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Title: Dwight Howard Signed by Wizards (updated Dwightmare thread)
Post by: Moranis on June 20, 2018, 09:40:49 AM
Howard for Mozgov and 2 future 2nd's. Hornets save money this year and Nets shave a year and now have 2 max slots next summer
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: hodgy03038 on June 20, 2018, 09:44:36 AM
Howard for Mozgov and 2 future 2nd's. Hornets save money this year and Nets shave a year and now have 2 max slots next summer

Sounds like a win for the Nets. A contender for Kyrie next year (boo)
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 20, 2018, 09:49:25 AM
If I'm the Nets, I release him. I don't want him anywhere near the culture I'm creating.

The Nets are a group of hard-working, hungry, young players. Dwight would bring bad habits in.

Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Monkhouse on June 20, 2018, 09:49:45 AM
Howard for Mozgov and 2 future 2nd's. Hornets save money this year and Nets shave a year and now have 2 max slots next summer

Sounds like a win for the Nets. A contender for Kyrie next year (boo)

I really don't understand why people think Kyrie is gonna leave Boston. Lol. The Nets of all places lol.

If I'm the Nets, I release him. I don't want him anywhere near the culture I'm creating.

The Nets are a group of hard-working, hungry, young players. Dwight would bring bad habits in.



If you've seen his recent interviews, you can tell he matured a lot. I don't know if he's still the same goofy and non sensible player he used to be, but Sean Marks doesn't make dumb decisions that would jeopardize his team. He's made solid choices so far. Lets give D-12 the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Big333223 on June 20, 2018, 09:50:05 AM
Dwight's 4th team in 4 years. His 6th team in 8 years. Traded for a dead contract and some 2nds. This is the guy I still think was MVP of the league in 2011. Yikes.

So the Nets have a ton of cap space now. Can they convince anyone to come? Do Lebron and Paul George want to play with Dwight in Brooklyn? Probably not.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: CelticSooner on June 20, 2018, 09:51:37 AM
If I'm the Nets, I release him. I don't want him anywhere near the culture I'm creating.

The Nets are a group of hard-working, hungry, young players. Dwight would bring bad habits in.

Sooner or later these teams will finally realize no one wants to play with the guy.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Monkhouse on June 20, 2018, 09:53:37 AM
But this is a coup for the Nets...

They not only lose one extra year of Mozgov... But they only lost two second rounders...

Lakers gave up D'Angelo Russell to get rid of Mozgov's LOL.

If Dwight has anything left, we'll see. At his worst he's 12-14 PPG/8-10 RPG type of guy.

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With the Dwight Howard trade, only Allen Crabbe will have a guaranteed contract for the Nets in 2019-20. The Nets could potentially have up to $60M+ in room next summer but will be contingent on the restricted free agency of D'Angelo Russell and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: mef730 on June 20, 2018, 09:54:24 AM
That's really gonna mess up our draft pick next year.

Sorry, forgot. Just got so used to saying that over the past few years every time the Nets made a move.

Mike
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Ed Hollison on June 20, 2018, 09:56:10 AM
If I'm the Nets, I release him. I don't want him anywhere near the culture I'm creating.

The Nets are a group of hard-working, hungry, young players. Dwight would bring bad habits in.

Couldn't agree more. This season is about developing young guys in the right environment. You don't want to risk that.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: hodgy03038 on June 20, 2018, 09:57:53 AM
Howard for Mozgov and 2 future 2nd's. Hornets save money this year and Nets shave a year and now have 2 max slots next summer

Sounds like a win for the Nets. A contender for Kyrie next year (boo)

I really don't understand why people think Kyrie is gonna leave Boston. Lol. The Nets of all places lol.

If I'm the Nets, I release him. I don't want him anywhere near the culture I'm creating.

The Nets are a group of hard-working, hungry, young players. Dwight would bring bad habits in.



If you've seen his recent interviews, you can tell he matured a lot. I don't know if he's still the same goofy and non sensible player he used to be, but Sean Marks doesn't make dumb decisions that would jeopardize his team. He's made solid choices so far. Lets give D-12 the benefit of the doubt.


I don't think he "is" leaving BUT since he is not signing an extension there is always the possibility if things change. That being said, it means that with the money and location that Brooklyn is a contender. I think that he is staying here but without being under contract there is the possibility. I would prefer no other possibility or contenders.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: action781 on June 20, 2018, 10:03:12 AM
I'm not concerned about Brooklyn as a 2019 free agent threat.  I don't see why two max free agents would want to sign to play in Brooklyn with Allen Crabbe, Caris Lavert, Jarrett Allen, Isaiah Whitehead and literally nobody else.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Monkhouse on June 20, 2018, 10:05:49 AM
I'm not concerned about Brooklyn as a 2019 free agent threat.  I don't see why two max free agents would want to sign to play in Brooklyn with Allen Crabbe, Caris Lavert, Jarrett Allen, Isaiah Whitehead and literally nobody else.

Good young coach, great system, and the benefit of playing in a big market team.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Phantom255x on June 20, 2018, 10:05:49 AM
So Dwight Howard, a guy who seemed to average 21/14 on a regular basis with Orlando, is 6-7 years later now getting traded for Mozgov and 2nd rounders. LOL how the mighty have fallen.

Also, June 20 is OFFICIALLY Trade Dwight Howard Day!  :laugh:

(ATL traded him away last summer on the same date lol)
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Monkhouse on June 20, 2018, 10:07:53 AM
So Dwight Howard, a guy who seemed to average 21/14 on a regular basis with Orlando, is 6-7 years later now getting traded for Mozgov and 2nd rounders. LOL how the mighty have fallen.

Also, June 20 is OFFICIALLY Trade Dwight Howard Day!  :laugh:

(ATL traded him away last summer on the same date lol)

Lol, TP. Hiliarious.

D-12 is still 12/8 type of guy, if he can buy into the system, gives him the chance to pad his stats. Plus with how weak the East could end up being, Nets might make the playoffs.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 20, 2018, 10:09:29 AM
But this is a coup for the Nets...

They not only lose one extra year of Mozgov... But they only lost two second rounders...

Lakers gave up D'Angelo Russell to get rid of Mozgov's LOL.

If Dwight has anything left, we'll see. At best he's 12-14 PPG/8-10 RPG type of guy.

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With the Dwight Howard trade, only Allen Crabbe will have a guaranteed contract for the Nets in 2019-20. The Nets could potentially have up to $60M+ in room next summer but will be contingent on the restricted free agency of D'Angelo Russell and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.

From a cap space point of view, it is a good deal.

I don't want to ruin what small hope I have of Russell, Crabbe, Lavert, or Dinwiddie becoming a solid starter fringe all-star because they pick up bad habits from the supremely talented but poor influence of Dwight Howard.

I always thought Dwight made the most sense next to Lebron. Plug him into the Thompson role.

Would the Cavs consider trading for Dwight?

Cavs get Dwight, Dinwiddie (or Russell), 29th pick
Nets get Thompson, Smith, 8th pick

Nets get their pick back and select whoever falls.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Phantom255x on June 20, 2018, 10:13:24 AM
So Dwight Howard, a guy who seemed to average 21/14 on a regular basis with Orlando, is 6-7 years later now getting traded for Mozgov and 2nd rounders. LOL how the mighty have fallen.

Also, June 20 is OFFICIALLY Trade Dwight Howard Day!  :laugh:

(ATL traded him away last summer on the same date lol)

Lol, TP. Hiliarious.

D-12 is still 12/8 type of guy, if he can buy into the system, gives him the chance to pad his stats. Plus with how weak the East could end up being, Nets might make the playoffs.

Maybe, and yes Dwight is still a great player (not a superstar, but great player). I mean, he put up like 17/12 last year I believe. That said, I'm starting to think he's simply a headcase in the locker room and both ATL and CHA were dying to get rid of him somehow (even for garbage).

But this is a coup for the Nets...

They not only lose one extra year of Mozgov... But they only lost two second rounders...

Lakers gave up D'Angelo Russell to get rid of Mozgov's LOL.

If Dwight has anything left, we'll see. At best he's 12-14 PPG/8-10 RPG type of guy.

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With the Dwight Howard trade, only Allen Crabbe will have a guaranteed contract for the Nets in 2019-20. The Nets could potentially have up to $60M+ in room next summer but will be contingent on the restricted free agency of D'Angelo Russell and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.

From a cap space point of view, it is a good deal.

I don't want to ruin what small hope I have of Russell, Crabbe, Lavert, or Dinwiddie becoming a solid starter fringe all-star because they pick up bad habits from the supremely talented but poor influence of Dwight Howard.

I always thought Dwight made the most sense next to Lebron. Plug him into the Thompson role.

Would the Cavs consider trading for Dwight?

Cavs get Dwight, Dinwiddie (or Russell), 29th pick
Nets get Thompson, Smith, 8th pick

Nets get their pick back and select whoever falls.

It's possible but it could also be a train wreck if Dwight doesn't "buy-in" to the system. Also I'm not sure Lebron sees the Cavaliers adding Dwight and thinks, "OH BOY I'M STAYING, CHAMPIONSHIP HERE WE COME!!!!"  :laugh:

That said though, I imagine it and frankly, I don't think Golden State would have any answer for Dwight especially if he's engaged and doesn't act like a headcase.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Monkhouse on June 20, 2018, 10:14:07 AM
But this is a coup for the Nets...

They not only lose one extra year of Mozgov... But they only lost two second rounders...

Lakers gave up D'Angelo Russell to get rid of Mozgov's LOL.

If Dwight has anything left, we'll see. At best he's 12-14 PPG/8-10 RPG type of guy.

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With the Dwight Howard trade, only Allen Crabbe will have a guaranteed contract for the Nets in 2019-20. The Nets could potentially have up to $60M+ in room next summer but will be contingent on the restricted free agency of D'Angelo Russell and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.

From a cap space point of view, it is a good deal.

I don't want to ruin what small hope I have of Russell, Crabbe, Lavert, or Dinwiddie becoming a solid starter fringe all-star because they pick up bad habits from the supremely talented but poor influence of Dwight Howard.

I always thought Dwight made the most sense next to Lebron. Plug him into the Thompson role.

Would the Cavs consider trading for Dwight?

Cavs get Dwight, Dinwiddie (or Russell), 29th pick
Nets get Thompson, Smith, 8th pick

Nets get their pick back and select whoever falls.

Think Walker is headed to the Cavs. Especially if PG resigns with OKC.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: gouki88 on June 20, 2018, 10:16:20 AM
How the mighty have fallen
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on June 20, 2018, 10:17:09 AM
Watch him get bought out, and then come to the Golden State Warriors for the MLE.

Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Donoghus on June 20, 2018, 10:18:51 AM
Still trying to figure this out from Charlotte's POV. 

Then again, it's Charlotte so there very well might be little logic to it.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Monkhouse on June 20, 2018, 10:19:28 AM
It seems like people were right tho.

Howard Beck reported that Hornets players were sick and tired of his "act."

Sad to see someone like him that has fallen so quickly.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on June 20, 2018, 10:19:38 AM
Still trying to figure this out from Charlotte's POV. 

Then again, it's Charlotte so there very well might be little logic to it.

It's Mitch Kupchak.

He probably still hates Dwight.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: manl_lui on June 20, 2018, 10:21:08 AM
Charlotte blowing it up?
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: kozlodoev on June 20, 2018, 10:22:43 AM
Charlotte blowing it up?
Wait, they have something there?  8)
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: tonydelk on June 20, 2018, 10:24:28 AM
You would think that after being traded so many times and rumors about attitude Howard would tone it down.  I guess getting paid 10+ million per year for so long you just don't care.  It's embarrassing for a player to be traded as a dump. 
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: manl_lui on June 20, 2018, 10:25:09 AM
Charlotte blowing it up?
Wait, they have something there?  8)

lol i actually really like kemba
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Phantom255x on June 20, 2018, 10:28:17 AM
Kemba will get traded next. Whether to Cleveland, or New York, or Utah... I'm guessing it likely happens sometime in the coming days (maybe even Draft Night itself).

That said CLE is in a bit of a pickle. Do they trade #8 for Kemba to convince Lebron to come back, or just use #8 on someone. Lebron hasn't really said anything to them apparently. If I'm CLE I do the latter. Lebron's screwed Cleveland (first time) and Miami right before leaving, don't fall for it again.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: GetLucky on June 20, 2018, 10:29:19 AM
Still trying to figure this out from Charlotte's POV. 

Then again, it's Charlotte so there very well might be little logic to it.

Charlotte was about $4 million over the luxury tax threshold. They get about $3.7 million under it with this trade. It's still a coup for the Nets, though.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Donoghus on June 20, 2018, 10:29:29 AM
So they take on an extra year of Mozgov salary in order to save money this upcoming season, correct?

But they'll still have a crap cap situation for the foreseeable future.

Nice job, Charlotte.  Continue to enjoy treadmill hell.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: GetLucky on June 20, 2018, 10:30:56 AM
So they take on an extra year of Mozgov salary in order to save money this upcoming season, correct?

But they'll still have a crap cap situation for the foreseeable future.

Nice job, Charlotte.  Continue to enjoy treadmill hell.

Exactly. Bad teams are bad for a reason, I guess. Seeing deals like this makes me more and more thankful for Danny Ainge.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Donoghus on June 20, 2018, 10:31:44 AM
Still trying to figure this out from Charlotte's POV. 

Then again, it's Charlotte so there very well might be little logic to it.

Charlotte was about $4 million over the luxury tax threshold. They get about $3.7 million under it with this trade. It's still a coup for the Nets, though.

Yeah, that's what I was able to gather.

Save some money now, continue to suck but not suck enough, and still show no real direction. 
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: RodyTur10 on June 20, 2018, 10:32:05 AM
Still trying to figure this out from Charlotte's POV. 

Then again, it's Charlotte so there very well might be little logic to it.

Charlotte is trying to save money and they don't really believe in their core. Mozgov earns 8 million less than Howard next year, so with this move they'll probably be able to stay under the tax. That will be the most important argument.

Howard might be a difficult personality in the locker room (although he had a good season i.m.o.) and they have a starting calibre center in Cody Zeller anyhow, so the loss isn't huge.

Charlotte probably is willing to trade anybody for the right price. They'd even part with Walker since his contract ends next year, but if not they will try to make the playoffs. The two second rounders can be seen as a slow start of a rebuild, but that will take years and the FO will know that so staying semi-relevant is their course. 

Edit: Couldn't Charlotte have gotten a better deal if they'd made a trade with Cleveland this winter? Tristan Thompson would still be a lot better than Mozgov (why did the Lakers give Mozgov a 64 million contract anyway???)
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: saltlover on June 20, 2018, 10:38:36 AM
I'm not concerned about Brooklyn as a 2019 free agent threat.  I don't see why two max free agents would want to sign to play in Brooklyn with Allen Crabbe, Caris Lavert, Jarrett Allen, Isaiah Whitehead and literally nobody else.

It’s potentially 3 max players.  Crabbe makes enough money to go a long way towards matching salaries. Get two free agents, and line up a trade for a third max player, either someone under contract or via a sign-and trade.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on June 20, 2018, 10:39:16 AM
Pretty drastic shift in the landscape of the East.

Are the Nets now on Kawhi's radar?  And if so, can we somehow upgrade to Joe Harris?

Something like Brown + 27 + salary for Harris?
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Mike Pemulis on June 20, 2018, 10:39:24 AM
Dwight should've be part of the b-boat crew, but after the olympics, no one picked him for their super teams. He became the outcast. He should be revered as the best player at his position of the b-boat generation. He made more Finals than Melo or CP but all I'll remember him for was being on the Magic team that disrupted the re-ignition of sports' greatest rivalry. Ironically, he's the remix of the '94 Magic team, just without ever having figured it out. To quote coach Jack O'Reilly, "now you're not even a has been, Bombay. You're a never was."
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: action781 on June 20, 2018, 10:42:01 AM
Kemba will get traded next. Whether to Cleveland, or New York, or Utah... I'm guessing it likely happens sometime in the coming days (maybe even Draft Night itself).

That said CLE is in a bit of a pickle. Do they trade #8 for Kemba to convince Lebron to come back, or just use #8 on someone. Lebron hasn't really said anything to them apparently. If I'm CLE I do the latter. Lebron's screwed Cleveland (first time) and Miami right before leaving, don't fall for it again.

Deal based on #8 for Kemba seems to make a ton of sense to me.  Charlotte could even pick up Larry Nance too by taking on one of Cavs bad contracts since Hornets are already going nowhere in the next two years with the deals they already have on hand.  At #8 there will be a player on the board (Trae Young, Porter, Bamba, Sexton) that could be a far better fit for a rebuilding timeline for Charlotte.

#8 + Larry Nance Jr + JR Smith for Kemba + Dwayne Bacon works
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: TheSundanceKid on June 20, 2018, 10:44:08 AM
I think this is a really smart trade by Brooklyn. Dwight wanted to go to the Nets a long time ago, gets his wish under very different circumstances. However I think it's a good opportunity for both sides.

As for 2019, I still believe Kawhi could go to New York, the Nets could well be a possibility. Marks has that Spurs connection too...
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Roy H. on June 20, 2018, 10:48:09 AM
Funny how the world works. Remember when D12 to the Nets was big news?
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Birdman on June 20, 2018, 10:49:38 AM
Wow..traded again..he must be a bad teammate
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: action781 on June 20, 2018, 10:51:01 AM
I'm not concerned about Brooklyn as a 2019 free agent threat.  I don't see why two max free agents would want to sign to play in Brooklyn with Allen Crabbe, Caris Lavert, Jarrett Allen, Isaiah Whitehead and literally nobody else.

It’s potentially 3 max players.  Crabbe makes enough money to go a long way towards matching salaries. Get two free agents, and line up a trade for a third max player, either someone under contract or via a sign-and trade.

OK.  I'm having trouble seeing what team will trade a max player for Allen Crabbe.  Brooklyn has no other assets to throw in, although I suppose something could develop this year (tough with no draft picks this year though).  I suppose in a S&T it is possible, but I just see it highly highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: hodgy03038 on June 20, 2018, 10:52:19 AM
Pretty drastic shift in the landscape of the East.

Are the Nets now on Kawhi's radar?  And if so, can we somehow upgrade to Joe Harris?

Something like Brown + 27 + salary for Harris?


(http://dreamsports.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/wut.png)
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Boris Badenov on June 20, 2018, 10:54:56 AM
I'm not concerned about Brooklyn as a 2019 free agent threat.  I don't see why two max free agents would want to sign to play in Brooklyn with Allen Crabbe, Caris Lavert, Jarrett Allen, Isaiah Whitehead and literally nobody else.

Good young coach, great system, and the benefit of playing in a big market team.

So, like the Celtics minus the good players?
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: trickybilly on June 20, 2018, 10:56:37 AM
My memory is tortured by wanting him for some reason after that year in Atlanta...

Dude is gonna STRUGGLE to get another contract after next year.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: saltlover on June 20, 2018, 10:57:23 AM
I'm not concerned about Brooklyn as a 2019 free agent threat.  I don't see why two max free agents would want to sign to play in Brooklyn with Allen Crabbe, Caris Lavert, Jarrett Allen, Isaiah Whitehead and literally nobody else.

It’s potentially 3 max players.  Crabbe makes enough money to go a long way towards matching salaries. Get two free agents, and line up a trade for a third max player, either someone under contract or via a sign-and trade.

OK.  I'm having trouble seeing what team will trade a max player for Allen Crabbe.  Brooklyn has no other assets to throw in, although I suppose something could develop this year (tough with no draft picks this year though).  I suppose in a S&T it is possible, but I just see it highly highly unlikely.

No, I mean in the summer of 2019.  At that point Crabbe will be an expiring and they’ll have their own lottery pick to dangle, as well as future picks and some other okay prospects.  So if they line up a deal, they can sign two max FA’s outright and then get a third via trade.

I should note I don’t think this is probable, but they’ve done a good job being patient and taking their medicine the last few years, so they can offer a clean slate to stars looking for a big market.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Birdman on June 20, 2018, 11:03:09 AM
Pretty drastic shift in the landscape of the East.

Are the Nets now on Kawhi's radar?  And if so, can we somehow upgrade to Joe Harris?

Something like Brown + 27 + salary for Harris?
seriously??
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: greece66 on June 20, 2018, 11:05:05 AM
I see Kupchak takes tanking very seriously
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Fafnir on June 20, 2018, 11:05:13 AM
Still trying to figure this out from Charlotte's POV. 

Then again, it's Charlotte so there very well might be little logic to it.
Its all about dodging the luxury tax.

Their salary books are UGLY:

Howard 23.5
Batum 24
Marvin Williams 14
MKG 13
Cody Zeller 12.5
Kemba 12
Lamb 7

The Howard/Batum/Wiliams/MKG/Zeller contracts total out to 87 million for not a lot of production yikes.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Fafnir on June 20, 2018, 11:06:24 AM
This is them admitting that they're stuck with Batum and aren't going to compete for the playoffs in all odds.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: celticsclay on June 20, 2018, 11:08:36 AM
But this is a coup for the Nets...

They not only lose one extra year of Mozgov... But they only lost two second rounders...

Lakers gave up D'Angelo Russell to get rid of Mozgov's LOL.

If Dwight has anything left, we'll see. At best he's 12-14 PPG/8-10 RPG type of guy.

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With the Dwight Howard trade, only Allen Crabbe will have a guaranteed contract for the Nets in 2019-20. The Nets could potentially have up to $60M+ in room next summer but will be contingent on the restricted free agency of D'Angelo Russell and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.

How is that his best when he averaged 16.5 and 12.5 last year
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Monkhouse on June 20, 2018, 11:10:02 AM
Pretty drastic shift in the landscape of the East.

Are the Nets now on Kawhi's radar?  And if so, can we somehow upgrade to Joe Harris?

Something like Brown + 27 + salary for Harris?


(http://dreamsports.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/wut.png)

Its tarheels.

He's probably hoping Kyrie leaves us to join Kawhi.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on June 20, 2018, 11:16:03 AM
Wow..traded again..he must be a bad teammate

It has to be Mitch Kupchak just convincing the Hornets board that he's not good to have in that locker room.

I could be very wrong, but I haven't read anything about him being a terrible teammate last year.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Monkhouse on June 20, 2018, 11:16:14 AM
But this is a coup for the Nets...

They not only lose one extra year of Mozgov... But they only lost two second rounders...

Lakers gave up D'Angelo Russell to get rid of Mozgov's LOL.

If Dwight has anything left, we'll see. At best he's 12-14 PPG/8-10 RPG type of guy.

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With the Dwight Howard trade, only Allen Crabbe will have a guaranteed contract for the Nets in 2019-20. The Nets could potentially have up to $60M+ in room next summer but will be contingent on the restricted free agency of D'Angelo Russell and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.

How is that his best when he averaged 16.5 and 12.5 last year

I meant to write at his worst, but gee thanks pointing out.

Also he took 11.2 FGA, one of his most attempts in his recent years. I don't know if the Nets would be okay with him taking too many shots, unless he can get back to his rare form and cleaning the glass more. I think he'll average realistically 14 PPG and at least 12 RPG, considering they have an uptempo offense.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: mef730 on June 20, 2018, 11:22:58 AM
If I'm the Nets, I release him. I don't want him anywhere near the culture I'm creating.

The Nets are a group of hard-working, hungry, young players. Dwight would bring bad habits in.

Can they simply release a guy that they just traded for? I didn't know that.

Mike
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: PhoSita on June 20, 2018, 11:23:22 AM
Dwight really is bizarro Tim Duncan.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: celticsclay on June 20, 2018, 11:35:02 AM
But this is a coup for the Nets...

They not only lose one extra year of Mozgov... But they only lost two second rounders...

Lakers gave up D'Angelo Russell to get rid of Mozgov's LOL.

If Dwight has anything left, we'll see. At best he's 12-14 PPG/8-10 RPG type of guy.

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With the Dwight Howard trade, only Allen Crabbe will have a guaranteed contract for the Nets in 2019-20. The Nets could potentially have up to $60M+ in room next summer but will be contingent on the restricted free agency of D'Angelo Russell and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.

How is that his best when he averaged 16.5 and 12.5 last year

I meant to write at his worst, but gee thanks pointing out.

Also he took 11.2 FGA, one of his most attempts in his recent years. I don't know if the Nets would be okay with him taking too many shots, unless he can get back to his rare form and cleaning the glass more. I think he'll average realistically 14 PPG and at least 12 RPG, considering they have an uptempo offense.

Wasn't trying to be to rude about it. I was surprised how good his numbers were last year to be honest. I would be interested in seeing what he can do in Brooklyn if they keep him.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Tr1boy on June 20, 2018, 11:35:37 AM
From superman to zero

Boy has he become obsolete very quickly
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Monkhouse on June 20, 2018, 11:41:59 AM
If I'm the Nets, I release him. I don't want him anywhere near the culture I'm creating.

The Nets are a group of hard-working, hungry, young players. Dwight would bring bad habits in.

Can they simply release a guy that they just traded for? I didn't know that.

Mike

Technically the trade isn't going to finalize under after July 1st, they would need to send out additional salary to match Howard's if they wish to do it earlier.

But this is a coup for the Nets...

They not only lose one extra year of Mozgov... But they only lost two second rounders...

Lakers gave up D'Angelo Russell to get rid of Mozgov's LOL.

If Dwight has anything left, we'll see. At best he's 12-14 PPG/8-10 RPG type of guy.

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With the Dwight Howard trade, only Allen Crabbe will have a guaranteed contract for the Nets in 2019-20. The Nets could potentially have up to $60M+ in room next summer but will be contingent on the restricted free agency of D'Angelo Russell and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.

How is that his best when he averaged 16.5 and 12.5 last year

I meant to write at his worst, but gee thanks pointing out.

Also he took 11.2 FGA, one of his most attempts in his recent years. I don't know if the Nets would be okay with him taking too many shots, unless he can get back to his rare form and cleaning the glass more. I think he'll average realistically 14 PPG and at least 12 RPG, considering they have an uptempo offense.

Wasn't trying to be to rude about it. I was surprised how good his numbers were last year to be honest. I would be interested in seeing what he can do in Brooklyn if they keep him.

Yeah I got a little salty, my apologies for snapping back.

Same here though. He had that awesome 29 pts/7 assists GSW game, and the Nets where he dropped 32/30.

But how far can a team go if he's your 2nd/3rd option? He stated post game during one loss that he felt like he should be getting more touches/focal point.

Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 20, 2018, 12:07:23 PM
way back when,  maybe before DH was traded to Lakers .....he really wanted to be a NET


Whelp .....here you are Dwight

your dream come true job . :D
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: SparzWizard on June 20, 2018, 12:28:06 PM
Oh dang, our Brooklyn from 2013/2014 suddenly went to becoming a potential superteam.

LeBron James, Paul George/Kawhi Leonard, and Dwight Howard in Brooklyn? Holy smokes.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: SparzWizard on June 20, 2018, 12:34:23 PM
Funny how the world works. Remember when D12 to the Nets was big news?

Yeah. Back before the era of small-ball and 3-point longball shooting existed.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: fairweatherfan on June 20, 2018, 01:11:32 PM
Has there ever been a more disposable future Hall of Famer? It's not like he's cooked yet.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 20, 2018, 01:14:42 PM
Funny that the 45th pick CHA receives is from the Tyler Zeller for Rashad Vaughn trade.  ;D
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Fafnir on June 20, 2018, 01:49:19 PM
Funny how the world works. Remember when D12 to the Nets was big news?

Yeah. Back before the era of small-ball and 3-point longball shooting existed.
Dwight was great in the 4 out one in system that SVG ran. He'd have been great in the current style of play as well.

He was undone by his back injury that sapped his athleticism. He's not close to what he was back then. Back then he was a quicker Gobert who was a terror on offense to handle.

You live with all the childish BS when he was all-nba and/or MVP level, now you don't bother.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: saltlover on June 20, 2018, 02:06:05 PM
Raise your hand if you’re entertaining the thought of Dwight being bought out and signing for the minimum...    :angel:
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: hodgy03038 on June 20, 2018, 02:09:52 PM
Raise your hand if you’re entertaining the thought of Dwight being bought out and signing for the minimum...    :angel:

Do you mean to anyone or by us?
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: saltlover on June 20, 2018, 02:12:00 PM
Raise your hand if you’re entertaining the thought of Dwight being bought out and signing for the minimum...    :angel:

Do you mean to anyone or by us?

By us.  Although in general I hope he gets bought out because that adds one center to the market, lowering the price of all others.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: CelticSooner on June 20, 2018, 02:14:07 PM
Raise your hand if you’re entertaining the thought of Dwight being bought out and signing for the minimum...    :angel:

Don't see Ainge going after a guy with his questionable character flaws.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: hodgy03038 on June 20, 2018, 02:18:37 PM
Raise your hand if you’re entertaining the thought of Dwight being bought out and signing for the minimum...    :angel:

Don't see Ainge going after a guy with his questionable character flaws.

I doubt it also but it does make me think. I don't think Dwight can handle being a backup or not being the "go to" guy.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: PhoSita on June 20, 2018, 02:39:45 PM
Funny how the world works. Remember when D12 to the Nets was big news?

Yeah. Back before the era of small-ball and 3-point longball shooting existed.
Dwight was great in the 4 out one in system that SVG ran. He'd have been great in the current style of play as well.

He was undone by his back injury that sapped his athleticism. He's not close to what he was back then. Back then he was a quicker Gobert who was a terror on offense to handle.

You live with all the childish BS when he was all-nba and/or MVP level, now you don't bother.


Yeah, Prime Dwight as I remember him had the ability to do what many of the low-skill physically-dominant centers of today struggle to do -- punish mismatches inside.  Dwight didn't have many moves at all down low but he was so strong it didn't matter, he could back down and take one step to the baseline, turn, and dunk over most smaller players.

Compare that to guys like Deandre, Gobert, Capela, Drummond etc who struggle to score efficiently around the basket unless they've got a clear lane rolling to the rim or are finishing an alley-oop.

There's certainly still room in the modern game for a big man that grabs 25% of available rebounds, finishes over 65% within 5 feet of the basket, and can easily go for 25-30 on 70% shooting if the opponent fails to put a pure big man with some size on him in the low post.

Problem is that it's a pretty high bar to clear.  Most rim running 5s in today's game are more in the Tyson Chandler mold, i.e. not much of a back to the basket game, struggle to shoot over 50% on post-ups even against much smaller players.

Plus of course, the big men with superstar talent coming into the league now aren't working on their back down game, they're trying to develop guard skills and a faceup game while they're still in college so they can hit outside shots and attack closeouts a la Anthony Davis or Karl Towns.  It makes sense to develop those skills.

But I'm kind of hoping that we see a 7 foot, 280 pound physical freak enter the league who can absolutely kill defenders inside.  And I don't mean one who likes to rely on fade-aways and step-backs like Joel Embiid.  I mean a guy who does what Dwight used to do, i.e. catch, turn and dunk within 3-4 seconds if the guy defending him wasn't an absolute tree.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 20, 2018, 05:28:59 PM
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The Hornets will also create a $7.8M trade exception as @AlbertNahmad noted.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1009444026515419136
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: celticsclay on June 20, 2018, 05:53:52 PM
Funny how the world works. Remember when D12 to the Nets was big news?

Yeah. Back before the era of small-ball and 3-point longball shooting existed.
Dwight was great in the 4 out one in system that SVG ran. He'd have been great in the current style of play as well.

He was undone by his back injury that sapped his athleticism. He's not close to what he was back then. Back then he was a quicker Gobert who was a terror on offense to handle.

You live with all the childish BS when he was all-nba and/or MVP level, now you don't bother.


Yeah, Prime Dwight as I remember him had the ability to do what many of the low-skill physically-dominant centers of today struggle to do -- punish mismatches inside.  Dwight didn't have many moves at all down low but he was so strong it didn't matter, he could back down and take one step to the baseline, turn, and dunk over most smaller players.

Compare that to guys like Deandre, Gobert, Capela, Drummond etc who struggle to score efficiently around the basket unless they've got a clear lane rolling to the rim or are finishing an alley-oop.

There's certainly still room in the modern game for a big man that grabs 25% of available rebounds, finishes over 65% within 5 feet of the basket, and can easily go for 25-30 on 70% shooting if the opponent fails to put a pure big man with some size on him in the low post.

Problem is that it's a pretty high bar to clear.  Most rim running 5s in today's game are more in the Tyson Chandler mold, i.e. not much of a back to the basket game, struggle to shoot over 50% on post-ups even against much smaller players.

Plus of course, the big men with superstar talent coming into the league now aren't working on their back down game, they're trying to develop guard skills and a faceup game while they're still in college so they can hit outside shots and attack closeouts a la Anthony Davis or Karl Towns.  It makes sense to develop those skills.

But I'm kind of hoping that we see a 7 foot, 280 pound physical freak enter the league who can absolutely kill defenders inside.  And I don't mean one who likes to rely on fade-aways and step-backs like Joel Embiid.  I mean a guy who does what Dwight used to do, i.e. catch, turn and dunk within 3-4 seconds if the guy defending him wasn't an absolute tree.

Yeah Embid could be unstoppable down low. I don't know why he is obsessed with shooting 3's. i mean i think it is great he can have the threat, but he seems to want to camp out there.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: saltlover on June 20, 2018, 05:58:45 PM
Funny how the world works. Remember when D12 to the Nets was big news?

Yeah. Back before the era of small-ball and 3-point longball shooting existed.
Dwight was great in the 4 out one in system that SVG ran. He'd have been great in the current style of play as well.

He was undone by his back injury that sapped his athleticism. He's not close to what he was back then. Back then he was a quicker Gobert who was a terror on offense to handle.

You live with all the childish BS when he was all-nba and/or MVP level, now you don't bother.


Yeah, Prime Dwight as I remember him had the ability to do what many of the low-skill physically-dominant centers of today struggle to do -- punish mismatches inside.  Dwight didn't have many moves at all down low but he was so strong it didn't matter, he could back down and take one step to the baseline, turn, and dunk over most smaller players.

Compare that to guys like Deandre, Gobert, Capela, Drummond etc who struggle to score efficiently around the basket unless they've got a clear lane rolling to the rim or are finishing an alley-oop.

There's certainly still room in the modern game for a big man that grabs 25% of available rebounds, finishes over 65% within 5 feet of the basket, and can easily go for 25-30 on 70% shooting if the opponent fails to put a pure big man with some size on him in the low post.

Problem is that it's a pretty high bar to clear.  Most rim running 5s in today's game are more in the Tyson Chandler mold, i.e. not much of a back to the basket game, struggle to shoot over 50% on post-ups even against much smaller players.

Plus of course, the big men with superstar talent coming into the league now aren't working on their back down game, they're trying to develop guard skills and a faceup game while they're still in college so they can hit outside shots and attack closeouts a la Anthony Davis or Karl Towns.  It makes sense to develop those skills.

But I'm kind of hoping that we see a 7 foot, 280 pound physical freak enter the league who can absolutely kill defenders inside.  And I don't mean one who likes to rely on fade-aways and step-backs like Joel Embiid.  I mean a guy who does what Dwight used to do, i.e. catch, turn and dunk within 3-4 seconds if the guy defending him wasn't an absolute tree.

Yeah Embid could be unstoppable down low. I don't know why he is obsessed with shooting 3's. i mean i think it is great he can have the threat, but he seems to want to camp out there.

If you’d played all of 130 games over 5 years (including college and the playoffs) due to injury, you might want to protect your health and stay on the perimeter a bit extra as well.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: mef730 on June 20, 2018, 06:05:23 PM
Somewhere back in time, there is a thread in which A LOT of CBers were upset that we got stuck with Horford instead of Dwight...

Mike
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Phantom255x on June 20, 2018, 06:09:36 PM
Somewhere back in time, there is a thread in which A LOT of CBers were upset that we got stuck with Horford instead of Dwight...

Mike

I think we should instead thank Dwight for getting Horford here. Feels like once ATL signed Dwight, Horford's time in ATL was over. Despite Woj scaring us that day, it always felt like he was considering between WAS and BOS that day AFTER Howard signed in ATL. It's also telling IMO that the Hawks and Hornets have dumped him for garbage each of the last two years, and that Horford was NOT willing to play alongside him. Makes me wonder if Horford is here in Boston if Atlanta didn't sign Howard.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Erik on June 20, 2018, 06:32:50 PM
Oh God I remember this.

Being a Celtics fan from Orlando (hate the Magic), I was torn between the Magic getting a haul from the Nets and the Lakers getting Dwight Howard. Either way, I was miserable.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Beat LA on June 20, 2018, 06:36:06 PM
Pretty drastic shift in the landscape of the East.

Are the Nets now on Kawhi's radar?  And if so, can we somehow upgrade to Joe Harris?

Something like Brown + 27 + salary for Harris?

Lol, TP ;D. No way that Brooklyn accepts that trade without the addition of Rozier, though ;) ::) ;D.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 20, 2018, 07:11:40 PM
Funny how the world works. Remember when D12 to the Nets was big news?

Yeah. Back before the era of small-ball and 3-point longball shooting existed.
Dwight was great in the 4 out one in system that SVG ran. He'd have been great in the current style of play as well.

He was undone by his back injury that sapped his athleticism. He's not close to what he was back then. Back then he was a quicker Gobert who was a terror on offense to handle.

You live with all the childish BS when he was all-nba and/or MVP level, now you don't bother.


Yeah, Prime Dwight as I remember him had the ability to do what many of the low-skill physically-dominant centers of today struggle to do -- punish mismatches inside.  Dwight didn't have many moves at all down low but he was so strong it didn't matter, he could back down and take one step to the baseline, turn, and dunk over most smaller players.

Compare that to guys like Deandre, Gobert, Capela, Drummond etc who struggle to score efficiently around the basket unless they've got a clear lane rolling to the rim or are finishing an alley-oop.

There's certainly still room in the modern game for a big man that grabs 25% of available rebounds, finishes over 65% within 5 feet of the basket, and can easily go for 25-30 on 70% shooting if the opponent fails to put a pure big man with some size on him in the low post.

Problem is that it's a pretty high bar to clear.  Most rim running 5s in today's game are more in the Tyson Chandler mold, i.e. not much of a back to the basket game, struggle to shoot over 50% on post-ups even against much smaller players.

Plus of course, the big men with superstar talent coming into the league now aren't working on their back down game, they're trying to develop guard skills and a faceup game while they're still in college so they can hit outside shots and attack closeouts a la Anthony Davis or Karl Towns.  It makes sense to develop those skills.

But I'm kind of hoping that we see a 7 foot, 280 pound physical freak enter the league who can absolutely kill defenders inside.  And I don't mean one who likes to rely on fade-aways and step-backs like Joel Embiid.  I mean a guy who does what Dwight used to do, i.e. catch, turn and dunk within 3-4 seconds if the guy defending him wasn't an absolute tree.

Yeah Embid could be unstoppable down low. I don't know why he is obsessed with shooting 3's. i mean i think it is great he can have the threat, but he seems to want to camp out there.
Embiid isn't obsessed with shooting 3s.  He shot 3.4 threes out of 16.8 attempts and that doesn't include the shot attempts where he drew fouls (7.4 FTAs).   On a per minutes basis he shot fewer threes last season (3.4 in 30.3 min) last season than he did the prior season (3.2 threes in 25.4 min). 

I do think Embiid settles for jumpers and has a higher turnover rate when he gets tired.  He's having to carry too much of a load.  His usage rate 33.9% during the regular season (players with 40+ games played) was 2nd in the league behind Harden and just ahead of Westbrook.  Embiid has to create too much himself.  The Sixers were towards the bottom of the league in P&R attempts.   
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Birdman on June 21, 2018, 06:56:27 AM
Just read on Yahoo that the Charlotte players did not likechim and were sick and tired of his act...shocking!!! Everywhere he went we heard this..he must be a royal pain in the rear!!
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 21, 2018, 02:19:49 PM
https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1009859962569482240?s=21

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Dwight Howard and Brooklyn will negotiate a buyout to enter free-agency, league sources tell ESPN.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: jpotter33 on June 21, 2018, 02:21:53 PM
https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1009859962569482240?s=21

Quote
Dwight Howard and Brooklyn will negotiate a buyout to enter free-agency, league sources tell ESPN.

Uh, call me crazy, but I’d take a vet minimum or smaller deal flyer on Howard, especially if we lose Baynes in free agency.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: CelticSooner on June 21, 2018, 02:22:24 PM
Looks like Dwightmare will be bought out. The question is which team will be foolish enough to pick up this locker room cancer next?
Title: Dwight Howard: FA target?
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 21, 2018, 02:23:21 PM
https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1009859962569482240?s=21

Quote
Dwight Howard and Brooklyn will negotiate a buyout to enter free-agency, league sources tell ESPN.

 :D
Title: Re: Dwight Howard: FA target?
Post by: CelticsElite on June 21, 2018, 02:27:06 PM
If he wants to ring chase, we can give him the full MLE and he can fill the Baynes role

It’s time. I want to see this guy in green
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4b7PPReDAPg/Uc851AVnEfI/AAAAAAAAA4o/BlIcA6LUN3Y/s763/dwight.jpg)
Title: Re: Dwight Howard: FA target?
Post by: celticinorlando on June 21, 2018, 02:29:43 PM
God no. He is a team killer.
Title: Re: Dwight Howard: FA target?
Post by: manl_lui on June 21, 2018, 02:31:46 PM
If he wants to ring chase, we can give him the full MLE and he can fill the Baynes role

It’s time. I want to see this guy in green
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4b7PPReDAPg/Uc851AVnEfI/AAAAAAAAA4o/BlIcA6LUN3Y/s763/dwight.jpg)

I'm down, as is, this team is capable to reaching finals, with Dwight needs to understand, on this team he isn't even the first 4 option, if he mess up, he's getting his butt shipped out of town
Title: Re: Dwight Howard: FA target?
Post by: fairweatherfan on June 21, 2018, 02:32:02 PM
No thanks. Gonna be funny watching the meltdowns when he goes to the Warriors though.
Title: Re: Dwight Howard: FA target?
Post by: pearljammer10 on June 21, 2018, 02:36:12 PM
I don't even get how this is being brought up as a possibility right now. Dude has been shipped to four teams in four years. It is repeatedly said that everyone inside his locker rooms dislike him. He's a great talent don't get me wrong, but he's such a head case with his whining and his demands...We don't need that here.
Title: Re: Dwight Howard: FA target?
Post by: Monkhouse on June 21, 2018, 02:36:25 PM
I know you guys don't like him, but he's certainly a huge upgrade over Baynes... I also know Horford has had issues with him in the past, but Howard/Horford would be an awesome team. He may kill our spacing, but you cannot discredit that he's still an excellent player.
Title: Re: Dwight Howard: FA target?
Post by: jpotter33 on June 21, 2018, 02:37:25 PM
Depends on the Baynes situation. If Baynes ends up going elsewhere, then I’d dedinitely take a flyer on him for a cheaper contract. Otherwise, I’m not sure that we’d want him having Horford, Baynes, and Theis all available; him not getting playing time would be no bueno.
Title: Re: Dwight Howard: FA target?
Post by: MJohnnyboy on June 21, 2018, 02:37:59 PM
On paper, it would make a lot of sense. I think Dwight would be an excellent fit next to Horford because he would gobble up the rebounds that Horford can't get and he's great in the pick and roll. But that's precisely the risk.

Howard still thinks he should be the man, which means he won't want to run pick and roll and probably means he won't want an even lesser role in Boston. I don't see the Celtics starting him if they were to pick him up, which would probably p--- him off more than anything.

Howard would be a great second big to have right now, but he's a massive gamble.

We also have to factor his history with Al.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsoNy8fiOAs
Title: Re: Dwight Howard: FA target?
Post by: CelticsElite on June 21, 2018, 02:38:54 PM
I don't even get how this is being brought up as a possibility right now. Dude has been shipped to four teams in four years. It is repeatedly said that everyone inside his locker rooms dislike him. He's a great talent don't get me wrong, but he's such a head case with his whining and his demands...We don't need that here.
do you have a linked source showing proof that locker rooms hate Dwight? I’m pretty well read on him and have never read this from any reliable source
Title: Re: Dwight Howard: FA target?
Post by: byennie on June 21, 2018, 02:40:06 PM
If he's suddenly willing to be a role player on a contender, then he's a big upgrade on Greg Monroe. All depends on how he slots in.
Title: Re: Dwight Howard: FA target?
Post by: manl_lui on June 21, 2018, 02:42:12 PM
I don't even get how this is being brought up as a possibility right now. Dude has been shipped to four teams in four years. It is repeatedly said that everyone inside his locker rooms dislike him. He's a great talent don't get me wrong, but he's such a head case with his whining and his demands...We don't need that here.
do you have a linked source showing proof that locker rooms hate Dwight? I’m pretty well read on him and have never read this from any reliable source

There has been an article today or maybe yesterday from Brandan Haywood who's played with MKG and Kemba and said the locker room in Charlotte hates him, unsure how reliable he is or if he stays in deep contact with them but, also the issue with Kobe and articles with Harden it may seem he has some mental issues on the court, but i agree with others that if he is willing to step down as a role player and accept that, he is indeed an upgrade over Baynes
Title: Re: Dwight Howard: FA target?
Post by: saltlover on June 21, 2018, 02:44:54 PM
I would absolutely take him at the minimum.  Depending on the buyout he might not need much more, since amounts in excess could go back to the Nets.

That said, I forgot Horford May have a beef with him (and based on Dwights rep it could be a legitimate one), so that trumps all.
Title: Re: Dwight Howard: FA target?
Post by: Big333223 on June 21, 2018, 02:45:30 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/bkGXLpEXC6Tsc/giphy-downsized.gif)
Title: Re: Dwight Howard: FA target?
Post by: Chief Macho on June 21, 2018, 02:48:41 PM
on the court he would appear perfect,  but he's such an asshat i wonder if he even gets a job.   who would want him at this point?   his talent doesn't outweigh his headache.
Title: Re: Dwight Howard: FA target?
Post by: ManUp on June 21, 2018, 02:48:44 PM
I voted yes, but on second thought no.

His game is what we need, but I don't want to add him to our locker room.

He just seems to rub teams and their players the wrong way.
Title: Re: Dwight Howard: FA target?
Post by: Fafnir on June 21, 2018, 02:50:36 PM
Nope.

Flashing back to when I wanted Dwight very much when the C's had a method to create cap room back when he could have come in FA with his opt out. Bullet dodged.
Title: Re: Dwight Howard: FA target?
Post by: action781 on June 21, 2018, 02:50:44 PM
This is interesting because he says his whole goal is to help a team win a championship.  There are only so many of those teams out there and even fewer who Dwight would be an improvement over at center.  Also interesting that he says "...I still can contribute and I can contribute in any system" which leads me to believe that some of his preferred teams have systems that he is not a conventional fit for.

I think Golden State, Washington, and Milwaukee are the most likely destinations.  Portland, Boston, or NO as the other possibilities.  Add LAC in there if they can trade for Kawhi and let DeAndre walk.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: Big333223 on June 21, 2018, 02:51:14 PM
https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1009859962569482240?s=21

Quote
Dwight Howard and Brooklyn will negotiate a buyout to enter free-agency, league sources tell ESPN.

Uh, call me crazy, but I’d take a vet minimum or smaller deal flyer on Howard, especially if we lose Baynes in free agency.

I get that, on paper. But in reality, the C's would be his 5th team in 4 years (I'm counting Brooklyn) and every team that has gotten rid of him has been dying to do so. The last 3 (Atlanta, Charlotte, and now Brooklyn) have eaten money just to get him away from their teams.

So no, I'll pass.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: CelticSooner on June 21, 2018, 02:59:52 PM
The guy has a talent the C's could really use but there's a reason he's being passed around like a collection plate...
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: action781 on June 21, 2018, 03:02:04 PM
If LAC traded 12, 13, Harris for Kawhi and let Deandre walk, that would be very interesting.

They'd have Kawhi $20M, Gallo $21M starting as forwards.  Dwight for lets say ~$5M at center.  They could feasibly trade away some of their smaller 1-year contracts as needed like Boban, Dekker, and Wes Johnson to sign Paul George or LBJ to a max contract and have Beverly start at point guard with Lou Williams off the bench.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Roy H. on June 21, 2018, 03:02:17 PM
I would have a hard time rooting for that clown.

The only way I do it: a non-guaranteed contract, and every single member of the team and coaching staff signs off on it.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Jiri Welsch on June 21, 2018, 03:04:48 PM
I would have a hard time rooting for that clown.

The only way I do it: a non-guaranteed contract, and every single member of the team and coaching staff signs off on it.

In other words, it’s not worth it!
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: johnnygreen on June 21, 2018, 03:05:07 PM
If Danny and Brad sit down with Dwight to recruit him and discuss his role on the team, then I don't see an issue. Especially if Dwight buys in to what Brad wants to use him for during the season and accepts the MLE (although I'm not certain if the Celtics even have that option available). His last three seasons, he went from Houston to Atlanta and then Charlotte. The last two teams he played on were not good. Maybe he just wants to get back to being on a winning team, and will sacrifice FGA and concentrate more on offensive rebounding and put backs. The guy still pulls down over 12 rebounds per game, which is an area that can only help the Celtics.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Chief Macho on June 21, 2018, 03:05:15 PM
I wonder if Kyrie could keep him in check.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: LilRip on June 21, 2018, 03:06:40 PM
We need his skills but he has too much baggage. So as crazy as it sounds, I’ll pass.

Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: johnnygreen on June 21, 2018, 03:08:13 PM
https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1009859962569482240?s=21

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Dwight Howard and Brooklyn will negotiate a buyout to enter free-agency, league sources tell ESPN.

Uh, call me crazy, but I’d take a vet minimum or smaller deal flyer on Howard, especially if we lose Baynes in free agency.

I get that, on paper. But in reality, the C's would be his 5th team in 4 years (I'm counting Brooklyn) and every team that has gotten rid of him has been dying to do so. The last 3 (Atlanta, Charlotte, and now Brooklyn) have eaten money just to get him away from their teams.

So no, I'll pass.

It's one thing to be the 4th option or so on a really good team. It is a totally different thing to be a former MVP level type of player, and not feel like you should be the 1 or 2 option on a really bad team (like Atlanta, Charlotte, or Brooklyn).
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: CelticsElite on June 21, 2018, 03:08:43 PM
If Danny and Brad sit down with Dwight to recruit him and discuss his role on the team, then I don't see an issue. Especially if Dwight buys in to what Brad wants to use him for during the season and accepts the MLE (although I'm not certain if the Celtics even have that option available). His last three seasons, he went from Houston to Atlanta and then Charlotte. The last two teams he played on were not good. Maybe he just wants to get back to being on a winning team, and will sacrifice FGA and concentrate more on offensive rebounding and put backs. The guy still pulls down over 12 rebounds per game, which is an area that can only help the Celtics.
exactly

If he ends up being bad on the locker room, you cut him. He will be signed on a 1 yr contract most likely


I really don’t see much risk in signing  Howard
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: action781 on June 21, 2018, 03:15:41 PM
The idea of him being passed around from team to team because nobody likes him is not entirely accurate.  Yes there are reports of him having issues at all these places (often after he has left), but those are not the reason he has moved from team to team.

1. Orlando traded him to LA because they were unsure if he'd resign and they wanted to get some value back in the likely event that he left.
2. He opted to pass down the 5 year $118M max contract from LAL and sign for less in Houston.
3. He declined a player option in Houston, which Houston tried to convince him to exercise to stay, to enter free agency where Atlanta offered him a 3 year, $70M contract.
4. The Atlanta team was not a real contender from the beginning -- Schroeder, Bazemore, Korver, Millsap, Howard was their starting 5 -- and when they decided to trade away Millsap because they didn't think it would be wise to resign him as a free agent the upcoming offseason, they were even lesser of a contender and dealing Dwight made a lot of sense strategically going into a rebuild.
5. Charlotte too was never a real contender, they obviously realize they don't want to pay tax for a non-contender and this was the first move of what's likely a complete blow up.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: cons on June 21, 2018, 03:18:21 PM
i think baynes may be better. can shoot the 3.  no locker room trouble at all.
 
interesting choice but i'd stick w baynes.

unless we cant afford him and get dwight cheap since hes a buyout.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on June 21, 2018, 03:24:37 PM
He's going to the Warriors.

They need an answer to Clint Capela, they'll try to see if they can fit him in.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Birdman on June 21, 2018, 03:43:15 PM
Guy can play..i sign to a one year deal and if he is a problem, cut him...plus i think he would sign here cause it may be his last chance to get a ring
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on June 21, 2018, 04:05:19 PM
I'd rather have Dwight than LeBron from a rooting perspective.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: blackbird on June 21, 2018, 04:14:16 PM
Didn't Al Horford sign here (for less money) because Atlanta traded for Howard?

If Al doesn't want to play with him, I don't want him.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: celticinorlando on June 21, 2018, 04:16:01 PM
Please God no:

NBC Sports Boston

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Blakely: Celtics one of several teams to vie for Dwight Howard. http://bit.ly/2K6CXiY  @ASherrodblakely
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Monkhouse on June 21, 2018, 04:18:32 PM
Didn't Al Horford sign here (for less money) because Atlanta traded for Howard?

If Al doesn't want to play with him, I don't want him.

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    Factor No. 1, according to league sources: Horford was none too pleased with how reluctant the Hawks were to come forward with a full five-year max. Factor No. 2: Atlanta’s signing of Dwight Howard. Could there be a more contradicting force in the NBA to Horford than Howard, in terms of substance vs. style?

    “He didn’t want to play with Dwight,” a person familiar with the situation told CBS Sports.

Horford was also ticked off at how it took them so long to decide whether or not to throw him the 5 year max. He mentioned a long time ago, that he believed the discounts he took meant he would get the max he felt he deserved equally. A while ago, the Hawks were contemplating giving Josh Smith a max, to which Horford begrudgingly was okay with, but that definitely made him upset.

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Hawks believed Horford's heart was with them, would accept last offer. Horford dropped demand of full 5-year max but sides never closed gap.

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    Horford’s father, Tito, said in a telephone interview Saturday night that his son had narrowed his choices down to the Hawks and the Celtics. As the family discussed the options, the conversation often returned to the uncommon passion of Boston’s fans.

    In Atlanta, support at home games was sometimes tepid, despite the fact that the Hawks had gone 108-56 over the last two years.

    “There wasn’t as much motivation for him when he saw all the empty seats when they were winning,” Tito Horford said. “He said to me, ‘Dad, when we were playing Boston, they were down 15 points and they were cheering their team like they were winning the game. They’re so into the game.’ This is special for us, especially for him.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Phantom255x on June 21, 2018, 04:18:36 PM
I mean, even if we signed him for minimum and it didn't work out, the C's could just dump him or release him middle of the season, right? It wouldn't be that risky IMO. Not saying I'd bring him in but I'll trust Ainge and CBS here.

He may be a headcase but he still can average 16/12 to this day. If he wants to ring-chase and come off the bench (or start some games), I'd be fine with it. Ainge will definitely do his due diligence and explore and maybe talk to some guys on the team/staff.

Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on June 21, 2018, 04:19:00 PM
Please God no:

NBC Sports Boston

Verified account
 
@NBCSBoston
 11m11 minutes ago
More
Blakely: Celtics one of several teams to vie for Dwight Howard. http://bit.ly/2K6CXiY  @ASherrodblakely



So, that means we aren't? 😂
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: mahonedog88 on June 21, 2018, 04:19:01 PM
I'd rather have Baynes, but at this point in both of their careers, I think Baynes could actually end up costing more money than Dwight Howard, which is crazy to think about given the 2 players.

Since this will be his 4th team in 4 years, and that it's coming out now that the Hornets players and coaches "got tired of his act"...I don't know how he signs for anything other than the vet minimum.  And if that's all it will cost, I honestly wouldn't mind taking a flyer.  Because then if Stevens or Ainge starts to sense even in the littlest bit that things are starting to go awry in the locker room, just release him.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: celticinorlando on June 21, 2018, 04:21:09 PM
IF Howard would come on the cheap maybe..but you would lose Baynes and lose leadership.

Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: saltlover on June 21, 2018, 04:24:16 PM
Didn't Al Horford sign here (for less money) because Atlanta traded for Howard?

If Al doesn't want to play with him, I don't want him.

Al was annoyed that the Hawks didn’t offer him a full max deal and felt they were prioritizing Dwight.  It’s unclear as to whether he didn’t want to play with Dwight — I’ve heard it both ways.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: celticinorlando on June 21, 2018, 04:25:33 PM
I do not see Howard signing somewhere where he comes off the bench...and he will be coming off the bench in Boston.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: bdm860 on June 21, 2018, 04:26:05 PM
I'd rather have Baynes, but at this point in both of their careers, I think Baynes could actually end up costing more money than Dwight Howard, which is crazy to think about given the 2 players.

If anything, having another legit C available on the free agent market could help weaken the market for Baynes a little through simple supply and demand.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Monkhouse on June 21, 2018, 04:27:59 PM
Didn't Al Horford sign here (for less money) because Atlanta traded for Howard?

If Al doesn't want to play with him, I don't want him.

Al was annoyed that the Hawks didn’t offer him a full max deal and felt they were prioritizing Dwight.  It’s unclear as to whether he didn’t want to play with Dwight — I’ve heard it both ways.

First off, don't understand why people are believing Hornets players words like its gospel. Everyone with the exception of Walker, and maybe Lamb sucked; to put it lightly. Of course, they are going to get angry at the fact someone like Howard can just come in and take their shots, and score, when literally 3/4 of the roster just didn't do a good job.

Watching some dreadful Hornets game with a few friends from NC, they were disgusted at how discombobulated the chemistry was. No one trusted each other, MKG was disappointing once again, and only Walker/Howard seemed to know how to score.

Secondly, if Ainge picks up Howard, it is with the approval of everyone on the team.

We're here to win. Howard is simply a better player than Baynes.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on June 21, 2018, 04:29:02 PM
So who goes to the bench? Everyone says could be a baynes replacement without realizing without injuries he would be coming off the bench and he knew and accepted that from the start! I'm not putting the kids on the bench for DH. If he'd come off the bench fine. We could have gold in these two kids if we keep them, we have to keep them happy and no one as good as they are and could be wants to come off the bench they will leave as soon as they can. Keep them happy over what DH could bring (UNLESS he agrees to come off the bench), he is on his way out of the league, every other starter we have are either at, near or years away from their primes which makes them more important to keep happy (AH doesn't count because he is better and that's all I need to say)!
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: celticsclay on June 21, 2018, 04:31:48 PM
The ringer made an interesting point about how Vince carter used to be a pretty bad teammate with lots of individual accolades but has now become a very good locker room guy after being humbled
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: celticsclay on June 21, 2018, 04:34:26 PM
I would be ok if brown came off the bench. His offensive ability would be great off the bench and we have so much offense with Irving Hayward horford and Tatum already.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Phantom255x on June 21, 2018, 04:35:27 PM
We sure we can't add Howard AND keep Baynes??

I mean... what if Baynes came back at non-taxpayer raise (around 6M) and Howard signed with another exception (vet. minimum maybe)? Howard's already making like 23-24M next year as is lol.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: fairweatherfan on June 21, 2018, 04:36:06 PM
The ringer made an interesting point about how Vince carter used to be a pretty bad teammate with lots of individual accolades but has now become a very good locker room guy after being humbled

Yeah but I think Vince was never really comfortable being a superstar and just wanted to play ball.  He seems to have no problem chugging away in Sacramento for example. Dwight has always been a clown who craved attention and the spotlight.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: celticinorlando on June 21, 2018, 04:36:59 PM
Would you start Howard and shift Al to the 4? Brown the 6th man?

Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets
Post by: celticsclay on June 21, 2018, 04:38:23 PM
Funny how the world works. Remember when D12 to the Nets was big news?

Yeah. Back before the era of small-ball and 3-point longball shooting existed.
Dwight was great in the 4 out one in system that SVG ran. He'd have been great in the current style of play as well.

He was undone by his back injury that sapped his athleticism. He's not close to what he was back then. Back then he was a quicker Gobert who was a terror on offense to handle.

You live with all the childish BS when he was all-nba and/or MVP level, now you don't bother.


Yeah, Prime Dwight as I remember him had the ability to do what many of the low-skill physically-dominant centers of today struggle to do -- punish mismatches inside.  Dwight didn't have many moves at all down low but he was so strong it didn't matter, he could back down and take one step to the baseline, turn, and dunk over most smaller players.

Compare that to guys like Deandre, Gobert, Capela, Drummond etc who struggle to score efficiently around the basket unless they've got a clear lane rolling to the rim or are finishing an alley-oop.

There's certainly still room in the modern game for a big man that grabs 25% of available rebounds, finishes over 65% within 5 feet of the basket, and can easily go for 25-30 on 70% shooting if the opponent fails to put a pure big man with some size on him in the low post.

Problem is that it's a pretty high bar to clear.  Most rim running 5s in today's game are more in the Tyson Chandler mold, i.e. not much of a back to the basket game, struggle to shoot over 50% on post-ups even against much smaller players.

Plus of course, the big men with superstar talent coming into the league now aren't working on their back down game, they're trying to develop guard skills and a faceup game while they're still in college so they can hit outside shots and attack closeouts a la Anthony Davis or Karl Towns.  It makes sense to develop those skills.

But I'm kind of hoping that we see a 7 foot, 280 pound physical freak enter the league who can absolutely kill defenders inside.  And I don't mean one who likes to rely on fade-aways and step-backs like Joel Embiid.  I mean a guy who does what Dwight used to do, i.e. catch, turn and dunk within 3-4 seconds if the guy defending him wasn't an absolute tree.

Yeah Embid could be unstoppable down low. I don't know why he is obsessed with shooting 3's. i mean i think it is great he can have the threat, but he seems to want to camp out there.
Embiid isn't obsessed with shooting 3s.  He shot 3.4 threes out of 16.8 attempts and that doesn't include the shot attempts where he drew fouls (7.4 FTAs).   On a per minutes basis he shot fewer threes last season (3.4 in 30.3 min) last season than he did the prior season (3.2 threes in 25.4 min). 

I do think Embiid settles for jumpers and has a higher turnover rate when he gets tired.  He's having to carry too much of a load.  His usage rate 33.9% during the regular season (players with 40+ games played) was 2nd in the league behind Harden and just ahead of Westbrook.  Embiid has to create too much himself.  The Sixers were towards the bottom of the league in P&R attempts.

Jesus tazz I've heard a lifetime of 76ers pr from you the last few years. Save the responses for other people because at this point it's just a waste of both of our time
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: celticsclay on June 21, 2018, 04:41:05 PM
Would you start Howard and shift Al to the 4? Brown the 6th man?

I just floated this idea. The teams that do have a big center left usually do start them (then shift to small ball later in game). I think that could work
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: celticinorlando on June 21, 2018, 04:42:19 PM
Would you start Howard and shift Al to the 4? Brown the 6th man?

I just floated this idea. The teams that do have a big center left usually do start them (then shift to small ball later in game). I think that could work

Would be interesting because Al likes playing the 4 much more than the 5...and it gives Boston a legit shooter off the bench in Brown...
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: saltlover on June 21, 2018, 04:47:03 PM
Would you start Howard and shift Al to the 4? Brown the 6th man?

I just floated this idea. The teams that do have a big center left usually do start them (then shift to small ball later in game). I think that could work

I timed out trying to say something similar.  I would probably make it more situational, and only start him against teams with a traditional 5 (assuming everyone is healthy).  It would definitely help decrease the wear on Al.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Monkhouse on June 21, 2018, 04:48:05 PM
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“I want to be in a situation where I have an opportunity to help a team win,” Howard told ESPN’s Chris Haynes. “That’s my only goal. All I need is a real chance and a clean slate where it’s not people talking about my past.”

Howard also told ESPN that he feels that he’s coming off a season during which he played some of the best basketball of his career.

“This year was an opportunity for me to show what type of player I am and where I can go,” he said. “This season I made the most jumps shots that I’ve made my whole career. I’ve improved my pick-and-pops. My [isolation] numbers are very high. I’m in a position where I can still dominate on the post, but I can do more things now because I understand the game on a different level. Furthermore, I still want to continue developing and growing as a player.”

“I felt like this year was a resurgence for me and the biggest reason is because I’m healthy,” he told ESPN. “I didn’t have any problems this whole year. My whole goal is to come back next season, improve and try to win a championship for my team.”

He's saying all the right things, so I'm hoping he has shaped up his attitude.

If he's willing to sign with the Celtics, it's a no-brainer. Someone like him can give small ball teams fits on defense.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: celticsclay on June 21, 2018, 04:50:28 PM
Would you start Howard and shift Al to the 4? Brown the 6th man?

I just floated this idea. The teams that do have a big center left usually do start them (then shift to small ball later in game). I think that could work

I timed out trying to say something similar.  I would probably make it more situational, and only start him against teams with a traditional 5 (assuming everyone is healthy).  It would definitely help decrease the wear on Al.

Tps all around fellas!
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Monkhouse on June 21, 2018, 04:51:01 PM
Would you start Howard and shift Al to the 4? Brown the 6th man?

I just floated this idea. The teams that do have a big center left usually do start them (then shift to small ball later in game). I think that could work

I timed out trying to say something similar.  I would probably make it more situational, and only start him against teams with a traditional 5 (assuming everyone is healthy).  It would definitely help decrease the wear on Al.

Tps all around fellas!

Where's mine? :(

You think we should go after him?
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Birdman on June 21, 2018, 04:51:07 PM
C--Howard
PF-Horford
SF-Tatum
SG-Hayward
PG-Irving

C--Baynes
PF-Theis
SF-Brown
SG-Smart
PG-Rozier

Geez..this team win around 70
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Monkhouse on June 21, 2018, 04:53:55 PM
C--Howard
PF-Horford
SF-Tatum
SG-Hayward
PG-Irving

C--Baynes
PF-Theis
SF-Brown
SG-Smart
PG-Rozier

Geez..this team win around 70

Think we would win around 66-67 realistically.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: saltlover on June 21, 2018, 04:56:07 PM
Would you start Howard and shift Al to the 4? Brown the 6th man?

I just floated this idea. The teams that do have a big center left usually do start them (then shift to small ball later in game). I think that could work

I timed out trying to say something similar.  I would probably make it more situational, and only start him against teams with a traditional 5 (assuming everyone is healthy).  It would definitely help decrease the wear on Al.

Tps all around fellas!

Where's mine? :(

You think we should go after him?

Don’t worry, he didn’t give me one either, but I’ll hit you up.   ;D

I think that the Celtics front office has way better information on him to ultimately make that call, but if he signed with Boston I would be excited on account of trusting their decision-making process and not needing to do something risky.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: celticsclay on June 21, 2018, 04:58:26 PM
Would you start Howard and shift Al to the 4? Brown the 6th man?

I just floated this idea. The teams that do have a big center left usually do start them (then shift to small ball later in game). I think that could work

I timed out trying to say something similar.  I would probably make it more situational, and only start him against teams with a traditional 5 (assuming everyone is healthy).  It would definitely help decrease the wear on Al.

Tps all around fellas!

Where's mine? :(

You think we should go after him?

Don’t worry, he didn’t give me one either, but I’ll hit you up.   ;D

I think that the Celtics front office has way better information on him to ultimately make that call, but if he signed with Boston I would be excited on account of trusting their decision-making process and not needing to do something risky.

I got everyone now. The forum gave me the ol timeout
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Monkhouse on June 21, 2018, 04:58:27 PM
Would you start Howard and shift Al to the 4? Brown the 6th man?

I just floated this idea. The teams that do have a big center left usually do start them (then shift to small ball later in game). I think that could work

I timed out trying to say something similar.  I would probably make it more situational, and only start him against teams with a traditional 5 (assuming everyone is healthy).  It would definitely help decrease the wear on Al.

Tps all around fellas!

Where's mine? :(

You think we should go after him?

Don’t worry, he didn’t give me one either, but I’ll hit you up.   ;D

I think that the Celtics front office has way better information on him to ultimately make that call, but if he signed with Boston I would be excited on account of trusting their decision-making process and not needing to do something risky.

Same here, back at ya.

And I do trust Ainge's decision to voice it to everyone on the team. Ainge may be a cold blooded assassin when creating/molding rosters, but he is generally considered by most Celtics, a great guy/reasonable GM.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 21, 2018, 04:58:40 PM
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“I want to be in a situation where I have an opportunity to help a team win,” Howard told ESPN’s Chris Haynes. “That’s my only goal. All I need is a real chance and a clean slate where it’s not people talking about my past.”

Howard also told ESPN that he feels that he’s coming off a season during which he played some of the best basketball of his career.

“This year was an opportunity for me to show what type of player I am and where I can go,” he said. “This season I made the most jumps shots that I’ve made my whole career. I’ve improved my pick-and-pops. My [isolation] numbers are very high. I’m in a position where I can still dominate on the post, but I can do more things now because I understand the game on a different level. Furthermore, I still want to continue developing and growing as a player.”

“I felt like this year was a resurgence for me and the biggest reason is because I’m healthy,” he told ESPN. “I didn’t have any problems this whole year. My whole goal is to come back next season, improve and try to win a championship for my team.”

He's saying all the right things, so I'm hoping he has shaped up his attitude.

If he's willing to sign with the Celtics, it's a no-brainer. Someone like him can give small ball teams fits on defense.

He started out saying all the right things when he arrived in Atlanta and Charlotte

Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: SparzWizard on June 21, 2018, 05:06:14 PM
Didn't Al Horford sign here (for less money) because Atlanta traded for Howard?

If Al doesn't want to play with him, I don't want him.

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    Factor No. 1, according to league sources: Horford was none too pleased with how reluctant the Hawks were to come forward with a full five-year max. Factor No. 2: Atlanta’s signing of Dwight Howard. Could there be a more contradicting force in the NBA to Horford than Howard, in terms of substance vs. style?

    “He didn’t want to play with Dwight,” a person familiar with the situation told CBS Sports.

Horford was also ticked off at how it took them so long to decide whether or not to throw him the 5 year max. He mentioned a long time ago, that he believed the discounts he took meant he would get the max he felt he deserved equally. A while ago, the Hawks were contemplating giving Josh Smith a max, to which Horford begrudgingly was okay with, but that definitely made him upset.

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Hawks believed Horford's heart was with them, would accept last offer. Horford dropped demand of full 5-year max but sides never closed gap.

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    Horford’s father, Tito, said in a telephone interview Saturday night that his son had narrowed his choices down to the Hawks and the Celtics. As the family discussed the options, the conversation often returned to the uncommon passion of Boston’s fans.

    In Atlanta, support at home games was sometimes tepid, despite the fact that the Hawks had gone 108-56 over the last two years.

    “There wasn’t as much motivation for him when he saw all the empty seats when they were winning,” Tito Horford said. “He said to me, ‘Dad, when we were playing Boston, they were down 15 points and they were cheering their team like they were winning the game. They’re so into the game.’ This is special for us, especially for him.

Ah yes I remember 2 summers ago. Horford was sold out by the Hawks. He made the right decision coming to Boston. Atlanta fans be booing him every time he touches the ball. Hypocritical fans.

If only that also persuaded Kevin Durant to come here, too...
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: celticinorlando on June 21, 2018, 05:08:46 PM
16 and 12 last season..not bad at all with a bad Hornets team

And Boston needs a legit big to play Embiid. Imagine Al, Howard, Baynes, Theis all guarding Embiid. It would give him fits.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: SparzWizard on June 21, 2018, 05:09:33 PM
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“I want to be in a situation where I have an opportunity to help a team win,” Howard told ESPN’s Chris Haynes. “That’s my only goal. All I need is a real chance and a clean slate where it’s not people talking about my past.”

Howard also told ESPN that he feels that he’s coming off a season during which he played some of the best basketball of his career.

“This year was an opportunity for me to show what type of player I am and where I can go,” he said. “This season I made the most jumps shots that I’ve made my whole career. I’ve improved my pick-and-pops. My [isolation] numbers are very high. I’m in a position where I can still dominate on the post, but I can do more things now because I understand the game on a different level. Furthermore, I still want to continue developing and growing as a player.”

“I felt like this year was a resurgence for me and the biggest reason is because I’m healthy,” he told ESPN. “I didn’t have any problems this whole year. My whole goal is to come back next season, improve and try to win a championship for my team.”

He's saying all the right things, so I'm hoping he has shaped up his attitude.

If he's willing to sign with the Celtics, it's a no-brainer. Someone like him can give small ball teams fits on defense.

I'll give him a shot for the cheap. But the moment he opens his mouth in the locker room clowning around, he gone. He ain't the Orlando Dwight Howard anymore, nor the Los Angeles Dwight Howard. I expect him to have a Kawhi-like attitude and just go out and play, go back in the shower room to shower, support/congratulating teammates and leave the building for the night or practice. Repeat, recycle.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: SparzWizard on June 21, 2018, 05:10:51 PM
C--Howard
PF-Horford
SF-Tatum
SG-Hayward
PG-Irving

C--Baynes
PF-Theis
SF-Brown
SG-Smart
PG-Rozier

Geez..this team win around 70

So you saying we gonna surpass '95 Bulls and '16 Warriors record?
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: footey on June 21, 2018, 05:11:03 PM
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“I want to be in a situation where I have an opportunity to help a team win,” Howard told ESPN’s Chris Haynes. “That’s my only goal. All I need is a real chance and a clean slate where it’s not people talking about my past.”

Howard also told ESPN that he feels that he’s coming off a season during which he played some of the best basketball of his career.

“This year was an opportunity for me to show what type of player I am and where I can go,” he said. “This season I made the most jumps shots that I’ve made my whole career. I’ve improved my pick-and-pops. My [isolation] numbers are very high. I’m in a position where I can still dominate on the post, but I can do more things now because I understand the game on a different level. Furthermore, I still want to continue developing and growing as a player.”

“I felt like this year was a resurgence for me and the biggest reason is because I’m healthy,” he told ESPN. “I didn’t have any problems this whole year. My whole goal is to come back next season, improve and try to win a championship for my team.”

He's saying all the right things, so I'm hoping he has shaped up his attitude.

If he's willing to sign with the Celtics, it's a no-brainer. Someone like him can give small ball teams fits on defense.

He started out saying all the right things when he arrived in Atlanta and Charlotte

But they're not Boston.  If he acts up, he'll sit or get cut.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: saltlover on June 21, 2018, 05:11:09 PM
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“I want to be in a situation where I have an opportunity to help a team win,” Howard told ESPN’s Chris Haynes. “That’s my only goal. All I need is a real chance and a clean slate where it’s not people talking about my past.”

Howard also told ESPN that he feels that he’s coming off a season during which he played some of the best basketball of his career.

“This year was an opportunity for me to show what type of player I am and where I can go,” he said. “This season I made the most jumps shots that I’ve made my whole career. I’ve improved my pick-and-pops. My [isolation] numbers are very high. I’m in a position where I can still dominate on the post, but I can do more things now because I understand the game on a different level. Furthermore, I still want to continue developing and growing as a player.”

“I felt like this year was a resurgence for me and the biggest reason is because I’m healthy,” he told ESPN. “I didn’t have any problems this whole year. My whole goal is to come back next season, improve and try to win a championship for my team.”

He's saying all the right things, so I'm hoping he has shaped up his attitude.

If he's willing to sign with the Celtics, it's a no-brainer. Someone like him can give small ball teams fits on defense.

I'll give him a shot for the cheap. But the moment he opens his mouth in the locker room clowning around, he gone. He ain't the Orlando Dwight Howard anymore, nor the Los Angeles Dwight Howard. I expect him to have a Kawhi-like attitude and just go out and play, go back in the shower room to shower, support/congratulating teammates and leave the building for the night or practice. Repeat, recycle.

Maybe you could have picked a different player as an example?
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: SparzWizard on June 21, 2018, 05:11:37 PM
16 and 12 last season..not bad at all with a bad Hornets team

And Boston needs a legit big to play Embiid. Imagine Al, Howard, Baynes, Theis all guarding Embiid. It would give him fits.

Baynes likely gone if Howard is here. Ship out Monroe too while you're at it, Ainge. The guy sucks.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Monkhouse on June 21, 2018, 05:11:44 PM
16 and 12 last season..not bad at all with a bad Hornets team

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That is why it is hard to blame Kemba. He was by far Charlotte’s best clutch player averaging 3.4 points in clutch time. The next highest was Dwight Howard with 1.6 (he made some big free throws this year, believe it or not). Walker also led the Hornets in clutch time assists with 0.5 assists in clutch situations. Kemba did only shoot 37 percent in clutch time and 81 percent from the line, but it’s hard when no one else is doing anything. There were times where Kemba could have taken a better shot or made an extra pass, and he did lead the Hornets in clutch time turnovers, but he was just a part of the problem.

On the positive side, Charlotte was third in clutch defense, which speaks to how bad there clutch offense was to lose that many close games. Five Hornet players posted positive plus/minus’ in clutch time. Dwayne Bacon, Jeremy Lamb, Treveon Graham, Dwight Howard and Kemba Walker. They are all at least solid defenders, willing passers in clutch situations and beside Dwight low turnover players. Hopefully, next season Graham, Lamb, and Bacon are on the team and get to play some minutes that matter; they are capable.

I mean it in the nicest way, it is amazing, and astounding that they managed to win 36 games.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 21, 2018, 05:14:30 PM
Nope, he is a dinosaur in the modern NBA...
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: SparzWizard on June 21, 2018, 05:15:29 PM
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“I want to be in a situation where I have an opportunity to help a team win,” Howard told ESPN’s Chris Haynes. “That’s my only goal. All I need is a real chance and a clean slate where it’s not people talking about my past.”

Howard also told ESPN that he feels that he’s coming off a season during which he played some of the best basketball of his career.

“This year was an opportunity for me to show what type of player I am and where I can go,” he said. “This season I made the most jumps shots that I’ve made my whole career. I’ve improved my pick-and-pops. My [isolation] numbers are very high. I’m in a position where I can still dominate on the post, but I can do more things now because I understand the game on a different level. Furthermore, I still want to continue developing and growing as a player.”

“I felt like this year was a resurgence for me and the biggest reason is because I’m healthy,” he told ESPN. “I didn’t have any problems this whole year. My whole goal is to come back next season, improve and try to win a championship for my team.”

He's saying all the right things, so I'm hoping he has shaped up his attitude.

If he's willing to sign with the Celtics, it's a no-brainer. Someone like him can give small ball teams fits on defense.

I'll give him a shot for the cheap. But the moment he opens his mouth in the locker room clowning around, he gone. He ain't the Orlando Dwight Howard anymore, nor the Los Angeles Dwight Howard. I expect him to have a Kawhi-like attitude and just go out and play, go back in the shower room to shower, support/congratulating teammates and leave the building for the night or practice. Repeat, recycle.

Maybe you could have picked a different player as an example?

Talking about Kawhi's relevant Spurs days before he became a prima donna this summer. IDK, maybe a Derrick Rose typa character. He seems quiet, too.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: celticinorlando on June 21, 2018, 05:16:07 PM
16 and 12 last season..not bad at all with a bad Hornets team

And Boston needs a legit big to play Embiid. Imagine Al, Howard, Baynes, Theis all guarding Embiid. It would give him fits.

Baynes likely gone if Howard is here. Ship out Monroe too while you're at it, Ainge. The guy sucks.

Wonder how much it would take to get Howard money wise
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Monkhouse on June 21, 2018, 05:19:09 PM
Nope, he is a dinosaur in the modern NBA...

For anything less than the MLE, I'll take it.

This is what Bazemore had to say about him.

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Atlanta Hawks guard Kent Bazemore played with Howard during the 2016-17 season.

"[Dwight's] gotten so much of a bad rap, but he's a great teammate," Bazemore told ESPN. "For such a long season, his energy and his laughing helps you get through. And if you're going through a tough stretch personally, it's good to have that type of person around. Before he signed in Atlanta, there was all this bad stuff said about him. ... I found that he has a good heart and he works hard every day to turn that perception around."
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Beat LA on June 21, 2018, 05:48:38 PM
He's going to the Warriors.

They need an answer to Clint Capela, they'll try to see if they can fit him in.

Oh god :o. I'm not so sure that Howard's lack of passing would work with the Warriors, but, man, if Golden State signed him, that would be the ultimate troll move in terms of sticking it to the Rockets, lol ;D.

Plus, a motivated Dwight going up against one of his former teams? :o Ugh.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: More Banners on June 21, 2018, 05:49:12 PM
Non-guaranteed minimum.

If he means what he says, he'd take it with thanks.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Hank Finkel on June 21, 2018, 06:15:05 PM
Is he better than Baynes?  And can we get him for cheap?  Two big questions.  I think he is better than Baynes and we can get him for cheap.  I would have faith in BS to fit him in to the system and help us win.  Just my two cents. 
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: arctic 3.0 on June 21, 2018, 06:16:02 PM
Keep baynes, forget Howard
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Phantom255x on June 21, 2018, 09:32:49 PM
If he's willing to sign for veteran minimum, then why not? If it doesn't work out and/or his presence in the locker room is really cancerous, then just dump him early on. Otherwise, if he's even a bit engaged and acts mature, could be a big get for us. Guy averaged 17 and 13 last year and even in limited minutes could probably average something like 12/10.

If we lose Baynes, we should look at this option, or we could re-sign Baynes AND bring in Howard. Our front court AND back court will look like elite units  8)
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 21, 2018, 09:44:26 PM
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This is what Bazemore had to say about him.

Too bad it doesn't translate into winning, eh?
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: BitterJim on June 21, 2018, 09:48:25 PM
I'm pretty sure Smart would either get in a fight with him or get him to quit within a week. I'd like to keep him and his attitude as far away from Jaylen and Jayson as possible
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: JBcat on June 21, 2018, 10:16:48 PM
I would like Howard replacing Monroe, and keeping Baynes.  We would be stacked with bigs with the maybe most important thing keeping Horford fresh for the playoffs.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: SparzWizard on June 21, 2018, 10:38:46 PM
Looks like by drafting Robert Williams, we are no longer interested in Dwight Howard?
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: hodgy03038 on June 21, 2018, 11:09:35 PM
Looks like by drafting Robert Williams, we are no longer interested in Dwight Howard?

tru Dat
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: JBcat on June 21, 2018, 11:49:36 PM
Looks like by drafting Robert Williams, we are no longer interested in Dwight Howard?

I say why not both.  Williams might not be ready for rotation minutes for a while, and Howard just put 16 and 12 last year.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: gouki88 on June 21, 2018, 11:53:27 PM
Looks like by drafting Robert Williams, we are no longer interested in Dwight Howard?

I say why not both.  Williams might not be ready for rotation minutes for a while, and Howard just put 16 and 12 last year.
I guess Baynes is a goner in this instance
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: MJohnnyboy on June 21, 2018, 11:59:05 PM
Looks like by drafting Robert Williams, we are no longer interested in Dwight Howard?

I say why not both.  Williams might not be ready for rotation minutes for a while, and Howard just put 16 and 12 last year.
I guess Baynes is a goner in this instance

From what I read, it sounds like re-signing Baynes will be a priority.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: MJohnnyboy on June 22, 2018, 12:12:37 AM
It may come down to this.

Would you rather sign Baynes, both a great fit and teammate, for the MLE or would you sign Dwight, a better player but substantially worse teammate, for the veteran's minimum?

You know what you're going to get with Baynes. A solid role player who is good for 15-20 minutes of bruising defense a night, and he'll be the first guy to cheer the team on from the bench. At the price of the mid-level exception, Baynes is the perfect backup big for this team.

On the other hand, you don't know what you're going to get with Dwight. He still is an above average player who is good for 25-30 minutes of terrific play on both sides of the floor, but that may come at the expense of a happy locker room. At the price of a veteran's minimum, Dwight is an overqualified backup big no matter where he goes.

Personally, I think that will be a tough decision for Danny.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: gouki88 on June 22, 2018, 12:14:11 AM
It may come down to this.

Would you rather sign Baynes, both a great fit and teammate, for the MLE or would you sign Dwight, a better player but substantially worse teammate, for the veteran's minimum?

You know what you're going to get with Baynes. A solid role player who is good for 15-20 minutes of bruising defense a night, and he'll be the first guy to cheer the team on from the bench. At the price of the mid-level exception, Baynes is the perfect backup big for this team.

On the other hand, you don't know what you're going to get with Dwight. He still is an above average player who is good for 25-30 minutes of terrific play on both sides of the floor, but that may come at the expense of a happy locker room. At the price of a veteran's minimum, Dwight is an overqualified backup big no matter where he goes.

Personally, I think that will be a tough decision for Danny.
Jeesh. This is tough. I love Baynes as well.

I really hope GSW can't get Dwight. He's like an uber Javale McGee
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 22, 2018, 03:53:06 PM
Non-guaranteed minimum.

Wow, wonder if he would consider that.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: bknova on June 22, 2018, 04:01:35 PM
If we re-sign Baynes you can rest assured we won't move on Dwight.  Our bigs rotation becomes Horford, Baynes, Theis, Morris, and Williams.  No room for him. 
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: goCeltics on June 22, 2018, 04:26:06 PM
I wouldn't sign Baynes for more than his non bird offer which is around $5 mill. I would sign Howard with the taxpayer MLE which is also around 5 mill. I think there are enough minutes for both, especially if Marcus moves on which I expect.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: nickagneta on June 22, 2018, 04:32:47 PM
Looks like by drafting Robert Williams, we are no longer interested in Dwight Howard?
When were the Celtics ever interested in Howard? Some fans, sure, but there's been nothing put out the Cs are interested. Seriously doubt they ever will be.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Monkhouse on June 22, 2018, 04:41:06 PM
Looks like by drafting Robert Williams, we are no longer interested in Dwight Howard?
When were the Celtics ever interested in Howard? Some fans, sure, but there's been nothing put out the Cs are interested. Seriously doubt they ever will be.

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Calvin Watkins: Boston and Atlanta have secured the first meetings with the center. Portland and Charlotte have also expressed interest in Howard, who declined a player option with the Rockets at $23.2 million.

We've been linked for the past few years now. But I'm pretty sure as of recently that has cooled down.

But recently Sherrod A. Blakely is reporting that we're interested. Which means..

We probably aren't.  8) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Beat LA on June 22, 2018, 04:52:05 PM
It may come down to this.

Would you rather sign Baynes, both a great fit and teammate, for the MLE or would you sign Dwight, a better player but substantially worse teammate, for the veteran's minimum?

You know what you're going to get with Baynes. A solid role player who is good for 15-20 minutes of bruising defense a night, and he'll be the first guy to cheer the team on from the bench. At the price of the mid-level exception, Baynes is the perfect backup big for this team.

On the other hand, you don't know what you're going to get with Dwight. He still is an above average player who is good for 25-30 minutes of terrific play on both sides of the floor, but that may come at the expense of a happy locker room. At the price of a veteran's minimum, Dwight is an overqualified backup big no matter where he goes.

Personally, I think that will be a tough decision for Danny.
Jeesh. This is tough. I love Baynes as well.

I really hope GSW can't get Dwight. He's like an uber Javale McGee

LOL ::).
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: nickagneta on June 22, 2018, 05:24:56 PM
Looks like by drafting Robert Williams, we are no longer interested in Dwight Howard?
When were the Celtics ever interested in Howard? Some fans, sure, but there's been nothing put out the Cs are interested. Seriously doubt they ever will be.

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Calvin Watkins: Boston and Atlanta have secured the first meetings with the center. Portland and Charlotte have also expressed interest in Howard, who declined a player option with the Rockets at $23.2 million.

We've been linked for the past few years now. But I'm pretty sure as of recently that has cooled down.

But recently Sherrod A. Blakely is reporting that we're interested. Which means..

We probably aren't.  8) ::) ::) ::)
I stand corrected but would be completely stunned for the Cs to do anything with Howard. Guy is a clown and would be awful around the youth
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Phantom255x on June 23, 2018, 12:24:47 PM
After drafting Williams and with the likelihood Baynes is coming back... I don't see the C's even considering Dwight anymore. Even if they did, how many minutes would he get on the floor? Not much.

Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: mrceltics2013 on June 23, 2018, 12:35:23 PM
After drafting Williams and with the likelihood Baynes is coming back... I don't see the C's even considering Dwight anymore. Even if they did, how many minutes would he get on the floor? Not much.

So y’all think a 18 year old 27th pick rookie is what makes us not draft a vet who can snag 30 boards on any given night? He is the 27th pick ppl...Yabusele was higher than that and hardly get burn what the heck..... Dwight  would by far our best bet at Center  idk what y’all smoking but I want it.

If you had the choice of Baynes or Dwight Howard for same pay please explain to me how you pick Baynes??
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Phantom255x on June 23, 2018, 12:40:46 PM
After drafting Williams and with the likelihood Baynes is coming back... I don't see the C's even considering Dwight anymore. Even if they did, how many minutes would he get on the floor? Not much.

So y’all think a 18 year old 27th pick rookie is what makes us not draft a vet who can snag 30 boards on any given night? He is the 27th pick ppl...Yabusele was higher than that and hardly get burn what the heck..... Dwight  would by far our best bet at Center  idk what y’all smoking but I want it.

If you had the choice of Baynes or Dwight Howard for same pay please explain to me how you pick Baynes??

Howard may be better than Baynes, but there is also a reason he's been getting tossed around in the league the last 4-5 years (last two years, been dumped by ATL and CHA for garbage). Seems like a locker room cancer and there are some reports that say Horford doesn't like playing with Howard (it *might* have also played a factor in FA when he came to Boston and didn't stay in ATL who had also just signed Howard).

Baynes also knows this system better and fits the scheme better (and he seems to have added a 3-point shot to his arsenal, too). Also Baynes can defend well.

I agree Williams may not make much of an impact this year, but we'll also be getting a healthy Theis back. Don't see Howard getting 30 minutes a night here, maybe 20-25.

Personally, I wouldn't mind bringing in Howard as a low risk, super-high reward using the vet. minimum. I mean, if it didn't work out and they saw it early, they could simply dump him.

Whatever happens, I'll trust Danny and CBS. I do think Boston is considered Top-4 in "odds" to land him in FA (along with Golden State, Portland, Cleveland). Maybe Wizards, Bucks and Raptors are in the mix too?
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: mrceltics2013 on June 23, 2018, 01:21:09 PM
Dude Bayne shot like 18% from 3.... I’m sure Howard could do the same lol. So what he’s been bounced, so what teammates may not like him, what he do on that court though? Did you know Howard is one of Browns mentors? Howard is just a goof ball who can be annoying to many people we all know that person in life’s who thinks they are a lot funnier than they actually are.

Either way..... let’s get Dwight/Crawford or Gay and make the Celtics great again lol. Anyone arguing any of that is tripping.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: ThaPreacher on June 23, 2018, 01:23:07 PM


Dwight Howard
30.4 mpg   16.6 ppg  12.5 reb   1.3 ast    .555 fg pct.  .559 ft pct  1.6 blk    11.2 fga

Al Horford
31.6 mpg    10.5 ppg  7.4 reb   4.7 ast     .489 fg pct    .783 ft pct 1.1 blk    10.5 fga

Aaron Baynes

18.3 mpg    6.0 ppg    5.0 reb   1.1 ast      .471 fg pct   .756 ft pct  0.6 blk   5.5 fga

Dwight is the NBA's 3rd leading rebounder.  He is 11th in FG percentage.  He is 9th in blocks.
4th in double-doubles.


Clearly a major upgrade over Baynes. He is an upgrade over Horford in some respects.
When you examine a player's worth. You have to look at how you'd feel going against him in the post-season.



Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Birdman on June 23, 2018, 01:55:18 PM
Get him!!!! If not Cavs will if bron stay there
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: mrceltics2013 on June 23, 2018, 03:00:28 PM


Dwight Howard
30.4 mpg   16.6 ppg  12.5 reb   1.3 ast    .555 fg pct.  .559 ft pct  1.6 blk    11.2 fga

Al Horford
31.6 mpg    10.5 ppg  7.4 reb   4.7 ast     .489 fg pct    .783 ft pct 1.1 blk    10.5 fga

Aaron Baynes

18.3 mpg    6.0 ppg    5.0 reb   1.1 ast      .471 fg pct   .756 ft pct  0.6 blk   5.5 fga

Dwight is the NBA's 3rd leading rebounder.  He is 11th in FG percentage.  He is 9th in blocks.
4th in double-doubles.


Clearly a major upgrade over Baynes. He is an upgrade over Horford in some respects.
When you examine a player's worth. You have to look at how you'd feel going against him in the post-season.


lol this is my exact point! How in the world could anyone consider not going for Dwight at this point in time if he's really obtainable? Why so he could sing to golden state now everyone complains how super they really are right? Lol

If you can get him on a decent contract  ON THIS TEAM THERE WILL BE NO TEAM IN THE LEAGUE we will have issues with no matter who they add PERIOD. Sixers get Lebron? So what! Give Lebron to the golden state and I still think we have a shot. We legit will have 0 wholes in our team. Y'all have to be kidding me with this Baynes non sense lol.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 23, 2018, 03:02:30 PM


Dwight Howard
30.4 mpg   16.6 ppg  12.5 reb   1.3 ast    .555 fg pct.  .559 ft pct  1.6 blk    11.2 fga

Al Horford
31.6 mpg    10.5 ppg  7.4 reb   4.7 ast     .489 fg pct    .783 ft pct 1.1 blk    10.5 fga

Aaron Baynes

18.3 mpg    6.0 ppg    5.0 reb   1.1 ast      .471 fg pct   .756 ft pct  0.6 blk   5.5 fga

Dwight is the NBA's 3rd leading rebounder.  He is 11th in FG percentage.  He is 9th in blocks.
4th in double-doubles.


Clearly a major upgrade over Baynes. He is an upgrade over Horford in some respects.
When you examine a player's worth. You have to look at how you'd feel going against him in the post-season.


lol this is my exact point! How in the world could anyone consider not going for Dwight at this point in time if he's really obtainable? Why so he could sing to golden state now everyone complains how super they really are right? Lol

It's not any worse than taking a chance on Marbury.  :D
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Birdman on June 23, 2018, 03:21:08 PM
Sign Howard and let Williams develop at Maine
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: perks-a-beast on June 23, 2018, 04:27:47 PM
there are a lot of intriguing Howard scenarios...in all likelihood he'll go to a contender..

to Cleveland is LeBron stays

back to the Lakers if LeBron leaves (from what I heard he's still well liked by management and they'll need a center since lopez will probably be out of their price ranger after they sign some stars)

to Golden State with the opportunity to start (god I hope not)

to Boston to back up Horford

Milwaukee and Washington are options as well

Don't think Houston is an option since I hear his relationship with Harden is rocky

personally I would love howard on the Celtics. He's a double double machine, good team mate from most accounts, and is in excellent shape for his age - very disciplined about taking care of his body.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: perks-a-beast on June 23, 2018, 04:33:22 PM
After drafting Williams and with the likelihood Baynes is coming back... I don't see the C's even considering Dwight anymore. Even if they did, how many minutes would he get on the floor? Not much.

So y’all think a 18 year old 27th pick rookie is what makes us not draft a vet who can snag 30 boards on any given night? He is the 27th pick ppl...Yabusele was higher than that and hardly get burn what the heck..... Dwight  would by far our best bet at Center  idk what y’all smoking but I want it.

If you had the choice of Baynes or Dwight Howard for same pay please explain to me how you pick Baynes??

impossible for me to agree more
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: bknova on June 23, 2018, 04:35:34 PM
there are a lot of intriguing Howard scenarios...in all likelihood he'll go to a contender..

to Cleveland is LeBron stays

back to the Lakers if LeBron leaves (from what I heard he's still well liked by management and they'll need a center since lopez will probably be out of their price ranger after they sign some stars)

to Golden State with the opportunity to start (god I hope not)

to Boston to back up Horford

Milwaukee and Washington are options as well

Don't think Houston is an option since I hear his relationship with Harden is rocky

personally I would love howard on the Celtics. He's a double double machine, good team mate from most accounts, and is in excellent shape for his age - very disciplined about taking care of his body.

Really? Most accounts I've come across have him as a terrible teammate.  Also, he's a classic underachiever and while I think he would've been a good fit a week ago, I'm not sure I want his underachieving, nonchalant, laid back attitude as a an example or mentor for our young shiny new big man prospect. 

Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: perks-a-beast on June 23, 2018, 04:39:42 PM
stevens said when the Celtics drafted Williams that they like him because they like to play by spreading the floor with shooters and having the option of lobbing the ball to a big guy in the middle. who better to fill that role than Dwight? Even at age 32, there may not be a better guy in the league to have as an alley oop threat in the paint.

It's funny..when Dwight signed with Atlanta in summer 2016 I remember thinking that he and Al Horford were going to play real well together. Obviously that never came to pass, but i'd love it for them to be able to make it happen in Boston..

Irving/Rozier/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Hayward/Morris/Horford/Howard...that's the best 9 man rotation in the league..
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: perks-a-beast on June 23, 2018, 04:42:59 PM
there are a lot of intriguing Howard scenarios...in all likelihood he'll go to a contender..

to Cleveland is LeBron stays

back to the Lakers if LeBron leaves (from what I heard he's still well liked by management and they'll need a center since lopez will probably be out of their price ranger after they sign some stars)

to Golden State with the opportunity to start (god I hope not)

to Boston to back up Horford

Milwaukee and Washington are options as well

Don't think Houston is an option since I hear his relationship with Harden is rocky

personally I would love howard on the Celtics. He's a double double machine, good team mate from most accounts, and is in excellent shape for his age - very disciplined about taking care of his body.

Really? Most accounts I've come across have him as a terrible teammate.  Also, he's a classic underachiever and while I think he would've been a good fit a week ago, I'm not sure I want his underachieving, nonchalant, laid back attitude as a an example or mentor for our young shiny new big man prospect.

an 8 time all star who lead a team to the nba finals at 23. what an underachiever..a straight up bum!
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: nickagneta on June 23, 2018, 04:45:40 PM
there are a lot of intriguing Howard scenarios...in all likelihood he'll go to a contender..

to Cleveland is LeBron stays

back to the Lakers if LeBron leaves (from what I heard he's still well liked by management and they'll need a center since lopez will probably be out of their price ranger after they sign some stars)

to Golden State with the opportunity to start (god I hope not)

to Boston to back up Horford

Milwaukee and Washington are options as well

Don't think Houston is an option since I hear his relationship with Harden is rocky

personally I would love howard on the Celtics. He's a double double machine, good team mate from most accounts, and is in excellent shape for his age - very disciplined about taking care of his body.

Really? Most accounts I've come across have him as a terrible teammate.  Also, he's a classic underachiever and while I think he would've been a good fit a week ago, I'm not sure I want his underachieving, nonchalant, laid back attitude as a an example or mentor for our young shiny new big man prospect.

Lead a team to the NBA finals at the age of 23. what an underachiever. A straight up bum!
Now age 32 and hasn't come close to a Finals since he was 23. Underachiever.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: perks-a-beast on June 23, 2018, 04:58:10 PM
there are a lot of intriguing Howard scenarios...in all likelihood he'll go to a contender..

to Cleveland is LeBron stays

back to the Lakers if LeBron leaves (from what I heard he's still well liked by management and they'll need a center since lopez will probably be out of their price ranger after they sign some stars)

to Golden State with the opportunity to start (god I hope not)

to Boston to back up Horford

Milwaukee and Washington are options as well

Don't think Houston is an option since I hear his relationship with Harden is rocky

personally I would love howard on the Celtics. He's a double double machine, good team mate from most accounts, and is in excellent shape for his age - very disciplined about taking care of his body.

Really? Most accounts I've come across have him as a terrible teammate.  Also, he's a classic underachiever and while I think he would've been a good fit a week ago, I'm not sure I want his underachieving, nonchalant, laid back attitude as a an example or mentor for our young shiny new big man prospect.

Lead a team to the NBA finals at the age of 23. what an underachiever. A straight up bum!
Now age 32 and hasn't come close to a Finals since he was 23. Underachiever.

um he came close the next year when he made the conference finals, a year in which he was arguably the rightful MVP of the league. It's 8 years later and his scoring average from that season is only down 2 PPG, and his rebounds are only down 1 RBPG. Anyone who rather have Baynes should seek psychiatric help.

It's a slap in the face of brad stevens and the Celtics staff that so many people don't think that they could integrate a player of that caliber into their system and have him produce.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: hodgy03038 on June 23, 2018, 05:04:43 PM
there are a lot of intriguing Howard scenarios...in all likelihood he'll go to a contender..

to Cleveland is LeBron stays

back to the Lakers if LeBron leaves (from what I heard he's still well liked by management and they'll need a center since lopez will probably be out of their price ranger after they sign some stars)

to Golden State with the opportunity to start (god I hope not)

to Boston to back up Horford

Milwaukee and Washington are options as well

Don't think Houston is an option since I hear his relationship with Harden is rocky

personally I would love howard on the Celtics. He's a double double machine, good team mate from most accounts, and is in excellent shape for his age - very disciplined about taking care of his body.

Really? Most accounts I've come across have him as a terrible teammate.  Also, he's a classic underachiever and while I think he would've been a good fit a week ago, I'm not sure I want his underachieving, nonchalant, laid back attitude as a an example or mentor for our young shiny new big man prospect.

Lead a team to the NBA finals at the age of 23. what an underachiever. A straight up bum!
Now age 32 and hasn't come close to a Finals since he was 23. Underachiever.

um he came close the next year when he made the conference finals, a year in which he was arguably the rightful MVP of the league. It's 8 years later and his scoring average from that season is only down 2 PPG, and his rebounds are only down 1 RBPG. Anyone who rather have Baynes should seek psychiatric help.

It's a slap in the face of brad stevens and the Celtics staff that so many people don't think that they could integrate a player of that caliber into their system and have him produce.

I guess I need psychiatric help because if I can only have one - I want Baynes. He plays great defense and doesn't need to be involved on offense unless we need him to be. He is NOT a cancer like several locations have deemed Dwight. Dwight wants to be like the main option on offense - that ain't happening here. If he could shut his mouth and play defense and take the Smart alley-oops for his offense fine but from the body language I have seen in the past is if you don't start feeding him in the post he just goes into pout mode. We don't need that but I certainly know that the man is skilled.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Roy H. on June 23, 2018, 05:48:42 PM
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Anyone who rather have Baynes should seek psychiatric help.

What an odd (rule-breaking) comment.

Dwight is an issue in the locker room and has openly complained about touches.  Is there any possible reason why somebody wouldn’t want him on a team with plenty of scorers and great chemistry?
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Birdman on June 23, 2018, 06:00:21 PM
Poll is closer than i thought...i voted yes...thought lot of ppl would say no
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Monkhouse on June 23, 2018, 06:17:43 PM
I feel like the decision is pretty simple.

If he signs for the minimum, then you should give it a try. Worst case, he doesn't pan out, and gets back to his old habits, then you jettison him. Even if he doesn't work out, what is the most you would lose?
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Roy H. on June 23, 2018, 06:31:15 PM
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Even if he doesn't work out, what is the most you would lose?

Baynes?
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on June 23, 2018, 06:31:17 PM
I feel like the decision is pretty simple.

If he signs for the minimum, then you should give it a try. Worst case, he doesn't pan out, and gets back to his old habits, then you jettison him. Even if he doesn't work out, what is the most you would lose?

100%

I don't think we are not risking a ton if we sign him for the minimum. It's not a long term deal, and it's certainly not something that would take us into luxury tax hell. Ton of upside if he straightens up his act as far as what he can offer. And if he starts poisoning the locker room, just waive him.

I think that's a low risk - high reward kind of an acquisition.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: willyd24 on June 23, 2018, 06:43:48 PM
Sure, Dwight is a talented player but if he really is the locker room cancer that people have suggested he is than I’m not sure signing him is such a good idea.

The selection of Robert Williams has also made me less open to the idea. For one, with Williams now in the fold we have a pretty decent group of centers with Horford, Theis, Williams and Baynes if he comes back. Not to mention that it has been widely reported that Robert Williams might not have that drive and might have some attitude issues, not sure I want him learning work ethic from Dwight Howard if that’s actually the case. Williams also shoots an abysmal 43% from the FT line and Dwight is an awful free throw shooter as well so if we do sign Dwight we will have two centers that can’t hit a free throw which is not good.

I’d rather give the minutes to Williams and focus on his development than to bring a potential ego into what appears to be a well knit locker room.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Beat LA on June 23, 2018, 07:29:48 PM
Dude Bayne shot like 18% from 3.... I’m sure Howard could do the same lol. So what he’s been bounced, so what teammates may not like him, what he do on that court though? Did you know Howard is one of Browns mentors? Howard is just a goof ball who can be annoying to many people we all know that person in life’s who thinks they are a lot funnier than they actually are.

Either way..... let’s get Dwight/Crawford or Gay and make the Celtics great again lol. Anyone arguing any of that is tripping.

While the part about Jaylen is certainly disturbing, imo, TP for the laugh in regards to your second-to-last sentence ;D.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Beat LA on June 23, 2018, 07:33:21 PM
I feel like the decision is pretty simple.

If he signs for the minimum, then you should give it a try. Worst case, he doesn't pan out, and gets back to his old habits, then you jettison him. Even if he doesn't work out, what is the most you would lose?

100%

I don't think we are not risking a ton if we sign him for the minimum. It's not a long term deal, and it's certainly not something that would take us into luxury tax hell. Ton of upside if he straightens up his act as far as what he can offer. And if he starts poisoning the locker room, just waive him.

I think that's a low risk - high reward kind of an acquisition.

I know that you mentioned the possibility of Howard going to the Warriors, so is there any traction on that front, so to speak? Man, put Dwight in their starting lineup and you've practically created a 2K team, lol #IGiveUp ;D.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: ThaPreacher on June 23, 2018, 07:38:58 PM
I feel like the decision is pretty simple.

If he signs for the minimum, then you should give it a try. Worst case, he doesn't pan out, and gets back to his old habits, then you jettison him. Even if he doesn't work out, what is the most you would lose?

100%

I don't think we are not risking a ton if we sign him for the minimum. It's not a long term deal, and it's certainly not something that would take us into luxury tax hell. Ton of upside if he straightens up his act as far as what he can offer. And if he starts poisoning the locker room, just waive him.

I think that's a low risk - high reward kind of an acquisition.

I know that you mentioned the possibility of Howard going to the Warriors, so is there any traction on that front, so to speak? Man, put Dwight in their starting lineup and you've practically created a 2K team, lol #IGiveUp ;D.

The top teams in the league will want Dwight-
He poses serious difficulties in the playoffs in half-court sets due to his size dominance and athleticism.  Baynes did a remarkable job this year as a role player.

You are going into a playoff series.  Would you rather face Baynes on the opposition or Howard?  :laugh: :'( :laugh: :'(
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Atzar on June 23, 2018, 07:55:33 PM
I like what Baynes brings and would prefer him.  But if Baynes signs elsewhere and the timing works, I’d be interested in Dwight as a backup plan.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: hpantazo on June 23, 2018, 08:14:00 PM
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Anyone who rather have Baynes should seek psychiatric help.

What an odd (rule-breaking) comment.

Dwight is an issue in the locker room and has openly complained about touches.  Is there any possible reason why somebody wouldn’t want him on a team with plenty of scorers and great chemistry?


Yeah, Baynes did an incredible job on Embiid in the playoffs, and was also our most consistent 3 point shooter, all without disrupting chemistry in any way, doing whatever needed at any moment for the team. I would be disappointed to lose him just to replace him with an aging, moody, Dwight Howard who has no shooting ability outside of 3 feet and would sulk and disappear once he gets benched due to his lack of shooting.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: saltlover on June 23, 2018, 08:23:41 PM
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Anyone who rather have Baynes should seek psychiatric help.

What an odd (rule-breaking) comment.

Dwight is an issue in the locker room and has openly complained about touches.  Is there any possible reason why somebody wouldn’t want him on a team with plenty of scorers and great chemistry?


Yeah, Baynes did an incredible job on Embiid in the playoffs, and was also our most consistent 3 point shooter, all without disrupting chemistry in any way, doing whatever needed at any moment for the team. I would be disappointed to lose him just to replace him with an aging, moody, Dwight Howard who has no shooting ability outside of 3 feet and would sulk and disappear once he gets benched due to his lack of shooting.

However, if you could have Baynes at $5 million and put the Celtics in the tax, or Howard at $1.5 million and keep the team out of it, which would you choose?
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: gouki88 on June 23, 2018, 08:25:06 PM
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Anyone who rather have Baynes should seek psychiatric help.

What an odd (rule-breaking) comment.

Dwight is an issue in the locker room and has openly complained about touches.  Is there any possible reason why somebody wouldn’t want him on a team with plenty of scorers and great chemistry?


Yeah, Baynes did an incredible job on Embiid in the playoffs, and was also our most consistent 3 point shooter, all without disrupting chemistry in any way, doing whatever needed at any moment for the team. I would be disappointed to lose him just to replace him with an aging, moody, Dwight Howard who has no shooting ability outside of 3 feet and would sulk and disappear once he gets benched due to his lack of shooting.

However, if you could have Baynes at $5 million and put the Celtics in the tax, or Howard at $1.5 million and keep the team out of it, which would you choose?
Don’t make me say that :'(
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Roy H. on June 23, 2018, 08:30:51 PM
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Anyone who rather have Baynes should seek psychiatric help.

What an odd (rule-breaking) comment.

Dwight is an issue in the locker room and has openly complained about touches.  Is there any possible reason why somebody wouldn’t want him on a team with plenty of scorers and great chemistry?


Yeah, Baynes did an incredible job on Embiid in the playoffs, and was also our most consistent 3 point shooter, all without disrupting chemistry in any way, doing whatever needed at any moment for the team. I would be disappointed to lose him just to replace him with an aging, moody, Dwight Howard who has no shooting ability outside of 3 feet and would sulk and disappear once he gets benched due to his lack of shooting.

However, if you could have Baynes at $5 million and put the Celtics in the tax, or Howard at $1.5 million and keep the team out of it, which would you choose?
Don’t make me say that :'(

Trade Yabu and Nader without taking salary back.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: nickagneta on June 23, 2018, 08:34:16 PM
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Anyone who rather have Baynes should seek psychiatric help.

What an odd (rule-breaking) comment.

Dwight is an issue in the locker room and has openly complained about touches.  Is there any possible reason why somebody wouldn’t want him on a team with plenty of scorers and great chemistry?


Yeah, Baynes did an incredible job on Embiid in the playoffs, and was also our most consistent 3 point shooter, all without disrupting chemistry in any way, doing whatever needed at any moment for the team. I would be disappointed to lose him just to replace him with an aging, moody, Dwight Howard who has no shooting ability outside of 3 feet and would sulk and disappear once he gets benched due to his lack of shooting.

However, if you could have Baynes at $5 million and put the Celtics in the tax, or Howard at $1.5 million and keep the team out of it, which would you choose?
Don’t make me say that :'(

Trade Yabu and Nader without taking salary back.
Also, the salary counting toward the cap isn't final until late in the year, I think. Couldn't you just do a dump salary trade later in the year?
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: hpantazo on June 23, 2018, 08:38:18 PM
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Anyone who rather have Baynes should seek psychiatric help.

What an odd (rule-breaking) comment.

Dwight is an issue in the locker room and has openly complained about touches.  Is there any possible reason why somebody wouldn’t want him on a team with plenty of scorers and great chemistry?


Yeah, Baynes did an incredible job on Embiid in the playoffs, and was also our most consistent 3 point shooter, all without disrupting chemistry in any way, doing whatever needed at any moment for the team. I would be disappointed to lose him just to replace him with an aging, moody, Dwight Howard who has no shooting ability outside of 3 feet and would sulk and disappear once he gets benched due to his lack of shooting.

However, if you could have Baynes at $5 million and put the Celtics in the tax, or Howard at $1.5 million and keep the team out of it, which would you choose?

I'm not paying the tax myself, so I don't care about going over it.

According to Wyc and Co., they are also fine going over the tax to put a contender on the floor, so choice is still Baynes. Replacing him with Dwight Howard weakens us significantly.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Beat LA on June 23, 2018, 09:37:44 PM
I feel like the decision is pretty simple.

If he signs for the minimum, then you should give it a try. Worst case, he doesn't pan out, and gets back to his old habits, then you jettison him. Even if he doesn't work out, what is the most you would lose?

100%

I don't think we are not risking a ton if we sign him for the minimum. It's not a long term deal, and it's certainly not something that would take us into luxury tax hell. Ton of upside if he straightens up his act as far as what he can offer. And if he starts poisoning the locker room, just waive him.

I think that's a low risk - high reward kind of an acquisition.

I know that you mentioned the possibility of Howard going to the Warriors, so is there any traction on that front, so to speak? Man, put Dwight in their starting lineup and you've practically created a 2K team, lol #IGiveUp ;D.

The top teams in the league will want Dwight-
He poses serious difficulties in the playoffs in half-court sets due to his size dominance and athleticism.  Baynes did a remarkable job this year as a role player.

You are going into a playoff series.  Would you rather face Baynes on the opposition or Howard?  :laugh: :'( :laugh: :'(

The only appeal that I can see with Howard would be that he has consistently exploited Golden State's glaring weakness on da boards ;D over the years, so if the Warriors signed him, and they have said that they wanted to upgrade the center position, Jesus :o, as that would arguably be the greatest assemblage of talent on one team in the modern era. I think.

At any rate, I guess what I'm trying to say is that that team could very well turn out to be unbeatable, and we might as well not even tune in, anymore, lol ;D. Talk about a superteam :o. Bye bye, Lady Zaza ;D, Damion Jones, Kevon Looney (maybe), Javale McGee (perhaps), and Nick Young, and say hello to Dwight Howard :o. Has a modern team ever had multiple Defensive Players of the Year on the same roster at the, well, same time, because I honestly don't remember seeing it, although I'm probably wrong.

Yikes :o.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: saltlover on June 23, 2018, 09:43:41 PM
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Anyone who rather have Baynes should seek psychiatric help.

What an odd (rule-breaking) comment.

Dwight is an issue in the locker room and has openly complained about touches.  Is there any possible reason why somebody wouldn’t want him on a team with plenty of scorers and great chemistry?


Yeah, Baynes did an incredible job on Embiid in the playoffs, and was also our most consistent 3 point shooter, all without disrupting chemistry in any way, doing whatever needed at any moment for the team. I would be disappointed to lose him just to replace him with an aging, moody, Dwight Howard who has no shooting ability outside of 3 feet and would sulk and disappear once he gets benched due to his lack of shooting.

However, if you could have Baynes at $5 million and put the Celtics in the tax, or Howard at $1.5 million and keep the team out of it, which would you choose?
Don’t make me say that :'(

Trade Yabu and Nader without taking salary back.
Also, the salary counting toward the cap isn't final until late in the year, I think. Couldn't you just do a dump salary trade later in the year?

Absolutely can.  You run the risk, however, of not being able to find a dancing partner.  Nader should be easy, because he makes the minimum and anyone can take him with the minimum salary exception. Yabusele could be trickier, as he would require cap room or a trade exception, and there will be fewer teams to trade with, even at a small amount.  If his year 3 option is picked up in October and he’s viewed as a dump, it becomes even more complicated.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: saltlover on June 23, 2018, 09:46:20 PM
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Anyone who rather have Baynes should seek psychiatric help.

What an odd (rule-breaking) comment.

Dwight is an issue in the locker room and has openly complained about touches.  Is there any possible reason why somebody wouldn’t want him on a team with plenty of scorers and great chemistry?


Yeah, Baynes did an incredible job on Embiid in the playoffs, and was also our most consistent 3 point shooter, all without disrupting chemistry in any way, doing whatever needed at any moment for the team. I would be disappointed to lose him just to replace him with an aging, moody, Dwight Howard who has no shooting ability outside of 3 feet and would sulk and disappear once he gets benched due to his lack of shooting.

However, if you could have Baynes at $5 million and put the Celtics in the tax, or Howard at $1.5 million and keep the team out of it, which would you choose?

I'm not paying the tax myself, so I don't care about going over it.

According to Wyc and Co., they are also fine going over the tax to put a contender on the floor, so choice is still Baynes. Replacing him with Dwight Howard weakens us significantly.

I’m sure theyre not against it, but starting the clock on the repeater tax a year early can have its consequences down the road.  Not just a small tax this year (~$5 million) and lost tax revenue from othe teams (could be several million), but $15-20 million down the road.  Essentially paying Baynes this year instead of Howard could potentially be the same cost as a year of a max salary.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Dino Pitino on June 23, 2018, 09:47:48 PM
It's absurd to want Baynes over Howard, performance-wise. Of course Howard would perform better than Baynes in those 18 minutes, in a vacuum. But would Howard be okay with just 18 minutes, off the bench? If he's in ring-chasing mode, maybe. We're gonna be the number two locale for that in the league. It would rock to have Howard, Theis, Williams off the bench.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: SparzWizard on June 23, 2018, 09:49:43 PM
It's absurd to want Baynes over Howard, performance-wise. Of course Howard would perform better than Baynes in those 18 minutes, in a vacuum. But would Howard be okay with just 18 minutes, off the bench? If he's in ring-chasing mode, maybe. We're gonna be the number two locale for that in the league. It would rock to have Howard, Theis, Williams off the bench.

If Celtics are getting Howard, he's starting. No reason for him to come off the bench if he averages 16/12 per game.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Phantom255x on June 23, 2018, 10:17:36 PM
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Anyone who rather have Baynes should seek psychiatric help.

What an odd (rule-breaking) comment.

Dwight is an issue in the locker room and has openly complained about touches.  Is there any possible reason why somebody wouldn’t want him on a team with plenty of scorers and great chemistry?


Yeah, Baynes did an incredible job on Embiid in the playoffs, and was also our most consistent 3 point shooter, all without disrupting chemistry in any way, doing whatever needed at any moment for the team. I would be disappointed to lose him just to replace him with an aging, moody, Dwight Howard who has no shooting ability outside of 3 feet and would sulk and disappear once he gets benched due to his lack of shooting.

However, if you could have Baynes at $5 million and put the Celtics in the tax, or Howard at $1.5 million and keep the team out of it, which would you choose?

I'm not paying the tax myself, so I don't care about going over it.

According to Wyc and Co., they are also fine going over the tax to put a contender on the floor, so choice is still Baynes. Replacing him with Dwight Howard weakens us significantly.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Dw9Q4cgplcHXW/source.gif)

(Idk I just thought this GIF is funny and appropriate for this LOL)
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: mrceltics2013 on June 23, 2018, 10:32:15 PM
It's absurd to want Baynes over Howard, performance-wise. Of course Howard would perform better than Baynes in those 18 minutes, in a vacuum. But would Howard be okay with just 18 minutes, off the bench? If he's in ring-chasing mode, maybe. We're gonna be the number two locale for that in the league. It would rock to have Howard, Theis, Williams off the bench.

If Celtics are getting Howard, he's starting. No reason for him to come off the bench if he averages 16/12 per game.


Some of these comments make me cry because I don't understand their logic. Why would someone who still averages a double double and a top defender in the league STILL, come off the bench? 😞 I just don't get some of y'all logic man. If signed he is THE BEST CENTER ON OUR TEAM.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Phantom255x on June 23, 2018, 10:36:04 PM
It's absurd to want Baynes over Howard, performance-wise. Of course Howard would perform better than Baynes in those 18 minutes, in a vacuum. But would Howard be okay with just 18 minutes, off the bench? If he's in ring-chasing mode, maybe. We're gonna be the number two locale for that in the league. It would rock to have Howard, Theis, Williams off the bench.

If Celtics are getting Howard, he's starting. No reason for him to come off the bench if he averages 16/12 per game.


Some of these comments make me cry because I don't understand their logic. Why would someone who still averages a double double and a top defender in the league STILL, come off the bench? 😞 I just don't get some of y'all logic man. If signed he is THE BEST CENTER ON OUR TEAM.

If he's really as good as you think he is, WHY has he been traded/dumped by his last 4 teams?? Again, I'm fine taking a risk on him with the veteran minimum exception (wouldn't mind), but it is possible he's truly a headcase in the locker room. I'll trust Ainge on his judgement regarding Howard in FA.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 23, 2018, 10:36:36 PM
Non-guaranteed minimum.

Wow, wonder if he would consider that.

he has like 6 ex s ,  untold children to support .....the man HAS to work to keep all that going.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Phantom255x on June 23, 2018, 10:44:16 PM
Non-guaranteed minimum.

Wow, wonder if he would consider that.

he has like 6 ex s ,  untold children to support .....the man HAS to work to keep all that going.

(http://lakergifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/dwightcry200.gif)
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Bobshot on June 23, 2018, 11:00:59 PM
Howard had a surprisingly good year in Charlotte last year. Some attributed it to the coach, who it was reported knew how to use him. He's an interior guy, and having drafted a player like Williams, I doubt the Celtics would be interested. They like Baynes toughness, and Williams figures to get  rim protector minutes. Plus they have Theis, who is a nice bench 4-5.

Howard might draw interest in Golden State or Cleveland. It depends on how much money he wants. He might be attracted to the Warriors for the minimum. Or Cleveland, if Lebron stays there.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: ThaPreacher on June 24, 2018, 10:29:50 AM
It's absurd to want Baynes over Howard, performance-wise. Of course Howard would perform better than Baynes in those 18 minutes, in a vacuum. But would Howard be okay with just 18 minutes, off the bench? If he's in ring-chasing mode, maybe. We're gonna be the number two locale for that in the league. It would rock to have Howard, Theis, Williams off the bench.

If Celtics are getting Howard, he's starting. No reason for him to come off the bench if he averages 16/12 per game.


Some of these comments make me cry because I don't understand their logic. Why would someone who still averages a double double and a top defender in the league STILL, come off the bench? 😞 I just don't get some of y'all logic man. If signed he is THE BEST CENTER ON OUR TEAM.

If he's really as good as you think he is, WHY has he been traded/dumped by his last 4 teams?? Again, I'm fine taking a risk on him with the veteran minimum exception (wouldn't mind), but it is possible he's truly a headcase in the locker room. I'll trust Ainge on his judgement regarding Howard in FA.

I'm going to attempt to answer that question. Primarily, because of the parrots and spreading of misinformation.


Los Angeles
No beef between Kobe and Dwight Howard
Howard thought that Kobe shot the ball too much and that the shot selection was questionable.
(Perceptive analysis).
Kobe thought that Howard was "too soft".
Howard realizing that as long as Kobe was in town, there wasn't room enough for both of them and moved on.
LA would not let Howard work out with Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/07/08/dwight-howard-houston-rockets-los-angeles-lakers

https://www.12up.com/posts/5274908-dwight-howard-blasts-media-for-making-up-stories-during-his-time-with-lakers

Houston
Dwight Howard had a good tenure in Houston.
He went there to play for a big man's coach and Hall of Famer Kevin McHale.
The same McHale that mentored Kevin Garnett.
The conflict in Houston was due to the fact that McHale wanted Harden to share the ball and play defense.  Howard was popular with a number of players in the locker room and thought again the offense should run inside out. Harden was popular with the other half and thought the offense should start and end with him. 

https://nesn.com/2016/02/nba-rumors-james-harden-wanted-kevin-mchale-fired-dwight-howard-traded/

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/dwight-howard-inside-the-nba/304233

Atlanta
Parted ways with Howard's 3-year and 70 million dollar deal to rebuild.

Charlotte
Charlotte where he averaged 16ppg 12 reb
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23863678/dwight-howard-brooklyn-nets-working-buyout

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article213676869.html

Now, this is not to say that Dwight Howard is not a polarizing figure.

https://www.rollingstone.com/sports/dwight-howard-rajon-rondo-and-nba-team-poison-w460740

But, its easy to call names and label people and disregard all of the other facts that go into running a professional team. I would be interested to see what Brad Stevens could get out of Howard and what Howard could get out of Brad Stevens.

Boston has had a long history of reclamation projects and role players. 

Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: hwangjini_1 on June 24, 2018, 10:59:51 AM
It's absurd to want Baynes over Howard, performance-wise. Of course Howard would perform better than Baynes in those 18 minutes, in a vacuum. But would Howard be okay with just 18 minutes, off the bench? If he's in ring-chasing mode, maybe. We're gonna be the number two locale for that in the league. It would rock to have Howard, Theis, Williams off the bench.

If Celtics are getting Howard, he's starting. No reason for him to come off the bench if he averages 16/12 per game.


Some of these comments make me cry because I don't understand their logic. Why would someone who still averages a double double and a top defender in the league STILL, come off the bench? 😞 I just don't get some of y'all logic man. If signed he is THE BEST CENTER ON OUR TEAM.

If he's really as good as you think he is, WHY has he been traded/dumped by his last 4 teams?? Again, I'm fine taking a risk on him with the veteran minimum exception (wouldn't mind), but it is possible he's truly a headcase in the locker room. I'll trust Ainge on his judgement regarding Howard in FA.

I'm going to attempt to answer that question. Primarily, because of the parrots and spreading of misinformation.


Los Angeles
No beef between Kobe and Dwight Howard
Howard thought that Kobe shot the ball too much and that the shot selection was questionable.
(Perceptive analysis).
Kobe thought that Howard was "too soft".
Howard realizing that as long as Kobe was in town, there wasn't room enough for both of them and moved on.
LA would not let Howard work out with Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/07/08/dwight-howard-houston-rockets-los-angeles-lakers

https://www.12up.com/posts/5274908-dwight-howard-blasts-media-for-making-up-stories-during-his-time-with-lakers

Houston
Dwight Howard had a good tenure in Houston.
He went there to play for a big man's coach and Hall of Famer Kevin McHale.
The same McHale that mentored Kevin Garnett.
The conflict in Houston was due to the fact that McHale wanted Harden to share the ball and play defense.  Howard was popular with a number of players in the locker room and thought again the offense should run inside out. Harden was popular with the other half and thought the offense should start and end with him. 

https://nesn.com/2016/02/nba-rumors-james-harden-wanted-kevin-mchale-fired-dwight-howard-traded/

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/dwight-howard-inside-the-nba/304233

Atlanta
Parted ways with Howard's 3-year and 70 million dollar deal to rebuild.

Charlotte
Charlotte where he averaged 16ppg 12 reb
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23863678/dwight-howard-brooklyn-nets-working-buyout

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article213676869.html

Now, this is not to say that Dwight Howard is not a polarizing figure.

https://www.rollingstone.com/sports/dwight-howard-rajon-rondo-and-nba-team-poison-w460740

But, its easy to call names and label people and disregard all of the other facts that go into running a professional team. I would be interested to see what Brad Stevens could get out of Howard and what Howard could get out of Brad Stevens.

Boston has had a long history of reclamation projects and role players.
thank you for the research and analysis. tp. but when i read your final two words, i have to wonder whether howard would accept such a role? he hasnt so far, but people do change on occasion.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on June 24, 2018, 11:06:21 AM
It's absurd to want Baynes over Howard, performance-wise. Of course Howard would perform better than Baynes in those 18 minutes, in a vacuum. But would Howard be okay with just 18 minutes, off the bench? If he's in ring-chasing mode, maybe. We're gonna be the number two locale for that in the league. It would rock to have Howard, Theis, Williams off the bench.

If Celtics are getting Howard, he's starting. No reason for him to come off the bench if he averages 16/12 per game.


Some of these comments make me cry because I don't understand their logic. Why would someone who still averages a double double and a top defender in the league STILL, come off the bench? 😞 I just don't get some of y'all logic man. If signed he is THE BEST CENTER ON OUR TEAM.

If he's really as good as you think he is, WHY has he been traded/dumped by his last 4 teams?? Again, I'm fine taking a risk on him with the veteran minimum exception (wouldn't mind), but it is possible he's truly a headcase in the locker room. I'll trust Ainge on his judgement regarding Howard in FA.

I'm going to attempt to answer that question. Primarily, because of the parrots and spreading of misinformation.


Los Angeles
No beef between Kobe and Dwight Howard
Howard thought that Kobe shot the ball too much and that the shot selection was questionable.
(Perceptive analysis).
Kobe thought that Howard was "too soft".
Howard realizing that as long as Kobe was in town, there wasn't room enough for both of them and moved on.
LA would not let Howard work out with Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/07/08/dwight-howard-houston-rockets-los-angeles-lakers

https://www.12up.com/posts/5274908-dwight-howard-blasts-media-for-making-up-stories-during-his-time-with-lakers

Houston
Dwight Howard had a good tenure in Houston.
He went there to play for a big man's coach and Hall of Famer Kevin McHale.
The same McHale that mentored Kevin Garnett.
The conflict in Houston was due to the fact that McHale wanted Harden to share the ball and play defense.  Howard was popular with a number of players in the locker room and thought again the offense should run inside out. Harden was popular with the other half and thought the offense should start and end with him. 

https://nesn.com/2016/02/nba-rumors-james-harden-wanted-kevin-mchale-fired-dwight-howard-traded/

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/dwight-howard-inside-the-nba/304233

Atlanta
Parted ways with Howard's 3-year and 70 million dollar deal to rebuild.

Charlotte
Charlotte where he averaged 16ppg 12 reb
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23863678/dwight-howard-brooklyn-nets-working-buyout

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article213676869.html

Now, this is not to say that Dwight Howard is not a polarizing figure.

https://www.rollingstone.com/sports/dwight-howard-rajon-rondo-and-nba-team-poison-w460740

But, its easy to call names and label people and disregard all of the other facts that go into running a professional team. I would be interested to see what Brad Stevens could get out of Howard and what Howard could get out of Brad Stevens.

Boston has had a long history of reclamation projects and role players.
thank you for the research and analysis. tp. but when i read your final two words, i have to wonder whether howard would accept such a role? he hasnt so far, but people do change on occasion.

For the Vet. Minimum, we can find out.

That's the beauty of it. If he's actually willing to come for the minimum, are we actually risking a ton by trying to get him here?
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 24, 2018, 11:37:10 AM
It's absurd to want Baynes over Howard, performance-wise. Of course Howard would perform better than Baynes in those 18 minutes, in a vacuum. But would Howard be okay with just 18 minutes, off the bench? If he's in ring-chasing mode, maybe. We're gonna be the number two locale for that in the league. It would rock to have Howard, Theis, Williams off the bench.

If Celtics are getting Howard, he's starting. No reason for him to come off the bench if he averages 16/12 per game.


Some of these comments make me cry because I don't understand their logic. Why would someone who still averages a double double and a top defender in the league STILL, come off the bench? 😞 I just don't get some of y'all logic man. If signed he is THE BEST CENTER ON OUR TEAM.

If he's really as good as you think he is, WHY has he been traded/dumped by his last 4 teams?? Again, I'm fine taking a risk on him with the veteran minimum exception (wouldn't mind), but it is possible he's truly a headcase in the locker room. I'll trust Ainge on his judgement regarding Howard in FA.

I'm going to attempt to answer that question. Primarily, because of the parrots and spreading of misinformation.


Los Angeles
No beef between Kobe and Dwight Howard
Howard thought that Kobe shot the ball too much and that the shot selection was questionable.
(Perceptive analysis).
Kobe thought that Howard was "too soft".
Howard realizing that as long as Kobe was in town, there wasn't room enough for both of them and moved on.
LA would not let Howard work out with Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/07/08/dwight-howard-houston-rockets-los-angeles-lakers

https://www.12up.com/posts/5274908-dwight-howard-blasts-media-for-making-up-stories-during-his-time-with-lakers

Houston
Dwight Howard had a good tenure in Houston.
He went there to play for a big man's coach and Hall of Famer Kevin McHale.
The same McHale that mentored Kevin Garnett.
The conflict in Houston was due to the fact that McHale wanted Harden to share the ball and play defense.  Howard was popular with a number of players in the locker room and thought again the offense should run inside out. Harden was popular with the other half and thought the offense should start and end with him. 

https://nesn.com/2016/02/nba-rumors-james-harden-wanted-kevin-mchale-fired-dwight-howard-traded/

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/dwight-howard-inside-the-nba/304233

Atlanta
Parted ways with Howard's 3-year and 70 million dollar deal to rebuild.

Charlotte
Charlotte where he averaged 16ppg 12 reb
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23863678/dwight-howard-brooklyn-nets-working-buyout

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article213676869.html

Now, this is not to say that Dwight Howard is not a polarizing figure.

https://www.rollingstone.com/sports/dwight-howard-rajon-rondo-and-nba-team-poison-w460740

But, its easy to call names and label people and disregard all of the other facts that go into running a professional team. I would be interested to see what Brad Stevens could get out of Howard and what Howard could get out of Brad Stevens.

Boston has had a long history of reclamation projects and role players.
Howard played 1 year in Atlanta so it was 2 years/47M left on his contract.  It wasn't really a salary dump trade to rebuild because they took back Plumlee's bad contract 3yr/37.2M and Belinelli 1yr/6.3M.   They clearly wanted Howard gone. 

Howard played 1 year in Charlotte.  He has 1yr/23.5M on his contract and traded him for Mozgov 2yr/32.7M and a couple 2nd rounders.  They clearly wanted Howard gone. 

The Nets apparently are looking to do a buyout so they clearly don't want Howard. 
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: PAOBoston on June 24, 2018, 11:40:46 AM
Is there a reason people think Howard is going to play for the vet minimum? In Boston, he would get 15-20 minutes a night.

Howard is a poor teammate and a bad locker room personality who's basically been kicked to the curb by his last 3 teams because he was not welcome by his teammates. Not really understanding why people want to deal with that.

Reality is in Boston he would not get much time or touches. He's going to sign for more than the veteran minimum on some bad team that can give him minutes.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Phantom255x on June 24, 2018, 12:15:41 PM
Is there a reason people think Howard is going to play for the vet minimum? In Boston, he would get 15-20 minutes a night.

Howard is a poor teammate and a bad locker room personality who's basically been kicked to the curb by his last 3 teams because he was not welcome by his teammates. Not really understanding why people want to deal with that.

Reality is in Boston he would not get much time or touches. He's going to sign for more than the veteran minimum on some bad team that can give him minutes.

That's possible, but I think Howard wants to be on a contending team according to reports, and he's already making close to 24M from the Nets this upcoming season. Also, his reputation is to the point where I honestly don't see many teams even offering to give him the 8-9M MLE to take that big gamble (and again, I'm talking about the contending teams). But... if he wants to get more touches on a bad team with cap space, then by all means he could do that and get paid (but not contend for a ring).
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: TA9 on July 03, 2018, 07:45:17 AM
With Cousins going to the Warriors, would you guys reconsider bringing Howard on board?

We will definitely need his size and rebounding against a loaded frontcourt consisting of Green and Cousins in a finals series against the Warriors - I don't think having Baynes is sufficient, and honestly speaking he's not as good at rebounding the basketball as Howard is (please don't mention Robert Williams because he's probably not going to see heavy minutes this season).

I see a lot of concerns regarding his presence in our locker room. On the other hand, DA actually tried to bring Cousins on board before he chose to sign with the Warriors and as we all know; Cousins is not a saint himself.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 03, 2018, 08:21:06 AM
I think Washington has to sign Howard now and will make a run for him.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: SparzWizard on July 04, 2018, 02:08:09 AM
Dwight Howard will sign a 1-year deal for the MLE with the Washington Wizards sources say.

The Wizards will be another threat to Boston's reign.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: greece66 on July 04, 2018, 02:16:23 AM
Dwight Howard will sign a 1-year deal for the MLE with the Washington Wizards sources say.

The Wizards will be another threat to Boston's reign.

They got Howard and Austin Rivers instead of Gortat. IMO that's not enough to make them a threat.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: SparzWizard on July 04, 2018, 02:21:10 AM
Dwight Howard will sign a 1-year deal for the MLE with the Washington Wizards sources say.

The Wizards will be another threat to Boston's reign.

They got Howard and Austin Rivers instead of Gortat. IMO that's not enough to make them a threat.

They also got Jeff Green, who has been the Celtics' kryptonite as of late.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: GreenEnvy on July 04, 2018, 02:37:15 AM
Dwight Howard will sign a 1-year deal for the MLE with the Washington Wizards sources say.

The Wizards will be another threat to Boston's reign.

They got Howard and Austin Rivers instead of Gortat. IMO that's not enough to make them a threat.

They also got Jeff Green, who has been the Celtics' kryptonite as of late.

I’m not sure one good game against us in his 11 year career is “kryptonite-“worthy.

They were the 8th seed in a bad East. Howard does the same things as Gortat, just better. Rivers isn’t an impactful player, and Jeff Green is a bench player. I don’t think they did anything to make us fret. They will battle with Milwaukee for HCA in the first round (behind Celtics, Raptors, Sixers).
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: greece66 on July 04, 2018, 02:38:52 AM
Dwight Howard will sign a 1-year deal for the MLE with the Washington Wizards sources say.

The Wizards will be another threat to Boston's reign.

They got Howard and Austin Rivers instead of Gortat. IMO that's not enough to make them a threat.

They also got Jeff Green, who has been the Celtics' kryptonite as of late.

I always liked Green, he' ll be a nice addition to their bench.

Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: SparzWizard on July 04, 2018, 03:02:36 AM
Dwight Howard will sign a 1-year deal for the MLE with the Washington Wizards sources say.

The Wizards will be another threat to Boston's reign.

They got Howard and Austin Rivers instead of Gortat. IMO that's not enough to make them a threat.

They also got Jeff Green, who has been the Celtics' kryptonite as of late.

I’m not sure one good game against us in his 11 year career is “kryptonite-“worthy.

They were the 8th seed in a bad East. Howard does the same things as Gortat, just better. Rivers isn’t an impactful player, and Jeff Green is a bench player. I don’t think they did anything to make us fret. They will battle with Milwaukee for HCA in the first round (behind Celtics, Raptors, Sixers).

TWO good games- Game 6 and Game 7! Perhaps, but the Wizards still have the best of us basing off of last season's matchups- beating us at the TD Garden twice.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Moranis on July 04, 2018, 10:23:39 AM
Dwight Howard will sign a 1-year deal for the MLE with the Washington Wizards sources say.

The Wizards will be another threat to Boston's reign.

They got Howard and Austin Rivers instead of Gortat. IMO that's not enough to make them a threat.

They also got Jeff Green, who has been the Celtics' kryptonite as of late.

I’m not sure one good game against us in his 11 year career is “kryptonite-“worthy.

They were the 8th seed in a bad East. Howard does the same things as Gortat, just better. Rivers isn’t an impactful player, and Jeff Green is a bench player. I don’t think they did anything to make us fret. They will battle with Milwaukee for HCA in the first round (behind Celtics, Raptors, Sixers).
Wall missed half the season though.  The year before with a very similar team they were a 49 win team that was 1 win away from the ECF. 

That said I don't think they are a real threat to Boston, but I do think they are pretty clearly in the same general tier as the Raptors now and should be in the mix for home court in the 1st round.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on July 04, 2018, 10:31:46 AM
Dwight Howard will sign a 1-year deal for the MLE with the Washington Wizards sources say.

The Wizards will be another threat to Boston's reign.

They got Howard and Austin Rivers instead of Gortat. IMO that's not enough to make them a threat.

They also got Jeff Green, who has been the Celtics' kryptonite as of late.

Part of me thinks that the Wizards should go all out for Kevin Love.

If they do, they might be East contenders.
Title: Re: Dwightmare traded to Nets/Now FA. Should Cs target?
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 04, 2018, 10:48:45 AM
I think they could be a little dangerous if Howard pans out.