and i think it's the only reasonable explanation:  danny knows full well that jeff isn't a good player. but he thinks that other gms think jeff is a good player... and jeffs 9 mill contract is very handy filler when trading for a guy who has a fairly big contract - say al jefferson... danny took a gamble that eventually another gm will themselves take a gamble on jeff green as part of a trade package to land another big name player.

as far as courtney lee goes, im not really that disappointed with him as of yet. he's just in a shooting slump as far as i can see. he still plays very good defense, he still runs around completely energetic, and has a drive and will to win... which unfortunately jeff does not have... and you cant really teach that stuff.

jeff is playing a little bit worse than he's always played but he's really not that far off from his peak. doubt me all you want... you guys will come around who say jeff will eventually get better. you're probably the same guys who thought avery would never be any good or sullinger shouldnt have been taken by danny... you guys will come around :)

P.S:  i want jeff to do well. i really do. i wish him the best, but im being real with you other bloggers - waiting for jeff to turn into a guy who can even average 15 points 5 rebound a game in 22 mins throughout the season is like waiting for shawn bradley to turn into shaq.

Exactly.  He's pretty much the same as he ever was.  I think those waiting for him to become a superstar thinking recent heart surgery is holding him back are going to be waiting until he retires.  It isn't going to happen.  Jeff Green is Jeff Green.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: jdz101 on November 29, 2012, 08:08:24 AM
Jeff green has become the new celticsblog whipping boy when the team plays a poor game.

Last year I think it was Dooling that copped it.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: pearljammer10 on November 29, 2012, 08:15:31 AM
they are under utilized so this is expected, i put the blame also on doc

I am on board with this big time. JG needs 30 to 35 minutes a game to be effective and get his rhythm. He is not going to get this on this team, especially with Pierce still around. I think Green is a great player but he is never going to be a great impact reserve.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: pearljammer10 on November 29, 2012, 08:37:57 AM
I love how last night Green played 16 minutes, was 1 for 3 with 2 points, a block...and NO OTHER STAT!

Wilcox was sick. Played 7 minutes. Was 2 for 2 with 4 points, 3 rebounds, and a block.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: slamtheking on November 29, 2012, 08:41:27 AM
A bench of Barbosa, Lee, Green, Sullinger, and say Wilcox should be a strength.
This. 
that list of players off the bench should have been what put the C's at the top of the pile in the NBA.  This team should have been able to give ample rest for the starters because each of these guys should be able to provide respectable productivity when put into the game.  The one glaring issue is there's no real shotblocker/defending big man off the bench.  Darko would have helped but that's a no-go.  Collins is just a big body that doesn't do much except be big.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Moranis on November 29, 2012, 08:42:46 AM
A bench of Barbosa, Lee, Green, Sullinger, and say Wilcox should be a strength.
This. 
that list of players off the bench should have been what put the C's at the top of the pile in the NBA.  This team should have been able to give ample rest for the starters because each of these guys should be able to provide respectable productivity when put into the game.  The one glaring issue is there's no real shotblocker/defending big man off the bench.  Darko would have helped but that's a no-go.  Collins is just a big body that doesn't do much except be big.
benches don't matter if your starting roster is sub par.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 29, 2012, 08:53:55 AM
A bench of Barbosa, Lee, Green, Sullinger, and say Wilcox should be a strength.
This. 
that list of players off the bench should have been what put the C's at the top of the pile in the NBA.  This team should have been able to give ample rest for the starters because each of these guys should be able to provide respectable productivity when put into the game.  The one glaring issue is there's no real shotblocker/defending big man off the bench.  Darko would have helped but that's a no-go.  Collins is just a big body that doesn't do much except be big.
benches don't matter if your starting roster is sub par.

yup,  when Pierce, Bass , JET all go cold at once , we are back to square one ... LIKE SIR CHARLES says ...got to have somebody who can  "HIT A SHOT" ...can't win if the crowd is shooting 1-6 , 2-8 , 2-7 , and all that...the team digs itself a hole and game over.

If the starters aren'r all scoring 15 points , then who is gonna score the rest. It starts with the starters , they have to put up the numbers and the bench finishes the deal., with about half the starters points.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Chris on November 29, 2012, 09:05:09 AM
I think Lee has been exactly what they paid for.  He just hasn't been more than that.  He is a feisty defender and competitor, who can finish on the break, and occasionally give you something on offense.

Now, he needs to start hitting the three pointers, but I think those will start falling eventually, but otherwise, he has been good, and pretty much what you would expect from an MLE player...especially one who plays every day and is still young (older and injury prone guys, will give you more when they are on the court, but aren't as reliable).

But yeah, Green has been a huge disappointment.  I think Doc needs to work harder to force the issue offensively with both Green and Terry.  They both need more plays run for them, because their only value is on offense, and it doesn't do much good having them sit on the weakside watching the play.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: celtsfan84 on November 29, 2012, 09:14:13 AM
Jeff green has become the new celticsblog whipping boy when the team plays a poor game.

Last year I think it was Dooling that copped it.

Except that a league minimum whipping boy is a lot more cost effective than a $9 million whipping boy.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 29, 2012, 10:08:17 AM
Jeff green has become the new celticsblog whipping boy when the team plays a poor game.

Last year I think it was Dooling that copped it.

Except that a league minimum whipping boy is a lot more cost effective than a $9 million whipping boy.

"OUTLAW" Jeff Green has held up the Celtics Stage Coach and ran off with 36 million .

he and his agent flat out pulled the wool over Danny's eyes . 

Looking at Green is like looking a Ferrari . He is a awesome physical specimen and you'd think he could play like LBJ.  Danny was sucked in bad and bought the Ferrari body with NO ENGINE.... and NOW it doesn't start ...with NOTHING under the hood !!  What a JOKE.

Celtics are stuck with a  GARAGE QUEEN .     

Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: MBunge on November 29, 2012, 10:20:57 AM
In case anyone hasn't noticed, Jason Terry is only playing a bit better than Lee and Green.  And it's not like we haven't seen other players have the same sort of struggles as Lee and Green when they get to the Celtics.

While the individual players obviously bear some responsibility, when you see the same problems over and over with different people, then what you've got is a systemic problem.  Doc runs an overly complicated offense and an overly complicated defense.  When they work, they look great.  But the offense is basically designed to get guys open jump shots off set plays.  When they're not hitting those shots, it implodes.  The play-calling, either by Doc or Rondo, also gets totally fixated at times on getting certain guys the ball in certain situations, rather than a more free-flowing offense where everybody's moving and anyone can take the shot.  The defense utilizes so much switching and rotating that guys are constantly being put in poor rebounding position.

And in particular...why in the world are we running the same exact plays for JET that we ran for Ray?  Shouldn't those plays have been retired, since their inability to work has been one of the offense's biggest problems the last few years?

Mike
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: celts55 on November 29, 2012, 11:09:44 AM
So I'm to lazy to read all 5 pages, so sorry if this as already been said. Green who I thought would be pretty good hasn't been. Not good at all. I'll leave him at that.
I disagree about Lee however. I think he's been playing good D, maybe the best of any guard on the Celtics. He's pretty quick and has been taking the ball to the hole well. Also his jump shot hasn't been bad. The only real complaint with him is he hasn't been hitting his 3's. But Terry hasn't been tearing it up either and doesn't bring the D that Lee does.
Personally I would like to see the Celtics go back to starting Lee and bringing JT off the bench. I think they could use Lee's defense against starters and maybe Terry will do better of the beanch where he's accustomed to.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: kozlodoev on November 29, 2012, 11:17:20 AM
In case anyone hasn't noticed, Jason Terry is only playing a bit better than Lee and Green.  And it's not like we haven't seen other players have the same sort of struggles as Lee and Green when they get to the Celtics.
He's shooting 50% from the field and 40% from three-point range while playing somewhat limited minutes. That's better than "a bit".
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: MBunge on November 29, 2012, 11:37:19 AM
In case anyone hasn't noticed, Jason Terry is only playing a bit better than Lee and Green.  And it's not like we haven't seen other players have the same sort of struggles as Lee and Green when they get to the Celtics.
He's shooting 50% from the field and 40% from three-point range while playing somewhat limited minutes. That's better than "a bit".

And Courtney Lee is actually shooting a career high from the field, even with his struggles from 3.  Terry, however, has seen his rebounds, assists and scoring all fall substantially, even though he's only playing about 4 minutes less per game than last year in Dallas.  And I don't think anyone can say JET's defense is better than Lee's or Green's.

Mike
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: xmuscularghandix on November 29, 2012, 12:28:46 PM
I have to agree with this from what we've seen so far. Both of these players are starters in the league and have shown that they should be capable of great things here in Boston. I think that the recent comments about "not getting what it means to be a Celtic" apply to the 2 of them among others.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: pearljammer10 on November 29, 2012, 12:34:25 PM
In case anyone hasn't noticed, Jason Terry is only playing a bit better than Lee and Green.  And it's not like we haven't seen other players have the same sort of struggles as Lee and Green when they get to the Celtics.
He's shooting 50% from the field and 40% from three-point range while playing somewhat limited minutes. That's better than "a bit".

Gotta conquer on this one. Terry hasnt been a problem in my mind at all. Defense could use some help but thats who he is. On the offensive end, and overall really, nothing about Terry has worried me. He also shows at least a little bit of excitement and attitude on the court as well.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Yogi on November 29, 2012, 01:12:19 PM
   Other than shooting 3 pointers Lee has actually been playing very well.  Particularly his effort on rebounding and 50/50 balls stand out along with solid defense and excellent mid range shooting.
   Jeff Green has been very disappointing so far, but he still haven't found any rhythm.  Hopefully he'll get comfortable sooner than later. 
   The Celtics are only as good as their team defense.  Right now our team defense is terrible.  It's not on any one player.  Bradley will only help a little when he comes back.  It's about trust and effort right now.  Once we get back to playing Celtics defense we will be a dominant team.  Until then there is no point in blaming any individual players. 
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: dysgenic on November 30, 2012, 10:21:36 AM
Green was a stiff before he got here, he is a stiff now, and he will be a stiff after he leaves.  Trade him to a chump team where there is no pressure and he'll probably avg 15-17ppg, be a good offensive player, and a stiff in all other ways.  Keep him here and it's likely to get even worse.

Lee, on the other hand, I like.  Good defensive player.  Offensively his shots need to come from 15 feet and in, and he'll be fine.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: OsirusCeltics on November 30, 2012, 10:49:58 AM
You got it wrong OP

Lee and Bass are millions of dollars of garbage

Lee is redundant. Celtics already have Barbosa and Bradley who are slashing guards. And Bradley is better defensively also. And Lee is a below average shooter. People forget that

Bass is a jump shooting big man. That should be self explanitory. Celtics already have KG, they don't need another one. They need to trade Bass for a physical big man who is a rebounder

Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: kozlodoev on November 30, 2012, 10:52:12 AM
Lee is redundant. Celtics already have Barbosa and Bradley who are slashing guards. And Bradley is better defensively also. And Lee is a below average shooter. People forget that
You missed the memo where the it said basketball is played on both ends of the floor?

Lee is our only SG who has a semblance of defensive capability. He's also our only SG taller than 6'3 (healthy or injured). In many ways, he's indispensable to the team at this point.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: OsirusCeltics on November 30, 2012, 10:55:03 AM
Lee is redundant. Celtics already have Barbosa and Bradley who are slashing guards. And Bradley is better defensively also. And Lee is a below average shooter. People forget that
You missed the memo where the it said basketball is played on both ends of the floor?

Lee is our only SG who has a semblance of defensive capability. He's also our only SG taller than 6'3 (healthy or injured). In many ways, he's indispensable to the team at this point.

I think its the height that is making people want to keep him. If that is his only good attribute, then Celtics should trade him

His shooting is below par, and his defense isn't all that good. Pierce at 35 is a better defender than him
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 30, 2012, 03:10:56 PM
Its ridiculous people would call jeff green garbage after 10 games. the kid just got back from surgery and is playing very well considering that. show me another post surgery guy who could provide the dunk of the year like jeff.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: celtsfan84 on November 30, 2012, 03:12:44 PM
Its ridiculous people would call jeff green garbage after 10 games. the kid just got back from surgery and is playing very well considering that. show me another post surgery guy who could provide the dunk of the year like jeff.

That dunk counted for two points.  One dunk does not a season make.  He'll have plenty of time and plenty of chances (and plenty of money).  Let's hope he has more consistent performance than one dunk might indicate.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: kozlodoev on November 30, 2012, 03:17:19 PM
Lee is redundant. Celtics already have Barbosa and Bradley who are slashing guards. And Bradley is better defensively also. And Lee is a below average shooter. People forget that
You missed the memo where the it said basketball is played on both ends of the floor?

Lee is our only SG who has a semblance of defensive capability. He's also our only SG taller than 6'3 (healthy or injured). In many ways, he's indispensable to the team at this point.

I think its the height that is making people want to keep him. If that is his only good attribute, then Celtics should trade him

His shooting is below par, and his defense isn't all that good. Pierce at 35 is a better defender than him
Nope, he isn't. As a matter of fact, Lee is giving up less PER at both SG and SF than Pierce (for whatever this measure is worth).

Also, he's quite capable of making three-pointers, despite his recent cold streak.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 30, 2012, 03:28:12 PM
Its ridiculous people would call jeff green garbage after 10 games. the kid just got back from surgery and is playing very well considering that. show me another post surgery guy who could provide the dunk of the year like jeff.

That dunk counted for two points.  One dunk does not a season make.  He'll have plenty of time and plenty of chances (and plenty of money).  Let's hope he has more consistent performance than one dunk might indicate.

It shows he has great potential to lead the team
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: celtsfan84 on November 30, 2012, 03:30:36 PM
Its ridiculous people would call jeff green garbage after 10 games. the kid just got back from surgery and is playing very well considering that. show me another post surgery guy who could provide the dunk of the year like jeff.

That dunk counted for two points.  One dunk does not a season make.  He'll have plenty of time and plenty of chances (and plenty of money).  Let's hope he has more consistent performance than one dunk might indicate.

It shows he has great potential to lead the team

One dunk does not show potential to lead a team.  Not to pick on Gerald Green, as I like Gerald, but if dunks defined franchise players, Gerald would have multiple rings.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 30, 2012, 03:32:21 PM
Jeff green has become the new celticsblog whipping boy when the team plays a poor game.

Last year I think it was Dooling that copped it.

I dont get why. Jeff has been playing as the 4th best player on this team and if not for the minutes easily the 3rd best. seems like besides jdz and myself fans just want to pay attention to stats. jeff green is a legitamate talent and threat on both sides of the ball.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: ScottHow on November 30, 2012, 03:34:43 PM
I didn't understand the contract then, and I don't understand it now. What exactly did Green do to deserve that deal?

Half season of crappy play with a full season of heart surgery. Heck I can play turrrrible for half a season and miss the next. Can I get 40 mil?
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 30, 2012, 03:36:33 PM
I didn't understand the contract then, and I don't understand it now. What exactly did Green do to deserve that deal?

Half season of crappy play with a full season of heart surgery. Heck I can play turrrrible for half a season and miss the next. Can I get 40 mil?

He has potential to be a lethal offesive option like james worthy. im sick of kids who just read the box score over watching games. if you watched the games you would see jeffs potential.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: jowwwman on November 30, 2012, 03:44:33 PM
I didn't understand the contract then, and I don't understand it now. What exactly did Green do to deserve that deal?

Half season of crappy play with a full season of heart surgery. Heck I can play turrrrible for half a season and miss the next. Can I get 40 mil?

He has potential to be a lethal offesive option like james worthy. im sick of kids who just read the box score over watching games. if you watched the games you would see jeffs potential.

Are you a Celtics fan or Green only fan? It seems you seem to come on just to make ridiculous claims about Jeff Green's talent.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: celtsfan84 on November 30, 2012, 03:48:17 PM
I didn't understand the contract then, and I don't understand it now. What exactly did Green do to deserve that deal?

Half season of crappy play with a full season of heart surgery. Heck I can play turrrrible for half a season and miss the next. Can I get 40 mil?

He has potential to be a lethal offesive option like james worthy. im sick of kids who just read the box score over watching games. if you watched the games you would see jeffs potential.

James Worthy is rolling over in his grave . . .

(I know Worthy isn't dead, Barkley uses that phrase often for retired basketball players).
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 30, 2012, 03:51:14 PM
I didn't understand the contract then, and I don't understand it now. What exactly did Green do to deserve that deal?

Half season of crappy play with a full season of heart surgery. Heck I can play turrrrible for half a season and miss the next. Can I get 40 mil?

He has potential to be a lethal offesive option like james worthy. im sick of kids who just read the box score over watching games. if you watched the games you would see jeffs potential.

James Worthy is rolling over in his grave . . .

(I know Worthy isn't dead, Barkley uses that phrase often for retired basketball players).

you dont see jeff being at least as good as worthy in jeffs prime? worthy was 3rd option on lakers in a championship team. jeff was the 3rd best on the thunder with a ballhog in westbrook back on the thunder team. plus the league is more stacked now than before.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: celtsfan84 on November 30, 2012, 03:53:40 PM
I didn't understand the contract then, and I don't understand it now. What exactly did Green do to deserve that deal?

Half season of crappy play with a full season of heart surgery. Heck I can play turrrrible for half a season and miss the next. Can I get 40 mil?

He has potential to be a lethal offesive option like james worthy. im sick of kids who just read the box score over watching games. if you watched the games you would see jeffs potential.

James Worthy is rolling over in his grave . . .

(I know Worthy isn't dead, Barkley uses that phrase often for retired basketball players).

you dont see jeff being at least as good as worthy in jeffs prime? worthy was 3rd option on lakers in a championship team. jeff was the 3rd best on the thunder with a ballhog in westbrook back on the thunder team. plus the league is more stacked now than before.

That Thunder team was a below .500 team when Jeff Green was there.

The Showtime Lakers are more stacked than any team in the league now.  They'd roll through Miami, Boston, OKC, Los Angeles, San Antonio, etc...
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on November 30, 2012, 03:55:53 PM
Jeff green has become the new celticsblog whipping boy when the team plays a poor game.

Last year I think it was Dooling that copped it.

I dont get why. Jeff has been playing as the 4th best player on this team and if not for the minutes easily the 3rd best. seems like besides jdz and myself fans just want to pay attention to stats. jeff green is a legitamate talent and threat on both sides of the ball.

LMBO, no... he is currently the 5th best (I might put Sully ahead to, so 6th?), Jet is playing better (just needs more shots but Doc seems to want him in that decoy role but it's not about that). Jeff has been 4th best on some nights (maybe 3rd once or twice) but not 4th overall.

Our opinions differ (across the fans not just me and you), but I know we all want him to play well for the team. We can all agree, GO CELTICS!!!!
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: OttawaCeltic on November 30, 2012, 05:16:44 PM
I was such a Jeff Green fan as soon as he came to Beantown for the Perk trade, and may I say I'm greatly disappointed. I was a semi Seatle fan when Green had his career year of 16ppg and it looks like he's become a bust for the Celtics.

If you're Jeff and reading this,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvM3YwmDfwE
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: vinnie on November 30, 2012, 05:25:45 PM
Every time I read someone comparing Jeff Green to James Worthy it almost makes me want to cry.  :'(
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: moiso on November 30, 2012, 05:35:42 PM
I didn't understand the contract then, and I don't understand it now. What exactly did Green do to deserve that deal?

Half season of crappy play with a full season of heart surgery. Heck I can play turrrrible for half a season and miss the next. Can I get 40 mil?

He has potential to be a lethal offesive option like james worthy. im sick of kids who just read the box score over watching games. if you watched the games you would see jeffs potential.

Are you a Celtics fan or Green only fan? It seems you seem to come on just to make ridiculous claims about Jeff Green's talent.
This.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 30, 2012, 06:00:14 PM
James Worth is a Hall of Famer, Jeff Green won't be..
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 30, 2012, 06:07:33 PM
I watch Jeff Green closely every time he is on the court, mostly because I am pulling for him to do well.  I get an extra jolt of glad when he scores.  But it's hard to believe that anyone watching him play this year can be happy with the overall product.  Forget about the contract (I believe the contract is only mildly relevant), he has been a non-factor in all but 3 games. And it's not just poor stats -- he isn't providing 'intangibles' either in my opinion.

He is at the disappointing stage right now, NOT at the bust stage.  Anyone who already 'knows' he is a bust is concluding too soon.  There is still a component of role confusion  that seems to be present which tells me it's possible that this may be solvable. 

I wouldn't be shocked if the bust-sayers are correct in the long run but it is definitely too early to conclude.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: alajet on November 30, 2012, 06:10:54 PM
I watch Jeff Green closely every time he is on the court, mostly because I am pulling for him to do well.  I get an extra jolt of glad when he scores.  But it's hard to believe that anyone watching him play this year can be happy with the overall product.  Forget about the contract (I believe the contract is only mildly relevant), he has been a non-factor in all but 3 games. And it's not just poor stats -- he isn't providing 'intangibles' either in my opinion.

He is at the disappointing stage right now, NOT at the bust stage.  Anyone who already 'knows' he is a bust is concluding too soon.  There is still a component of role confusion  that seems to be present which tells me it's possible that this may be solvable. 

I wouldn't be shocked if the bust-sayers are correct in the long run but it is definitely too early to conclude.

Most sensible thing I have read about Jeff Green so far in this forum.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: nickagneta on November 30, 2012, 07:21:22 PM
I watch Jeff Green closely every time he is on the court, mostly because I am pulling for him to do well.  I get an extra jolt of glad when he scores.  But it's hard to believe that anyone watching him play this year can be happy with the overall product.  Forget about the contract (I believe the contract is only mildly relevant), he has been a non-factor in all but 3 games. And it's not just poor stats -- he isn't providing 'intangibles' either in my opinion.

He is at the disappointing stage right now, NOT at the bust stage.  Anyone who already 'knows' he is a bust is concluding too soon.  There is still a component of role confusion  that seems to be present which tells me it's possible that this may be solvable. 

I wouldn't be shocked if the bust-sayers are correct in the long run but it is definitely too early to conclude.
I can't help but think that Green's contract IS part of the problem. He's now getting paid handsomely. He has 4 years of well above average pay for himself. That can breed satisfaction and passiveness(laziness) in some athletes. Is it any coincidence that word was that Green was one of the best in the gym during the summer workouts when he didn't have a contract but as soon as he gets his big pay day, he reverts back to a player that is as passive or even more so than he ever was in OKC?

His lack of aggression and the fall off in this area on both sides of the ball since preseason is alarming. Could it be the big money that is now coming in has made him....lazy?
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: moiso on November 30, 2012, 07:38:01 PM
I watch Jeff Green closely every time he is on the court, mostly because I am pulling for him to do well.  I get an extra jolt of glad when he scores.  But it's hard to believe that anyone watching him play this year can be happy with the overall product.  Forget about the contract (I believe the contract is only mildly relevant), he has been a non-factor in all but 3 games. And it's not just poor stats -- he isn't providing 'intangibles' either in my opinion.

He is at the disappointing stage right now, NOT at the bust stage.  Anyone who already 'knows' he is a bust is concluding too soon.  There is still a component of role confusion  that seems to be present which tells me it's possible that this may be solvable. 

I wouldn't be shocked if the bust-sayers are correct in the long run but it is definitely too early to conclude.
I can't help but think that Green's contract IS part of the problem. He's now getting paid handsomely. He has 4 years of well above average pay for himself. That can breed satisfaction and passiveness(laziness) in some athletes. Is it any coincidence that word was that Green was one of the best in the gym during the summer workouts when he didn't have a contract but as soon as he gets his big pay day, he reverts back to a player that is as passive or even more so than he ever was in OKC?

His lack of aggression and the fall off in this area on both sides of the ball since preseason is alarming. Could it be the big money that is now coming in has made him....lazy?
He has always lacked a motor.  He looks the same as he always has to me.  Maybe Green was able to thrive and be confident in the summer because there isn't as much pressure and the competition is worse.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Who on November 30, 2012, 07:39:14 PM
I watch Jeff Green closely every time he is on the court, mostly because I am pulling for him to do well.  I get an extra jolt of glad when he scores.  But it's hard to believe that anyone watching him play this year can be happy with the overall product.  Forget about the contract (I believe the contract is only mildly relevant), he has been a non-factor in all but 3 games. And it's not just poor stats -- he isn't providing 'intangibles' either in my opinion.

He is at the disappointing stage right now, NOT at the bust stage.  Anyone who already 'knows' he is a bust is concluding too soon.  There is still a component of role confusion  that seems to be present which tells me it's possible that this may be solvable. 

I wouldn't be shocked if the bust-sayers are correct in the long run but it is definitely too early to conclude.
I can't help but think that Green's contract IS part of the problem. He's now getting paid handsomely. He has 4 years of well above average pay for himself. That can breed satisfaction and passiveness(laziness) in some athletes. Is it any coincidence that word was that Green was one of the best in the gym during the summer workouts when he didn't have a contract but as soon as he gets his big pay day, he reverts back to a player that is as passive or even more so than he ever was in OKC?

His lack of aggression and the fall off in this area on both sides of the ball since preseason is alarming. Could it be the big money that is now coming in has made him....lazy?
He has always lacked a motor.  He looks the same as he always has to me.  Maybe Green was able to thrive and be confident in the summer because there isn't as much pressure and the competition is worse.
Me too
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: jaketwice on November 30, 2012, 07:52:43 PM
Jeff Green needs to play in a different system. The fact that Rondo is not a shooter means that, practically, the Celtics are a team where everyone plays a role. Rondo passes to the spot up shooters, or to the Centers, drives the lane, or Pierce bails out the offense. ...that's the whole game plan.

Green does not play a "role." He needs to get in where he fits in: in OKC, for a while, Durant was the Shooting guard! Green would be great covering Sean Marion, or driving the Lane with a big center who could make up for an offensive mistake.

I'm not dissing our offense, but it's just not right for Green.

...our offense is PERFECT for Lee, however (who is shooting 24% from three so far this season, instead of his usual 40%). He is just not hitting shots. Maybe he hates it here? Maybe Doc is just being **** to him? I don't know, but I think a change of scenery might do him good.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 30, 2012, 08:13:22 PM
I watch Jeff Green closely every time he is on the court, mostly because I am pulling for him to do well.  I get an extra jolt of glad when he scores.  But it's hard to believe that anyone watching him play this year can be happy with the overall product.  Forget about the contract (I believe the contract is only mildly relevant), he has been a non-factor in all but 3 games. And it's not just poor stats -- he isn't providing 'intangibles' either in my opinion.

He is at the disappointing stage right now, NOT at the bust stage.  Anyone who already 'knows' he is a bust is concluding too soon.  There is still a component of role confusion  that seems to be present which tells me it's possible that this may be solvable. 

I wouldn't be shocked if the bust-sayers are correct in the long run but it is definitely too early to conclude.
I can't help but think that Green's contract IS part of the problem. He's now getting paid handsomely. He has 4 years of well above average pay for himself. That can breed satisfaction and passiveness(laziness) in some athletes. Is it any coincidence that word was that Green was one of the best in the gym during the summer workouts when he didn't have a contract but as soon as he gets his big pay day, he reverts back to a player that is as passive or even more so than he ever was in OKC?

His lack of aggression and the fall off in this area on both sides of the ball since preseason is alarming. Could it be the big money that is now coming in has made him....lazy?

I hadn't thought of the contract being bad in the way you suggest.  C's couldn't have use the $$ on anyone else and I think the contract can be traded along with young talent. May be a valuable contract for making a trade work.  Of course it becomes less valuable the worse he plays. 

But I hadn't thought of it creating a motivational problem.  Hard to say, but you present a compelling case.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: tonyto3690 on November 30, 2012, 08:25:29 PM
We don't post him up enough.  He just isnt' getting enough reps with Pierce/KG/Rondo+Shooters to establish a rhythm.  He's not a shooter.

Give him those fast break dunks and 5-10 post opportunities a game and we'll see where he stands.

He also needs to attack the rebounds more.  Bass isn't particularly adept at rebounding but he attacks the ball in the air and is aggressive and plays angry even though he is a lot like Green in personality.

Green needs that KG fire burned into him and he'll be fine.  Just have KG punch him in the stomach until he stands up for himself lol.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 30, 2012, 09:57:51 PM
Green has 19 points tonight! what now celtics fans? best player on the team! time to eat crow haters!! wooo jeff!
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: jimmehx on November 30, 2012, 09:58:16 PM
i hope today's game makes you eat a portion of your words. perhaps the greens or the side.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 30, 2012, 10:01:15 PM
i hope today's game makes you eat a portion of your words. perhaps the greens or the side.

EAT IT GREEN HATERS! He is an all star and great personality after surgery unlike rondo. Green will lead us to the finals just like he did in his OKC days.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: xmuscularghandix on November 30, 2012, 10:04:29 PM
Now i'm rethinking everything... BACK TO MY OLD THEORY!

PG's with 10+ assists are overrated if you have a TEAM of guys who can pass and make plays, it seems like Rondo holding the ball and running a two man game for the entire shot clock isn't that great for the team... Courtney Lee and Green aren't guys who just sit outside and wait for it to get kicked out, these guys need to feel the ball and have a chance to create their own shots.

I want this team running offense through KG/Sullinger at the elbows and people cutting/setting screens for eachother. Rondo is a great passer and will still make great passes in any offense... i'd like to see that thing move around WAY more and let it naturally go to whoever is taking advantage of his matchup.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 30, 2012, 10:07:41 PM
Now i'm rethinking everything... BACK TO MY OLD THEORY!

PG's with 10+ assists are overrated if you have a TEAM of guys who can pass and make plays, it seems like Rondo holding the ball and running a two man game for the entire shot clock isn't that great for the team... Courtney Lee and Green aren't guys who just sit outside and wait for it to get kicked out, these guys need to feel the ball and have a chance to create their own shots.

I want this team running offense through KG/Sullinger at the elbows and people cutting/setting screens for eachother. Rondo is a great passer and will still make great passes in any offense... i'd like to see that thing move around WAY more and let it naturally go to whoever is taking advantage of his matchup.

Trade rondo for a legitamate big for the future and build around green. i dare anyone who watched today's game disagree that the celts are not better without rondo and with green in charge
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on November 30, 2012, 10:11:51 PM
i hope today's game makes you eat a portion of your words. perhaps the greens or the side.

EAT IT GREEN HATERS! He is an all star and great personality after surgery unlike rondo. Green will lead us to the finals just like he did in his OKC days.


I'm not going to argue whether Green is good or not because it's obvious that he is.

Thing is, this game proves nothing b/c he has done this all season, one great game to every 4 mediocre ones.

When he gets more consistent then you guys can call for crow eating (not for me b/c I have always liked him). But unlike you guys I can admit he has been terrible more games than not.

I was going hard for Green over the off-season but I am not getting my hopes up again until he can have 2 back to back good games and then consistently good ones. He has that chance tomorrow...
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Celtics18 on November 30, 2012, 10:12:58 PM
That was great to see out of Jeff tonight.  Here's hoping he can keep it up. 
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 30, 2012, 10:13:34 PM
i hope today's game makes you eat a portion of your words. perhaps the greens or the side.

EAT IT GREEN HATERS! He is an all star and great personality after surgery unlike rondo. Green will lead us to the finals just like he did in his OKC days.


I'm not going to argue whether Green is good or not because it's obvious that he is.

Thing is, this game proves nothing b/c he has done this all season, one great game to every 4 mediocre ones.

When he gets more consistent then you guys can call for crow eating (not for me b/c I have always liked him). But unlike you guys I can admit he has been terrible more games than not.

I was going hard for Green over the off-season but I am not getting my hopes up again until he can have 2 back to back good games and then consistently good ones. He has that chance tomorrow...

even lebron james doesnt have back to back good games all the time. pau gasol has been playing bad for the lakers and he gets paid twice as much as jeff. jeff is a a steal at 8 million per year.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 30, 2012, 10:15:05 PM
im so mad that green haters come on every time celtics lose when its not even his fault but when he has 19 points and leads them to a win NO ONE can admit he is a great player. NOT ONE.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: jaketwice on November 30, 2012, 10:15:34 PM
Jeff Green needs to play in a different system. The fact that Rondo is not a shooter means that, practically, the Celtics are a team where everyone plays a role. Rondo passes to the spot up shooters, or to the Centers, drives the lane, or Pierce bails out the offense. ...that's the whole game plan.

Green does not play a "role." He needs to get in where he fits in: in OKC, for a while, Durant was the Shooting guard! Green would be great covering Sean Marion, or driving the Lane with a big center who could make up for an offensive mistake.

I'm not dissing our offense, but it's just not right for Green.

...our offense is PERFECT for Lee, however (who is shooting 24% from three so far this season, instead of his usual 40%). He is just not hitting shots. Maybe he hates it here? Maybe Doc is just being **** to him? I don't know, but I think a change of scenery might do him good.

I'd like to thank Jeff Green for making me look like a genius tonight.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: European NBA fan on November 30, 2012, 10:16:25 PM
i hope today's game makes you eat a portion of your words. perhaps the greens or the side.

EAT IT GREEN HATERS! He is an all star and great personality after surgery unlike rondo. Green will lead us to the finals just like he did in his OKC days.

This is sarcasm right? Never sure on these boards... Otherwise: Green has never been an all star or anywhere near that. He does seem to have a nice personality, but I have a feeling that Rondo is a pretty good guy, too, when he is out of the limelight. Green has never led OKC anywhere, and hasn't been to any finals. And he is not expected to lead this team either.

If he play the same kind of game against a tougher team than the Blazers, and can be consistent about it, he will be a 6th MOY candidate for sure.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on November 30, 2012, 10:16:33 PM
im so mad that green haters come on every time celtics lose when its not even his fault but when he has 19 points and leads them to a win NO ONE can admit he is a great player. NOT ONE.

I very much like Green, but your exaggerated Green blind love is going quite overboard, and quite nonsensical.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: mrpoundforpound on November 30, 2012, 10:20:10 PM
the game today proves it is 100 percent docs fault for not utilizing jeff green correctly. what can jeff do off the bench in 22 minutes a game? no one can put up good numbers in 22 minutes. stop checking the box scores kids
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: CelticsFan9 on November 30, 2012, 10:20:43 PM
I only watched the 4th quarter, but I liked what I saw from Jeff.  Could someone (other than Mrs. Green) please give me a recap of his play the first three quarters?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Change on November 30, 2012, 10:24:19 PM
Went back to see what I posted in this thread.

Starting Green is final option left. If he continues to struggle, I can't see Celtics keeping him.

I'd have to say (http://cdn.overclock.net/1/11/11b2ed72_obama-not-bad.jpeg) compared to other responses.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Atzar on November 30, 2012, 10:26:33 PM
I only watched the 4th quarter, but I liked what I saw from Jeff.  Could someone (other than Mrs. Green) please give me a recap of his play the first three quarters?  Thanks!

Aggressive, attacking the basket, finishing at the rim.  Once that got going, he started hitting some shots from deep.

He looked very good.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: CelticsFan9 on November 30, 2012, 10:28:59 PM
I only watched the 4th quarter, but I liked what I saw from Jeff.  Could someone (other than Mrs. Green) please give me a recap of his play the first three quarters?  Thanks!

Aggressive, attacking the basket, finishing at the rim.  Once that got going, he started hitting some shots from deep.

He looked very good.

TP.

Was his aggression a result of him demanding the ball more or the team putting him in the position to make plays?
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 30, 2012, 10:34:46 PM
I only watched the 4th quarter, but I liked what I saw from Jeff.  Could someone (other than Mrs. Green) please give me a recap of his play the first three quarters?  Thanks!

Aggressive, attacking the basket, finishing at the rim.  Once that got going, he started hitting some shots from deep.

He looked very good.

TP.

Was his aggression a result of him demanding the ball more or the team putting him in the position to make plays?

It's not so much that he demanded the ball, but he put himself in positions to score at times and took an aggressive approach for once.  The box score doesn't tell the story, he was forced to chuck up a few shots at the end of the shot clock and he took two half-court 3 point shots to end quarters.  He was really 6-9, 2-2 from 3, and played an incredibly efficient game overall.  Played good D too.  Easily his best game, better even than the one he played against OKC.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: CelticsFan9 on November 30, 2012, 10:37:01 PM
I only watched the 4th quarter, but I liked what I saw from Jeff.  Could someone (other than Mrs. Green) please give me a recap of his play the first three quarters?  Thanks!

Aggressive, attacking the basket, finishing at the rim.  Once that got going, he started hitting some shots from deep.

He looked very good.

TP.

Was his aggression a result of him demanding the ball more or the team putting him in the position to make plays?

It's not so much that he demanded the ball, but he put himself in positions to score at times and took an aggressive approach for once.  The box score doesn't tell the story, he was forced to chuck up a few shots at the end of the shot clock and he took two half-court 3 point shots to end quarters.  He was really 6-9, 2-2 from 3, and played an incredibly efficient game overall.  Played good D too.  Easily his best game, better even than the one he played against OKC.

TP.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on November 30, 2012, 10:45:38 PM
i hope today's game makes you eat a portion of your words. perhaps the greens or the side.

EAT IT GREEN HATERS! He is an all star and great personality after surgery unlike rondo. Green will lead us to the finals just like he did in his OKC days.
(http://gifninja.com/animatedgifs/110841/crunchy-nut.gif)


u dont believe dat OKC neva went to da finals wit Green they aint even get out da 1st round wit dude ima fan of dude but u out chea reachin
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on November 30, 2012, 10:49:56 PM
i hope today's game makes you eat a portion of your words. perhaps the greens or the side.

EAT IT GREEN HATERS! He is an all star and great personality after surgery unlike rondo. Green will lead us to the finals just like he did in his OKC days.


I'm not going to argue whether Green is good or not because it's obvious that he is.

Thing is, this game proves nothing b/c he has done this all season, one great game to every 4 mediocre ones.

When he gets more consistent then you guys can call for crow eating (not for me b/c I have always liked him). But unlike you guys I can admit he has been terrible more games than not.

I was going hard for Green over the off-season but I am not getting my hopes up again until he can have 2 back to back good games and then consistently good ones. He has that chance tomorrow...

even lebron james doesnt have back to back good games all the time. pau gasol has been playing bad for the lakers and he gets paid twice as much as jeff. jeff is a a steal at 8 million per year.

LOL just stop! Don't ever compare James and Green in that way and I hate Broid. James plays good in most games he plays in, he may not play great in all games (no one can) but he definitely plays good (at least) in the great majority of the games he plays in! I never said Jeff had to have ALL great games or even good games! CONSISTENCY is what I'm looking for! Yes, Pau hasn't played up to standards but it's not like he is JJJ out there either!

Pau Gasol:
PPG
    13.1
RPG
    9.10
APG
    3.3
EFF
    + 17.60

Not great, but he aint no scrub out there either!
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: BballTim on November 30, 2012, 10:56:59 PM
im so mad that green haters come on every time celtics lose when its not even his fault but when he has 19 points and leads them to a win NO ONE can admit he is a great player. NOT ONE.

I very much like Green, but your exaggerated Green blind love is going quite overboard, and quite nonsensical.

  Gotta admire the enthusiasm though. He reminds me of a Gerald Green fan that used to be here, I think he was high5forlife or something like that.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 30, 2012, 11:01:21 PM
Green seems to play well against the SOFT defense West coast teams....

Jeff needs to tuff n up , when playin the East coast defense minded teams....

I think he is used to the fast paced soft defense West coast basketball.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: CelticsFan9 on November 30, 2012, 11:39:12 PM
I don't want to get too far off-topic, but I found it interesting that mrpoundforpound's first comment on Celticsblog's forums was "Jeff Green is horrible."

I pose two questions:

Did you have a change of heart about Green since then and now, or are you just trolling?

If you are an actual Jeff Green fan, please try to accept that some people here don't like Green.  Personally, I dislike Josh Smith, but tons of threads are made about trades for him.  I ignore those threads.  When someone bashes Green, just ignore it.  Even if the poster just says something like, "Jeff sucks" and that's it, just leave it alone.  Your statements that Green is better than Rondo, can be like the Reignman, and is the next James Worthy are a little over-the-top.  This is not an attack on you; I am glad you are a Green fan, as I am.  I just think you need to learn how to accept others' opinions, because this is a public forum, where people are allowed to express their thoughts.  Could you please try?

Here's a TP, and cheers to a great game by Jeff and the C's!
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: indeedproceed on December 01, 2012, 12:13:27 AM
A heads up, an official one, please stop talking about members in such a direct fashion. I appreciate that it's not malicious necessarily, but it's not all good natured ribbing either. rule is, you don't call out other posters. Talk like this makes it personal, turns to flame wars.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: vinnie on December 01, 2012, 01:27:52 AM
Extremely enthused about Green's game tonight, but keeping it totally in perspective. The Celts have played 16 games, and in my opinion, Green has played 4 good games. If he starts producing consistent performances, then maybe he has turned the corner. If he doesn't, it will be the same old Jeff Green. He was fun to watch tonight.
Title: Re: Lee and Green = $60 mil of garbage
Post by: jyyzzoel on December 01, 2012, 06:09:32 AM
i will stand by what i said before:  jeff green is mediocre.  he had a good shooting game, but  getting 3 rebounds and getting 4 steals means nothing since he had 4 turnovers overall - if you check his game logs from OKC you will rarely see him have 3 games in a row where he does well.  he's wildly inconsistent.  he may do well tomorrow, i doubt it, but he may - nevertheless the game after that statistically he has a very low chance of having a good game... in about a months time you will be complaining about his inconsistency - but thats jeff green. he cant have a good game without a lot of touches on offense - the best players can (prime example sully). i love jeff, but he's still mediocre.