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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: Moranis on January 19, 2018, 05:04:12 PM
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https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-cavs-expressing-interest-deal-kings-guard-george-hill-212652384.html
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https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-cavs-expressing-interest-deal-kings-guard-george-hill-212652384.html
Are they dumping Jr Smith? What would they have that would interest Kings besides Brooklyn pick (which I am assuming is not involved since it would be a ridiculous overpay) They have no promising young guys and their own first rounder is probably gonna be mid 20's. Even if they get him he would be their 3rd most important guard behind IT and Wade so can't really think this moves the needle much even though he shoots very good from 3.
I guess this also goes to show what they think of Rose...
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https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-cavs-expressing-interest-deal-kings-guard-george-hill-212652384.html
Are they dumping Jr Smith? What would they have that would interest Kings besides Brooklyn pick (which I am assuming is not involved since it would be a ridiculous overpay) They have no promising young guys and their own first rounder is probably gonna be mid 20's. Even if they get him he would be their 3rd most important guard behind IT and Wade so can't really think this moves the needle much even though he shoots very good from 3.
I guess this also goes to show what they think of Rose...
They can't trade their 2018 1st round pick because they already owe their 2019 pick to Atlanta. The Stepien Rule prevents teams from trading consecutive future 1sts.
They also don't have any second-rounders till 2020.
And all of their matching contracts are toxic/long.
So it's going to be very tough to match values here.
Maybe they expand the trade and include the Brooklyn pick, and Sacto throws in Randolph and one of their young players?
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https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-cavs-expressing-interest-deal-kings-guard-george-hill-212652384.html
Are they dumping Jr Smith? What would they have that would interest Kings besides Brooklyn pick (which I am assuming is not involved since it would be a ridiculous overpay) They have no promising young guys and their own first rounder is probably gonna be mid 20's. Even if they get him he would be their 3rd most important guard behind IT and Wade so can't really think this moves the needle much even though he shoots very good from 3.
I guess this also goes to show what they think of Rose...
They can't trade their 2018 1st round pick because they already owe their 2019 pick to Atlanta. The Stepien Rule prevents teams from trading consecutive future 1sts.
They also don't have any second-rounders till 2020.
And all of their matching contracts are toxic/long.
So it's going to be very tough to match values here.
Maybe they expand the trade and include the Brooklyn pick, and Sacto throws in Randolph and one of their young players?
Didn't know that about their pick, that makes things even gloomier.
Yea Smith's contract is awful and he is 14 million next year plus 4 million guaranteed the next year after that (Thanks Lebron). Smith is also terrible and probably the last guy you want around a bunch of young players. Shumpert has an 11 million dollar option for next year that he would be insane to not pick up, so that is kind of ugly too. Thompson's is the worst of the bunch with 37 million owed over the next two years to a guy playing 20 minutes a game for a team desperate for front court bodies. What a mess. Pretty impossible for them to make any trade without the Brooklyn pick.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-cavs-expressing-interest-deal-kings-guard-george-hill-212652384.html
Are they dumping Jr Smith? What would they have that would interest Kings besides Brooklyn pick (which I am assuming is not involved since it would be a ridiculous overpay) They have no promising young guys and their own first rounder is probably gonna be mid 20's. Even if they get him he would be their 3rd most important guard behind IT and Wade so can't really think this moves the needle much even though he shoots very good from 3.
I guess this also goes to show what they think of Rose...
They can't trade their 2018 1st round pick because they already owe their 2019 pick to Atlanta. The Stepien Rule prevents teams from trading consecutive future 1sts.
They also don't have any second-rounders till 2020.
And all of their matching contracts are toxic/long.
So it's going to be very tough to match values here.
Maybe they expand the trade and include the Brooklyn pick, and Sacto throws in Randolph and one of their young players?
They have to keep at least one first round pick. This means they can trade the Brooklyn pick ór their own pick, but not both.
So they can trade the Cleveland first pick if they want to. It just means that they can't trade the Brooklyn pick afterwards (unless they'd get a first rounder back for this year).
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https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-cavs-expressing-interest-deal-kings-guard-george-hill-212652384.html
Are they dumping Jr Smith? What would they have that would interest Kings besides Brooklyn pick (which I am assuming is not involved since it would be a ridiculous overpay) They have no promising young guys and their own first rounder is probably gonna be mid 20's. Even if they get him he would be their 3rd most important guard behind IT and Wade so can't really think this moves the needle much even though he shoots very good from 3.
I guess this also goes to show what they think of Rose...
They can't trade their 2018 1st round pick because they already owe their 2019 pick to Atlanta. The Stepien Rule prevents teams from trading consecutive future 1sts.
They also don't have any second-rounders till 2020.
And all of their matching contracts are toxic/long.
So it's going to be very tough to match values here.
Maybe they expand the trade and include the Brooklyn pick, and Sacto throws in Randolph and one of their young players?
They have to keep at least one first round pick. This means they can trade the Brooklyn pick ór their own pick, but not both.
So they can trade the Cleveland first pick if they want to. It just means that they can't trade the Brooklyn pick afterwards (unless they'd get a first rounder back for this year).
Just to back this up with an actual source, per Larry Coon's CBA FAQ:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89
Teams are required to have only a first round pick, and not necessarily their own first round pick. Teams may trade away their own future picks in consecutive years if they already own another team's unconditional first round pick in one of those years. For example, if this is the 2017-18 season and a team has already traded away its 2019 first round pick, it cannot trade its 2018 pick. However, if it acquires another team's first round pick in either 2018 or 2019, its own 2018 pick can then be traded.
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So IT is heading back to the Kings...JK
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So IT is heading back to the Kings...JK
that would be my guess , Hill would be better defense and better fit. Then Sac who are going young can let IT walk this summer for a Brinks truck .....or C's resign him as bench player ;D
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The Kings are such a mismanaged team. They could have had a bunch of cap space next offseason but they stupidly wasted it on Hill and Z-Bo. Now they are shutting down their veterans and looking to move them. Unfortunately for them, Z-Bo is probably negative worth and Hill isn't worth much.
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So IT is heading back to the Kings...JK
no. They want Hill to back up and play with Thomas.
My guess is something like Thompson and Shumpert for Hill and Randolph.
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They're trying to trade for DeAndre Jordan and Sweet Lou, too.
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So IT is heading back to the Kings...JK
no. They want Hill to back up and play with Thomas.
My guess is something like Thompson and Shumpert for Hill and Randolph.
That sounds really exciting for Sacramento. Why would they even consider this?
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They're trying to trade for DeAndre Jordan and Sweet Lou, too.
What assets do they have to acquire these two? The Brooklyn pick I would guess has to be included.
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So IT is heading back to the Kings...JK
no. They want Hill to back up and play with Thomas.
My guess is something like Thompson and Shumpert for Hill and Randolph.
That sounds really exciting for Sacramento. Why would they even consider this?
because George Hill is still owed 40 million after this year and he has been terrible for them. Randolph is stillness 25 million after this one and isn't worth that either. Shumpert can opt out this summer bit either way is way cheaper than Randolph. Thompson is overpaid a bit, but isn't as overpaid as Hill, is younger, and is far more likely to revert back to prior years form.
Put it this way, which team is going to give them anything of greater value than that for those two guys?
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does this really bridge the gap for cleveland or improve their defense?
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does this really bridge the gap for cleveland or improve their defense?
obviously depends on what they use to acquire, but Hill would absolutely improve their bench.
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does this really bridge the gap for cleveland or improve their defense?
Who here wants to see them get better? Not me!
And to be honest the Cavs are an afterthought once LeBron leaves or retires.
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Hill’s prime has come and gone. Let them keep making desperate moves to marginally improve. He doesn’t do too much
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This kinda' smells like last year with Deron Williams. Hill is a better player, but I don't think this moves the needle for them.
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So IT is heading back to the Kings...JK
no. They want Hill to back up and play with Thomas.
My guess is something like Thompson and Shumpert for Hill and Randolph.
That sounds really exciting for Sacramento. Why would they even consider this?
because George Hill is still owed 40 million after this year and he has been terrible for them. Randolph is stillness 25 million after this one and isn't worth that either. Shumpert can opt out this summer bit either way is way cheaper than Randolph. Thompson is overpaid a bit, but isn't as overpaid as Hill, is younger, and is far more likely to revert back to prior years form.
Put it this way, which team is going to give them anything of greater value than that for those two guys?
I'm not even sure Thompson cares about basketball anymore to be honest. He has a god awful contract
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So IT is heading back to the Kings...JK
no. They want Hill to back up and play with Thomas.
My guess is something like Thompson and Shumpert for Hill and Randolph.
That sounds really exciting for Sacramento. Why would they even consider this?
because George Hill is still owed 40 million after this year and he has been terrible for them. Randolph is stillness 25 million after this one and isn't worth that either. Shumpert can opt out this summer bit either way is way cheaper than Randolph. Thompson is overpaid a bit, but isn't as overpaid as Hill, is younger, and is far more likely to revert back to prior years form.
Put it this way, which team is going to give them anything of greater value than that for those two guys?
I'm not even sure Thompson cares about basketball anymore to be honest. He has a god awful contract
his per36 numbers are essentially identical to last year and that is with him being rusty from the injury. I think if you get him a change of scenery he should bounce back a bit. And I'd rather pay Tristan Thompson 16 million for the next two seasons than George Hill 20 million for the next two seasons from a purely contract standpoint (though Hill fits better from the Cavs perspective than Thompson does).
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I think Hill would be a great fit on the Cavs. He's a good shooter, and plays hard on defense.
In fact, I would actually start Hill and bring Thomas offense the bench, as that would give the starting lineup a bit better balance and prevent other team leads guards from having a field day with the putrid defense of Thomas.
It will never happen, as Thomas would probably try to start a mutiny, but from a purely strategic standpoint, it would be the smart move.
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So IT is heading back to the Kings...JK
no. They want Hill to back up and play with Thomas.
My guess is something like Thompson and Shumpert for Hill and Randolph.
That sounds really exciting for Sacramento. Why would they even consider this?
because George Hill is still owed 40 million after this year and he has been terrible for them. Randolph is stillness 25 million after this one and isn't worth that either. Shumpert can opt out this summer bit either way is way cheaper than Randolph. Thompson is overpaid a bit, but isn't as overpaid as Hill, is younger, and is far more likely to revert back to prior years form.
Put it this way, which team is going to give them anything of greater value than that for those two guys?
I'm not even sure Thompson cares about basketball anymore to be honest. He has a god awful contract
his per36 numbers are essentially identical to last year and that is with him being rusty from the injury. I think if you get him a change of scenery he should bounce back a bit. And I'd rather pay Tristan Thompson 16 million for the next two seasons than George Hill 20 million for the next two seasons from a purely contract standpoint (though Hill fits better from the Cavs perspective than Thompson does).
He is averaging 5 points and 6 rebounds and his most notable achievement this year is getting a kardashian pregnant. He is owed 36 million dollars the next two years. You polish that turd any harder you are going to see your reflection.
Also not sure it matters for the debate but he is owed about 18 a season average for the next couple of years
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I don't think LeBron was ever committed to IT. How long has it been rumored Cav's looking for a PG now? They should just add IT to the package of hill
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I don't think LeBron was ever committed to IT. How long has it been rumored Cav's looking for a PG now? They should just add IT to the package of hill
It really would be fascinating if they moved him, but I honestly believe it is impossible give his impending free agency and lack of production since coming back
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I don't think LeBron was ever committed to IT. How long has it been rumored Cav's looking for a PG now? They should just add IT to the package of hill
It really would be fascinating if they moved him, but I honestly believe it is impossible give his impending free agency and lack of production since coming back
His impending free agency is what would be attractive to a team looking to dump a contract.
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I don't think LeBron was ever committed to IT. How long has it been rumored Cav's looking for a PG now? They should just add IT to the package of hill
It really would be fascinating if they moved him, but I honestly believe it is impossible give his impending free agency and lack of production since coming back
A rebuilding team? Cause a playoff team is going to have to worry about him worrying about his numbers and his contract desires. Right now it looks like he is pressing
His impending free agency is what would be attractive to a team looking to dump a contract.
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So IT is heading back to the Kings...JK
no. They want Hill to back up and play with Thomas.
My guess is something like Thompson and Shumpert for Hill and Randolph.
That sounds really exciting for Sacramento. Why would they even consider this?
because George Hill is still owed 40 million after this year and he has been terrible for them. Randolph is stillness 25 million after this one and isn't worth that either. Shumpert can opt out this summer bit either way is way cheaper than Randolph. Thompson is overpaid a bit, but isn't as overpaid as Hill, is younger, and is far more likely to revert back to prior years form.
Put it this way, which team is going to give them anything of greater value than that for those two guys?
I'm not even sure Thompson cares about basketball anymore to be honest. He has a god awful contract
his per36 numbers are essentially identical to last year and that is with him being rusty from the injury. I think if you get him a change of scenery he should bounce back a bit. And I'd rather pay Tristan Thompson 16 million for the next two seasons than George Hill 20 million for the next two seasons from a purely contract standpoint (though Hill fits better from the Cavs perspective than Thompson does).
No, from a purely contract standpoint Thompson is owed more money. TT's contract is guaranteed through 2019-2020 (two more seasons). Hill is only guaranteed 1 million for 2019-2020.
I like the Sacramento Kings' structure w/George Hill $20m, $19m, $18m, last year only $1m guaranteed @BBallInsiders
https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/884841842742763520
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So IT is heading back to the Kings...JK
no. They want Hill to back up and play with Thomas.
My guess is something like Thompson and Shumpert for Hill and Randolph.
That sounds really exciting for Sacramento. Why would they even consider this?
because George Hill is still owed 40 million after this year and he has been terrible for them. Randolph is stillness 25 million after this one and isn't worth that either. Shumpert can opt out this summer bit either way is way cheaper than Randolph. Thompson is overpaid a bit, but isn't as overpaid as Hill, is younger, and is far more likely to revert back to prior years form.
Put it this way, which team is going to give them anything of greater value than that for those two guys?
I'm not even sure Thompson cares about basketball anymore to be honest. He has a god awful contract
his per36 numbers are essentially identical to last year and that is with him being rusty from the injury. I think if you get him a change of scenery he should bounce back a bit. And I'd rather pay Tristan Thompson 16 million for the next two seasons than George Hill 20 million for the next two seasons from a purely contract standpoint (though Hill fits better from the Cavs perspective than Thompson does).
He is averaging 5 points and 6 rebounds and his most notable achievement this year is getting a kardashian pregnant. He is owed 36 million dollars the next two years. You polish that turd any harder you are going to see your reflection.
Also not sure it matters for the debate but he is owed about 18 a season average for the next couple of years
He has been injured and has played under 19 mpg. Far below his norm. You give him the same minutes as last year and he averages over 8 and 9 (same as last year). Not great, but not awful and he is only 26. George Hill is 31 and only going to get worse. Thompson is owed 17.4 next year and 18.5 the year after (when he will be 27 to start that year). George Hill is owed 19 million next year and 18 million the year after when will be 32 to start the year (though the last year is partially guaranteed so it isn't terrible). Hill this year in 27 minutes is averaging a whopping 10.5 p, 2.7 a, and 3.0 r. He isn't exactly tearing it up and he is on the wrong side of 30 and only going to get worse. He does however fit better for the Cavs than Thompson does.
Randolph is 36 and is still owed another 12 million next year after the 12 million this year. Shumpert makes less than him and can opt out next summer (which he might do to avoid playing in Sacramento).
For a team like the Kings, going younger on cheaper contracts makes sense, especially since the market for someone like Hill who is making 20 million dollars this year, isn't going to be large, if for no other reason there are very few teams with disposable contracts large enough to acquire Hill that won't include worse players or worse contracts than Tristan Thompson.
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So IT is heading back to the Kings...JK
no. They want Hill to back up and play with Thomas.
My guess is something like Thompson and Shumpert for Hill and Randolph.
That sounds really exciting for Sacramento. Why would they even consider this?
because George Hill is still owed 40 million after this year and he has been terrible for them. Randolph is stillness 25 million after this one and isn't worth that either. Shumpert can opt out this summer bit either way is way cheaper than Randolph. Thompson is overpaid a bit, but isn't as overpaid as Hill, is younger, and is far more likely to revert back to prior years form.
Put it this way, which team is going to give them anything of greater value than that for those two guys?
I'm not even sure Thompson cares about basketball anymore to be honest. He has a god awful contract
his per36 numbers are essentially identical to last year and that is with him being rusty from the injury. I think if you get him a change of scenery he should bounce back a bit. And I'd rather pay Tristan Thompson 16 million for the next two seasons than George Hill 20 million for the next two seasons from a purely contract standpoint (though Hill fits better from the Cavs perspective than Thompson does).
No, from a purely contract standpoint Thompson is owed more money. TT's contract is guaranteed through 2019-2020 (two more seasons). Hill is only guaranteed 1 million for 2019-2020.
I like the Sacramento Kings' structure w/George Hill $20m, $19m, $18m, last year only $1m guaranteed @BBallInsiders
https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/884841842742763520
I am aware. I just don't think the Kings are going to do better than someone like Tristan Thompson for George Hill given his age and his contract number.
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So IT is heading back to the Kings...JK
no. They want Hill to back up and play with Thomas.
My guess is something like Thompson and Shumpert for Hill and Randolph.
That sounds really exciting for Sacramento. Why would they even consider this?
because George Hill is still owed 40 million after this year and he has been terrible for them. Randolph is stillness 25 million after this one and isn't worth that either. Shumpert can opt out this summer bit either way is way cheaper than Randolph. Thompson is overpaid a bit, but isn't as overpaid as Hill, is younger, and is far more likely to revert back to prior years form.
Put it this way, which team is going to give them anything of greater value than that for those two guys?
I'm not even sure Thompson cares about basketball anymore to be honest. He has a god awful contract
his per36 numbers are essentially identical to last year and that is with him being rusty from the injury. I think if you get him a change of scenery he should bounce back a bit. And I'd rather pay Tristan Thompson 16 million for the next two seasons than George Hill 20 million for the next two seasons from a purely contract standpoint (though Hill fits better from the Cavs perspective than Thompson does).
No, from a purely contract standpoint Thompson is owed more money. TT's contract is guaranteed through 2019-2020 (two more seasons). Hill is only guaranteed 1 million for 2019-2020.
I like the Sacramento Kings' structure w/George Hill $20m, $19m, $18m, last year only $1m guaranteed @BBallInsiders
https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/884841842742763520
I am aware. I just don't think the Kings are going to do better than someone like Tristan Thompson for George Hill given his age and his contract number.
It makes zero sense for the Kings to take on more long-term money, especially for a player that is of no use to them. Effectively, Hill is only under contract for one more year, if Thompson is the best they can do, then the Kings would be better serve to just keep Hill.
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I don't think LeBron was ever committed to IT. How long has it been rumored Cav's looking for a PG now? They should just add IT to the package of hill
It really would be fascinating if they moved him, but I honestly believe it is impossible give his impending free agency and lack of production since coming back
He is an expiring contract, so a team will take him for that reason alone.
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Here it is. Picks need to sweeten it up, but Sacto gets better salary/contracts, LAC gets young pigs and rids themselves of Beverly, and Cavs get DJ and Hill.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7y7o67j
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Here it is. Picks need to sweeten it up, but Sacto gets better salary/contracts, LAC gets young pigs and rids themselves of Beverly, and Cavs get DJ and Hill.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7y7o67j
"young pigs"? Why would the clippers make that trade?
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I don't think LeBron was ever committed to IT. How long has it been rumored Cav's looking for a PG now? They should just add IT to the package of hill
It really would be fascinating if they moved him, but I honestly believe it is impossible give his impending free agency and lack of production since coming back
He is an expiring contract, so a team will take him for that reason alone.
Teams will take IT but no one is going to give up anything significant for him.
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Here it is. Picks need to sweeten it up, but Sacto gets better salary/contracts, LAC gets young pigs and rids themselves of Beverly, and Cavs get DJ and Hill.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7y7o67j
"young pigs"? Why would the clippers make that trade?
Lol my fault. Young BIGs. LAC does it to get younger while remaining competitive and turning the page on Jordan’s contract. LAC isn’t beating gsw and needs to look to 2-3 years from now imo. Also gets rid of injured Beverly too. Sacto gets better, shorter contracts back instead of Hill.
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When I look up cancer and when I look up punk the same picture comes up
(http://dreamsports.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/jr-smith-2.jpg)
Who would want him?
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So IT is heading back to the Kings...JK
no. They want Hill to back up and play with Thomas.
My guess is something like Thompson and Shumpert for Hill and Randolph.
That sounds really exciting for Sacramento. Why would they even consider this?
because George Hill is still owed 40 million after this year and he has been terrible for them. Randolph is stillness 25 million after this one and isn't worth that either. Shumpert can opt out this summer bit either way is way cheaper than Randolph. Thompson is overpaid a bit, but isn't as overpaid as Hill, is younger, and is far more likely to revert back to prior years form.
Put it this way, which team is going to give them anything of greater value than that for those two guys?
I'm not even sure Thompson cares about basketball anymore to be honest. He has a god awful contract
his per36 numbers are essentially identical to last year and that is with him being rusty from the injury. I think if you get him a change of scenery he should bounce back a bit. And I'd rather pay Tristan Thompson 16 million for the next two seasons than George Hill 20 million for the next two seasons from a purely contract standpoint (though Hill fits better from the Cavs perspective than Thompson does).
No, from a purely contract standpoint Thompson is owed more money. TT's contract is guaranteed through 2019-2020 (two more seasons). Hill is only guaranteed 1 million for 2019-2020.
I like the Sacramento Kings' structure w/George Hill $20m, $19m, $18m, last year only $1m guaranteed @BBallInsiders
https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/884841842742763520
I am aware. I just don't think the Kings are going to do better than someone like Tristan Thompson for George Hill given his age and his contract number.
It makes zero sense for the Kings to take on more long-term money, especially for a player that is of no use to them. Effectively, Hill is only under contract for one more year, if Thompson is the best they can do, then the Kings would be better serve to just keep Hill.
I agree with this. Thompson is a net negative given his terrible contract. They would be better off letting him expire