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Re: The NBA is too all in on gambling.
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2023, 06:55:15 PM »

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My biggest issue isn't even with the constant advertisements for it, although those really annoy me as well: it's the effect it's had on analysis. At this point broadcast companies have decided that it isn't important to have smart and thoughtful analysts, when it's cheaper and easier to just have someone young and cheap talk about the betting lines (offloading all of the actual analysis to the casinos/sportsbooks). Instead of hearing what knowledgeable people think will or should happen, you get people saying that they like the over or under with minimal actual analysis, or that the line changed because X. It's not a good replacement.

100% and while this feels like the inevitable endpoint of wringing the absolute maximum blood out of the stone - which is why we live in a hellscape where Sports Illustrated is trialling paying third parties to use LLMs and other tools to 'generate' articles that essentially exist to say nothing as an alternative to paying writers and editors a living wage - an awful lot of it is driven by demand.

That is to say, every mainline sports media entity from the bait-iest of content farms to the most prestigious stuff has a decade-plus worth of metrics feeding into evaluating whether viewers want this (largely they do) and that viewers/readers/consumers/ are happy with this (largely they are). We live in a golden era of high-quality information, it just turns out a majority of people don't particularly rate that access.


In a way it's just another variation of a concept that's been given a name that the swear filter doesn't like ( essentially 'to become poo') but this concept has been bleeding into sports media - and other media, of course - for a long time.

I would like it if this was even close to an endpoint. It's scary to think were it will go after this. What will this be like in ten years?

NBABet is on NBA TV right now. A show about betting.
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2023, 07:30:25 PM »

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I love it
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Re: The NBA is too all in on gambling.
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2023, 07:39:52 PM »

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My biggest issue isn't even with the constant advertisements for it, although those really annoy me as well: it's the effect it's had on analysis. At this point broadcast companies have decided that it isn't important to have smart and thoughtful analysts, when it's cheaper and easier to just have someone young and cheap talk about the betting lines (offloading all of the actual analysis to the casinos/sportsbooks). Instead of hearing what knowledgeable people think will or should happen, you get people saying that they like the over or under with minimal actual analysis, or that the line changed because X. It's not a good replacement.

100% and while this feels like the inevitable endpoint of wringing the absolute maximum blood out of the stone - which is why we live in a hellscape where Sports Illustrated is trialling paying third parties to use LLMs and other tools to 'generate' articles that essentially exist to say nothing as an alternative to paying writers and editors a living wage - an awful lot of it is driven by demand.

That is to say, every mainline sports media entity from the bait-iest of content farms to the most prestigious stuff has a decade-plus worth of metrics feeding into evaluating whether viewers want this (largely they do) and that viewers/readers/consumers/ are happy with this (largely they are). We live in a golden era of high-quality information, it just turns out a majority of people don't particularly rate that access.


In a way it's just another variation of a concept that's been given a name that the swear filter doesn't like ( essentially 'to become poo') but this concept has been bleeding into sports media - and other media, of course - for a long time.

I would like it if this was even close to an endpoint. It's scary to think were it will go after this. What will this be like in ten years?

NBABet is on NBA TV right now. A show about betting.

Yeah - I have no real idea, but the thoughts I do have are depressing.

1) Even if the NBA TV/ESPN audience is not the whole audience (there are loads of us who don't care for gambling content), it's very difficult to tell broadcasters to pay more for good content when they can get away with paying less for this content. So I think good analysis on TV in a before and after every game fashion is probably gone for good.

2) Because live sport is essentially holding TV up on it's own, broadcasters have to pay out the nose for live sport access  - since the leagues all want to increase revenue year after year. Gambling companies pay tons of money to broadcasters, which helps them afford the contracts.

This seems grim. But the good news is, there's loads of good content out there. It just won't be coming from ESPN or NBA TV.
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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2023, 10:13:28 PM »

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I agree.  I'm not against gambling, but seeing it during the broadcasts is too much.  The casinos are pushing it hard, and the NBA is all in.

Just wait...  in a few years there will be apps connected to the seats at games, where you can bet instantly on whether a guy will make a FT, etc.

You can literally right now make those bets.  The only problem is getting the bandwidth at TD Garden for the app to work, but the bets are already there.

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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2023, 10:39:48 PM »

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Agree.

Hating this for watching it w my kids.
How are they supposed to not want to get into gambling?
It’s portrayed as just another stat in the game.

Not a fan on this influence on young viewers
Seems excessive


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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2023, 12:07:19 AM »

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Aaaaand....C's were favored by 6.5 tonight and won by 6....hmmmm.
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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2023, 03:29:02 AM »

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Aaaaand....C's were favored by 6.5 tonight and won by 6....hmmmm.

I'm convinced all games are rigged. Spread opened so accurate and the result is eerily accurate.


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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2023, 05:37:40 AM »

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Aaaaand....C's were favored by 6.5 tonight and won by 6....hmmmm.

I'm convinced all games are rigged. Spread opened so accurate and the result is eerily accurate.
Sounds like an easy way for you to make a life-changing amount of money, then?
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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2023, 08:28:20 AM »

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I always look for C’s to struggle when the opponent is under manned. The C’s let up and the wounded opponent fights like a dog the whole way. Struggle most of the way .

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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2023, 02:22:16 PM »

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How did the betting lines shift when Tatum was ejected? Anyone?

So the refs just arbitrarily threw out the biggest star playing last night? It's not about you refs. People come to see Tatum not you. I did notice that the Celtics got a better whistle after Tatum got thrown out and won the game. It's time to clean up the refs! Every game should be called the same. It shouldn't be such an X factor in every NBA game. You could make good money betting on games just by who the refs are.
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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2023, 09:51:19 PM »

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Gambling on the side of the screen on TNT is shameful.

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« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2023, 09:21:27 AM »

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People gamble. Lots and lots of people. It is much better to be up front and open about it.  Take out kfnthe dark corners and bring it to the light. Get people help that need it.  Much better to have it be front and center than hide it in the back and ignore it.
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« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2023, 09:25:43 AM »

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People gamble. Lots and lots of people. It is much better to be up front and open about it.  Take out kfnthe dark corners and bring it to the light. Get people help that need it.  Much better to have it be front and center than hide it in the back and ignore it.

There's a fine line between bringing something into the light and spotlighting it. Sports are doing more and more of the second, which only grows gambling.

Highlighting it the way the NBA and NFL are doing almost certainly causes some harm, regardless of how many gambling addiction ads and excerpts they run.

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« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2023, 09:36:41 AM »

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People gamble. Lots and lots of people. It is much better to be up front and open about it.  Take out kfnthe dark corners and bring it to the light. Get people help that need it.  Much better to have it be front and center than hide it in the back and ignore it.

There's a fine line between bringing something into the light and spotlighting it. Sports are doing more and more of the second, which only grows gambling.

Highlighting it the way the NBA and NFL are doing almost certainly causes some harm, regardless of how many gambling addiction ads and excerpts they run.
what do you think causes more harm, gambling or alcohol?  This criticism just seems weird to me given just how much alcohol related content there has been for years and years. 
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« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2023, 09:47:42 AM »

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People gamble. Lots and lots of people. It is much better to be up front and open about it.  Take out kfnthe dark corners and bring it to the light. Get people help that need it.  Much better to have it be front and center than hide it in the back and ignore it.

There's a fine line between bringing something into the light and spotlighting it. Sports are doing more and more of the second, which only grows gambling.

Highlighting it the way the NBA and NFL are doing almost certainly causes some harm, regardless of how many gambling addiction ads and excerpts they run.
what do you think causes more harm, gambling or alcohol?  This criticism just seems weird to me given just how much alcohol related content there has been for years and years.
Care to share a recent alcohol-themed segment of league-sponsored NBA coverage?
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