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Cade Cunningham on a cost-controlled contract is definitely appealing. I’m not sure I’d say no given the cap flexibility such a move would provide, and the fact Cunningham might be the next Luka. This is doubly true if behind-the-scenes Tatum wants the team to be his, but Jaylen also wants the team to be his (versus the MJ/Pippen arrangement we’ve been hoping for).

Such a move clearly makes Tatum the alpha, Cunningham the beta and a future free agent in 2023 is the final piece of a Big 3 in the era of duos (due to cap constraints). It could be the road to the next dynasty if the eventual owner of the first overall pick is willing to take the sure-fire all-star in Jaylen instead of the potential HOFer (but potential bust) in Cunningham.

If you think nobody would give up the first overall pick for Jaylen, say so and the question for you is Tatum for the first overall pick (obviously any team makes that trade given Tatum’s profile—dude is starting in Durant’s place at the ASG).

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I’m not averse to trading Jaylen Brown. I think he’s closer to Westbrook-impact (great individual player, but won’t lift teams) but he’s such a hot commodity now that we can sell-high on him. That said, I’m not convinced this is the right package. Granted, I don’t know much about Cunningham so take my opinion with a grain of salt. Trading a proven all-star for a rookie sounds like you’re going backwards/rebuilding than moving forward.
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I’m not averse to trading Jaylen Brown. I think he’s closer to Westbrook-impact (great individual player, but won’t lift teams) but he’s such a hot commodity now that we can sell-high on him. That said, I’m not convinced this is the right package. Granted, I don’t know much about Cunningham so take my opinion with a grain of salt. Trading a proven all-star for a rookie sounds like you’re going backwards/rebuilding than moving forward.

By some accounts, Cunningham could be the next Magic Johnson in year one. Let’s not forget what Magic pulled off in his rookie campaign. Definitely go check him out IMHO.

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I’m not averse to trading Jaylen Brown. I think he’s closer to Westbrook-impact (great individual player, but won’t lift teams) but he’s such a hot commodity now that we can sell-high on him. That said, I’m not convinced this is the right package. Granted, I don’t know much about Cunningham so take my opinion with a grain of salt. Trading a proven all-star for a rookie sounds like you’re going backwards/rebuilding than moving forward.
Jaylen's way of impacting the game is nothing like Westbrook's? ??? ??? ???

One of them is a great floor raiser with almost zero ability to raise the ceiling of good teams while the other is a decent floor raiser who's built to raise the ceiling of quality squads looking to get to the next level.
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I’m not averse to trading Jaylen Brown. I think he’s closer to Westbrook-impact (great individual player, but won’t lift teams) but he’s such a hot commodity now that we can sell-high on him. That said, I’m not convinced this is the right package. Granted, I don’t know much about Cunningham so take my opinion with a grain of salt. Trading a proven all-star for a rookie sounds like you’re going backwards/rebuilding than moving forward.

By some accounts, Cunningham could be the next Magic Johnson in year one. Let’s not forget what Magic pulled off in his rookie campaign. Definitely go check him out IMHO.
Undeservedly winning FMVP from Kareem despite being a distant second best player on that Lakers squad? Sounds impressive (he was still very good as a rookie), but people often romanticise young Magic. Obviously if Cade plays like an All-NBA player in his rookie season like Magic he'd be one of the best perimeter rookies of all time lol.
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Cunningham isn't even the lead playmaker on his Oklahoma State team. Comparisons to Magic are very lazy
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The Magic and Luka comps are waaay premature. In my humble opinion, Magic is the GOAT and Luka is on his way to become a GOAT candidate. Cunningham's court vision is nowhere near that level. I mean, he has a negative ast/to ratio this season.

That said, I'm very high on Cunningham. I'd definitely trade Brown for him. Not all teams would be interested in such a trade though. It all depends on which team wins the lottery. For instance, the Wizards already have 2 win-now stars in Beal and Westbrook. It's possible they'd trade the #1 pick for a 3rd win-now star in Brown. Here are some trade ideas:

  • Brown to the Wizards for Cunningham + Bertans + Wagner
  • Brown to the Hawks for Cunningham + Bogdanovic
  • Brown to the Rockets for Cunningham + Gordon
  • Brown to the Pels for Cuningham + Bledsoe/Adams

The deal I'd like the most is the one with the Hawks.
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The disrespect that Brown is getting from fans of the team he plays for is insane: this is as asinine as proposing trading Tatum for the first pick in the NBA draft so we can select Cade Cunningham imo (the only prospect in the upcoming few years I might trade the Jays for is the 7'3 French kid if he develops his body a bit more before entering the '22 or '23 draft, he looks absolutely unreal).
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The disrespect that Brown is getting from fans of the team he plays for is insane: this is as asinine as proposing trading Tatum for the first pick in the NBA draft so we can select Cade Cunningham imo (the only prospect in the upcoming few years I might trade the Jays for is the 7'3 French kid if he develops his body a bit more before entering the '22 or '23 draft, he looks absolutely unreal).
Hard pass on trading Brown/Tatum for a 7'3'' prospect. No matter how talented he is, chances are he won't stay healthy. Plenty of names come to mind. For instance, Arvydas Sabonis, Ralph Sampson (he was actually 7'4''), Porzingis, just to name a few high-profile players. Fwiw, Brown himself ain't exactly an ironman either. I would argue he ain't the same player since he got diagnosed with patellar tendonitis. He even admitted that he isn't 100% healthy.

''To me, being in the dunk contest wasn’t the best decision for me and my body at the time right now. (...) My eyes are down the stretch and getting 100 percent healthy which I haven’t been for a while and trying to continue to get better. (...) I don’t want to think about my knee or anything. It feels a lot better after a win of course''.

Imo, Brown has peaked. He's an explosive wing who's now trying to adjust his game because of tendonitis. It seems like he's passing the ball more. He's attacking the basket less frequently. He ain't attempting many dunks. This may be an ongoing issue for him throughout his career. Here's a quote from Ainge:

“We’re concerned. Jaylen has tendonitis in his knee. I played 14 years with tendonitis in my knee, it flares up, it just comes and goes.”

Brown is locked up for 4 seasons on a team friendly contract. Imo, his trade value will never be higher. Danny should always try to buy low and sell high. Wouldn't be against selling high on Brown. I'd only do it for Cunningham though. I'm a sucker for high BBIQ players.

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I’m not averse to trading Jaylen Brown. I think he’s closer to Westbrook-impact (great individual player, but won’t lift teams) but he’s such a hot commodity now that we can sell-high on him. That said, I’m not convinced this is the right package. Granted, I don’t know much about Cunningham so take my opinion with a grain of salt. Trading a proven all-star for a rookie sounds like you’re going backwards/rebuilding than moving forward.
Jaylen's way of impacting the game is nothing like Westbrook's? ??? ??? ???

One of them is a great floor raiser with almost zero ability to raise the ceiling of good teams while the other is a decent floor raiser who's built to raise the ceiling of quality squads looking to get to the next level.

I guess what I meant was: he’s going to be an allstar but he can’t be your best player. Whether his team wins or not, I think he’s got the ability to consistently make a strong case for an allstar bid and get his numbers.

Does that contribute to winning? Sometimes
Does that contribute to losing? I don’t necessarily think so either

He’s in that tier of stars you don’t build around. But he’s still a star. I mean, if he wasn’t, then there’s no chance we could even hypothetically get the #1 pick for him.

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The disrespect that Brown is getting from fans of the team he plays for is insane: this is as asinine as proposing trading Tatum for the first pick in the NBA draft so we can select Cade Cunningham imo (the only prospect in the upcoming few years I might trade the Jays for is the 7'3 French kid if he develops his body a bit more before entering the '22 or '23 draft, he looks absolutely unreal).

How’s it disrespectful? Do you think teams with the first overall pick are lining up to trade that pick for a package of Nesmith+ Edwards?

As much as we’d wish it, teams aren’t trying to do the C’s any favors. You give up value to get value. Valuing Jaylen as the equivalent of a #1 overall pick is pretty good, considering we couldn’t even get pre-NBA CP3 for prime Paul Pierce.

That said, I don’t know if we necessarily want to get even younger. Rooks usually don’t win in this league. Vets usually do.
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The disrespect that Brown is getting from fans of the team he plays for is insane: this is as asinine as proposing trading Tatum for the first pick in the NBA draft so we can select Cade Cunningham imo (the only prospect in the upcoming few years I might trade the Jays for is the 7'3 French kid if he develops his body a bit more before entering the '22 or '23 draft, he looks absolutely unreal).
Hard pass on trading Brown/Tatum for a 7'3'' prospect. No matter how talented he is, chances are he won't stay healthy. Plenty of names come to mind. For instance, Arvydas Sabonis, Ralph Sampson (he was actually 7'4''), Porzingis, just to name a few high-profile players. Fwiw, Brown himself ain't exactly an ironman either. I would argue he ain't the same player since he got diagnosed with patellar tendonitis. He even admitted that he isn't 100% healthy.

''To me, being in the dunk contest wasn’t the best decision for me and my body at the time right now. (...) My eyes are down the stretch and getting 100 percent healthy which I haven’t been for a while and trying to continue to get better. (...) I don’t want to think about my knee or anything. It feels a lot better after a win of course''.

Imo, Brown has peaked. He's an explosive wing who's now trying to adjust his game because of tendonitis. It seems like he's passing the ball more. He's attacking the basket less frequently. He ain't attempting many dunks. This may be an ongoing issue for him throughout his career. Here's a quote from Ainge:

“We’re concerned. Jaylen has tendonitis in his knee. I played 14 years with tendonitis in my knee, it flares up, it just comes and goes.”

Brown is locked up for 4 seasons on a team friendly contract. Imo, his trade value will never be higher. Danny should always try to buy low and sell high. Wouldn't be against selling high on Brown. I'd only do it for Cunningham though. I'm a sucker for high BBIQ players.

So one injury and all ready you're giving up on Brown? Seeesssh Celticsblog is one of the most fickle fansites I've ever been in. ;D

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I’d consider reading Brown in the right package for an established star, not some 19 year old kid.

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The disrespect that Brown is getting from fans of the team he plays for is insane: this is as asinine as proposing trading Tatum for the first pick in the NBA draft so we can select Cade Cunningham imo (the only prospect in the upcoming few years I might trade the Jays for is the 7'3 French kid if he develops his body a bit more before entering the '22 or '23 draft, he looks absolutely unreal).
Hard pass on trading Brown/Tatum for a 7'3'' prospect. No matter how talented he is, chances are he won't stay healthy. Plenty of names come to mind. For instance, Arvydas Sabonis, Ralph Sampson (he was actually 7'4''), Porzingis, just to name a few high-profile players. Fwiw, Brown himself ain't exactly an ironman either. I would argue he ain't the same player since he got diagnosed with patellar tendonitis. He even admitted that he isn't 100% healthy.

''To me, being in the dunk contest wasn’t the best decision for me and my body at the time right now. (...) My eyes are down the stretch and getting 100 percent healthy which I haven’t been for a while and trying to continue to get better. (...) I don’t want to think about my knee or anything. It feels a lot better after a win of course''.

Imo, Brown has peaked. He's an explosive wing who's now trying to adjust his game because of tendonitis. It seems like he's passing the ball more. He's attacking the basket less frequently. He ain't attempting many dunks. This may be an ongoing issue for him throughout his career. Here's a quote from Ainge:

“We’re concerned. Jaylen has tendonitis in his knee. I played 14 years with tendonitis in my knee, it flares up, it just comes and goes.”

Brown is locked up for 4 seasons on a team friendly contract. Imo, his trade value will never be higher. Danny should always try to buy low and sell high. Wouldn't be against selling high on Brown. I'd only do it for Cunningham though. I'm a sucker for high BBIQ players.

So one injury and all ready you're giving up on Brown? Seeesssh Celticsblog is one of the most fickle fansites I've ever been in. ;D
Not in the slightest. I'd do it regardless. I believe Cunningham will become a way better player than Brown. Always gimme an elite half court talent over an elite open court talent. For the record, I also believe he'll become better than Tatum. He can do everything Tatum does, plus he's a better passer and ball handler. He's even a bit longer. I'm very high on Cunningham.
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I’d consider reading Brown in the right package for an established star, not some 19 year old kid.

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