Hayward sign-and-trade completed

[Moranis]

So what is our overall turnover this offseason?

Out: Gordon Hayward, Enes Kanter, Brad Wanamaker, and Vincent Poirier

In: Tristan Thompson, Jeff Teague, Aaron Nesmith, Payton Pritchard

Plus a 28.5 million dollar TPE, and the BAE and Kanter's 5 million TPE

How do you guys rate that as a whole?

worse team right now, but have to see if anything comes of the TPE's.

[michigan adam]

When they shed kanter and VP I said they needed 2 bigs.  One C and one PF or PF/C.  I think they are still lacking that, but now have several options to get them now or later in the year.  Better overall, but 1 player short of hanging with the lakers, especially with how big they are.

[NKY fan]

So what is our overall turnover this offseason?

Out: Gordon Hayward, Enes Kanter, Brad Wanamaker, and Vincent Poirier

In: Tristan Thompson, Jeff Teague, Aaron Nesmith, Payton Pritchard

Plus a 28.5 million dollar TPE, and the BAE and Kanter's 5 million TPE

How do you guys rate that as a whole?

Offseason plus draft is a C- to me.

This can change if the TPE turns into something.
Also if Kemba is somehow healthy in the playoffs we might get back to the ECF.

[RJ87]

So what is our overall turnover this offseason?

Out: Gordon Hayward, Enes Kanter, Brad Wanamaker, and Vincent Poirier

In: Tristan Thompson, Jeff Teague, Aaron Nesmith, Payton Pritchard

Plus a 28.5 million dollar TPE, and the BAE and Kanter's 5 million TPE

How do you guys rate that as a whole?

We've taken a step back. Teague and Tristan are upgrades over Kanter and Brad, but I think we're underestimating the loss of Gordon. Yes, I know he was injured often, but the possibility of Gordon raised this team's ceiling quite a bit. We were a healthy Gordon away from a Finals appearance, so it's obvious that we need a player that can fill that void and we haven't done anything to replace him yet.

[Jiri Welsch]

So what is our overall turnover this offseason?

Out: Gordon Hayward, Enes Kanter, Brad Wanamaker, and Vincent Poirier

In: Tristan Thompson, Jeff Teague, Aaron Nesmith, Payton Pritchard

Plus a 28.5 million dollar TPE, and the BAE and Kanter's 5 million TPE

How do you guys rate that as a whole?

We've taken a step back. Teague and Tristan are upgrades over Kanter and Brad, but I think we're underestimating the loss of Gordon. Yes, I know he was injured often, but the possibility of Gordon raised this team's ceiling quite a bit. We were a healthy Gordon away from a Finals appearance, so it's obvious that we need a player that can fill that void and we haven't done anything to replace him yet.

I think our style of play will change a bit. And I also think our safest bet for a marked improvement is simply allowing JB and Tatum to keep getting better.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

So what is our overall turnover this offseason?

Out: Gordon Hayward, Enes Kanter, Brad Wanamaker, and Vincent Poirier

In: Tristan Thompson, Jeff Teague, Aaron Nesmith, Payton Pritchard

Plus a 28.5 million dollar TPE, and the BAE and Kanter's 5 million TPE

How do you guys rate that as a whole?

The greatest improvement to this team was always going to come from within the roster we already have. (The hope is that) Growth by Tatum, Brown, Williams, Williams, and Langford would more than mitigate any loss by Hayward. I still hold out hope that Pritchard or Nesmith can offset some of the loss as well.

The rest of the players are a wash or slightly in favor of the new additions.

[hwangjini_1]

to help those among us who love to propose trades, here is a list of nba salaries over the next few years. have fun.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

[ozgod]

Will probably expire or used to get a bad contract and a 1st rounder. Don't have faith it will be used on a good player.

I think the reason 75% of these don't get used is because the conditions have to be right - you have to find the right team (trapped in mediocrity or over the salary cap) in the right situation (deciding to rebuild or tank) trying to offload a good player (one that isn't already a trade target for other teams with expiring contracts to trade) to create cap space for themselves. It's not like you can just walk up to Washington and say "hey here's a trade exception can you give us Bradley Beal". Washington has to have decided they want to rebuild, they have to have entertained offers for Beal from other teams and decided that getting a trade exception that comes off the books is the best way forward for them, rather than getting 2 or 3 players in exchange for Beal.

That's why it's much more likely that it will end up being used to get a expiring of our own and maybe a draft pick. Or maybe it gets used in bits and pieces, rather than trying to get a near max player. Obviously our own cap situation will influence the decision as well. But hey, stranger things have happened 

[Muzzy66]

So what is our overall turnover this offseason?

Out: Gordon Hayward, Enes Kanter, Brad Wanamaker, and Vincent Poirier

In: Tristan Thompson, Jeff Teague, Aaron Nesmith, Payton Pritchard

Plus a 28.5 million dollar TPE, and the BAE and Kanter's 5 million TPE

How do you guys rate that as a whole?

We've taken a step back. Teague and Tristan are upgrades over Kanter and Brad, but I think we're underestimating the loss of Gordon. Yes, I know he was injured often, but the possibility of Gordon raised this team's ceiling quite a bit. We were a healthy Gordon away from a Finals appearance, so it's obvious that we need a player that can fill that void and we haven't done anything to replace him yet.

This may be true in a sense, but to me there were two key differences in how this team performed:
* When the team played the right way we were blowing teams out and looked like we could beat anybody, even without Hayward. 
* When the team resorted to isolation, silly turnovers and chucking contested threes we looked like we were lucky to make the playoffs. 

I don't believe Hayward was ever going to be the difference maker in either of those two scenarios.  When the team played right they were amazing, with or without Hayward.   

[RodyTur10]

So what is our overall turnover this offseason?

Out: Gordon Hayward, Enes Kanter, Brad Wanamaker, and Vincent Poirier

In: Tristan Thompson, Jeff Teague, Aaron Nesmith, Payton Pritchard

Plus a 28.5 million dollar TPE, and the BAE and Kanter's 5 million TPE

How do you guys rate that as a whole?

We've taken a step back. Teague and Tristan are upgrades over Kanter and Brad, but I think we're underestimating the loss of Gordon. Yes, I know he was injured often, but the possibility of Gordon raised this team's ceiling quite a bit. We were a healthy Gordon away from a Finals appearance, so it's obvious that we need a player that can fill that void and we haven't done anything to replace him yet.

This may be true in a sense, but to me there were two key differences in how this team performed:
* When the team played the right way we were blowing teams out and looked like we could beat anybody, even without Hayward. 
* When the team resorted to isolation, silly turnovers and chucking contested threes we looked like we were lucky to make the playoffs. 

I don't believe Hayward was ever going to be the difference maker in either of those two scenarios.  When the team played right they were amazing, with or without Hayward.   

If there was one player on the Celtics who always played the right way and gave the right example it was Gordon Hayward. So that exact reason made him a difference maker. We're going to miss that maybe more than we realize.

Tatum, Walker and Smart can play the right way but they can also become ball stoppers or shot chuckers, when they feel the offense isn't flowing. 

[footey]

So what is our overall turnover this offseason?

Out: Gordon Hayward, Enes Kanter, Brad Wanamaker, and Vincent Poirier

In: Tristan Thompson, Jeff Teague, Aaron Nesmith, Payton Pritchard

Plus a 28.5 million dollar TPE, and the BAE and Kanter's 5 million TPE

How do you guys rate that as a whole?

We've taken a step back. Teague and Tristan are upgrades over Kanter and Brad, but I think we're underestimating the loss of Gordon. Yes, I know he was injured often, but the possibility of Gordon raised this team's ceiling quite a bit. We were a healthy Gordon away from a Finals appearance, so it's obvious that we need a player that can fill that void and we haven't done anything to replace him yet.

This may be true in a sense, but to me there were two key differences in how this team performed:
* When the team played the right way we were blowing teams out and looked like we could beat anybody, even without Hayward. 
* When the team resorted to isolation, silly turnovers and chucking contested threes we looked like we were lucky to make the playoffs. 

I don't believe Hayward was ever going to be the difference maker in either of those two scenarios.  When the team played right they were amazing, with or without Hayward.   

If there was one player on the Celtics who always played the right way and gave the right example it was Gordon Hayward. So that exact reason made him a difference maker. We're going to miss that maybe more than we realize.

Tatum, Walker and Smart can play the right way but they can also become ball stoppers or shot chuckers, when they feel the offense isn't flowing.

Exactly how I feel.  TP.

[johnnygreen]

Unfortunately, the timing of receiving this TPE may have come too late. The Celtics no longer have multiple future first round picks to package with the TPE, so that will definitely limit the quality of player we could get back in return.

[Greengang5]

Hayward missed games, but so did Brown and Tatum.  In the past, it seemed only one player was out at a time and the other two picked up the slack.  That will not be the case this year.  Better hope Brown and Tatum stay healthy because the third cog will not be as good of a player as Hayward.  I think the team is still a year or two away.

[Vermont Green]

Losing Hayward does have some impact.  But what he actually contributed to the team over the last few years was not commensurate with an all-star, max contract player.  This was due to injuries and him adjusting to a role plus other factors but whatever the reason, the fact remains.

I think Charlotte overpaid and will regret this.  I don't think he is a $120M player anymore.  He may prove me wrong, we shall see.  The Celtics are still a good team.  The core remains intact.  I am more worried about Kemba's knee than I am losing Hayward.

[Roy H.]

Did Hayward admit that the Hornets tampered with him?

Gary Washburn @GwashburnGlobe
about 7 hours ago
Hayward on opting out: "I just think that after speaking with family and with my agent and to the #Hornets organization ... it really was really powerful and make me think more about it. I decided to go for it. "#Celtics

That could be sloppy reporting, but it seems like Hayward is suggesting that contact with the Hornets influenced his decision to opt out.