NFL 2023 Offseason Thread

[Roy H.]

Will Levis meeting with the Patriots.  Did Mac Jones kick Bill's dog or something?  I mean the disrespect Bill is showing Mac year after year is just weird.

Jones might have been better kicking his dog, haha.  The rumored reason there's tension:

Mac Jones angered Bill Belichick last season as he sought advice about the New England Patriots’ dysfunctional offense.

This news came from Chris Simms on Monday’s episode of “PFT Live” who reported that Jones called coaches at Alabama to ask for solutions for the Patriots’ offense, which struggled last season.

At issue was the failed experiment to replace offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels with long-time defensive coach Matt Patricia. Simms explained that Jones called the Alabama coaching staff in order to get some information as to how to properly run the offense under Patricia.

Tom E. Curran shared on WEEI that Jones going outside the building irked Belichick.

“That really p---ed Bill off,” Curran said. “As we know, disloyalty in Bill’s mind is almost worse than bad play.”

[gouki88]

Will Levis meeting with the Patriots.  Did Mac Jones kick Bill's dog or something?  I mean the disrespect Bill is showing Mac year after year is just weird.

Jones might have been better kicking his dog, haha.  The rumored reason there's tension:

Mac Jones angered Bill Belichick last season as he sought advice about the New England Patriots’ dysfunctional offense.

This news came from Chris Simms on Monday’s episode of “PFT Live” who reported that Jones called coaches at Alabama to ask for solutions for the Patriots’ offense, which struggled last season.

At issue was the failed experiment to replace offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels with long-time defensive coach Matt Patricia. Simms explained that Jones called the Alabama coaching staff in order to get some information as to how to properly run the offense under Patricia.

Tom E. Curran shared on WEEI that Jones going outside the building irked Belichick.

“That really p---ed Bill off,” Curran said. “As we know, disloyalty in Bill’s mind is almost worse than bad play.”

Can anyone blame Jones? Seems like Belichick is losing it - trusting the wrong guys, burning bridges in the locker-room, making peculiar GM choices. Time seems up

[Roy H.]

Will Levis meeting with the Patriots.  Did Mac Jones kick Bill's dog or something?  I mean the disrespect Bill is showing Mac year after year is just weird.

Jones might have been better kicking his dog, haha.  The rumored reason there's tension:

Mac Jones angered Bill Belichick last season as he sought advice about the New England Patriots’ dysfunctional offense.

This news came from Chris Simms on Monday’s episode of “PFT Live” who reported that Jones called coaches at Alabama to ask for solutions for the Patriots’ offense, which struggled last season.

At issue was the failed experiment to replace offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels with long-time defensive coach Matt Patricia. Simms explained that Jones called the Alabama coaching staff in order to get some information as to how to properly run the offense under Patricia.

Tom E. Curran shared on WEEI that Jones going outside the building irked Belichick.

“That really p---ed Bill off,” Curran said. “As we know, disloyalty in Bill’s mind is almost worse than bad play.”

Can anyone blame Jones? Seems like Belichick is losing it - trusting the wrong guys, burning bridges in the locker-room, making peculiar GM choices. Time seems up

The Patricia thing was just odd.

[SparzWizard]

Bill's not been the same since Brady left.

[johnnygreen]

Malcolm Brogdon wins sixth man of the year.

[Phantom255x]

Malcolm Brogdon wins sixth man of the year.

Congrats to Malcolm Brogdon the Celtics player AND the Patriots player. Doing it all! 

[Moranis]

Bill's not been the same since Brady left.

or maybe this is what a non-Brady Bill would have always been. After all he failed miserably in Cleveland before Brady and he hasn't been good since Brady left.  Brady allowed for a lot of mistakes to the roster, management, etc. because he was just so good.  I mean any coach that costs his team a Superbowl because a player was late, maybe shouldn't be coaching.

[Moranis]

More out on the Hurts contract, just 110 million guaranteed at signing.  So way less than what Lamar was offered by the Ravens. 

Ravens looking a whole lot better and Lamar looking like he doesn't know what he is doing.

How are the Ravens looking better? They don't have a starting QB and they don't appear to be close to signing Lamar. The Ravens are probably a 4-6 win team without him.

There will be more clarity in two weeks once QB needy teams have made their move.

perception.  A year ago  Baltimore offered Lamar a better contract than Hurts just signed.  Since Hurts signed you no longer hear criticism like the Ravens should just pay Lamar.  Baltimore looks like they were more than fair, while Lamar is coming off like the crazy one.

[green_bballers13]

Sure, Baltimore can look wise by saving $, but only if the other shoe drops. If they trade him and their first to HOU for Young/Stroud.... sure, I guess that works. I still think Lamar is better than those two, but rookie QBs certainly help the cap.

If they franchise him and he continues to sit out games.... how is this helpful?

I wouldn't be excited about losing the team's best player since Ray Lewis. That seems like an optimistic spin.

[Moranis]

Sure, Baltimore can look wise by saving $, but only if the other shoe drops. If they trade him and their first to HOU for Young/Stroud.... sure, I guess that works. I still think Lamar is better than those two, but rookie QBs certainly help the cap.

If they franchise him and he continues to sit out games.... how is this helpful?

I wouldn't be excited about losing the team's best player since Ray Lewis. That seems like an optimistic spin.

He isn't going anywhere for 2 seasons unless Baltimore trades him.  Now sure he could sit out and miss out on at least 33 million this year, but what good does that do Lamar, only to end up in the same situation the following off season when no team is going to give him a fully guaranteed contract.  The simple reality is, Baltimore offered him a contract that would have made him the highest paid player in the sport.  What exactly are they supposed to do? 

[green_bballers13]

Guaranteed money counts, not nominal contract figures that ESPN reports. You're saying that Baltimore offered the same guaranteed deal that Kyler and Deshaun got? Lamar is better than both.

[Goldstar88]

Guaranteed money counts, not nominal contract figures that ESPN reports. You're saying that Baltimore offered the same guaranteed deal that Kyler and Deshaun got? Lamar is better than both.

Except for the whole… passing the ball part.

[Moranis]

Guaranteed money counts, not nominal contract figures that ESPN reports. You're saying that Baltimore offered the same guaranteed deal that Kyler and Deshaun got? Lamar is better than both.

He was absolutely offered more than Kyler in guaranteed money.  Not as much as fully guaranteed as Watson, but Lamar was almost certainly going to play out all 5 years (and get his 250 million), or be able to renegotiate for more money with a year or so left.  In other words, he would have been paid more than Watson over the next 5 years.  Lamar was offered a contract with 130+ million fully guaranteed at signing and another 35 million or so after the 1st year (so after 1 season over 165 million guaranteed).  The 133 million is actually the largest number fully guaranteed at signing, any QB has received (not even Watson got that much at signing).  By 2025 with roster bonuses only, Lamar would have been guaranteed 200 million and he had 175 million guaranteed for injury within those first couple of years. 

The contract Baltimore offered Lamar would have made him the highest paid player in the sport.  He turned it down because 50 million of it wasn't guaranteed.  It was dumb at the time and looks even dumber now.

[SparzWizard]

Bill's not been the same since Brady left.

or maybe this is what a non-Brady Bill would have always been. After all he failed miserably in Cleveland before Brady and he hasn't been good since Brady left.  Brady allowed for a lot of mistakes to the roster, management, etc. because he was just so good.  I mean any coach that costs his team a Superbowl because a player was late, maybe shouldn't be coaching.

Now that I agree. I've always been on the side where it was 80% Brady and 20% Belichick for this franchise. And Brady was able to win in his first year with Tampa...had to play all three playoff games on the road against good defenses and elite QBs. Still won't forget the mysterious benching of Malcolm Butler and playing Jordan Richards over him in that Superbowl. Waste of a precious year over trivial matters. Now you got Mac Jones sharing his frustrations that it adds up and doesn't make it look good for Bill.

[Roy H.]

Four Lions players, including former first-round pick Jameson Williams, have been suspended for violating the NFL's gambling policy following an investigation by the league.

Lions wide receiver Quintez Cephus and safety C.J. Moore have been suspended indefinitely for betting on NFL games, as was Washington Commanders defensive end Shaka Toney. They can reapply for reinstatement after one year, though the Lions announced that their two players would be released.

Second-year wide receivers Williams and Stanley Berryhill are being suspended for six games each for mobile betting that occurred at the Lions' Allen Park facility. They did not bet on NFL games, the league said.

This is going to happen more and more as gambling becomes more and more normalized.  The NFL won't be the only sport affected, either.