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Idea: Swap with Philly
« on: January 05, 2020, 01:17:53 AM »

Offline nostar

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Preface:
   I probably would not do this
   I imagine neither team would do this

Idea:
   Kemba Walker and Jaylen Brown
       for
   Ben Simmons and Al Horford

Reasoning for C's:
Ben Simmons is extremely talented, younger than Kemba, and has vastly more defensive potential. The shooting on the C's could provide the kind of rangy offense that Simmons needs around him to thrive. Additionally, we get to put Horford back in our system that successfully utilized his skill sets in the past.

Reasoning for 76ers:
Kemba is a way better fit for their team right now, both as a P+R operator with Embiid and as a spot up shooter when Embiid is on the block. They also get Jaylen, who is turning in to a very viable 2nd/3rd option.

Proposed starting rosters:
  Celtics: Simmons/Smart/Hayward/Tatum/Horford
  76ers:   Kemba/Brown/Richardson/Harris/Embiid

The main reason I wouldn't do this is that I'm not convinced that Simmons is better than Brown, long term. One could argue that Kemba for Horford is somewhat fair, considering the history of point guards over 30. I'm not that worried about Kemba over the life of his contract, but I wouldn't blame someone else for thinking it would be negative value toward the end. There is also something in my head about Kemba being an important personality on our team. Hard to account for chemistry, but I really enjoy how positive our team seems this year -- and Kemba is at least some of the reason why.

From a salary standpoint I don' think this could happen until next year. Brown and Simmons are both on poison pill contracts this year, so trading them is problematic. It was just and idea that stuck with me enough to post about it. Feel free to lob tomatoes.

Re: Idea: Swap with Philly
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2020, 01:22:38 AM »

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This makes us worse while making Philly title favourites. Can't emphasise enough how much I would dislike this trade for us.
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Re: Idea: Swap with Philly
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2020, 01:41:50 AM »

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This makes us worse while making Philly title favourites. Can't emphasise enough how much I would dislike this trade for us.
^this. I'm not moving those two unless Embiid is on the other side of the deal.
Jaylen Brown for All-NBA

Re: Idea: Swap with Philly
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2020, 02:08:59 AM »

Offline RockinRyA

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Nope. You just made the Sixers champs.

You took out our 2 best performing players for Sixers 2 culprits.

Re: Idea: Swap with Philly
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2020, 02:15:48 AM »

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Yeah. Wouldn't do this.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2020, 04:39:55 AM by Scottiej23 »

Re: Idea: Swap with Philly
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2020, 05:19:19 AM »

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This is just.... I mean.....What?!

Re: Idea: Swap with Philly
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2020, 05:40:52 AM »

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Huh ?
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Re: Idea: Swap with Philly
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2020, 05:48:54 AM »

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What amazes me is that you found so many things to explain why this works.....


Re: Idea: Swap with Philly
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2020, 08:11:54 AM »

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this turrible

we loose 40 points a game scoring and be in the same boat as Philly now ...no thanks

Re: Idea: Swap with Philly
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2020, 08:18:51 AM »

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Is it already April 1st?

Re: Idea: Swap with Philly
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2020, 08:42:05 AM »

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definitely gets on the nomination list for worst trade proposal of the season

Re: Idea: Swap with Philly
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2020, 08:48:55 AM »

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To more seriously discuss your proposal, I will mention that PHI trading Simmons for a player like Kemba would be an ideal scenario for them. I think Simmons still has sky-high potential, but a proven scoring PG would really benefit that team.

No idea why in the world we would do a Jaylen for Horford swap, but maybe you were just trying to match salaries (and bring in a big man that fits our scheme). That would be pretty horrific from a C's fan perspective.

In reading your post again, I guess you have it swapped (Kemba for Horford / Simmons for Brown). But Kemba is such a vastly superior player to Horford right now (and younger) that if not for Philly being our rivals, I think they would  and should seriously consider a Simmons for Kemba trade).
« Last Edit: January 05, 2020, 12:01:49 PM by jambr380 »

Re: Idea: Swap with Philly
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2020, 08:58:03 AM »

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What amazes me is that you found so many things to explain why this works.....

It's easy to explain why it works for the Celtics if you just leave put that we're losing Brown in the deal
I'm bitter.

Re: Idea: Swap with Philly
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2020, 09:46:09 AM »

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Quote
Preface:
   I probably would not do this
   I imagine neither team would do this

This is the most baffling part of the proposal for me, even more than the trade itself.  If you really feel this way, then why on earth would you post this?
Greg

Re: Idea: Swap with Philly
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2020, 09:51:18 AM »

Offline ihatelakers

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awful. simmons is one dimensional and horford is on the decline.im so glad after watching him this yr that he didn't except another contract from celts.the offseason looked dismal but it was actually a great one in every aspect for us.i wouldn't want any of them back after watching this team .