Poll: Re-Draft Marcus or Julius

[KG Living Legend]

 You are supposed to draft for upside and i always thought Randle at 6'8" 250 pounds with a great handle, strength and is a plus athlete. Thought he had the most upside.

 Results are in now. Nine years later who do you got? I think Randle, Tatum,  Brown  would be good. Just hard to share the ball.

 I thought it was an easy decision to, but that's just me.

[radiohead]

This is interesting. I voted Randle just because be have White and Brogdon now.

[Moranis]

I doubt Randle would still be here as he would have priced himself out, though that is why Randle is the better pick.

[gouki88]

Could have traded Randle for something sweet

[Roy H.]

It's a hard call for me.  Marcus is an extremely frustrating player.  But, he has intangibles that add to a team, at least when he's being coached up.

Randle is on his third team, and at various points even the Knicks have been willing to trade him.  It's why a guy with All-NBA numbers is making $23.7 million this year:  his effort and attitude have been spotty. 

If we draft Randle, we probably never sign (or trade for) Horford.  It's questionable if we could have kept him.  Even then, I'm not sure how well he would have built our defensive identity, or how he would have accepted being a third option on offense (or a second option, with JB being third).

I guess I'll take the bird in the hand.

[ozgod]

I'd stick with Marcus. He's one of those high standard deviation type players where he takes high risk plays which can turn a game when they come off, but look stupid when they don't. But I think the net gain we get from Marcus because he's an amplifying type player that might not be great on his own but can make those around him better and inspire them to be better. And we can never question Smartacus's heart and mongrel mentality. I'm sure most teams around the league would love to have a Marcus Smart type player at $17m a season.

[KG Living Legend]

It's a hard call for me.  Marcus is an extremely frustrating player.  But, he has intangibles that add to a team, at least when he's being coached up.

Randle is on his third team, and at various points even the Knicks have been willing to trade him.  It's why a guy with All-NBA numbers is making $23.7 million this year:  his effort and attitude have been spotty. 

If we draft Randle, we probably never sign (or trade for) Horford.  It's questionable if we could have kept him.  Even then, I'm not sure how well he would have built our defensive identity, or how he would have accepted being a third option on offense (or a second option, with JB being third).

I guess I'll take the bird in the hand.

 I don't believe you believe this.  A team with Randle, Tatum,  Brown,  is better than A Smart, Brown,  Tatum team. Period.

[jpotter33]

It's a hard call for me.  Marcus is an extremely frustrating player.  But, he has intangibles that add to a team, at least when he's being coached up.

Randle is on his third team, and at various points even the Knicks have been willing to trade him.  It's why a guy with All-NBA numbers is making $23.7 million this year:  his effort and attitude have been spotty. 

If we draft Randle, we probably never sign (or trade for) Horford.  It's questionable if we could have kept him.  Even then, I'm not sure how well he would have built our defensive identity, or how he would have accepted being a third option on offense (or a second option, with JB being third).

I guess I'll take the bird in the hand.

 I don't believe you believe this.  A team with Randle, Tatum,  Brown,  is better than A Smart, Brown,  Tatum team. Period.

This is such a problematic assumption, though - we simply don’t know if we’d even have these players if we took Randle instead of Smart. Who’s to say that without Smart we still take Brown instead of Dunn in 16, or even Fultz instead of Tatum in 17? Or do we even keep Randle as long as we have with Smart?

You seem to be asking two different questions - (a) should’ve we have drafted Smart or Randle, and (b) would we better by switching Smart and Randle right now.

To me, for (a) I completely agree that I take Smart via the whole “a bird in the hand” philosophy. Who knows what this team would look like right now if we took Randle, and I hardly think it would look better both short and long-term than it does now. As for (b), that’s more debatable. I think given the current roster setup, Randle does reasonably make us better right now given our plethora of guards and need for a long-term 4.

[slamtheking]

 You are supposed to draft for upside and i always thought Randle at 6'8" 250 pounds with a great handle, strength and is a plus athlete. Thought he had the most upside.

Results are in now. Nine years later who do you got? I think Randle, Tatum,  Brown  would be good. Just hard to share the ball.

 I thought it was an easy decision to, but that's just me.

Now?  what a joke.  waiting 9 years to feel you've been proven right about a draft selection we didn't make. 

I take Smart because he's had the most impactful career to date.  He hasn't been dismissed because he doesn't give a full effort or play defense which is exactly been what's dogged Randle his entire career. 

However, if you want to judge them based on just this year, sure, Randle's the better player and with the other guards on our team, swapping Randle for Smart would fill a whole at PF on offense and rebounding though I'm not sold his defense would be as good as Al's.

[Donoghus]

 You are supposed to draft for upside and i always thought Randle at 6'8" 250 pounds with a great handle, strength and is a plus athlete. Thought he had the most upside.

Results are in now. Nine years later who do you got? I think Randle, Tatum,  Brown  would be good. Just hard to share the ball.

 I thought it was an easy decision to, but that's just me.

Now?  what a joke.  waiting 9 years to feel you've been proven right about a draft selection we didn't make. 

I take Smart because he's had the most impactful career to date.  He hasn't been dismissed because he doesn't give a full effort or play defense which is exactly been what's dogged Randle his entire career. 

However, if you want to judge them based on just this year, sure, Randle's the better player and with the other guards on our team, swapping Randle for Smart would fill a whole at PF on offense and rebounding though I'm not sold his defense would be as good as Al's.

Guess there is still hope for the guy who used run around here screaming about Elfrid Payton being superior to Smart.

[Wretch]

It's a hard call for me.  Marcus is an extremely frustrating player.  But, he has intangibles that add to a team, at least when he's being coached up.

Randle is on his third team, and at various points even the Knicks have been willing to trade him.  It's why a guy with All-NBA numbers is making $23.7 million this year:  his effort and attitude have been spotty. 

If we draft Randle, we probably never sign (or trade for) Horford.  It's questionable if we could have kept him.  Even then, I'm not sure how well he would have built our defensive identity, or how he would have accepted being a third option on offense (or a second option, with JB being third).

I guess I'll take the bird in the hand.

 I don't believe you believe this.  A team with Randle, Tatum,  Brown,  is better than A Smart, Brown,  Tatum team. Period.

I am not certain this is true.  I think is Randle is the better player if he's a high usage player, the clear number 1 or 2 on a team but I don't see him as being a good 3rd, something he'd be with the Js.  I also think if Randle is your number 1 or 2 option on offense your team's ceiling is capped.  He's will raise a teams floor versus the J's who raise a teams ceiling.

In the end I think it boils down to the team make up as to what player you take.  On the Cs as constructed Smart is probably the choice but on the Knicks, who don't have the offensive options of the Cs, Randle is the better choice. 

[slamtheking]

 You are supposed to draft for upside and i always thought Randle at 6'8" 250 pounds with a great handle, strength and is a plus athlete. Thought he had the most upside.

Results are in now. Nine years later who do you got? I think Randle, Tatum,  Brown  would be good. Just hard to share the ball.

 I thought it was an easy decision to, but that's just me.

Now?  what a joke.  waiting 9 years to feel you've been proven right about a draft selection we didn't make. 

I take Smart because he's had the most impactful career to date.  He hasn't been dismissed because he doesn't give a full effort or play defense which is exactly been what's dogged Randle his entire career. 

However, if you want to judge them based on just this year, sure, Randle's the better player and with the other guards on our team, swapping Randle for Smart would fill a whole at PF on offense and rebounding though I'm not sold his defense would be as good as Al's.

Guess there is still hope for the guy who used run around here screaming about Elfrid Payton being superior to Smart.

did he actually believe that?  wonder why that gem isn't being pushed.

[Donoghus]

 You are supposed to draft for upside and i always thought Randle at 6'8" 250 pounds with a great handle, strength and is a plus athlete. Thought he had the most upside.

Results are in now. Nine years later who do you got? I think Randle, Tatum,  Brown  would be good. Just hard to share the ball.

 I thought it was an easy decision to, but that's just me.

Now?  what a joke.  waiting 9 years to feel you've been proven right about a draft selection we didn't make. 

I take Smart because he's had the most impactful career to date.  He hasn't been dismissed because he doesn't give a full effort or play defense which is exactly been what's dogged Randle his entire career. 

However, if you want to judge them based on just this year, sure, Randle's the better player and with the other guards on our team, swapping Randle for Smart would fill a whole at PF on offense and rebounding though I'm not sold his defense would be as good as Al's.

Guess there is still hope for the guy who used run around here screaming about Elfrid Payton being superior to Smart.

did he actually believe that?  wonder why that gem isn't being pushed.

100% he did.  He also managed to get himself tossed from this forum sometime around 2017 or 2018.

[gouki88]

 You are supposed to draft for upside and i always thought Randle at 6'8" 250 pounds with a great handle, strength and is a plus athlete. Thought he had the most upside.

Results are in now. Nine years later who do you got? I think Randle, Tatum,  Brown  would be good. Just hard to share the ball.

 I thought it was an easy decision to, but that's just me.

Now?  what a joke.  waiting 9 years to feel you've been proven right about a draft selection we didn't make. 

I take Smart because he's had the most impactful career to date.  He hasn't been dismissed because he doesn't give a full effort or play defense which is exactly been what's dogged Randle his entire career. 

However, if you want to judge them based on just this year, sure, Randle's the better player and with the other guards on our team, swapping Randle for Smart would fill a whole at PF on offense and rebounding though I'm not sold his defense would be as good as Al's.

Guess there is still hope for the guy who used run around here screaming about Elfrid Payton being superior to Smart.

Few have transitioned from promising young PG to out of the league as quickly as Elfrid Payton

[Goldstar88]

This year I’d take Randle, last year I would have taken Smart.