Al Horford has been mediocre. He doesnt deserve his salary

[Tr1boy]

This thread still gives me a chuckle.

Sixers had no real answer for Horford last night.  He was killing them multiple ways and its pretty apparent his importance as one the key cogs with the offensive sets.

Lets see Horford carry this team to a few road wins first

Ah yes, another contrived hoop for Horford to jump thru conceived by triboy.

Thats what you think

He needs to carry the team to some road wins in the playoffs first
 

[PhoSita]

Horford is having the best playoffs of his career this year.

He is exorcising the demons that question his ability to play in the playoffs.

Fair or not I think he'll still have a cloud over his playoff abilities in some people's minds until he has a good series against LeBron.

I love Horford and he is once again proving what a stellar playoff performer he is, but I don’t think anybody has ever considered him a true rival to LeBron. He likely needs to make a finals (which he will next year for sure), but actually beating LeBron as the main guy probably isn’t a necessity.

I've heard it mentioned many times that none of Horford's teams have challenged LeBron at all and therefore all those Hawks teams, of which Horford was the best player, were paper tigers. 

This is why I think many people have dismissed Horford's playoff accomplishments despite having won many playoff series and put up good numbers over multiple playoff runs.

I don't think that goes away until a team led by Horford takes a LeBron team to 6 or 7 games.

[Evantime34]

This thread still gives me a chuckle.

Sixers had no real answer for Horford last night.  He was killing them multiple ways and its pretty apparent his importance as one the key cogs with the offensive sets.

Lets see Horford carry this team to a few road wins first

Ah yes, another contrived hoop for Horford to jump thru conceived by triboy.

Thats what you think

He needs to carry the team to some road wins in the playoffs first
 

Al is the third best player on the Celtics roster when everyone is healthy.

Setting the bar as carrying your team to a road playoff win with your best two players out is ridiculous.

What other third banana would be able to win a series with a team's top two players out?

[Evantime34]

Horford is having the best playoffs of his career this year.

He is exorcising the demons that question his ability to play in the playoffs.

Fair or not I think he'll still have a cloud over his playoff abilities in some people's minds until he has a good series against LeBron.

I love Horford and he is once again proving what a stellar playoff performer he is, but I don’t think anybody has ever considered him a true rival to LeBron. He likely needs to make a finals (which he will next year for sure), but actually beating LeBron as the main guy probably isn’t a necessity.

I've heard it mentioned many times that none of Horford's teams have challenged LeBron at all and therefore all those Hawks teams, of which Horford was the best player, were paper tigers. 

This is why I think many people have dismissed Horford's playoff accomplishments despite having won many playoff series and put up good numbers over multiple playoff runs.

I don't think that goes away until a team led by Horford takes a LeBron team to 6 or 7 games.

Well if that doesn't happen this year then it won't happen at all. With Kyrie and Hayward healthy, as well as Tatum and Brown developing Horford won't be leading the Celtics again.

I think the root of the problem is he's always been the 2nd or 3rd best player on his team, but because of his contract people want best player on his team production. If that's your criteria then you will be disappointed by Al. If you think of him as someone the Celtics signed without giving up any assets or as a guy who helped convince Hayward to sign here then you are more likely to appreciate him.

[Tr1boy]

This thread still gives me a chuckle.

Sixers had no real answer for Horford last night.  He was killing them multiple ways and its pretty apparent his importance as one the key cogs with the offensive sets.

Lets see Horford carry this team to a few road wins first

Ah yes, another contrived hoop for Horford to jump thru conceived by triboy.

Thats what you think

He needs to carry the team to some road wins in the playoffs first
 

Al is the third best player on the Celtics roster when everyone is healthy.

Setting the bar as carrying your team to a road playoff win with your best two players out is ridiculous.

What other third banana would be able to win a series with a team's top two players out?

Thank you

Yet he is making "best" player money

Hence he is overpaid

[Fafnir]

Maximum FA contract with X years of service does not mean "best player money". There is no such thing as best player money.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

[Donoghus]

This thread still gives me a chuckle.

Sixers had no real answer for Horford last night.  He was killing them multiple ways and its pretty apparent his importance as one the key cogs with the offensive sets.

Lets see Horford carry this team to a few road wins first

Ah yes, another contrived hoop for Horford to jump thru conceived by triboy.

Thats what you think

He needs to carry the team to some road wins in the playoffs first
 

Not really.  You're just creating artificial bars to try & cover for some of your baffling logic on Horford that has been constantly blowing up in your face time after time.

Rather than accept defeat, you're choosing to double down with baffling nonsense.

[Fafnir]

I look forward to the resurrection of this thread in the coming seasons as his touches and natural decline occur to say "see I was right all along he's not even one of our all-stars now!"...

[PhoSita]

I think the root of the problem is he's always been the 2nd or 3rd best player on his team, but because of his contract people want best player on his team production.

I disagree with this.

To me he was always the best player on those Atlanta teams.  That's why this "Horford isn't worth the max" stuff has always been silly to me.

Best player on a 45+ win team that is competitive in the 1st round of the playoffs and beyond is TOTALLY worth a significant chunk of the cap.

He can't be the ONLY above average player on your roster, but he can definitely be the best player on a competitive team, albeit not a contending team.

[Eddie20]

Overreaction season is finally here.

I disliked Horford signing from day 1, especially length of deal

Since you also liked the Mickey selection since day 1, would you kindly be able to let me know how you feel about Yabusele so I know how that's going to turn out.

Thanks.

[Tr1boy]

This thread still gives me a chuckle.

Sixers had no real answer for Horford last night.  He was killing them multiple ways and its pretty apparent his importance as one the key cogs with the offensive sets.

Lets see Horford carry this team to a few road wins first

Ah yes, another contrived hoop for Horford to jump thru conceived by triboy.

Thats what you think

He needs to carry the team to some road wins in the playoffs first
 

Not really.  You're just creating artificial bars to try & cover for some of your baffling logic on Horford that has been constantly blowing up in your face time after time.

Rather than accept defeat, you're choosing to double down with baffling nonsense.

What kind of nonsense are you spitting out

You are deviating from the original post

Did I say he stinks? I said he has been mediocre (at that point of the season) when this thread went up

This was valid imo and in others opinion. Especially for the max money he makes

He has played better at the playoffs specifically at home. But can he do it away and help seal some wins?

A max player by definition should be someone that can do that from time to time. Not play well at home but look overwhelmed away

He didnt really look good at any of the games the Celts played vs Bucks in Milwaukee

Im not setting the bar up high to impossible levels. But considering how much he makes (max) the bar should be set higher

[Fafnir]

He can't be the ONLY above average player on your roster, but he can definitely be the best player on a competitive team, albeit not a contending team.

Yup.

The idea that players are worth the max as veteran FAs if they are MVP types intead of all-stars is a really bad way to look at the league. Especially when you have other lottery talent on the rookie scale. The value of talented rookies is it lets you spend on high level players elsewhere with that surplus. Whether its the max FA, the trade target with space, or a couple of high level role players.

[Donoghus]

This thread still gives me a chuckle.

Sixers had no real answer for Horford last night.  He was killing them multiple ways and its pretty apparent his importance as one the key cogs with the offensive sets.

Lets see Horford carry this team to a few road wins first

Ah yes, another contrived hoop for Horford to jump thru conceived by triboy.

Thats what you think

He needs to carry the team to some road wins in the playoffs first
 

Not really.  You're just creating artificial bars to try & cover for some of your baffling logic on Horford that has been constantly blowing up in your face time after time.

Rather than accept defeat, you're choosing to double down with baffling nonsense.

What kind of nonsense are you spitting out

You are deviating from the original post

Did I say he stinks? I said he has been mediocre (at that point of the season) when this thread went up

This was valid imo and in others opinion. Especially for the max money he makes

He has played better at the playoffs specifically at home. But can he do it away and help seal some wins?

A max player by definition should be someone that can do that from time to time. Not play well at home but look overwhelmed away

He didnt really look good at any of the games the Celts played vs Bucks in Milwaukee

Im not setting the bar up high to impossible levels. But considering how much he makes (max) the bar should be set higher

You accusing me of deviating from the point might be the biggest pot calling the kettle black statement I've heard in quite some time given the source.

Thanks for the laugh. 

[Tr1boy]

He can't be the ONLY above average player on your roster, but he can definitely be the best player on a competitive team, albeit not a contending team.

Yup.

The idea that players are worth the max as veteran FAs if they are MVP types intead of all-stars is a really bad way to look at the league. Especially when you have other lottery talent on the rookie scale. The value of talented rookies is it lets you spend on high level players elsewhere with that surplus. Whether its the max FA, the trade target with space, or a couple of high level role players.

Why is there little to no standard when it comes to max money at the nba ...this is how teams go bankrupt(or could) and bums like Melo are laughing all the way to the bank

I dont care for or buy the " just the way it is"

[Phantom255x]