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Hayward has definitively outplayed Morris in February - Implications?
« on: February 14, 2019, 07:46:48 AM »

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So in February pre-ASG, Hayward is averaging:

27.3 mpg, 14.6 ppg 4.6 rpg 4 apg, on 57 / 52 / 90 % splits with .4 bpg .7 spg + 1.6 TO.

Morris is averaging:

30.3 mpg, 13.8 ppg 6 rpg 1.2 apg, on 47 / 33 / 83 % splits with .2 bpg .7 spg + 1.2 TO.

Hayward wins at everything with better efficiency except rebounding & TOs, but it's fine since his A/TO ratio is 2.5 vs only 1 for Morris.  So Mook only wins at rebounding.

If this continues, is it time to consider starting Hayward over Morris?  Or wait until we stumble & Morris' efficiency continues to fade while we lose a few?

Hayward is less selfish and would keep the ball moving better in the starting lineup, but he'd need to be aggressive and not afraid to shoot to improve the starters.  Morris should really still thrive in a 6th-7th man role, though ball movement on the 2nd unit could be dicey as GH-Rozier-JB seems a much better passing unit than Rozier-JB-Mook.
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Re: Hayward has definitively outplayed Morris in February - Implications?
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2019, 07:48:44 AM »

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I would start him, and decrease Rozier's minutes. I like Wanamaker alongside JB a lot more than Rozier. Wanamaker and Smart help him get the early touches he needs.
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Re: Hayward has definitively outplayed Morris in February - Implications?
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2019, 07:57:26 AM »

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Quote from: gouki88 on February 14, 2019, 07:48:44 AM
I would start him, and decrease Rozier's minutes. I like Wanamaker alongside JB a lot more than Rozier. Wanamaker and Smart help him get the early touches he needs.
Nah.  I think Hayward in the 2nd unit is working fine.  He is an unselfish player and works really well with Theis.
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Re: Hayward has definitively outplayed Morris in February - Implications?
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2019, 07:57:48 AM »

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Smart
Hayward
Tatum
Morris
Horford.

Roll with that until Kyrie and Baynes are back.

Then try
Irving
Hayward
Tatum
Horford
Baynes.

I really like the Hayward Tatum wing pairing.

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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2019, 08:06:32 AM »

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Quote from: Surferdad on February 14, 2019, 07:57:26 AM
Quote from: gouki88 on February 14, 2019, 07:48:44 AM
I would start him, and decrease Rozier's minutes. I like Wanamaker alongside JB a lot more than Rozier. Wanamaker and Smart help him get the early touches he needs.
Nah.  I think Hayward in the 2nd unit is working fine.  He is an unselfish player and works really well with Theis.
He does, but I want to keep him away from Rozier. Seems to work better alongside other willing passers, which Rozier certainly is not
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Re: Hayward has definitively outplayed Morris in February - Implications?
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2019, 08:57:43 AM »

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I don't get the point of comparing Hayward to Morris.  Morris is playing as a big (even though he is more of a swing).  If you simply replace Morris with Hayward, we won't have enough size on the court.

It may be time to start Hayward but if he does, Smart or Tatum will go to the bench.  There is no perfect line up for this team with the roster they have.  Someone has to lose out.  But assuming Kyrie will be back, I would try a starting lineup of Irving-Smart-Hayward-Morris-Horford.  Still not much size as I would like but I like having the veterans in there and the younger players off the bench.

And I know, people think Tatum would sulk or whatever but too bad.  If Hayward keeps playing this well, we need to get him in the starting lineup.  Tatum-Brown-Rozier can form the most feared bench in the NBA and still get the same minutes they have been getting.
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2019, 09:14:39 AM »

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I'd leave the line-ups as is and agree with VG's point that comparing the 2 doesn't make a lot of sense in that Morris is playing as a big.  I know Morris replaced Hayward in the starting line-up but having 3 wings and Al as the only big man starting was getting us killed on the boards. 

If Hayward continues to play like he has (or plays even better after the break, the implications from my viewpoint is that if Danny has to deal Tatum and Smart to get AD, then we should have a really fantastic starting line-up of Kyrie, Brown, Hayward, Horford and AD knowing that Hayward's play is on the upswing and we shouldn't lose a beat by losing Tatum.  in fact, since Hayward's ballhandling and passing skills are far superior to Tatum's we should be even better (in theory).
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2019, 09:22:07 AM »

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Hayward playing better and better, plus the team potentially not being able to put their 5 best players on at once, makes AD even more attractive. 

If it cost Tatum + RW3 + Yabu + MLE + 4-5 1sts, we'd roll with Kyrie, AD, Al, Smart/Brown, and a healthy Hayward.  That's a nutty lineup/6th man.
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Re: Hayward has definitively outplayed Morris in February - Implications?
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2019, 09:25:34 AM »

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My vote is to keep the rotation the same except fewer minutes for Morris and Rozier, more minutes for Hayward and Wanamaker.
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2019, 09:33:42 AM »

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I prefer having Mook start for defensive and rebounding purposes currently. He does better against some of the forwards that can bother Tatum/Hayward.

If Hayward keeps getting better and gets closer to all-star status I'm all for starting him. Though at this point we might just use him as a Manu type sub who plays starter minutes for the rest of this season.
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2019, 09:42:44 AM »

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If you're considering the starting lineup, I'm not sure that the comparison is all that relevant - only because Morris is more of a 3/4 where Hayward is a 2/3.  So if anything Smart might be the one to move to the bench - Kyrie at the 1, Hayward at the 2. 

But that aside, the big implication - and we're starting to see it - is more minutes for Hayward.  Last night was the 2nd of a back to back and he played 34. Granted, no Kyrie, but Hayward is getting more minutes - and if he keeps this up - a lot more minutes than he'd been getting.
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2019, 09:51:35 AM »

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Quote from: gouki88 on February 14, 2019, 08:06:32 AM
Quote from: Surferdad on February 14, 2019, 07:57:26 AM
Quote from: gouki88 on February 14, 2019, 07:48:44 AM
I would start him, and decrease Rozier's minutes. I like Wanamaker alongside JB a lot more than Rozier. Wanamaker and Smart help him get the early touches he needs.
Nah.  I think Hayward in the 2nd unit is working fine.  He is an unselfish player and works really well with Theis.
He does, but I want to keep him away from Rozier. Seems to work better alongside other willing passers, which Rozier certainly is not

I never considered Rozier to be Hayward insurance, but now keeping Rozier makes more sense
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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2019, 09:56:57 AM »

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Quote from: gouki88 on February 14, 2019, 08:06:32 AM
Quote from: Surferdad on February 14, 2019, 07:57:26 AM
Quote from: gouki88 on February 14, 2019, 07:48:44 AM
I would start him, and decrease Rozier's minutes. I like Wanamaker alongside JB a lot more than Rozier. Wanamaker and Smart help him get the early touches he needs.
Nah.  I think Hayward in the 2nd unit is working fine.  He is an unselfish player and works really well with Theis.
He does, but I want to keep him away from Rozier. Seems to work better alongside other willing passers, which Rozier certainly is not
Totally agree with this.  Rozier is driving me nuts with his unwillingness to move the ball - especially in Hayward's direction.  Too many times this season it's looked like Hayward was playing the James Young role being the last option while Rozier is looking for his own offense or holding the ball too long.
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2019, 10:02:09 AM »

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Morris is playing for his contract, not the Celtics.

He jacks up shots to try to up his average.
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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2019, 10:11:34 AM »

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Quote from: Kuberski33 on February 14, 2019, 09:42:44 AM
If you're considering the starting lineup, I'm not sure that the comparison is all that relevant - only because Morris is more of a 3/4 where Hayward is a 2/3.  So if anything Smart might be the one to move to the bench - Kyrie at the 1, Hayward at the 2. 

But that aside, the big implication - and we're starting to see it - is more minutes for Hayward.  Last night was the 2nd of a back to back and he played 34. Granted, no Kyrie, but Hayward is getting more minutes - and if he keeps this up - a lot more minutes than he'd been getting.
TP for both of your points Kuberski.  My feelings exactly.
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