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Is signing a near max player the best way to develop Tatum and Brown?
« on: June 19, 2019, 10:31:56 AM »

Offline wdleehi

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I hate the probable loss of Horford.  Not just for the top 4 seed in the east level he would provide the team, but the fit where he opens up space that allows Tatum and Brown to grow. 

I look at a lot of the suggested signings, but I don't see the advantage that helps those two the space on the floor to grow.  The Celtics do not need a ball dominant guard at near max.   They do not need a low post threat at near max. 


The Celtics need the floor stretching big man.  Think a Brook Lopez (at a one to two year average salary) 

A vet PF that could start but those young Celtics PF have a chance to challenge. 

A pass first PG that comes off the bench. 


With that said, I would still try to resign Rozier on a short term deal.   Let see if he fits with Brown and Tatum as he showed two years ago or just as a trade piece.   


I want the Celtics to be good, but I am against spending near max money for "good" players instead of "near star to star" players.
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2019, 10:33:54 AM »

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If we could land the 30 year old version of Al we signed three years ago I'd be all for it. I just don't see that player out there.

I agree that I don't think the C's should rush to spend long term money this off season if Kyrie/Horford leave.
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2019, 10:37:11 AM »

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Hand the keys to the kids and bring him vets that will complement them.  See if they can development into the alphas you hoped they'd be.  I don't think you need to go out there now and bring in a star.  Build around Tatum & Brown and work to find guys that will fit around them being the focal points.
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2019, 10:39:03 AM »

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I really don't want any part of Rozier. Imagine him on the QO, probably be complaining all year about how many touches the Jays/Hayward got if he doesn't regain his 2018 playoff form.
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2019, 10:39:49 AM »

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No. None of the expensive FAs that are likely to be available this summer are worth going after.


Danny should use the cap space to either add an asset or sign a few veterans to short term deals in order to provide better structure around Tatum and brown.  E.g. Cory Joseph, Ed Davis, Farouq Aminu
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Quote from: Fafnir on June 19, 2019, 10:39:03 AM
I really don't want any part of Rozier. Imagine him on the QO, probably be complaining all year about how many touches the Jays/Hayward got if he doesn't regain his 2018 playoff form.
Yeah, with no Horford to hide his complete inability to make plays for others I am happy to wave goodbye to Terry. Go scare another fanbase
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2019, 10:42:28 AM »

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Quote from: Fafnir on June 19, 2019, 10:39:03 AM
I really don't want any part of Rozier. Imagine him on the QO, probably be complaining all year about how many touches the Jays/Hayward got if he doesn't regain his 2018 playoff form.


He is not my favorite but I think he has more value at a 2 year Smart level contract then what else they could sign at that value. 


Either he fits well with Tatum and Brown like a year ago or he is a trade asset. 
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Quote from: wdleehi on June 19, 2019, 10:42:28 AM
Quote from: Fafnir on June 19, 2019, 10:39:03 AM
I really don't want any part of Rozier. Imagine him on the QO, probably be complaining all year about how many touches the Jays/Hayward got if he doesn't regain his 2018 playoff form.


He is not my favorite but I think he has more value at a 2 year Smart level contract then what else they could sign at that value. 


Either he fits well with Tatum and Brown like a year ago or he is a trade asset.
I just worry he's going to require more years/money than I'd like to return.
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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2019, 10:47:23 AM »

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Quote from: Fafnir on June 19, 2019, 10:46:09 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on June 19, 2019, 10:42:28 AM
Quote from: Fafnir on June 19, 2019, 10:39:03 AM
I really don't want any part of Rozier. Imagine him on the QO, probably be complaining all year about how many touches the Jays/Hayward got if he doesn't regain his 2018 playoff form.


He is not my favorite but I think he has more value at a 2 year Smart level contract then what else they could sign at that value. 


Either he fits well with Tatum and Brown like a year ago or he is a trade asset.
I just worry he's going to require more years/money than I'd like to return.



Oh, I am not saying 5 year 18-20 per year.

More like a 2 year 12-15 per year. 
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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2019, 10:47:46 AM »

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Quote from: Fafnir on June 19, 2019, 10:46:09 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on June 19, 2019, 10:42:28 AM
Quote from: Fafnir on June 19, 2019, 10:39:03 AM
I really don't want any part of Rozier. Imagine him on the QO, probably be complaining all year about how many touches the Jays/Hayward got if he doesn't regain his 2018 playoff form.


He is not my favorite but I think he has more value at a 2 year Smart level contract then what else they could sign at that value. 


Either he fits well with Tatum and Brown like a year ago or he is a trade asset.
I just worry he's going to require more years/money than I'd like to return.
I'd rather try and bring in a heady veteran like Darren Collison who won't cause any issues
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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2019, 10:49:15 AM »

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Quote from: gouki88 on June 19, 2019, 10:47:46 AM
Quote from: Fafnir on June 19, 2019, 10:46:09 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on June 19, 2019, 10:42:28 AM
Quote from: Fafnir on June 19, 2019, 10:39:03 AM
I really don't want any part of Rozier. Imagine him on the QO, probably be complaining all year about how many touches the Jays/Hayward got if he doesn't regain his 2018 playoff form.


He is not my favorite but I think he has more value at a 2 year Smart level contract then what else they could sign at that value. 


Either he fits well with Tatum and Brown like a year ago or he is a trade asset.
I just worry he's going to require more years/money than I'd like to return.
I'd rather try and bring in a heady veteran like Darren Collison who won't cause any issues

Yeah, I'd prefer a seasoned veteran over Rozier at this point.  Someone more understanding of their role.
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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2019, 10:51:17 AM »

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I could care less about developing Tatum and Brown. I just want to be a good team.
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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2019, 10:53:17 AM »

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Quote from: gpap on June 19, 2019, 10:51:17 AM
I could care less about developing Tatum and Brown. I just want to be a good team.


And Tatum and Brown developing is the best way for the Celtics having a good team.   Putting players around that maximizes their skill is the best way for the Celtics to have a good team.
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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2019, 11:31:53 AM »

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Quote from: gpap on June 19, 2019, 10:51:17 AM
I could care less about developing Tatum and Brown. I just want to be a good team.


That ship has sailed.

Do you want the Celts to commit a bunch of money to be a solid 7 or 8 seed?
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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2019, 12:03:14 PM »

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Conley would perfect for Tatum and Brown, thou his contract and health concerns me.
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