Cliff Alexander,Jordan Mickey, or Dakari Johnson?

[Eddie20]

CFAN38, solid points on Alexander vs Mickey in terms of frame. Alexander looks like he can easily be 260 -265 once his body matures further. He's 240 now, and carrying a very low body fat percentage.

Some of the stats are very similar between the two, but Alexander is a bit bigger, stronger, and longer and plays with the much higher motor. Alexander is also about 16 months younger and is just 1 year removed from being the #4 overall player out of HS.

PER 40 Numbers

PPG
Alexander 16.2
Mickey 17.7

RPG
Alexander 12.0
Mickey 11.4

BPG
Alexander 3.0
Mickey 4.1

FG%
Alexander 56.6
Mickey 50.4

FT%
Alexander 67.1
Mickey 64.6


Advanced Metrics

PER
Alexander 23.2
Mickey 21.7

Offensive Rating
Alexander 118.2
Mickey 99.7

Defensive Rating
Alexander 95.0
Mickey 90.2

True Shooting %
Alexander 59.8
Mickey 53.3

Combine Measurements

Height
Alexander 6' 8.5"
Mickey 6' 8.25"

Weight
Alexander 239
Mickey 238

BF%
Alexander 5.8
Mickey 7.2

Wingspan
Alexander 7' 3.5"
Mickey 7' 3.25"   

Standing Reach
Alexander 9' 1.5"
Mickey 8' 10"

I'll take Alexander for the higher upside, better back to the basket moves, higher motor, ability to finish strong around the basket, and in thinking the only reason he'll even be available at #28 is because of the NCAA suspension.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcU0LT4GoTc

Dont forget

Mickey : standstill leap: 33 inches, max vert leap: 37.5 inches

Alexander didnt even test. But prob has a max vert leap = the same as Mickey Standstill leap measurement at 33 inches. If not less

Also Mickeys max vertical reach is ridiculous combining his wingspan, reach and max vert leap.   That is why Mickey is considered above the rim and alexander is not

Looks fine to me, whether he tested or not….

[BornReady]

I used to be high on dakari Johnson
And wouldn't mind getting him out of your 3 options

But cliff Alexander had a recent injury which may sideline him from workouts so he could fall to our last 2nd rounder potentially

[Tr1boy]

CFAN38, solid points on Alexander vs Mickey in terms of frame. Alexander looks like he can easily be 260 -265 once his body matures further. He's 240 now, and carrying a very low body fat percentage.

Some of the stats are very similar between the two, but Alexander is a bit bigger, stronger, and longer and plays with the much higher motor. Alexander is also about 16 months younger and is just 1 year removed from being the #4 overall player out of HS.

PER 40 Numbers

PPG
Alexander 16.2
Mickey 17.7

RPG
Alexander 12.0
Mickey 11.4

BPG
Alexander 3.0
Mickey 4.1

FG%
Alexander 56.6
Mickey 50.4

FT%
Alexander 67.1
Mickey 64.6


Advanced Metrics

PER
Alexander 23.2
Mickey 21.7

Offensive Rating
Alexander 118.2
Mickey 99.7

Defensive Rating
Alexander 95.0
Mickey 90.2

True Shooting %
Alexander 59.8
Mickey 53.3

Combine Measurements

Height
Alexander 6' 8.5"
Mickey 6' 8.25"

Weight
Alexander 239
Mickey 238

BF%
Alexander 5.8
Mickey 7.2

Wingspan
Alexander 7' 3.5"
Mickey 7' 3.25"   

Standing Reach
Alexander 9' 1.5"
Mickey 8' 10"

I'll take Alexander for the higher upside, better back to the basket moves, higher motor, ability to finish strong around the basket, and in thinking the only reason he'll even be available at #28 is because of the NCAA suspension.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcU0LT4GoTc

Dont forget

Mickey : standstill leap: 33 inches, max vert leap: 37.5 inches

Alexander didnt even test. But prob has a max vert leap = the same as Mickey Standstill leap measurement at 33 inches. If not less

Also Mickeys max vertical reach is ridiculous combining his wingspan, reach and max vert leap.   That is why Mickey is considered above the rim and alexander is not

Looks fine to me, whether he tested or not….

And this is what Mickey will do to Alexanders dunk attempt. Alexander needs a sec to gather before jumping vs Mickeys explosiveness from standstill.   

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Dakari Johnson for me at #33, assuming we don't draft Robert Upshaw.

I'm still not convinced as to how Dakari would turn out. A little slow, looks uncoordinated with how he moves, bit at #33 his size should be good value to test and see what he can become. I like him at that spot.

[Tr1boy]

Dakari Johnson for me at #33, assuming we don't draft Robert Upshaw.

I'm still not convinced as to how Dakari would turn out. A little slow, looks uncoordinated with how he moves, bit at #33 his size should be good value to test and see what he can become. I like him at that spot.

Like a perkins but without as long as wingspan.

Watch the Mickey clip i posted. Mickey blows by him on one play and is quicker to the defensive rebound, even though Johnson has inside position.   These are possible examples as to the bad things that can happen to Johnson at the NBA

He also cant defend multiple positions, not skilled from the post/perimeter. Danny and CBS prob skip on Johnson imo

[suitednzooted]

Wow thanks everyone for the support and feedback. Im still new to scouting, so i can use all the information and perspectives i can get. This seems like an awesome community full of like-minded individuals and ive clearly been missing everything! Lol

I totally missed Rakeem Christmas on this thread. Love his shooting and offensive versatility and motor but i personally love my bigs down low and in the trenches. He certainly belongs here especially with his 5on5 at the nba combine. I think I originally overlooked him because i wasnt thinking about offense at all with our pick. But I would not be mad at celtic management for choosing him at #33. I actually think he could be one if the steals in this draft but like someone else said im still not sure if we should even draft a PF becuase of sully and ko and bass. But we need best available players in my opinion.

Also im starting to wonder if it matters where they were ranked in HS. Ive always thought about grabbin the guy that drops who was just a yr or two removed from top 10 but ive realized they are literally just that:Rankings.I mean, Avery Bradley was ranked #1 in HS! Last year i loved okafor and towns coming out of HS but didnt love alexander or turner. I dont see the skillset in alexander or turner but we all know you can make a niche in this league just being able to bully your way around the basket. 

So getting Cliff Alexander would be good value at #33 but Im curious to see if he will develop any kind of post moves. All in all I would be happy with alexander, christmas or mickey in the second round but i have a feeling they will all be gone by #33 besides Dakari Johnson lol..Christmas may drop but anything can happen.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Dakari Johnson for me at #33, assuming we don't draft Robert Upshaw.

I'm still not convinced as to how Dakari would turn out. A little slow, looks uncoordinated with how he moves, bit at #33 his size should be good value to test and see what he can become. I like him at that spot.

Like a perkins but without as long as wingspan.

Watch the Mickey clip i posted. Mickey blows by him on one play and is quicker to the defensive rebound, even though Johnson has inside position.   These are possible examples as to the bad things that can happen to Johnson at the NBA

He also cant defend multiple positions, not skilled from the post/perimeter. Danny and CBS prob skip on Johnson imo

But Dakari has an NBA asset, his size. He may not have the quickness but he has the body and the length to be able to battle against NBA Centers. At #33, he's good value in a "see what we have" sense.  They can stash him in the D League and develop, and once his feet are wet, he can be called upon.

Mickey and Alexander may have better athletic tools, but they are undersized for their position. They'll have a hard time cracking a rotation spot than Dakari.

[Tr1boy]

Dakari Johnson for me at #33, assuming we don't draft Robert Upshaw.

I'm still not convinced as to how Dakari would turn out. A little slow, looks uncoordinated with how he moves, bit at #33 his size should be good value to test and see what he can become. I like him at that spot.

Like a perkins but without as long as wingspan.

Watch the Mickey clip i posted. Mickey blows by him on one play and is quicker to the defensive rebound, even though Johnson has inside position.   These are possible examples as to the bad things that can happen to Johnson at the NBA

He also cant defend multiple positions, not skilled from the post/perimeter. Danny and CBS prob skip on Johnson imo

But Dakari has an NBA asset, his size. He may not have the quickness but he has the body and the length to be able to battle against NBA Centers. At #33, he's good value in a "see what we have" sense.  They can stash him in the D League and develop, and once his feet are wet, he can be called upon.

Mickey and Alexander may have better athletic tools, but they are undersized for their position. They'll have a hard time cracking a rotation spot than Dakari.

Is 6'8 really undersized for a pf??  Especially if you have a long wingspan and weight 235-245 pounds?

6'8 with 7'3 wingspan 240-250 pounds vs 6'10 with  7'0 wingspan 240-250 pounds

Does it matter?

[Tr1boy]

So getting Cliff Alexander would be good value at #33 but Im curious to see if he will develop any kind of post moves. All in all I would be happy with alexander, christmas or mickey in the second round but i have a feeling they will all be gone by #33 besides Dakari Johnson lol..Christmas may drop but anything can happen.

Alexander should be there at 33. No worries. But hoping the Celts skip on picking him. At 45 its ok

You take Mickey at 28 and or christmas at 33 if upshaw is gone

[Fred Roberts]

Dakari is VERY worth the shot early second round.  Would love to take him. Don't even know about the other guys. 

[Csfan1984]

Id take Richaun Holmes at 45 please. Use 28 and 16 for Stanley Johnson. Use 33 for Upshaw. Call it a great draft night.

[Tr1boy]

Id take Richaun Holmes at 45 please. Use 28 and 16 for Stanley Johnson. Use 33 for Upshaw. Call it a great draft night.

28 and 16 = ?

How high can we move up?   I doubt Johnson will get past 10-11

Upshaw has some heart issues i'm reading about on top of his many other issues. 

I like Holmes at 45 but I doubt he will be available. Almost every team wants to have him in for a workout and its not possible for him to accommodate.  He might not be even available at 28, he is a hot ticket right now

I like

16- RHJ -  In the workouts his jump shot looks to be much improved.  And otherwise this is a fabulous player. Reminds me of Iguadala

28- Mickey , Holmes or MCcullough - Happy with any of these three at 28. MCcullough is a top 10 talent. Could be a power sf.  Needs to pull a "noel" next season and just concentrate on fully recovering from surgery, strengthening the body.   

33 - Mickey, Holmes or Christmas - We really need to grab an above the rim presence if we can't with the 28th pick.  Other option here is to grab a draft and stash

45 - 3 pt specialist or draft and stash again.  Can't move up much using this pick.

[KG Living Legend]

Id take Richaun Holmes at 45 please. Use 28 and 16 for Stanley Johnson. Use 33 for Upshaw. Call it a great draft night.

 I'd be stoked with that.

[KG Living Legend]

Wow thanks everyone for the support and feedback. Im still new to scouting, so i can use all the information and perspectives i can get. This seems like an awesome community full of like-minded individuals and ive clearly been missing everything! Lol

I totally missed Rakeem Christmas on this thread. Love his shooting and offensive versatility and motor but i personally love my bigs down low and in the trenches. He certainly belongs here especially with his 5on5 at the nba combine. I think I originally overlooked him because i wasnt thinking about offense at all with our pick. But I would not be mad at celtic management for choosing him at #33. I actually think he could be one if the steals in this draft but like someone else said im still not sure if we should even draft a PF becuase of sully and ko and bass. But we need best available players in my opinion.

Also im starting to wonder if it matters where they were ranked in HS. Ive always thought about grabbin the guy that drops who was just a yr or two removed from top 10 but ive realized they are literally just that:Rankings.I mean, Avery Bradley was ranked #1 in HS! Last year i loved okafor and towns coming out of HS but didnt love alexander or turner. I dont see the skillset in alexander or turner but we all know you can make a niche in this league just being able to bully your way around the basket. 

So getting Cliff Alexander would be good value at #33 but Im curious to see if he will develop any kind of post moves. All in all I would be happy with alexander, christmas or mickey in the second round but i have a feeling they will all be gone by #33 besides Dakari Johnson lol..Christmas may drop but anything can happen.

Enjoy it while you can. The Wolves here will eat you alive eventually. Don't take things personally here. Here is your second Tommy point.  Good luck

[Geo123]

Id take Richaun Holmes at 45 please. Use 28 and 16 for Stanley Johnson. Use 33 for Upshaw. Call it a great draft night.

28 and 16 = ?

How high can we move up?   I doubt Johnson will get past 10-11

Upshaw has some heart issues i'm reading about on top of his many other issues. 

I like Holmes at 45 but I doubt he will be available. Almost every team wants to have him in for a workout and its not possible for him to accommodate.  He might not be even available at 28, he is a hot ticket right now

I like

16- RHJ -  In the workouts his jump shot looks to be much improved.  And otherwise this is a fabulous player. Reminds me of Iguadala

28- Mickey , Holmes or MCcullough - Happy with any of these three at 28. MCcullough is a top 10 talent. Could be a power sf.  Needs to pull a "noel" next season and just concentrate on fully recovering from surgery, strengthening the body.   

33 - Mickey, Holmes or Christmas - We really need to grab an above the rim presence if we can't with the 28th pick.  Other option here is to grab a draft and stash

45 - 3 pt specialist or draft and stash again.  Can't move up much using this pick.

They will definitely pick a Euro stash guy if they keep all of their picks (which I doubt)