The NBA is too all in on gambling.

[Celtics2021]

People gamble. Lots and lots of people. It is much better to be up front and open about it.  Take out kfnthe dark corners and bring it to the light. Get people help that need it.  Much better to have it be front and center than hide it in the back and ignore it.

There's a fine line between bringing something into the light and spotlighting it. Sports are doing more and more of the second, which only grows gambling.

Highlighting it the way the NBA and NFL are doing almost certainly causes some harm, regardless of how many gambling addiction ads and excerpts they run.

what do you think causes more harm, gambling or alcohol?  This criticism just seems weird to me given just how much alcohol related content there has been for years and years.

Care to share a recent alcohol-themed segment of league-sponsored NBA coverage?

https://www.nba.com/news/michelob-ultra-becomes-nbas-first-ever-global-beer-partner

[Donoghus]

People gamble. Lots and lots of people. It is much better to be up front and open about it.  Take out kfnthe dark corners and bring it to the light. Get people help that need it.  Much better to have it be front and center than hide it in the back and ignore it.

There's a fine line between bringing something into the light and spotlighting it. Sports are doing more and more of the second, which only grows gambling.

Highlighting it the way the NBA and NFL are doing almost certainly causes some harm, regardless of how many gambling addiction ads and excerpts they run.

what do you think causes more harm, gambling or alcohol?  This criticism just seems weird to me given just how much alcohol related content there has been for years and years.

Care to share a recent alcohol-themed segment of league-sponsored NBA coverage?

https://www.nba.com/news/michelob-ultra-becomes-nbas-first-ever-global-beer-partner

Well, to be fair, Ultra isn't much of a beer. 

[Kernewek]

People gamble. Lots and lots of people. It is much better to be up front and open about it.  Take out kfnthe dark corners and bring it to the light. Get people help that need it.  Much better to have it be front and center than hide it in the back and ignore it.

There's a fine line between bringing something into the light and spotlighting it. Sports are doing more and more of the second, which only grows gambling.

Highlighting it the way the NBA and NFL are doing almost certainly causes some harm, regardless of how many gambling addiction ads and excerpts they run.

what do you think causes more harm, gambling or alcohol?  This criticism just seems weird to me given just how much alcohol related content there has been for years and years.

Care to share a recent alcohol-themed segment of league-sponsored NBA coverage?

https://www.nba.com/news/michelob-ultra-becomes-nbas-first-ever-global-beer-partner

I might be alone here, but having a sponsor-partnership (which is what the presser details, more or less) feels fundamentally different from, say, dedicating an analytical segment to just how much better Jayson Tatum plays after downing two ice-cold bottles of Michelob pish at the half.

[Moranis]

People gamble. Lots and lots of people. It is much better to be up front and open about it.  Take out kfnthe dark corners and bring it to the light. Get people help that need it.  Much better to have it be front and center than hide it in the back and ignore it.

There's a fine line between bringing something into the light and spotlighting it. Sports are doing more and more of the second, which only grows gambling.

Highlighting it the way the NBA and NFL are doing almost certainly causes some harm, regardless of how many gambling addiction ads and excerpts they run.

what do you think causes more harm, gambling or alcohol?  This criticism just seems weird to me given just how much alcohol related content there has been for years and years.

Care to share a recent alcohol-themed segment of league-sponsored NBA coverage?

https://www.nba.com/news/michelob-ultra-becomes-nbas-first-ever-global-beer-partner

that is the global partnership they've been a partner of the NBA since the 90's and they aren't the only one.

I just think this criticism of gambling is odd, when something far more deadly has been a league partner for decades and decades. I get that you aren't going to see segments dedicated to beer, like you might with gambling, but alcohol is all over the television production and I really don't see the difference.  And for all the talk of betting lines, prop bets, etc. that is based on actual data, like in his last 5 games against the Knicks, Tatum has averaged 33 ppg, so taking the over of 28.5 may make sense. Even you don't gamble it could be interesting and relevant to the actual broadcast.

[Amonkey]

People gamble. Lots and lots of people. It is much better to be up front and open about it.  Take out kfnthe dark corners and bring it to the light. Get people help that need it.  Much better to have it be front and center than hide it in the back and ignore it.

There's a fine line between bringing something into the light and spotlighting it. Sports are doing more and more of the second, which only grows gambling.

Highlighting it the way the NBA and NFL are doing almost certainly causes some harm, regardless of how many gambling addiction ads and excerpts they run.

what do you think causes more harm, gambling or alcohol?  This criticism just seems weird to me given just how much alcohol related content there has been for years and years.

Care to share a recent alcohol-themed segment of league-sponsored NBA coverage?

https://www.nba.com/news/michelob-ultra-becomes-nbas-first-ever-global-beer-partner

I might be alone here, but having a sponsor-partnership (which is what the presser details, more or less) feels fundamentally different from, say, dedicating an analytical segment to just how much better Jayson Tatum plays after downing two ice-cold bottles of Michelob pish at the half.

It is a wild turn how taboo gambling was only a few years ago to now being all over the place. I am very thankful that I don't have those gambling tendencies with sports gambling now and living near Encore Casino where I could go to the slots while my wife is shopping at Target. I do think that these sports organizations are capitalizing on gambling just like they do with alcohol and encouraging gamblers and alcoholics are just becomes the byproduct of capitalism.

[Kernewek]

People gamble. Lots and lots of people. It is much better to be up front and open about it.  Take out kfnthe dark corners and bring it to the light. Get people help that need it.  Much better to have it be front and center than hide it in the back and ignore it.

There's a fine line between bringing something into the light and spotlighting it. Sports are doing more and more of the second, which only grows gambling.

Highlighting it the way the NBA and NFL are doing almost certainly causes some harm, regardless of how many gambling addiction ads and excerpts they run.

what do you think causes more harm, gambling or alcohol?  This criticism just seems weird to me given just how much alcohol related content there has been for years and years.

Care to share a recent alcohol-themed segment of league-sponsored NBA coverage?

https://www.nba.com/news/michelob-ultra-becomes-nbas-first-ever-global-beer-partner

that is the global partnership they've been a partner of the NBA since the 90's and they aren't the only one.

I just think this criticism of gambling is odd, when something far more deadly has been a league partner for decades and decades. I get that you aren't going to see segments dedicated to beer, like you might with gambling, but alcohol is all over the television production and I really don't see the difference.  And for all the talk of betting lines, prop bets, etc. that is based on actual data, like in his last 5 games against the Knicks, Tatum has averaged 33 ppg, so taking the over of 28.5 may make sense. Even you don't gamble it could be interesting and relevant to the actual broadcast.

Ah, but I contend that it's neither interesting nor relevant content (to me) and it impacts the broadcast and the discourse in a way that is fundamentally different from a replay of 'the dunk of the game' or whatever that is sponsored by Michelob.

For the record, I have zero reservations about people drinking or people gambling (though for full disclosure, I don't gamble, and I do drink). The morality is not a point of concern, for me.

[Moranis]

People gamble. Lots and lots of people. It is much better to be up front and open about it.  Take out kfnthe dark corners and bring it to the light. Get people help that need it.  Much better to have it be front and center than hide it in the back and ignore it.

There's a fine line between bringing something into the light and spotlighting it. Sports are doing more and more of the second, which only grows gambling.

Highlighting it the way the NBA and NFL are doing almost certainly causes some harm, regardless of how many gambling addiction ads and excerpts they run.

what do you think causes more harm, gambling or alcohol?  This criticism just seems weird to me given just how much alcohol related content there has been for years and years.

Care to share a recent alcohol-themed segment of league-sponsored NBA coverage?

https://www.nba.com/news/michelob-ultra-becomes-nbas-first-ever-global-beer-partner

that is the global partnership they've been a partner of the NBA since the 90's and they aren't the only one.

I just think this criticism of gambling is odd, when something far more deadly has been a league partner for decades and decades. I get that you aren't going to see segments dedicated to beer, like you might with gambling, but alcohol is all over the television production and I really don't see the difference.  And for all the talk of betting lines, prop bets, etc. that is based on actual data, like in his last 5 games against the Knicks, Tatum has averaged 33 ppg, so taking the over of 28.5 may make sense. Even you don't gamble it could be interesting and relevant to the actual broadcast.

Ah, but I contend that it's neither interesting nor relevant content (to me) and it impacts the broadcast and the discourse in a way that is fundamentally different from a replay of 'the dunk of the game' or whatever that is sponsored by Michelob.

For the record, I have zero reservations about people drinking or people gambling (though for full disclosure, I don't gamble, and I do drink). The morality is not a point of concern, for me.

Sure some people don't like analytics or data based discussion, but some people do, whether they gamble or not, but it does relate to analysis of the two teams. Take draft coverage. Some people really like the metrics, some like the fluff, and some just want to know about who ends up on what team. The broadcast has to cover all types or no one will watch

[Kernewek]

People gamble. Lots and lots of people. It is much better to be up front and open about it.  Take out kfnthe dark corners and bring it to the light. Get people help that need it.  Much better to have it be front and center than hide it in the back and ignore it.

There's a fine line between bringing something into the light and spotlighting it. Sports are doing more and more of the second, which only grows gambling.

Highlighting it the way the NBA and NFL are doing almost certainly causes some harm, regardless of how many gambling addiction ads and excerpts they run.

what do you think causes more harm, gambling or alcohol?  This criticism just seems weird to me given just how much alcohol related content there has been for years and years.

Care to share a recent alcohol-themed segment of league-sponsored NBA coverage?

https://www.nba.com/news/michelob-ultra-becomes-nbas-first-ever-global-beer-partner

that is the global partnership they've been a partner of the NBA since the 90's and they aren't the only one.

I just think this criticism of gambling is odd, when something far more deadly has been a league partner for decades and decades. I get that you aren't going to see segments dedicated to beer, like you might with gambling, but alcohol is all over the television production and I really don't see the difference.  And for all the talk of betting lines, prop bets, etc. that is based on actual data, like in his last 5 games against the Knicks, Tatum has averaged 33 ppg, so taking the over of 28.5 may make sense. Even you don't gamble it could be interesting and relevant to the actual broadcast.

Ah, but I contend that it's neither interesting nor relevant content (to me) and it impacts the broadcast and the discourse in a way that is fundamentally different from a replay of 'the dunk of the game' or whatever that is sponsored by Michelob.

For the record, I have zero reservations about people drinking or people gambling (though for full disclosure, I don't gamble, and I do drink). The morality is not a point of concern, for me.

Sure some people don't like analytics or data based discussion, but some people do, whether they gamble or not, but it does relate to analysis of the two teams. Take draft coverage. Some people really like the metrics, some like the fluff, and some just want to know about who ends up on what team. The broadcast has to cover all types or no one will watch

The problem is not with the type of discussion that gambling content facilitates, but with the quality of the discussion owing to the increased emphasis on gambling, as illustrated on page one of the thread.

[Donoghus]

The marketing of it is certainly over the top these days.  Tons of commercials & ties-in.  Also, just way too many sportsbook options right now.

I do enjoy the gambling aspects of the games, though.  I gamble.  Mostly football but do enjoy betting NBA games involving 1st half lines, O/U, & player props. Helps keeps the focus while watching.

But I totally get the people against it.  The oversaturation of it right now is real.

[liam]

DraftKings was sued by the state of Massachusetts...


https://www.reddit.com/r/boston/comments/18dnc8c/bostonbased_draftkings_sued_over_its_deceptive/

[BitterJim]

People gamble. Lots and lots of people. It is much better to be up front and open about it.  Take out kfnthe dark corners and bring it to the light. Get people help that need it.  Much better to have it be front and center than hide it in the back and ignore it.

There's a fine line between bringing something into the light and spotlighting it. Sports are doing more and more of the second, which only grows gambling.

Highlighting it the way the NBA and NFL are doing almost certainly causes some harm, regardless of how many gambling addiction ads and excerpts they run.

what do you think causes more harm, gambling or alcohol?  This criticism just seems weird to me given just how much alcohol related content there has been for years and years.

Care to share a recent alcohol-themed segment of league-sponsored NBA coverage?

https://www.nba.com/news/michelob-ultra-becomes-nbas-first-ever-global-beer-partner

that is the global partnership they've been a partner of the NBA since the 90's and they aren't the only one.

I just think this criticism of gambling is odd, when something far more deadly has been a league partner for decades and decades. I get that you aren't going to see segments dedicated to beer, like you might with gambling, but alcohol is all over the television production and I really don't see the difference.  And for all the talk of betting lines, prop bets, etc. that is based on actual data, like in his last 5 games against the Knicks, Tatum has averaged 33 ppg, so taking the over of 28.5 may make sense. Even you don't gamble it could be interesting and relevant to the actual broadcast.

Ah, but I contend that it's neither interesting nor relevant content (to me) and it impacts the broadcast and the discourse in a way that is fundamentally different from a replay of 'the dunk of the game' or whatever that is sponsored by Michelob.

For the record, I have zero reservations about people drinking or people gambling (though for full disclosure, I don't gamble, and I do drink). The morality is not a point of concern, for me.

Sure some people don't like analytics or data based discussion, but some people do, whether they gamble or not, but it does relate to analysis of the two teams. Take draft coverage. Some people really like the metrics, some like the fluff, and some just want to know about who ends up on what team. The broadcast has to cover all types or no one will watch

People can have "analytics or data based discussions" about the number of times birds poop on different parts of their driveways, but that doesn't make them interesting or worth the time to listen to. Not to mention that just showing numbers (like the over/under, or random prop bets) on the screen isn't discussion, no matter how much networks and sportsbooks want to pretend it is.

[Redz]

People gamble. Lots and lots of people. It is much better to be up front and open about it.  Take out kfnthe dark corners and bring it to the light. Get people help that need it.  Much better to have it be front and center than hide it in the back and ignore it.

There's a fine line between bringing something into the light and spotlighting it. Sports are doing more and more of the second, which only grows gambling.

Highlighting it the way the NBA and NFL are doing almost certainly causes some harm, regardless of how many gambling addiction ads and excerpts they run.

what do you think causes more harm, gambling or alcohol?  This criticism just seems weird to me given just how much alcohol related content there has been for years and years.

Care to share a recent alcohol-themed segment of league-sponsored NBA coverage?

https://www.nba.com/news/michelob-ultra-becomes-nbas-first-ever-global-beer-partner

that is the global partnership they've been a partner of the NBA since the 90's and they aren't the only one.

I just think this criticism of gambling is odd, when something far more deadly has been a league partner for decades and decades. I get that you aren't going to see segments dedicated to beer, like you might with gambling, but alcohol is all over the television production and I really don't see the difference.  And for all the talk of betting lines, prop bets, etc. that is based on actual data, like in his last 5 games against the Knicks, Tatum has averaged 33 ppg, so taking the over of 28.5 may make sense. Even you don't gamble it could be interesting and relevant to the actual broadcast.

Ah, but I contend that it's neither interesting nor relevant content (to me) and it impacts the broadcast and the discourse in a way that is fundamentally different from a replay of 'the dunk of the game' or whatever that is sponsored by Michelob.

For the record, I have zero reservations about people drinking or people gambling (though for full disclosure, I don't gamble, and I do drink). The morality is not a point of concern, for me.

Sure some people don't like analytics or data based discussion, but some people do, whether they gamble or not, but it does relate to analysis of the two teams. Take draft coverage. Some people really like the metrics, some like the fluff, and some just want to know about who ends up on what team. The broadcast has to cover all types or no one will watch

People can have "analytics or data based discussions" about the number of times birds poop on different parts of their driveways, but that doesn't make them interesting or worth the time to listen to. Not to mention that just showing numbers (like the over/under, or random prop bets) on the screen isn't discussion, no matter how much networks and sportsbooks want to pretend it is.

I’d love some driveway bird poop stats.  Though my driveway is made of seashells so it all just kind of blends in and would very difficult to collect the data, I’d still be fascinated.

[Big333223]

People gamble. Lots and lots of people. It is much better to be up front and open about it.  Take out kfnthe dark corners and bring it to the light. Get people help that need it.  Much better to have it be front and center than hide it in the back and ignore it.

There's a fine line between bringing something into the light and spotlighting it. Sports are doing more and more of the second, which only grows gambling.

Highlighting it the way the NBA and NFL are doing almost certainly causes some harm, regardless of how many gambling addiction ads and excerpts they run.

what do you think causes more harm, gambling or alcohol?  This criticism just seems weird to me given just how much alcohol related content there has been for years and years.

Care to share a recent alcohol-themed segment of league-sponsored NBA coverage?

https://www.nba.com/news/michelob-ultra-becomes-nbas-first-ever-global-beer-partner

that is the global partnership they've been a partner of the NBA since the 90's and they aren't the only one.

I just think this criticism of gambling is odd, when something far more deadly has been a league partner for decades and decades. I get that you aren't going to see segments dedicated to beer, like you might with gambling, but alcohol is all over the television production and I really don't see the difference.  And for all the talk of betting lines, prop bets, etc. that is based on actual data, like in his last 5 games against the Knicks, Tatum has averaged 33 ppg, so taking the over of 28.5 may make sense. Even you don't gamble it could be interesting and relevant to the actual broadcast.

Ah, but I contend that it's neither interesting nor relevant content (to me) and it impacts the broadcast and the discourse in a way that is fundamentally different from a replay of 'the dunk of the game' or whatever that is sponsored by Michelob.

For the record, I have zero reservations about people drinking or people gambling (though for full disclosure, I don't gamble, and I do drink). The morality is not a point of concern, for me.

Sure some people don't like analytics or data based discussion, but some people do, whether they gamble or not, but it does relate to analysis of the two teams. Take draft coverage. Some people really like the metrics, some like the fluff, and some just want to know about who ends up on what team. The broadcast has to cover all types or no one will watch

The problem is not with the type of discussion that gambling content facilitates, but with the quality of the discussion owing to the increased emphasis on gambling, as illustrated on page one of the thread.

For me, it's not about the quality of the discussion but the quantity. If the NBA wants to show the betting lines and have the DraftKings logo on the court alongside the court next to its beer ads, that's fine with me. But I feel inundated by the gambling ads. Maybe I'm overstating things because it's new but it really feels like I'm being pummeled by these advertisements that I would otherwise not have a problem with.

[liam]

The more gambling changes the more it stays the same:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/hit-three-monster-bets-then-153339808.html

[SHAQATTACK]

The more gambling changes the more it stays the same:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/hit-three-monster-bets-then-153339808.html

The gambling businesses are betting on their own  tactics ,  lies , shady double talk rules will allow them to screw lucky legit winners.  They hope these people won’t have the wherewithal to rebuke and report crooked dealings to authorities. These establishments should have their licenses revoked and shut down after so many such practices within a certain period of operation.