So without Rondo this means everything prior to this was Sully's fault, right?

[Eja117]

Remember whenever Rondo would get hurt and then the team would play well people would say it was all because Rondo did everything wrong? Oh there's better ball movement without Rondo. We don't have to worry about free throw shooting without Rondo.  You remember.

Where are those people right now to say we are way better without Sully and KO, so we should take pennies on the dollar to get rid of them? 

[MBunge]

Remember whenever Rondo would get hurt and then the team would play well people would say it was all because Rondo did everything wrong? Oh there's better ball movement without Rondo. We don't have to worry about free throw shooting without Rondo.  You remember.

Where are those people right now to say we are way better without Sully and KO, so we should take pennies on the dollar to get rid of them?

So, are you doing a parody of butt-hurt Rondo fans?

Mike

[Eja117]

No, I'm just following the logic.

We're clearly playing better without Sully and KO. 

[hwangjini_1]

does this thread have a point besides baiting people?

[YeezusChrist]

I think nobody is saying we are better without Sully and KO is because we don't know what would happen with them in the lineup with Isaiah who can create his own shot and work really well in the pick and roll.

They could prove to be even better than we thought they were because IT makes the defense react very differently than when Rondo was running the show. They could get better looks at the 3 or roll to the basket where sully could bowling ball his way to the basket or KO could finesse his way in. We just don't know yet.

[Eja117]

Whether it does or not I want to get in on the ground floor of saying we don't need Sully or KO. We need to trade them or bench them. 

I'd rather trade them and some picks for Drummond. Then draft Cauly Stein.  They went out and we took off. The evidence speaks for itself.

[SHAQATTACK]

does this thread have a point besides baiting people?

I think you nailed it.

[mahcus smaht]

Keep in mind the day we lost Sully we acquired Thomas (and Jerebko for that matter) I think people are attributing the improved play to them, and rightfully so. They have been an infusion of energy, scoring and athleticism we have long lacked.

Also keep in mind the one game w/out Sully and prior to Isaiah we lost to the Kings in a game where our frontcourt got dominated. Sully tends to be a beast against the Kings. We missed him that game and I think we still do. Most fans understand that.

[Eja117]

I think nobody is saying we are better without Sully and KO is because we don't know what would happen with them in the lineup with Isaiah who can create his own shot and work really well in the pick and roll.

They could prove to be even better than we thought they were because IT makes the defense react very differently than when Rondo was running the show. They could get better looks at the 3 or roll to the basket where sully could bowling ball his way to the basket or KO could finesse his way in. We just don't know yet.

They would be just as likely to be ball dominant. Would they play defense like the guys right now? We saw what Zeller could do tonight so there's no reason to take minutes from him and Jonas is playing the best ball of his career. I'm not sure they weren't the problem. An out of shape forward and a soft stretch four. Don't need em.

[Eja117]

At the very least if Sully and KO were to come back and we were to start playing worse than we would have to start beating the drum for them to go whether the stats suggest they are playing well or not.

[Eja117]

I'm also willing to entertain the notion that Jeff Green was a serious problem. IT rebounds better than him

[Ilikesports17]

As youve by now pointed out there were countless variables. We have been pretty hot since Green left and along with the loss of Sully on deadline day the team completely changed identity with Isaiah taken the reins as the primary ballhandler and scorer.

Could Sully and KO have been a part of the problem? sure but fans arent really coming to that conclusion because there are wayyy to many other variables along with the fact that i seem to recall we were pretty hot just prior to sullys injury so its not like it was a turning point

[Ilikesports17]

As youve by now pointed out there were countless variables. We have been pretty hot since Green left and along with the loss of Sully on deadline day the team completely changed identity with Isaiah taken the reins as the primary ballhandler and scorer.

Could Sully and KO have been a part of the problem? sure but fans arent really coming to that conclusion because there are wayyy to many other variables along with the fact that i seem to recall we were pretty hot just prior to sullys injury so its not like it was a turning point

Just looked it up and we had won 4 of 5 with the only loss being a 3 pt loss in the final seconds to a playoff bound bucks team. So we were playing probably our best ball of the season with Sully. This is why people arent attributing our success to his absence.

[Eja117]

So I guess it's KO's fault then. 

Your points are fair and interesting but by the same token people attribute Rondo's arrival to  the decline of the Mavs even though Parsons is injured and Dirk is having a major down year for him, so I'm not 100% sure we really need to consider all the variables.

The team is doing great and I definitely think there's a danger messing it up with other guys.

[kozlodoev]

Where are those people right now to say we are way better without Sully and KO, so we should take pennies on the dollar to get rid of them?

You really think Sullinger and Olynyk make a difference one way or the other? They'd be traded tomorrow and no-one would notice, but the sad reality is that no-one wants broken toys.