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Re: Bradley Beal on the block. Should Celts make an offer?
« Reply #45 on: November 20, 2018, 07:59:26 PM »

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His shot sure looks good.

Smart, Morris, and Baynes fill important and necessary roles that Beal can't, so they could only go in a bigger shake up, which ain't happening.

Of who is left to trade, I suppose since he'd replace Brown, he's the headliner.  But that's less ammo for an AD deal. Tough call.

Unless Hayward fills Morris' role off the bench this year, making Morris available to package with Brown and filler. If his shooting comes to form, that might make such a deal a worthwhile gamble to upgrade from Brown to Beal

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« Reply #46 on: November 20, 2018, 11:52:32 PM »

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His shot sure looks good.

Smart, Morris, and Baynes fill important and necessary roles that Beal can't, so they could only go in a bigger shake up, which ain't happening.

Of who is left to trade, I suppose since he'd replace Brown, he's the headliner.  But that's less ammo for an AD deal. Tough call.

Unless Hayward fills Morris' role off the bench this year, making Morris available to package with Brown and filler. If his shooting comes to form, that might make such a deal a worthwhile gamble to upgrade from Brown to Beal

I think Morris is gonna come back down to earth soon, from 15-7 to maybe 12-5.5, and that means putting up put plenty of 9-5 games or worse. I’d trade his value while high in a package with JB  if the Wiz treated Brown closer to 2018 playoffs JB than 2018-19 season JB.
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Re: Bradley Beal on the block. Should Celts make an offer?
« Reply #47 on: November 21, 2018, 01:13:36 AM »

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Seen lots of LAL fans who think a package centred around Ingram and Hart is too much for Beal. Interesting
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Re: Bradley Beal on the block. Should Celts make an offer?
« Reply #48 on: November 21, 2018, 03:26:02 AM »

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They'd have to trade too many pieces to be worth it.

Smart, Brown, Mook, Rozier ... that's almost half the rotation.


Hayward and Rozier for Beal and J. Smith (ex) works..

People think Hayward’s untouchable because of his relationship with Stevens, but Ainge would trade him at the drop of the hat if it meant bettering the team.

I haven't known Ainge to sell an asset when its perceived value is low. He tends to do the opposite. Particularly if he feels the asset has upside. I don't think Stevens' relationship with Hayward comes into it at all.
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Re: Bradley Beal on the block. Should Celts make an offer?
« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2018, 05:10:03 AM »

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Yes, we should make an offer.

Aside from Kyrie, there are no real knock-down shooters on our team and our game plan revolves around outside shooting. Beal is a young Allstar, on a good deal, and on our timeline.

Ideally, we would trade for him involving future assets, young players and picks.
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« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2018, 06:12:41 AM »

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Seen lots of LAL fans who think a package centred around Ingram and Hart is too much for Beal. Interesting
I don't think that is interesting at all.  I wouldn't trade Ingram for Beal either. 
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Re: Bradley Beal on the block. Should Celts make an offer?
« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2018, 06:25:26 AM »

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Seen lots of LAL fans who think a package centred around Ingram and Hart is too much for Beal. Interesting
I don't think that is interesting at all.  I wouldn't trade Ingram for Beal either.
Oh dear, guess we disagree on what qualifies as interesting then!

That's pretty crazy though. Beal is an All-Star locked up until 2021 who has proven himself capable of nearly 25/5/5. Brandon Ingram has gotten worse with the arrival of LeBron
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« Reply #52 on: November 21, 2018, 07:01:39 AM »

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Re: Bradley Beal on the block. Should Celts make an offer?
« Reply #53 on: November 21, 2018, 07:06:02 AM »

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Brandon Ingram has gotten worse with the arrival of LeBron

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Don't say that, or Moranis will pull up his examples of JJ Hickson and Daniel Gibson to refute it :D
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« Reply #54 on: November 21, 2018, 07:42:26 AM »

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Brandon Ingram has gotten worse with the arrival of LeBron

Young stars never grow around Lebron...
Don't say that, or Moranis will pull up his examples of JJ Hickson and Daniel Gibson to refute it :D
How has Ingram gotten worse around Lebron?  His numbers are essentially the same as last season except for a large drop in 3pt percentage and a bit of a drop in assists.  The former of which Lebron would not be affecting.

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« Reply #55 on: November 21, 2018, 08:51:39 AM »

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Brandon Ingram has gotten worse with the arrival of LeBron

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Don't say that, or Moranis will pull up his examples of JJ Hickson and Daniel Gibson to refute it :D
How has Ingram gotten worse around Lebron?  His numbers are essentially the same as last season except for a large drop in 3pt percentage and a bit of a drop in assists.  The former of which Lebron would not be affecting.
His lesser role as a playmaker has definitely hurt his game. He flourishes when he's running as essentially a point guard, and those opportunities are less now. I also think the 3pt shooting is more of a return to the mean. I don't think he'll be a 30% guy, but I think 35% is much more likely than his sophomore mark of 39%
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Re: Bradley Beal on the block. Should Celts make an offer?
« Reply #56 on: November 21, 2018, 10:18:56 AM »

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Think of Hayward as an asset, an automobile. The auto has a damaged part, it's not running right, so when you attempt to sell it naturally you'll get lowball offers. Even if it has the potential to run perfectly fine with the necessary attention.

Hayward is not being traded.

It would send a terrible message to future free agents around the league. GM's around the league would use it against the Celtics during FA negotiations. If we don't stick by Gordon during this rehab we will pay for it long term. 

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« Reply #57 on: November 21, 2018, 10:28:49 AM »

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I think a trade the Celtics would HAVE to pull the trigger on if it were offered is Hayward, Tatum and Brown for Beal and Wall.

It offloads Hayward's atrocious contract and puts two stars playing with the same closing window as Kyrie and Horford on the team.

It also gives Stephens' offense the additional playmaking it DESPERATELY needs.

Rozier and Smart can be moved before the trade deadline for further forward depth if necessary.



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« Reply #58 on: November 21, 2018, 10:47:19 AM »

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I think a trade the Celtics would HAVE to pull the trigger on if it were offered is Hayward, Tatum and Brown for Beal and Wall.

It offloads Hayward's atrocious contract and puts two stars playing with the same closing window as Kyrie and Horford on the team.

It also gives Stephens' offense the additional playmaking it DESPERATELY needs.

Rozier and Smart can be moved before the trade deadline for further forward depth if necessary.

You know that the wizards are imploding because Beal and Wall cant really play together right? This coupled with the fact that Wall already looks half a step slow, and Wall is arguably one of the worst contracts in the league. You think Haywards contract Is bad? Imagine paying Wall 40 million dollars a year in his age 30 season, and that ballooning to 46 million when he is 32. Hard pass.

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Re: Bradley Beal on the block. Should Celts make an offer?
« Reply #59 on: November 21, 2018, 10:53:14 AM »

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Um Stevens isn't trading Hayward. Let's get that out of our minds right now. I think if Ainge traded Hayward, Stevens would leave.

I think Brown, Rozier and Morris and a pick for Beal and Howard or Green would be enough to get it done.


 Your 100% wrong on that IMO. And if he did. Then Bye.