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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: CelticsElite on February 12, 2018, 12:57:48 AM
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I know this is hindsight bias, and I really wanted young at the time as well
But who would have guessed that picking young over hood would hurt us this bad one day?
To put insult to injury, Danny really wanted Nance and the Lakers took him one spot up, leaving us with rj hunter. These 2 flopped picks helped result in a blow out loss today
Before someone says it, I'm aware the draft is almost a roulette crapshoot, but it hurts how bad danny gets those mid to late 1sts sometimes. The fear is yabu might be next... And I'm still waiting for semi to make an open 3 while watching Jordan bell destroy the competition with the warriors
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I felt Gary Harris was the miss not Hood. I liked Young's upside vs Hood but Harris was better than both in terms of college play and future projection.
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I felt Gary Harris was the miss not Hood. I liked Young's upside vs Hood but Harris was better than both in terms of college play and future projection.
I agree that Harris was the big miss there but hood was a moderate miss too. I just mention hood because he helped create this 30 pt defeat today while James young was probably smoking marijuana somewhere
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James Young one of the biggest busts I can remember. Along with Fab Melo.
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I felt Gary Harris was the miss not Hood. I liked Young's upside vs Hood but Harris was better than both in terms of college play and future projection.
I agree that Harris was the big miss there but hood was a moderate miss too. I just mention hood because he helped create this 30 pt defeat today while James young was probably smoking marijuana somewhere
That's the biggest challenge of scouting, evaluating the heart and drive of a 17-20 year old kid.
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James Young one of the biggest busts I can remember. Along with Fab Melo.
If he was still here there would still be a contingent that would be saying that he is still too young to give up on him.
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The way young played in the NCAAs, he was a hot player going into the draft and most thought it was a good pick. Yeah, it looks bad now.
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Completely agree. The Bill Simmons fist pump will forever haunt me.
but it hurts how bad danny gets those mid to late 1sts sometimes.
However, I'm on the fence with this, as Danny has gotten more than his fair share of value in that 18-25 range. Sure he's had some blunders, but guys like Rondo, Bradley, West and TA were all good picks in that range.
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The draft is what it is. There are no sure things. Just ask Philly. Ainge has made more great draft day decisions than he has terrible ones. We can go back to just about any year and look for guys we wished the Celtics had drafted over others but I don't find it a particularly enriching exercise.
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hide sight is 20/20
Most of my picks are bad
But I was for Tatum , Brogdon , and Hood .
I least we took one.
Danny needs better scouts.
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hide sight is 20/20
Most of my picks are bad
But I was for Tatum , Brogdon , and Hood .
I least we took one.
Danny needs better scouts.
Yeah if we're redoing drafts they can keep Hood. I'd take Giannis over Olynik.
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I want to hear from Celtics fans that knew a lot about the Greek Freak before he came to the NBA. During the draft, I remember being intrigued by him, but knew little about the big guy.
I knew that I didn't want Olynyk at the time. A goofy 7fter was not what I thought the team needed.
I was psyched about Smart, Brown, and Tatum. I think I was wrong about Smart, and I hope Brown reaches his potential. I think it will be tough for Tatum to be a bad pick at this point, considering Fultz/Ball's early production.
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I know this is hindsight bias, and I really wanted young at the time as well
But who would have guessed that picking young over hood would hurt us this bad one day?
To put insult to injury, Danny really wanted Nance and the Lakers took him one spot up, leaving us with rj hunter. These 2 flopped picks helped result in a blow out loss today
Before someone says it, I'm aware the draft is almost a roulette crapshoot, but it hurts how bad danny gets those mid to late 1sts sometimes. The fear is yabu might be next... And I'm still waiting for semi to make an open 3 while watching Jordan bell destroy the competition with the warriors
Its always tough to look back in hind site at the non lottery picks. In the lottery Im fine with being critical of picks. At that point most teams should have a solid idea who the top 15 of the draft class are and only need to focus on getting the 1-14 ranking correct. Where I think its tough is factoring in risk of failure vs likely hood of success. The best example of this was the Cs draft KO. DA was correct that Kelly is a solid pro worthy of the pick however Giannis who was a major risk would have been the better pick. At the time the logic made sense in hind site its a crushing miss. Out side the lottery there are so many players that guys are going to slip through the cracks.
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I want to hear from Celtics fans that knew a lot about the Greek Freak before he came to the NBA. During the draft, I remember being intrigued by him, but knew little about the big guy.
I knew that I didn't want Olynyk at the time. A goofy 7fter was not what I thought the team needed.
I was psyched about Smart, Brown, and Tatum. I think I was wrong about Smart, and I hope Brown reaches his potential. I think it will be tough for Tatum to be a bad pick at this point, considering Fultz/Ball's early production.
I wanted Giannis because I thought of all the players he had the most upside and picking there with the team the Celtics had the upside pick was the safe play. I think Ainge though was a bit gun shy to pull that trigger have just made a similar pick on Fab Melo, who clearly was already a bust. And frankly, when Boston was trading up I just assumed it was for Giannis. To trade up for KO was the real mistake. Had the team just stood pat at 16 and then took KO, it wouldn't have been so bad, but to trade up to take KO with Giannis on the board, was just a terrible mistake in hind sight. That said, KO is probably a top 15 player from that draft so it wasn't a bad pick in that regard.
As for the drafts from the thread, I didn't like the Young pick as I didn't think he could do anything but shoot, and I wasn't convinced he would be a great shooter at the NBA level. I would have been fine with a better all around player coming out like Harris or Hood. RJ Hunter was a terrible pick at the time. He was billed as a shooter, but he wasn't a very good shooter. He was never going to make it in the NBA, he just didn't have the size or athleticism to be anything more than an open shooter and he just wasn't a good enough open shooter to have that role. I wanted Boston to take Chris McCullough who was injured and just let him ride out the injury. He seemed like the most potential of the available players in that slot. He isn't much better than Hunter so I guess it didn't really make much difference in the end. It is a shame that Nance wasn't on the board though, as he has been quite good for a player taken in that slot.
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I felt Gary Harris was the miss not Hood. I liked Young's upside vs Hood but Harris was better than both in terms of college play and future projection.
Yeah I believe this the more realistic regret since I remember rumors that the Celtics were actually looking at Harris. But let's be thankful that Danny makes his mistakes in the mid round instead of the lottery.
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Danny picks well at the top of the draft...but struggles in the mid rounds...Melo, Sullinger, Young, Giddens, etc all were not good picks.
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Danny picks well at the top of the draft...but struggles in the mid rounds...Melo, Sullinger, Young, Giddens, etc all were not good picks.
It's entertaining how the story changes. People were saying exactly the opposite after Ainge picked up Allen, West, Perkins, Jefferson, Bradley, and Rondo (I'm sure I'm forgetting someone).
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James Young one of the biggest busts I can remember. Along with Fab Melo.
If he was still here there would still be a contingent that would be saying that he is still too young to give up on him.
Lol true
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Danny picks well at the top of the draft...but struggles in the mid rounds...Melo, Sullinger, Young, Giddens, etc all were not good picks.
He also got Avery Bradley, Rajon Rondo, Tony Allen, and Al Jefferson in the middle of the draft. It's hit and miss.
There's also an argument for Sullinger as a good pick at #21. I know that sounds crazy because the Celtics let him walk for nothing and he's out of the league at 25 but getting 3 years of 12 and 8 form the #21 pick isn't bad. Sure Draymond Green would've been better but Perry Jones (there was a lot of noise that the C's should've drafted him) would've been worse. I don't mind it, I guess.
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Hindsight is 20-20.
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Danny picks well at the top of the draft...but struggles in the mid rounds...Melo, Sullinger, Young, Giddens, etc all were not good picks.
Sullinger was a good pick and a productive player
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Despite the outcome, I have defended and will continue to defend the James Young pick. Young was a high upside guy - top 10 recruit coming out of high school, arguably Kentucky's most consistent player on a team that played in the title game. There were reasons for optimism. Hood has turned out better, but we didn't know that was going to be the case at the time the pick was made. That's the risk of upside picks - sometimes you miss. It's easy to judge draft picks when you have the benefit of hindsight.
Also, how is it "missing out on Nance" when he was selected before our pick? Was Danny supposed to hold the Lakers at gunpoint and make them pick somebody else? Or was he supposed to trade extra assets to move up and select a guy who is just decent?
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Danny picks well at the top of the draft...but struggles in the mid rounds...Melo, Sullinger, Young, Giddens, etc all were not good picks.
Sullinger was a good pick and a productive player
As an Ohio State alum...I love Sully. But the fact is Boston did not get nearly enough out of him.
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Danny picks well at the top of the draft...but struggles in the mid rounds...Melo, Sullinger, Young, Giddens, etc all were not good picks.
Sullinger was a good pick and a productive player
As an Ohio State alum...I love Sully. But the fact is Boston did not get nearly enough out of him.
That doesn't make it a bad pick. We got more out of Sully than teams typically get out of the #21 pick historically.
If you want to criticize Boston's inability to develop him, then I wouldn't argue with you there. But he was a good pick.
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Despite the outcome, I have defended and will continue to defend the James Young pick. Young was a high upside guy - top 10 recruit coming out of high school, arguably Kentucky's most consistent player on a team that played in the title game. There were reasons for optimism. Hood has turned out better, but we didn't know that was going to be the case at the time the pick was made. That's the risk of upside picks - sometimes you miss. It's easy to judge draft picks when you have the benefit of hindsight.
Also, how is it "missing out on Nance" when he was selected before our pick? Was Danny supposed to hold the Lakers at gunpoint and make them pick somebody else? Or was he supposed to trade extra assets to move up and select a guy who is just decent?
That is the way I saw it. I believed Young had the immense potential and I definitely think as Danny said himself, "he was a project with high reward but low risk." Most late first round lottery picks don't pan out, and agreed about the Nance. But Nance would've been a fan favorite, and I think he would've been better off being drafted by us personally, especially in Steven's offense.
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I want to hear from Celtics fans that knew a lot about the Greek Freak before he came to the NBA. During the draft, I remember being intrigued by him, but knew little about the big guy.
Nobody knew about Yannis.....
Nobody was interested n him till a Spanish team tried to sign him. Then a couple of first division teams started scouting him but it was a bit late. It was impossible to judge his bball abilities and his athleticism because of the level of the rest of the league. He was a tall agile extremely thin guy who couldn't make a basket further than the paint playing against mostly Sunday leaguers..... The level of the Greek A2 league is low.... I am mean seriously low!!!! I ve posted once a couple of youtube links with full games to judge it yourselves. If anyone wants to hurt his eyes i can post some links again .... I would advise against it though :)
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Danny picks well at the top of the draft...but struggles in the mid rounds...Melo, Sullinger, Young, Giddens, etc all were not good picks.
Sullinger was a good pick and a productive player
As an Ohio State alum...I love Sully. But the fact is Boston did not get nearly enough out of him.
That doesn't make it a bad pick. We got more out of Sully than teams typically get out of the #21 pick historically.
If you want to criticize Boston's inability to develop him, then I wouldn't argue with you there. But he was a good pick.
More of that he had a bad back at OSU he suffered through as well as the weight issue. It would have been nice for him to be still playing
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I felt Gary Harris was the miss not Hood. I liked Young's upside vs Hood but Harris was better than both in terms of college play and future projection.
I agree that Harris was the big miss there but hood was a moderate miss too. I just mention hood because he helped create this 30 pt defeat today while James young was probably smoking marijuana somewhere
Isn't James Young on the 76ers
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Danny picks well at the top of the draft...but struggles in the mid rounds...Melo, Sullinger, Young, Giddens, etc all were not good picks.
Sully was the best out of everyone you listed there.
At one point I almost called him mini Kevin Love because of his rebounding machine and scoring. At least in his early days of the NBA.
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I felt Gary Harris was the miss not Hood. I liked Young's upside vs Hood but Harris was better than both in terms of college play and future projection.
I agree that Harris was the big miss there but hood was a moderate miss too. I just mention hood because he helped create this 30 pt defeat today while James young was probably smoking marijuana somewhere
Isn't James Young on the 76ers
He is one of their 2 way players. He has played in 5 games this year, but with poor stats. he is doing well in the GLeague though, so maybe one day he will be an end of the bench type player in the NBA.
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Despite the outcome, I have defended and will continue to defend the James Young pick. Young was a high upside guy - top 10 recruit coming out of high school, arguably Kentucky's most consistent player on a team that played in the title game. There were reasons for optimism. Hood has turned out better, but we didn't know that was going to be the case at the time the pick was made. That's the risk of upside picks - sometimes you miss. It's easy to judge draft picks when you have the benefit of hindsight.
Also, how is it "missing out on Nance" when he was selected before our pick? Was Danny supposed to hold the Lakers at gunpoint and make them pick somebody else? Or was he supposed to trade extra assets to move up and select a guy who is just decent?
That is the way I saw it. I believed Young had the immense potential and I definitely think as Danny said himself, "he was a project with high reward but low risk." Most late first round lottery picks don't pan out, and agreed about the Nance. But Nance would've been a fan favorite, and I think he would've been better off being drafted by us personally, especially in Steven's offense.
I remember watching Young in college and thought he was slow and unathletic with not the best motor despite a feathery touch. I never believed in his upside, and he didn’t seem to have that driving passion once in the pros. It’s so hard to predict though. Who would have thought Devin Booker would be as good as he is.
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I felt Gary Harris was the miss not Hood. I liked Young's upside vs Hood but Harris was better than both in terms of college play and future projection.
Agreed. I think picking Smart at 6 made it less likely to pick Harris, for some reason. Size maybe. But I loved him in college, thought he would be a really good guard. That time I got it right.
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I felt Gary Harris was the miss not Hood. I liked Young's upside vs Hood but Harris was better than both in terms of college play and future projection.
Yeah, to me Harris was the obvious pick. I never got the Young hype.
That said, half the guys I liked in that draft turned out to be busts. I was right on Nurkic, Harris, Capela and Hood. I was off on Smart, Vonleh, Stauskas and Payne.
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I felt Gary Harris was the miss not Hood. I liked Young's upside vs Hood but Harris was better than both in terms of college play and future projection.
Yeah, to me Harris was the obvious pick. I never got the Young hype.
That said, half the guys I liked in that draft turned out to be busts. I was right on Nurkic, Harris, Capela and Hood. I was off on Smart, Vonleh, Stauskas and Payne.
I wAnted hood or Harris too, but then I also wanted moultrie and perry jones 3. I think you really have to use the eye test with these late picks...do these guys have the heart and desire to be great. You could say DA did well with rozier I guess. It what a flop with olynyk...in fairness though KO is just soft, his skill set is nba transferable. If only he had dirk like toughness.
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I want to hear from Celtics fans that knew a lot about the Greek Freak before he came to the NBA. During the draft, I remember being intrigued by him, but knew little about the big guy.
Nobody knew about Yannis.....
Nobody was interested n him till a Spanish team tried to sign him. Then a couple of first division teams started scouting him but it was a bit late. It was impossible to judge his bball abilities and his athleticism because of the level of the rest of the league. He was a tall agile extremely thin guy who couldn't make a basket further than the paint playing against mostly Sunday leaguers..... The level of the Greek A2 league is low.... I am mean seriously low!!!! I ve posted once a couple of youtube links with full games to judge it yourselves. If anyone wants to hurt his eyes i can post some links again .... I would advise against it though :)
The Celtics actually knew about him and scouted him.