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Re: Should Lakers trade Lebron for Simmons based package?
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2021, 04:36:43 PM »

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As I said earlier, if Lebron was fine with being traded, I do think the Lakers would be able to get a better package than Simmons, Maxey, and Thybulle, while also still allowing Lebron to be on a contender.  I mean something like Ayton and Bridges would probably be on the table and I'd much rather have those 2 if I'm the Lakers, especially since that really allows Davis to play PF where he wants to be.  Miami could easily be back in the mix if Riley and Lebron made up.  I could absolutely see Boston putting Brown on the table in that situation and I think the Lakers would much rather have Brown than Simmons (especially with Russ still on the roster).  Porter or Murray is probably available from Denver (and heck maybe Denver would give up both to pair Lebron and Nikola).  Paul George would probably be on the table and Lebron wouldn't even need to leave L.A.

There are just so many potential landing spots that just make more sense than a Philly trade for Simmons.  That said, if Philly really wants a Lebron for Simmons swap, I'd make them take Westbrook also.  Westbrook and James for Harris, Simmons, Thybulle, and Maxey.  That seems like a better value proposition for the Lakers and puts the trade on more equal footing with other trades that would potentially be out there. 
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Re: Should Lakers trade Lebron for Simmons based package?
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2021, 04:37:19 PM »

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If Lebron was actually willing to be traded (which will never happen), that is no where near the best package the Lakers could get for him.
Bingo.

Re: Should Lakers trade Lebron for Simmons based package?
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2021, 06:48:13 PM »

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Kareem was the Lakers leading scorer from 1981-1986 when he was 34-38 years old winning two titles at that time. He was their third leading scorer at almost 18 PPG at 39 years old during their 1987 championship season.

So it's been done before.

I also think Lebron wants to carve out a Lakers legacy beating Kareem's record while being a Laker. So I doubt he would want to be traded. And if Lebron doesn't want to be traded, he won't be. It's that simple.

Kareem was playing with prime Magic Johnson.
So. Kareem was still the #1 scoring option and defensive anchor for those teams through much of his mid to late 30's.

Yeah but Magic was the engine of that team and those championships. The Lakers were pretty pedestrian with Kareem until Magic joined them.

Re: Should Lakers trade Lebron for Simmons based package?
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2021, 08:59:03 PM »

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Kareem was the Lakers leading scorer from 1981-1986 when he was 34-38 years old winning two titles at that time. He was their third leading scorer at almost 18 PPG at 39 years old during their 1987 championship season.

So it's been done before.

I also think Lebron wants to carve out a Lakers legacy beating Kareem's record while being a Laker. So I doubt he would want to be traded. And if Lebron doesn't want to be traded, he won't be. It's that simple.

Kareem was playing with prime Magic Johnson.
So. Kareem was still the #1 scoring option and defensive anchor for those teams through much of his mid to late 30's.

Yeah but Magic was the engine of that team and those championships. The Lakers were pretty pedestrian with Kareem until Magic joined them.
True, but Magic didn't win a title without Kareem, while Kareem won without Magic.  Somewhere around 82 or 83, Magic overtook Kareem as the best player on those teams, but I do think Kareem was the most important player. 
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Re: Should Lakers trade Lebron for Simmons based package?
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2021, 09:32:35 PM »

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The 76ers should jump all over that if that was really an option

Re: Should Lakers trade Lebron for Simmons based package?
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2021, 10:57:18 PM »

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The 76ers should jump all over that if that was really an option

That's a championship all-in move.

Re: Should Lakers trade Lebron for Simmons based package?
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2021, 12:10:27 AM »

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I could absolutely see Boston putting Brown on the table in that situation and I think the Lakers would much rather have Brown than Simmons.

Really? Counter-point to your point: couldnít the Cs get more for Brown than LeBron?
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Re: Should Lakers trade Lebron for Simmons based package?
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2021, 03:21:47 AM »

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I could absolutely see Boston putting Brown on the table in that situation and I think the Lakers would much rather have Brown than Simmons.

Really? Counter-point to your point: couldnít the Cs get more for Brown than LeBron?
What? Who is 'more' than LeBron? Luka, Giannis, and Jokic maybe have more trade value. That might be it. LeBron has so much off-court value in terms of revenue that nobody else comes close to.

Plus, a lineup of LeBron-Smart-Tatum-Horford-Williams would be epic.

Re: Should Lakers trade Lebron for Simmons based package?
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2021, 03:46:46 AM »

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I could absolutely see Boston putting Brown on the table in that situation and I think the Lakers would much rather have Brown than Simmons.

Really? Counter-point to your point: couldnít the Cs get more for Brown than LeBron?
What? Who is 'more' than LeBron? Luka, Giannis, and Jokic maybe have more trade value. That might be it. LeBron has so much off-court value in terms of revenue that nobody else comes close to.

Plus, a lineup of LeBron-Smart-Tatum-Horford-Williams would be epic.

Iím a little surprised people think Lebron has really high trade value. He has been injured for parts of the last 4 seasons. His high since 2017 was 67 games. While I get in a fantasy land if he was traded to memphis or Orlando they would make so much money for a year or two it would be worth it for them to do a circus. But why would the Celtics do brown for Lebron? I donít think we would even title favorites this year (Warriors and nets with irving would have more talent. Then we are just screwed till Tatum demands a trade after bron retired or is injured two years from now? I really donít get this.

Also look at his advanced stats. They are basically all worst numbers since rookie season. They are basically a fringe all star level at this point. I get we didnít see this with Jordan cause he went out on top, but Lebron is nearing the end.

Re: Should Lakers trade Lebron for Simmons based package?
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2021, 07:11:07 AM »

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Also look at his advanced stats. They are basically all worst numbers since rookie season. They are basically a fringe all star level at this point. I get we didnít see this with Jordan cause he went out on top, but Lebron is nearing the end.

Agreed in principle, but we did see a quite-washed 38 year old MJ play for the Wizards, and the numbers show a similar stark decline.
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Re: Should Lakers trade Lebron for Simmons based package?
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2021, 07:55:21 AM »

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Re: Should Lakers trade Lebron for Simmons based package?
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2021, 07:59:27 AM »

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I could absolutely see Boston putting Brown on the table in that situation and I think the Lakers would much rather have Brown than Simmons.

Really? Counter-point to your point: couldnít the Cs get more for Brown than LeBron?
What? Who is 'more' than LeBron? Luka, Giannis, and Jokic maybe have more trade value. That might be it. LeBron has so much off-court value in terms of revenue that nobody else comes close to.

Plus, a lineup of LeBron-Smart-Tatum-Horford-Williams would be epic.

If all your interested in is off-court value ó maybe. On-court, donít agree.

Re: Should Lakers trade Lebron for Simmons based package?
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2021, 08:26:09 AM »

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I could absolutely see Boston putting Brown on the table in that situation and I think the Lakers would much rather have Brown than Simmons.

Really? Counter-point to your point: couldnít the Cs get more for Brown than LeBron?
What? Who is 'more' than LeBron? Luka, Giannis, and Jokic maybe have more trade value. That might be it. LeBron has so much off-court value in terms of revenue that nobody else comes close to.

Plus, a lineup of LeBron-Smart-Tatum-Horford-Williams would be epic.
I think his on court value is pretty apparent as well.  Look at how bad the Lakers are when he hasn't played.  I'd absolutely trade Brown for James even knowing it is a couple of year proposition because I do think it would elevate Boston into a higher contender tier over the next couple of seasons.  James' impact both on and off the court is pretty much undeniable even with his advanced age and knowing he is going to miss games.  And it isn't like Brown is a picture of health either.  They've missed basically the same amount of regular season games over the last 3 seasons, and unlike Brown, James has never missed a playoff game in his career. 
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Re: Should Lakers trade Lebron for Simmons based package?
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2021, 04:10:15 PM »

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I could absolutely see Boston putting Brown on the table in that situation and I think the Lakers would much rather have Brown than Simmons.

Really? Counter-point to your point: couldnít the Cs get more for Brown than LeBron?
What? Who is 'more' than LeBron? Luka, Giannis, and Jokic maybe have more trade value. That might be it. LeBron has so much off-court value in terms of revenue that nobody else comes close to.

Plus, a lineup of LeBron-Smart-Tatum-Horford-Williams would be epic.

If all your interested in is off-court value ó maybe. On-court, donít agree.
I think he's still an excellent player too

Re: Should Lakers trade Lebron for Simmons based package?
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2021, 04:41:17 PM »

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Man, the Celtics could win a couple of titles with LeBron here if they traded Jaylen Brown for him.

Tatum would be an awesome #2 for LeBron. We have Horford. Timelord. Smart. So many pieces that LeBron would work brilliantly well with and LeBron is exactly the sort of playmaking high efficiency offensive hub that this team needs. This team would be awesome with LeBron.

As much as it is a short-term move (3-4yrs of LeBron vs 10-12yrs of Jaylen), I'd find it hard not to do it. LeBron is still that good.