Nice write-up FlCelts. Please change date to 2/27/17 in title of thread.
Hoping Brad stops pulling the reigns on Jaylen after hot starts. Keep him in the game. Kid capable of 20 points a game with decent minutes, especially with other teams doubling IT.
TP FLCeltsFan!
So should we expect AB tonight even on limited minutes, or no?
I really dislike Schrodinger
I really dislike Schrodinger
I'm not really certain of my opinion on him.
at this point I'm not sure if he is a NBA point guards or not.I really dislike Schrodinger
I'm not really certain of my opinion on him.
I really dislike Schrodinger
I'm not really certain of my opinion on him.
I really dislike Schrodinger
AB is playing! Good to see him back, but I wonder how long it will take to shake the rust off
Yeah, much betterI really dislike Schrodinger
He reminds me of Jackson on the Pistons ......giant eyeballs and red hot temper
They were better with Teague
You can tell AB hasn't played with this group in forever. Chemistry certainly isn't there.
You can tell AB hasn't played with this group in forever. Chemistry certainly isn't there.
You can tell AB hasn't played with this group in forever. Chemistry certainly isn't there.
I'm missing Brown already :blank:
C'mon, IT, stop this forcing crap!
I cried a little. That was beautifulBall movement like that is so sweet to watch
Brown with another Kobe move
New York up 15 on the Raptors in the 2nd!
Brown with another Kobe move
The Kid is a joy to watch!
New York up 15 on the Raptors in the 2nd!
Never trust the Knicks!
Kelly's a little slap-happy tonight. Reign it in, big guy.
I still say that if we can't get Griffin or Hayward this summer, Milsap would be an ideal consolation prize.
I still say that if we can't get Griffin or Hayward this summer, Milsap would be an ideal consolation prize.Hed fit really well but he is 32 and thats a big big contract.
New York up 15 on the Raptors in the 2nd!
Never trust the Knicks!
Words to live by!
Is IT 20 point strick going to end?I bet he gets 20 tonight.
I still say that if we can't get Griffin or Hayward this summer, Milsap would be an ideal consolation prize.
But I just don't know where he will get us? We still aren't beating Cavs with that core and he's old enough that we shouldn't be putting max money into him .
This forums servers are crazy slow lately , anyone else having issues?
We aint winning a ring with Horford.
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Awful
And already getting outrebounded by 10, but Danny thinks we don't need another rebounder. ;)
If you guys think IT can do what he did when the going gets tough and teams actually play defense you are nuts/
IT has to freaking pass those off and stop forcing it down low with this big team. He's 2-9 now due to all these forced shots.
He's absolutely killing us out there at the moment between his forced shots and 3 turnovers. STOP FORCING!!
Where's Jaylen Brown?
Where's Jaylen Brown?
He needs all of Rozier's minutes.
Where's Jaylen Brown?
couldnt agree more. Im in favor of a Rozier-free rotation.Where's Jaylen Brown?
He needs all of Rozier's minutes.
At least.
We won't win this game playing with this level of emotionhas been true of far too many games this season.
Only Smart looks locked in.
IT sailing around in La La land.
Being outrebounded by 12, and Howard already has 5 offensive rebounds. Naw, Danny, we don't need a rebounder. Better hope we get Bogut.
We won't win this game playing with this level of emotion
Only Smart looks locked in.
IT sailing around in La La land.
Yeah, Howard didn't do anything wrong with that IT grab. So ridiculous. I don't even know what a flagrant is in the NBA anymore. It's so arbitrary and changes from game to game.
love it from big AlMaybe this gets Al going on the offensive end.
Enough with the 1 on 3's. It's fun when it works, but he's got to keep his teammates in the game and the defense honest. Pass the dang ball.agreed, too much hero ball. yet again
Enough with the 1 on 3's. It's fun when it works, but he's got to keep his teammates in the game and the defense honest. Pass the dang ball.
Kelly was on fire two weeks ago. Now he's a bum again.
Brad needs to bench IT and settle him down. Forcing everything out there and hurting us. 3-16 now with 4 TOs.
Brad needs to bench IT and settle him down. Forcing everything out there and hurting us. 3-16 now with 4 TOs.
But then we'd have no one to rebound! :)
Getting killed by another team's superior bigs, per usual.
But we're not going to upgrade, because Danny likes our current team, even though we have the softest big man rotation in the league.
Getting killed by another team's superior bigs, per usual.Not the real issue tonight. It's their shooting. 35% right now.
But we're not going to upgrade, because Danny likes our current team, even though we have the softest big man rotation in the league.
Getting killed by another team's superior bigs, per usual.Not the real issue tonight. It's their shooting. 35% right now.
But we're not going to upgrade, because Danny likes our current team, even though we have the softest big man rotation in the league.
Kelly, you are 7 feet tall. No need to stop your move there. Third time tonight. Go Kelly, continue the move.
Is Dwight Howard the dumbest person to ever play basketball?
Is Dwight Howard the dumbest person to ever play basketball?
Come on Cbs. Get Jaylen back in!
Seriously, when does Brad have a talk with IT about forcing shots and trying to do too much? The last half dozen games or so he's let all of this talk go to his head and has been forcing way too much. 3-17 tonight with 4 TOs is just unacceptable for our star player.When he gets another player who can create their own shot?
Come on Cbs. Get Jaylen back in!
Game is definitely more fun to watch when the rookie's playing.
Brad needs to bench IT and settle him down. Forcing everything out there and hurting us. 3-16 now with 4 TOs.
tonight he's creating inflated block stats for the other team. passing the ball around might resolve both issuesSeriously, when does Brad have a talk with IT about forcing shots and trying to do too much? The last half dozen games or so he's let all of this talk go to his head and has been forcing way too much. 3-17 tonight with 4 TOs is just unacceptable for our star player.When he gets another player who can create their own shot?
Brad needs to bench IT and settle him down. Forcing everything out there and hurting us. 3-16 now with 4 TOs.
These refs blow. How did you not call a foul for KO then call that weak foul for Milsap? Garbage.
tonight he's creating inflated block stats for the other team. passing the ball around might resolve both issuesSeriously, when does Brad have a talk with IT about forcing shots and trying to do too much? The last half dozen games or so he's let all of this talk go to his head and has been forcing way too much. 3-17 tonight with 4 TOs is just unacceptable for our star player.When he gets another player who can create their own shot?
These refs blow. How did you not call a foul for KO then call that weak foul for Milsap? Garbage.
When KO becomes a basketball player he'll get the calls
Team is going to put it together in the 4th and will win this by 8.
This team is screwed if IT has an off night. Offense is nonexistent when he's off. Don't care what everyone says about getting a rim protector. Getting another scorer should be priority number one.
This team is screwed if IT has an off night. Offense is nonexistent when he's off. Don't care what everyone says about getting a rim protector. Getting another scorer should be priority number one.honestly its as much Thomas's fault as anyone elses. Hes taken 17 shots tonight and made 3. I understand that hes earned the right to shoot through his slumps and that if we had another scorer he might not have to be as aggressive, but its tough to blame 3/17 on teammates.
This team is screwed if IT has an off night. Offense is nonexistent when he's off. Don't care what everyone says about getting a rim protector. Getting another scorer should be priority number one.
We don't know that. Right now, he's the only one on the team that can consistently score. They are shooting 30%. I don't rhino he has any sort of confidence in anyone else on the team to consistently score.This team is screwed if IT has an off night. Offense is nonexistent when he's off. Don't care what everyone says about getting a rim protector. Getting another scorer should be priority number one.
The problem is IT becomes a blackhole if his shots are not falling. Even if there is another scorer, he wouldn't get touch because IT is forcing the issue.
Team is going to put it together in the 4th and will win this by 8.
He's having a bad shooting night no doubt and the past couple of games. But the rest of the team ain't helping either.This team is screwed if IT has an off night. Offense is nonexistent when he's off. Don't care what everyone says about getting a rim protector. Getting another scorer should be priority number one.honestly its as much Thomas's fault as anyone elses. Hes taken 17 shots tonight and made 3. I understand that hes earned the right to shoot through his slumps and that if we had another scorer he might not have to be as aggressive, but its tough to blame 3/17 on teammates.
Getting outrebounded by 16. But, once again, just another reminder that Danny said we didn't need another rebounder that might hurt this offense.
What's even worse is that the Raptors won tonight, too, so they'd just be two freaking games back of us now if we lose this.
He needs to trust more his teammates. His selfishness could lead to this team's downfall. Like I said earlier, he needs to learn when to pass and when to take over. If his shots are not falling, play within the offense and stop forcing the issue.We don't know that. Right now, he's the only one on the team that can consistently score. They are shooting 30%. I don't rhino he has any sort of confidence in anyone else on the team to consistently score.This team is screwed if IT has an off night. Offense is nonexistent when he's off. Don't care what everyone says about getting a rim protector. Getting another scorer should be priority number one.
The problem is IT becomes a blackhole if his shots are not falling. Even if there is another scorer, he wouldn't get touch because IT is forcing the issue.
Again, they are collectively shooting a shade over 30% tonight.He needs to trust more his teammates. His selfishness could lead to this team's downfall. Like I said earlier, he needs to learn when to pass and when to take over. If his shots are not falling, play within the offense and stop forcing the issue.We don't know that. Right now, he's the only one on the team that can consistently score. They are shooting 30%. I don't rhino he has any sort of confidence in anyone else on the team to consistently score.This team is screwed if IT has an off night. Offense is nonexistent when he's off. Don't care what everyone says about getting a rim protector. Getting another scorer should be priority number one.
The problem is IT becomes a blackhole if his shots are not falling. Even if there is another scorer, he wouldn't get touch because IT is forcing the issue.
Trade deadline guys that would have helped the Celtics bench...
Noel
Tucker
Bogdanovic
Ibaka
Gibson
Lou Williams
Ilyasova
Anyone
He's having a bad shooting night no doubt and the past couple of games. But the rest of the team ain't helping either.This team is screwed if IT has an off night. Offense is nonexistent when he's off. Don't care what everyone says about getting a rim protector. Getting another scorer should be priority number one.honestly its as much Thomas's fault as anyone elses. Hes taken 17 shots tonight and made 3. I understand that hes earned the right to shoot through his slumps and that if we had another scorer he might not have to be as aggressive, but its tough to blame 3/17 on teammates.
Again, they are collectively shooting a shade over 30% tonight.He needs to trust more his teammates. His selfishness could lead to this team's downfall. Like I said earlier, he needs to learn when to pass and when to take over. If his shots are not falling, play within the offense and stop forcing the issue.We don't know that. Right now, he's the only one on the team that can consistently score. They are shooting 30%. I don't rhino he has any sort of confidence in anyone else on the team to consistently score.This team is screwed if IT has an off night. Offense is nonexistent when he's off. Don't care what everyone says about getting a rim protector. Getting another scorer should be priority number one.
The problem is IT becomes a blackhole if his shots are not falling. Even if there is another scorer, he wouldn't get touch because IT is forcing the issue.
we are about to get to that magic number of getting outrebounded by 20
He needs to trust more his teammates. His selfishness could lead to this team's downfall. Like I said earlier, he needs to learn when to pass and when to take over. If his shots are not falling, play within the offense and stop forcing the issue.We don't know that. Right now, he's the only one on the team that can consistently score. They are shooting 30%. I don't rhino he has any sort of confidence in anyone else on the team to consistently score.This team is screwed if IT has an off night. Offense is nonexistent when he's off. Don't care what everyone says about getting a rim protector. Getting another scorer should be priority number one.
The problem is IT becomes a blackhole if his shots are not falling. Even if there is another scorer, he wouldn't get touch because IT is forcing the issue.
Bill Simmons isn't letting Danny off the hook for this deadline either.
https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/836403799468040192QuoteTrade deadline guys that would have helped the Celtics bench...
Noel
Tucker
Bogdanovic
Ibaka
Gibson
Lou Williams
Ilyasova
Anyone
But, no, let's hoard all of these lesser assets so that we can field a D-League team and an international team.
Pull Isaiah. End the streak right now. IT has 17.I'm with you!
tonight he's creating inflated block stats for the other team. passing the ball around might resolve both issuesSeriously, when does Brad have a talk with IT about forcing shots and trying to do too much? The last half dozen games or so he's let all of this talk go to his head and has been forcing way too much. 3-17 tonight with 4 TOs is just unacceptable for our star player.When he gets another player who can create their own shot?
Yep. He can still penetrate and kick, which he should've done several times tonight instead of taking it amongst the trees.
Once again, at least our young guys in Smart and Brown came to play.
He needs to trust more his teammates. His selfishness could lead to this team's downfall. Like I said earlier, he needs to learn when to pass and when to take over. If his shots are not falling, play within the offense and stop forcing the issue.We don't know that. Right now, he's the only one on the team that can consistently score. They are shooting 30%. I don't rhino he has any sort of confidence in anyone else on the team to consistently score.This team is screwed if IT has an off night. Offense is nonexistent when he's off. Don't care what everyone says about getting a rim protector. Getting another scorer should be priority number one.
The problem is IT becomes a blackhole if his shots are not falling. Even if there is another scorer, he wouldn't get touch because IT is forcing the issue.
Amen. All of this MVP candidate talk has went to his head and you can tell it has in the last half dozen games or so when he's started forcing way too often.
Again, they are collectively shooting a shade over 30% tonight.He needs to trust more his teammates. His selfishness could lead to this team's downfall. Like I said earlier, he needs to learn when to pass and when to take over. If his shots are not falling, play within the offense and stop forcing the issue.We don't know that. Right now, he's the only one on the team that can consistently score. They are shooting 30%. I don't rhino he has any sort of confidence in anyone else on the team to consistently score.This team is screwed if IT has an off night. Offense is nonexistent when he's off. Don't care what everyone says about getting a rim protector. Getting another scorer should be priority number one.
The problem is IT becomes a blackhole if his shots are not falling. Even if there is another scorer, he wouldn't get touch because IT is forcing the issue.
Just one of those nights.
On the bright side, Brown looks good!
fixed that for you. IT has always had issues passing from not being able to see over/around players in the paint to having to jump to make passes that other PGs can make without leaving their feet.tonight he's creating inflated block stats for the other team. passing the ball around might resolve both issuesSeriously, when does Brad have a talk with IT about forcing shots and trying to do too much? The last half dozen games or so he's let all of this talk go to his head and has been forcing way too much. 3-17 tonight with 4 TOs is just unacceptable for our star player.When he gets another player who can create their own shot?
Yep. He can still penetrate and kick, which he should've done several times tonight instead of taking it amongst the trees.
He can't kick when he drives into the paint becauseAtlanta'sall other teams are too long, so he can't see where his players are. That's part of why everyone stand still when Isaiah drives the lane so he can try to throw it to where he last saw somebody.
tonight he's creating inflated block stats for the other team. passing the ball around might resolve both issuesSeriously, when does Brad have a talk with IT about forcing shots and trying to do too much? The last half dozen games or so he's let all of this talk go to his head and has been forcing way too much. 3-17 tonight with 4 TOs is just unacceptable for our star player.When he gets another player who can create their own shot?
Yep. He can still penetrate and kick, which he should've done several times tonight instead of taking it amongst the trees.
He can't kick when he drives into the paint because Atlanta's too long, so he can't see where his players are. That's part of why everyone stand still when Isaiah drives the lane so he can try to throw it to where he last saw somebody.
Just one of those nights.
On the bright side, Brown looks good!
Brown looking really good!
I only watch this team for Smart and Jaylen at this point.
Bill Simmons isn't letting Danny off the hook for this deadline either.
https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/836403799468040192QuoteTrade deadline guys that would have helped the Celtics bench...
Noel
Tucker
Bogdanovic
Ibaka
Gibson
Lou Williams
Ilyasova
Anyone
But, no, let's hoard all of these lesser assets so that we can field a D-League team and an international team.
Bill Simmons isn't letting Danny off the hook for this deadline either.
https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/836403799468040192QuoteTrade deadline guys that would have helped the Celtics bench...
Noel
Tucker
Bogdanovic
Ibaka
Gibson
Lou Williams
Ilyasova
Anyone
But, no, let's hoard all of these lesser assets so that we can field a D-League team and an international team.
None of those guys get us past Cleveland, let alone the Warriors. Few of them would have any long term future with the team, so we'd be giving up assets for...what? A couple more regular season wins?
And I'm not sure I'd want any of those guys over Bogut, but signing any of them would preclude getting him.
Mike
At least Jaylen and Smart came to play today
Bill Simmons isn't letting Danny off the hook for this deadline either.
https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/836403799468040192QuoteTrade deadline guys that would have helped the Celtics bench...
Noel
Tucker
Bogdanovic
Ibaka
Gibson
Lou Williams
Ilyasova
Anyone
But, no, let's hoard all of these lesser assets so that we can field a D-League team and an international team.
None of those guys get us past Cleveland, let alone the Warriors. Few of them would have any long term future with the team, so we'd be giving up assets for...what? A couple more regular season wins?
And I'm not sure I'd want any of those guys over Bogut, but signing any of them would preclude getting him.
Mike
I only watch this team for Smart and Jaylen at this point.
IT was horrible tonight, and I'm glad the streak ended, because the way he was chasing it was dangerous, but the number of people killing him is ridiculous. Harden has bad games. Westbrook has bad games. Isaiah has bad games. It's okay; he's human. We're nowhere without Isaiah, and we should remember that.
IT was horrible tonight, and I'm glad the streak ended, because the way he was chasing it was dangerous, but the number of people killing him is ridiculous. Harden has bad games. Westbrook has bad games. Isaiah has bad games. It's okay; he's human. We're nowhere without Isaiah, and we should remember that.
IT was horrible tonight, and I'm glad the streak ended, because the way he was chasing it was dangerous, but the number of people killing him is ridiculous. Harden has bad games. Westbrook has bad games. Isaiah has bad games. It's okay; he's human. We're nowhere without Isaiah, and we should remember that.
We're nowhere with him so :P
IT was horrible tonight, and I'm glad the streak ended, because the way he was chasing it was dangerous, but the number of people killing him is ridiculous. Harden has bad games. Westbrook has bad games. Isaiah has bad games. It's okay; he's human. We're nowhere without Isaiah, and we should remember that.
IT was horrible tonight, and I'm glad the streak ended, because the way he was chasing it was dangerous, but the number of people killing him is ridiculous. Harden has bad games. Westbrook has bad games. Isaiah has bad games. It's okay; he's human. We're nowhere without Isaiah, and we should remember that.
We're nowhere with him so :P
As with most of your posts, this is just nonsensical. We're the 2 seed and on pace for over 50 wins.
IT was horrible tonight, and I'm glad the streak ended, because the way he was chasing it was dangerous, but the number of people killing him is ridiculous. Harden has bad games. Westbrook has bad games. Isaiah has bad games. It's okay; he's human. We're nowhere without Isaiah, and we should remember that.
No, we're probably not a playoff team without Isaiah, but where would he be without the Celtics?
He's gotten to this point not only due to his talent but also due to this offense and playing within this system. He's been playing selfishly and it's hurt the team at times. He has to get back to playing more team-oriented ball.
last year they got Kevin Durant so IDKIT was horrible tonight, and I'm glad the streak ended, because the way he was chasing it was dangerous, but the number of people killing him is ridiculous. Harden has bad games. Westbrook has bad games. Isaiah has bad games. It's okay; he's human. We're nowhere without Isaiah, and we should remember that.
We're nowhere with him so :P
As with most of your posts, this is just nonsensical. We're the 2 seed and on pace for over 50 wins.
So what's second place get? A cookie?
You really do enjoy when the Celtics lose, don't you? You get some sick high, some wierd form of vindication because when they lose it somehow makes you think you're right in being able to spew all the negative, hate filled crap thats been coming out of you for years. You're act is growing old man. Everyone has figured out you're nothing more than a Celtic hating troll that just likes to insite people.IT was horrible tonight, and I'm glad the streak ended, because the way he was chasing it was dangerous, but the number of people killing him is ridiculous. Harden has bad games. Westbrook has bad games. Isaiah has bad games. It's okay; he's human. We're nowhere without Isaiah, and we should remember that.
We're nowhere with him so :P
IT was horrible tonight, and I'm glad the streak ended, because the way he was chasing it was dangerous, but the number of people killing him is ridiculous. Harden has bad games. Westbrook has bad games. Isaiah has bad games. It's okay; he's human. We're nowhere without Isaiah, and we should remember that.
No, we're probably not a playoff team without Isaiah, but where would he be without the Celtics?
He's gotten to this point not only due to his talent but also due to this offense and playing within this system. He's been playing selfishly and it's hurt the team at times. He has to get back to playing more team-oriented ball.
Pretty much this. Let's not pretend that this system hasn't elevated his offense to this point by giving him all the freedom, touches, and shots he wants. But he's went overboard with that freedom lately, and Brad has to reign him in.
And let's also not forget the fact that IT is a MAJOR negative on the defensive end of the floor, so he's actually significantly hurting us on both ends of the floor when he has off offensive nights and forces up crap possessions all night long. If he wants a max contract, then he has to be better.
Max mentioned Russ and Harden, but neither of them are the major defensive negative that IT is due to his historically small size. They also do other things in the offense and rebound much more than IT, so they're not as limited to scoring as IT is.
If he wants a max contract, then these types of nights just can't happen for him. He's too incomplete of a player to do so. Missing 17 shots and having 7 TOs is just inexcusable, and it goes way beyond him just having a bad shooting night and gets into him forcing shots trying to get his. That's selfish basketball and has no place on our team.
Just watched the highlights. Dwight shoved Horford and the Celtics still lose.
Man what is wrong with this team post-All Star Break.
You really do enjoy when the Celtics lose, don't you? You get some sick high, some wierd form of vindication because when they lose it somehow makes you think you're right in being able to spew all the negative, hate filled crap thats been coming out of you for years. You're act is growing old man. Everyone has figured out you're nothing more than a Celtic hating troll that just likes to insite people.IT was horrible tonight, and I'm glad the streak ended, because the way he was chasing it was dangerous, but the number of people killing him is ridiculous. Harden has bad games. Westbrook has bad games. Isaiah has bad games. It's okay; he's human. We're nowhere without Isaiah, and we should remember that.
We're nowhere with him so :P
everyone is under the impression that they are a realist.You really do enjoy when the Celtics lose, don't you? You get some sick high, some wierd form of vindication because when they lose it somehow makes you think you're right in being able to spew all the negative, hate filled crap thats been coming out of you for years. You're act is growing old man. Everyone has figured out you're nothing more than a Celtic hating troll that just likes to insite people.IT was horrible tonight, and I'm glad the streak ended, because the way he was chasing it was dangerous, but the number of people killing him is ridiculous. Harden has bad games. Westbrook has bad games. Isaiah has bad games. It's okay; he's human. We're nowhere without Isaiah, and we should remember that.
We're nowhere with him so :P
I'm a realist! If your ok with watching a team built to bounce in the second round year after year then maybe you don't understand the definition of a fan. fans have passion for their team and don't just take what their given and accept it. If I have passion for something and I see it possibly being harmed I'm gonna say something not just sit back and be ok with it happening. If your ok with watching an overachieving squad get exposed in the playoffs year after year then so be it. If your ok with a team sport being determined by the contributions of one player, then you enjoy it. If your ok with watching teams around you get better and your team continues to struggle in glaring spots without it being addressed, then you enjoy that. But don't come barking at me about fandom when I want this team to be better while you and your kind are ok with whatever you get.
everyone is under the impression that they are a realist.You really do enjoy when the Celtics lose, don't you? You get some sick high, some wierd form of vindication because when they lose it somehow makes you think you're right in being able to spew all the negative, hate filled crap thats been coming out of you for years. You're act is growing old man. Everyone has figured out you're nothing more than a Celtic hating troll that just likes to insite people.IT was horrible tonight, and I'm glad the streak ended, because the way he was chasing it was dangerous, but the number of people killing him is ridiculous. Harden has bad games. Westbrook has bad games. Isaiah has bad games. It's okay; he's human. We're nowhere without Isaiah, and we should remember that.
We're nowhere with him so :P
I'm a realist! If your ok with watching a team built to bounce in the second round year after year then maybe you don't understand the definition of a fan. fans have passion for their team and don't just take what their given and accept it. If I have passion for something and I see it possibly being harmed I'm gonna say something not just sit back and be ok with it happening. If your ok with watching an overachieving squad get exposed in the playoffs year after year then so be it. If your ok with a team sport being determined by the contributions of one player, then you enjoy it. If your ok with watching teams around you get better and your team continues to struggle in glaring spots without it being addressed, then you enjoy that. But don't come barking at me about fandom when I want this team to be better while you and your kind are ok with whatever you get.
youve basically stated that if you dont win a championship its all pointless, so your standard is pretty ridiculously high.
If only 3% of the league can be succesful in a given season Id argue you have a rather pessimistic outlook.