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Re: Ainge Needs To Be Held Semi-Accountable For Lack Of Rebounding...
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2016, 08:18:08 PM »

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we do not have any BIGS.
you mean, if we dont count horford, zeller, and amir johnson? yep, as long as we eliminate all our big, front line players, you are correct and the celtics have no bigs.

Those are big men, but they do not play big. Marcus Smart plays bigger than every one of them.

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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2016, 08:50:37 PM »

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we do not have any BIGS.
you mean, if we dont count horford, zeller, and amir johnson? yep, as long as we eliminate all our big, front line players, you are correct and the celtics have no bigs.

Those are big men, but they do not play big. Marcus Smart plays bigger than every one of them.
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Re: Ainge Needs To Be Held Semi-Accountable For Lack Of Rebounding...
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2016, 09:24:43 PM »

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I think Ainge has a target on either Noel or Cousins, and that's why we're thin up front. 

If anything, hold him accountable for not making a palatable trade offer yet.  Its not like we can't...

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« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2016, 01:19:22 AM »

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The rebounding problem is overblown.

First off, the Celtics system emphasizes getting back on defense instead of hitting the offensive boards. Due to the system I think the offensive rebounding numbers and thus the overall rebounding numbers aren't a big deal.

Since the 6th game of the season the Celtics have been the 15th best defensive rebounding team in the NBA. Since we knew rebounding would be a problem coming into the season, middle of the pack rebounding shouldn't be a cause for concern.

For a long time, elite big men have been the most difficult asset to acquire in the NBA, I think the poor rebounding over an extended span has to do simply with not having one of those because we weren't picking high in the draft rather than a failure by Ainge.

It's extremely important.  We take a LOT of threes on this team.  Threes are the lowest percentage shot in the game, so a lot of threes attempted means a lot of rebounds available.  If we aren't grabbing those rebounds, it means that the opponent is.  Every rebound the opponent grabs is a free possession.

Allow me to demonstrate, roughly, what I'm saying here.

Our team average 31 three point attempts per game and 11 three point makes per game.  That means that this team averages 20 three pointers missed per game.

Our team averages 9.3 offensive rebounds per game - lets round that up to 10, to be generous.

That means that every game we giving up 10 free possessions to our opponent as a result of missed threes.  Lets say those 10 possessions average convert at an average of 1.5 points per possession for the opponent.  Multiple that by 10 possessions, and that's 15 points we are giving up off missed three point shots alone.

Out average points allowed ranks 8th in the East, at 102.6 per game.  If we grabbed two more offensive rebounds as a team, we are taking away two opponent scoring opportunities, at an average of 1.5 points per possession, adding up to 3 less opponent points per game.

Our points allowed then drops to 99.6 points allowed per game, which would rank us as the second best defence in the East.

Now these numbers are hardly super scientific so don't quite me on exact positions and estimates - this is purely a point I'm making to demonstrate that the Boston Celtics rank 5th in the NBA in three pointers attempted, and 22nd in the NBA in offensive rebounds.

When you take a ton of threes and don't don't go after offensive boards, then you are basically giving up free possessions and bleeding points.

So yes, we need improved rebounding - desperately. 

To make matters worse, we desperately lack any kind of post presence on offense, since Amir can't play anymore, and Horford/Jerebo/Olynyk are all stretch bigs by nature right now.  This means nobody (bar Thomas) puts any pressure on the interior defense, allowing opponents to comfortably spread out defensively and smother out outside shooters.  This drops out three point percentages because we need to take tougher shots, which only exaggerates the impact of our poor offensive rebounding.

If we had a post scorer to draw consistent double teams, then maybe we could force the defence to collapse more, hence giving our shooters more space.  More space means higher shooting percentages, which means less misses, which means less offensive rebounds - hence rebounding becomes less critical.

But we torture ourselves because we have no post presence, we have no rebounders, and we take a billion long jumpers every night.  It's like putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger.

My suggestion is we go hard after a Greg Monroe trade.  He's barely playing in Milwaukee, and with a career average of 3.1 Off Rebounds per game (in 30 minutes), he's twice as good a rebounder as anybody else on this team.  He's also a very good post scorer who would demand double teams ever time he touches the ball down low, and he gets to the line at a pretty beastly rate too (career 36.7% FTR).  Monroe is also a good locker room guy and an outstanding passer who would fit nicely in to the Celtics 'ball movement' style of offence.

Monroe can likely be had for a modest figure, and he'd be a near perfect complement for Horford, who (as a versatile defender who is quite mobile, an excellent outside shooter) would very nicely cover all of Monroe's flaws. 

Of Mornoe can't be had easily enough, then I'd look at pursuing Nerlens Noel.

Failing that I would even contemplate (at a stretch) taking a shot a Jahlil Okafor - the latter isn't a great overall rebounder, but his offensive rebounding was actually pretty solid last year, and he's a definite presence down low.  Horford would also somewhat make up for Okafor's poor footspeed and horrendous defence.

What's for sure is that we need a proper, traditional big man on this team to play alongside Horford - who is very much looking like a rich man's Kelly Olynyk.   

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« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2016, 08:28:23 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2016, 08:59:15 PM »

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Frustrating as it seems but we need to bear with our soft azz frontcourt. Help won't come until January or the next off season.

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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2016, 09:13:04 PM »

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Frustrating as it seems but we need to bear with our soft azz frontcourt. Help won't come until January or the next off season.

True. But it's been an issue for YEARS. After Perkins was traded.

Even with KG for 2 years after the Perkins trade, like in the case with Horford now, he can't do it alone.
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« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2016, 09:19:35 PM »

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Frustrating as it seems but we need to bear with our soft azz frontcourt. Help won't come until January or the next off season.

True. But it's been an issue for YEARS. After Perkins was traded.

Even with KG for 2 years after the Perkins trade, like in the case with Horford now, he can't do it alone.
it's was an issue as soon as KG blew out his knee


Perk ain't no round mound 'o rebound

But he was tough as nails. And we're missing that attitude big time
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« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2016, 09:24:47 PM »

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Frustrating as it seems but we need to bear with our soft azz frontcourt. Help won't come until January or the next off season.

True. But it's been an issue for YEARS. After Perkins was traded.

Even with KG for 2 years after the Perkins trade, like in the case with Horford now, he can't do it alone.

We don't have rebounding issue with Sullinger on board. We were 5th last year in RPG and 14th 2 years ago.

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« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2016, 09:57:44 PM »

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WHAT IS THE HOLDUP?!?! JUST PULL THE STUPID TRIGGER ON THE JAYLEN FOR ASIK TRADE.
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« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2016, 10:34:20 PM »

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WHAT IS THE HOLDUP?!?! JUST PULL THE STUPID TRIGGER ON THE JAYLEN FOR ASIK TRADE.
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« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2016, 10:38:21 PM »

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Big miss by Zbo on the FT

Re: Ainge Needs To Be Held Semi-Accountable For Lack Of Rebounding...
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2016, 10:44:51 PM »

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Ainge has had numerous opportunities to improve the rebounding and clog up the middle. Fact is, he hasn't. Guys like Olynyk, Jerebko and Zeller are mainly offensive players. Rebounding just hasn't been a priority. Teams get too many 2nd shots, as Memphis is doing tonite.

Part of Danny's problem may be he has dreams of that big "star" which overrides everything else. Keep the cap space clear. Plus he's holding those Nets picks like a mother hen. In my view, they have enough 19yo projects on the roster right now. What they need is to fill that hole up front. Dombrowski he is not.

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« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2016, 12:27:26 AM »

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WHAT IS THE HOLDUP?!?! JUST PULL THE STUPID TRIGGER ON THE JAYLEN FOR ASIK TRADE.

Excellent - double TP for you!

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« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2016, 01:49:08 AM »

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WHAT IS THE HOLDUP?!?! JUST PULL THE STUPID TRIGGER ON THE JAYLEN FOR ASIK TRADE.

Excellent - double TP for you!
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1533/omer-asik

"Omer Asik is "very much available" in trade talks according to sources of CSNNE.
He's in the second year of his five-year, $58 million deal, so that contract won't be easy to move. Asik's minutes in New Orleans are on the decline and the team recently demoted him to the bench in favor of Alexis Ajinca. Even if he's traded to a better situation, there's not enough upside to warrant a stash -- he's averaging 3.3 points and 6.0 rebounds in 17.5 minutes per game this season. Dec 12 - 9:52 AM"