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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: CelticsElite on December 13, 2017, 11:41:26 PM
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https://twitter.com/KellanOlson/status/940812594557923328
38% FG
24% 3PT
55% FT
0.57 assist / turnover
For every 2 turnovers, he makes an assist
Thanks for cancelling that workout josh!
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He's yet to impress me.
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I drafted him 4th in a fantasy league. He started off relatively well, but has gotten progressively worse. Seems like he may even be starting out of necessity right now w/ injuries and a horrible team. He has a lot of weaknesses and really needs to bulk up just to impact the game with his athleticism and versatility alone.
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I drafted him 4th in a fantasy league. He started off relatively well, but has gotten progressively worse. Seems like he may even be starting out of necessity right now w/ injuries and a horrible team. He has a lot of weaknesses and really needs to bulk up just to impact the game with his athleticism and versatility alone.
Trade him for Jaylen Brown
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Tonight's stats:
20th game of the season where he had more turnovers than assists.
In 22 minute:
2 pts,
Shot 0-7 a whopping 0% Fg percentage. Wonder what that will do to his shooting averages for the season
0-4 from 3pt
1 rebound
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Hes struggled, but Phoenix is a tough fit for a player like him at the moment and its way to early to close the book on him.
The game will slow down for him and he will start playing much better. Its only a matter of time. Hes a legit prospect.
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I drafted him 4th in a fantasy league. He started off relatively well, but has gotten progressively worse. Seems like he may even be starting out of necessity right now w/ injuries and a horrible team. He has a lot of weaknesses and really needs to bulk up just to impact the game with his athleticism and versatility alone.
wait, what?
is it like a 30 team league or something
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The Suns do a pathetic job of developing young players. Jackson deserves to be there based on his predraft behavior, but he and his agent should have known that playing time shouldn't have been the highest priority on their priority list. I don't think players drafted by Phoenix are very likely to reach their potential. They always seem to have a ton of lottery picks that don't develop. Some, like Chriss, seem to get worse the longer they are on the team. Like I said, Jackson deserves to be there, but hopefully he can get it together because he has the talent to be an exciting player in the league.
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thought he was a special talent and hoped we would draft him.
Oops.
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Gulp .... :-X.....whew that was close .
At one point I was in favor of taki g him . Until i really studied Tatums games . Tatum made basketball,look easy .....in. the same way Simmons does .
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The Suns do a pathetic job of developing young players. Jackson deserves to be there based on his predraft behavior, but he and his agent should have known that playing time shouldn't have been the highest priority on their priority list. I don't think players drafted by Phoenix are very likely to reach their potential. They always seem to have a ton of lottery picks that don't develop. Some, like Chriss, seem to get worse the longer they are on the team. Like I said, Jackson deserves to be there, but hopefully he can get it together because he has the talent to be an exciting player in the league.
Devin Booker and Ty Warren have done a nice job developing. Maybe even Alex Len too.
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I drafted him 4th in a fantasy league. He started off relatively well, but has gotten progressively worse. Seems like he may even be starting out of necessity right now w/ injuries and a horrible team. He has a lot of weaknesses and really needs to bulk up just to impact the game with his athleticism and versatility alone.
wait, what?
is it like a 30 team league or something
Guessing there was a supplemental rookie draft. I got Tatum with the 4th pick in the rookie draft of my keeper league!
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I was all in for Tatum (and other shooters other than Fultz) so Jackson never made my wish list though I feared he would be on Danny's. Otherwise, wanted Tatum over Fultz and to avoid Ball like the plague given his bizarrely slow shooting style. Would also have been happy trading down for SAC's two picks (5&10) at the time IF we could get Markkenan at 10.
Tatum is the obvious star of this class though (see link below comparing the 2017 NBA draft class stats) and is better than I expected. I think Tatum has to be taking more shots myself in this offense and that he will by the time the playoffs roll around assuming he doesn't hit the dreaded rookie wall.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2017.html
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I drafted him 4th in a fantasy league. He started off relatively well, but has gotten progressively worse. Seems like he may even be starting out of necessity right now w/ injuries and a horrible team. He has a lot of weaknesses and really needs to bulk up just to impact the game with his athleticism and versatility alone.
wait, what?
is it like a 30 team league or something
Guessing there was a supplemental rookie draft. I got Tatum with the 4th pick in the rookie draft of my keeper league!
Did Jackson go before Tatum or did someone get crazy?
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I drafted him 4th in a fantasy league. He started off relatively well, but has gotten progressively worse. Seems like he may even be starting out of necessity right now w/ injuries and a horrible team. He has a lot of weaknesses and really needs to bulk up just to impact the game with his athleticism and versatility alone.
wait, what?
is it like a 30 team league or something
Guessing there was a supplemental rookie draft. I got Tatum with the 4th pick in the rookie draft of my keeper league!
I've done a 15 slot keeper league where you kept 12 players, so the draft was only 3 rounds. In that leagues the rookies were almost always the only players taken in the first round (and sometimes the 2nd round) of the 3 round draft.
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We knew he was raw and he's on a terrible team and organization. It definitely makes our decision seem even smarter than it already does but let's not bury the kid yet.
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Remember when he & his agent played games with the Celtics pre draft?
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Remember when he & his agent played games with the Celtics pre draft?
Um, that's 90% of why this thread exists here.
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Remember when he & his agent played games with the Celtics pre draft?
Um, that's 90% of why this thread exists here.
I know. It was rhetorical.
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Jackson has potential. It's hard to say how a guy's career will go after their rookie year. Some guys have very underwhelming rookie seasons but get progressively better each season after that (e.g. Gordon Hayward) while others have tremendous rookie seasons then fail to get better afterwards (e.g. Tyreke Evans, Michael Carter-Williams, etc.)
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The Suns do a pathetic job of developing young players. Jackson deserves to be there based on his predraft behavior, but he and his agent should have known that playing time shouldn't have been the highest priority on their priority list. I don't think players drafted by Phoenix are very likely to reach their potential. They always seem to have a ton of lottery picks that don't develop. Some, like Chriss, seem to get worse the longer they are on the team. Like I said, Jackson deserves to be there, but hopefully he can get it together because he has the talent to be an exciting player in the league.
This is the thing that irritated me the most. For some young guys (and some not so young), the calculation is simple: Get PT so you can put up big enough numbers to qualify you for a bigger contract. Jackson seems to think of himself as in the 'elite' category but like is said: Water reaches its own level.
55% FT shooting is terrible. I don't care how new you are to the NBA, shooting free throws is a fundamental job requirement to being a professional basketball player. IMO, it is completely unrelated to 'game slowing down for him'.
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Remember when he & his agent played games with the Celtics pre draft?
It was bush league but if we'd actually drafted him he'd probably be in the G-League or riding the bench.
From a development perspective it was probably the best move for him. And if there was any chance whatsoever we might take him over Tatum we should probably be glad for it.
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Stuck between:
Praising the Cs for picking the only non-disappointment in the top 4 of that draft.
Criticizing fans/media for being so tough on rookies just because Tatum is outperforming expectations.
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I drafted him 4th in a fantasy league. He started off relatively well, but has gotten progressively worse. Seems like he may even be starting out of necessity right now w/ injuries and a horrible team. He has a lot of weaknesses and really needs to bulk up just to impact the game with his athleticism and versatility alone.
wait, what?
is it like a 30 team league or something
Guessing there was a supplemental rookie draft. I got Tatum with the 4th pick in the rookie draft of my keeper league!
Did Jackson go before Tatum or did someone get crazy?
Just seeing this.
It went
Ball
Fultz
Fox
Tatum
Jackson
(same guy had 2 & 3)
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https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/12/21/16805300/josh-jackson-phoenix-suns-struggles
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A team with no infrastructure and no organizational culture, an interim head coach, lots of young guys fighting for spotlight, etc. Really just a bad situation for player development.
They need to take some drastic steps to avoid Phoenix becoming another Sacramento.
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I wonder how close we were to taking Bender and Jackson. Glad we got who we did
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I'm always curious when I look at teams like the Suns why they don't say, OK, let's make sure that a solid 5-6 roster spots are filled with veterans who are professional, pass the ball, space the floor, and don't try to hog the spotlight.
I think a lot of the time these rebuilding teams have too many younger guys fighting for a role and not enough structure. Especially when the coach is kind of in a weak position (e.g. interim coach) and the veterans on the team probably tend to feel that they are being underutilized and could help a better team win games.
Like, if you're the Suns, this is the core of your rebuild right now:
Booker
Jackson
Bender
Warren
Chriss
Ulis
In terms of vets, they have Chandler, Dudley, and Monroe. They're probably hoping to flip Monroe for additional assets at the deadline. Chandler and Dudley may be mostly untradeable given their contracts.
That's 9 roster spots.
If I were them, I'd fill the rest of the team with veteran role players on minimum type deals. Look for Euroleague guys if you have to. I would want the back end of my roster to be comprised of guys who know how to play professional ball and who also know they aren't going to ever be more than role players, but maybe also are looking to prove they can have a role in the NBA.
I think that's especially important when you spent a top 5 pick on a teenager from Eastern Europe who speaks little English and doesn't have the type of game that's going to demand touches from equally young and raw teammates.