I'd still be interested in Obi Toppin.
The problem is I'm pretty sure the Knicks are too. He technically fits into one of the TPEs but you'd pay a premium to get him.
I wouldn't overpay for him but I would send a 1st and a 2nd round pick for him.
well, which is it? you wouldn't overpay for him or you'd send a first and a second for him? 
Yeah, a first for Toppin is a pretty steep overpay I think.
Depends on the quality of the 1st, doesn't it? I wouldn't send them an unprotected 1st, but something protected isn't crazy, especially considering that pick would likely be in the 25-30 range.
The bigger issue with that price from the Celtics perspective is that we're unable to send something until 2025, which would mean in a subsequent trade that we couldn't send out a 1st until at least 2027, and Obi Toppin isn't worth that constraint with regard to future picks. If we had this year's pick to offer, however, I wouldn't flinch if we traded it for Toppin. I think he'd crack our rotation, he's still young and improving, and he could remain under team control for several years. With our current assets, I wouldn't go higher than our two 2nds, but they aren't far off the value of a late 1st anyway.
I'd rather Vanderbilt, of course, but I think his price is higher.
Nope, it doesn't matter. I wouldn't trade the 30th pick in the draft for Toppin.
Ah, I think you're wrong there. He's a good player stuck on the wrong team.
What evidence is there that he's good?
His first two years in the league, especially last year? The Knicks decided he's unplayable with Randle and because Thibs is the coach and rides Randle to the ground, that meant Toppin only got 17 minutes per game. So I think his per-36 numbers are probably the way to go for normalization. He went for a 19/8/2 line with an efficient .614 TS%. That per-36 scoring number was third on the Knicks, and his usage was relatively high when he was on the court (20.8%). His at-rim skills were elite (over 70%), but he's not a simple rim-runner, as his average shooting distance was 10.5 feet away.
The Knicks were generally bad, but he still managed a 7.1 net rating, which is really impressive for a rotation player on a team with a negative net rating overall. (He was also positive in his rookie year). His defensive advanced stats generally come out around average to slightly above , and he was a plus offensively. This year his 3-point shot has improved to league average, although he's now taking over 50% of his shots from 3. I don't know if that's a coaching thing or a player thing, but he's proven to be an excellent cutter in the past, which I think would work very well in the C's offense. Defensively he's best when he gets to guard the 5.
He's only 24, and is likely to continue to get better. That said, as only a part-time player his first three seasons, he might come in for a reasonable extension this summer as he enters the last year of his rookie deal, and could be a nice piece going forward, especially as Horford heads off into the sunset.
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