Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-0) Game #1 12/23/20

[CaNdyMaN1369]

So, to those that scream about Brad Stevens and his timeouts, tonight with around 9:00 left on the clock Milwaukee was starting a run and instead of calling a timeout, Stevens saved it because the TV timeout was coming up.

Some were complaining about this as they usually do. But it's a good thing he saved it because he needed one with 8.9 seconds remaining so took his last timeout. He told JT go make it happen with confidence and Tatum hits his shot.

You can't constantly call timeouts early in the game because you'll need them late. You especially don't do it if a TV timeout is coming up quickly.

TP...             agree, completley...

[slamtheking]

saw on tape delay.   fantastic win tonight.  expected to get our butts kicked after preseason.  killer bank shot by Tatum but that foul call at the end was ridiculously bogus.

hot takes after game one:
- Everyone may positive contributions this game.  don't think we pull this out without everyone making at least one solid play each.
- loved starting off with 2 bigs this game.  felt it made a difference with Theis.  unfortunately it didn't look like it carried over to the second half.
- Semi had maybe his best half as a Celtic in the first half.
- Jaylen was consistently good all game.  Tatum had his spurts.  need him to provide a more even game.
- Smart played tough D.  who else could draw 3 charges on Giannis?  still not a starting PG
- Teague and Thompson showed they were really smart signings by Danny

Game Ball to Jaylen tonight.  who needs Harden? 

[CaNdyMaN1369]

really hoped to see Nesmith play tonight, though...           

[jpotter33]

So, to those that scream about Brad Stevens and his timeouts, tonight with around 9:00 left on the clock Milwaukee was starting a run and instead of calling a timeout, Stevens saved it because the TV timeout was coming up.

Some were complaining about this as they usually do. But it's a good thing he saved it because he needed one with 8.9 seconds remaining so took his last timeout. He told JT go make it happen with confidence and Tatum hits his shot.

You can't constantly call timeouts early in the game because you'll need them late. You especially don't do it if a TV timeout is coming up quickly.

Uh, except the fact that it likely would have not been that close at that point had Brad effectively used the timeouts earlier, thus obviating the need for the extra timeout anyways. This is revisionist history. The fact that we won *despite* the bad judgment made at that time does not make it any less bad of a call. If we would have better managed that run and not let them get momentum in that way it's likely that there's more distance between us in the final minutes.

Defend him all you want, but that's a consistent weak spot of Brad's that *regularly* loses us games because we're not always lucky enough for Tatum to bank in a last-second three and Giannis to miss a go-ahead free throw for us to win it.

[gouki88]

So, to those that scream about Brad Stevens and his timeouts, tonight with around 9:00 left on the clock Milwaukee was starting a run and instead of calling a timeout, Stevens saved it because the TV timeout was coming up.

Some were complaining about this as they usually do. But it's a good thing he saved it because he needed one with 8.9 seconds remaining so took his last timeout. He told JT go make it happen with confidence and Tatum hits his shot.

You can't constantly call timeouts early in the game because you'll need them late. You especially don't do it if a TV timeout is coming up quickly.

Uh, except the fact that it likely would have not been that close at that point had Brad effectively used the timeouts earlier, thus obviating the need for the extra timeout anyways. This is revisionist history. The fact that we won *despite* the bad judgment made at that time does not make it any less bad of a call. If we would have better managed that run and not let them get momentum in that way it's likely that there's more distance between us in the final minutes.

Defend him all you want, but that's a consistent weak spot of Brad's that *regularly* loses us games because we're not always lucky enough for Tatum to bank in a last-second three and Giannis to miss a go-ahead free throw for us to win it.

Massively clutching at straws here, lol

[SHAQATTACK]

Glad to have Thompson on the team, i didn't like him to much when he played for Cavaliers...                 

he makes a huge difference .....other teams can't pick on us inside box out  Theis all the time .   Theis looked so happy not to have three bigs hanging on him ,  he was moving freely looking for boards and shots .   Also Rob Williams makes a huge diff.....these guys protect the lane for  no easy buckets .   

If Theis , Timelord , Thompson can stay healthy and continue to play like they did tonight Celtics will have a look they have not had since KG days

[President Red]

The NBC Sports Boston postgame is almost as interesting as the game itself.  Scal is all fired up arguing with Abby while she’s antagonizing him.

Abby is a great choice to host. She was under-utilized as a sideline reporter.

What's the gist of the argument?  That show's not available in my region.

[slamtheking]

Glad to have Thompson on the team, i didn't like him to much when he played for Cavaliers...                 

he makes a huge difference .....other teams can't pick on us inside box out  Theis all the time .   Theis looked so happy not to have three bigs hanging on him ,  he was moving freely looking for boards and shots .   Also Rob Williams makes a huge diff.....these guys protect the lane for  no easy buckets .   

If Theis , Timelord , Thompson can stay healthy and continue to play like they did tonight Celtics will have a look they have not had since KG days

they looked like they played well overall but need some improvement with the rebounding.  got beat on the boards by 52-37.  amazed we won despite that disadvantage and Milwaukee shooting over 50% for the game and C's only taking 11 FTs

[tstorey_97]

It was so confidence inspiring to see Thompson underneath. So many years of undersized guys having to play center. He's a veteran too. He knows the sets and the opponent he's playing against. That foul at the end was ridiculous. Thompson tipped the inbounds pass before Giannis' finger got to the ball.

Theis had a great game too....our new power forward.


 

[jambr380]

So, to those that scream about Brad Stevens and his timeouts, tonight with around 9:00 left on the clock Milwaukee was starting a run and instead of calling a timeout, Stevens saved it because the TV timeout was coming up.

Some were complaining about this as they usually do. But it's a good thing he saved it because he needed one with 8.9 seconds remaining so took his last timeout. He told JT go make it happen with confidence and Tatum hits his shot.

You can't constantly call timeouts early in the game because you'll need them late. You especially don't do it if a TV timeout is coming up quickly.

I am not one to complain about timeouts, but that shot was absolute garbage. Don't get me wrong, I love that it went in, but that type of shot is why we lost the MIA series. I really hope he can learn to generate better looks at the end of quarters/games than off-balance bank 3s.

I'm all aboard the Brown train, though. Choo-choo!! 

[nickagneta]

So, to those that scream about Brad Stevens and his timeouts, tonight with around 9:00 left on the clock Milwaukee was starting a run and instead of calling a timeout, Stevens saved it because the TV timeout was coming up.

Some were complaining about this as they usually do. But it's a good thing he saved it because he needed one with 8.9 seconds remaining so took his last timeout. He told JT go make it happen with confidence and Tatum hits his shot.

You can't constantly call timeouts early in the game because you'll need them late. You especially don't do it if a TV timeout is coming up quickly.

I am not one to complain about timeouts, but that shot was absolute garbage. Don't get me wrong, I love that it went in, but that type of shot is why we lost the MIA series. I really hope he can learn to generate better looks than off-balance bank 3s.

I'm all aboard the Brown train, though. Choo-choo!! 

I'm the engineer on that train!!!

BTW, just looked at tix for the C's game in Tampa against Toronto. They're asking Boston/NY/LA/SF prices for anything not in the third deck. Still think I'm grabbing some tickets though.

[jpotter33]

So, to those that scream about Brad Stevens and his timeouts, tonight with around 9:00 left on the clock Milwaukee was starting a run and instead of calling a timeout, Stevens saved it because the TV timeout was coming up.

Some were complaining about this as they usually do. But it's a good thing he saved it because he needed one with 8.9 seconds remaining so took his last timeout. He told JT go make it happen with confidence and Tatum hits his shot.

You can't constantly call timeouts early in the game because you'll need them late. You especially don't do it if a TV timeout is coming up quickly.

Uh, except the fact that it likely would have not been that close at that point had Brad effectively used the timeouts earlier, thus obviating the need for the extra timeout anyways. This is revisionist history. The fact that we won *despite* the bad judgment made at that time does not make it any less bad of a call. If we would have better managed that run and not let them get momentum in that way it's likely that there's more distance between us in the final minutes.

Defend him all you want, but that's a consistent weak spot of Brad's that *regularly* loses us games because we're not always lucky enough for Tatum to bank in a last-second three and Giannis to miss a go-ahead free throw for us to win it.

Massively clutching at straws here, lol

I mean, it's not though. If anything this argument about the usefulness of the timeout given what happened tonight is.

Nick's position is based on the supposition that if we had used the timeout the game would've gone *exactly* as it did tonight when we didn't use the timeout originally, which in itself is unrealistic based on pure probability and causality.

An effective use of the timeout to manage the Bucks' run there very well could've changed the flow and course of the game, leading to a larger lead and less close game down the stretch. That's the entire argument I'm making. You call the timeout to stop the run, settle your guys down, and then set something up to try and get your guys going again.

Sure, maybe it wouldn't have worked out, but it's illogical to posit that the game would've occurred the exact way it did with or without the timeout there. That's poor logic, and thus is hardly evidence that Brad made the right call to let them continue on that major run that made this a game down the stretch in the first place.

[SparzWizard]

So, to those that scream about Brad Stevens and his timeouts, tonight with around 9:00 left on the clock Milwaukee was starting a run and instead of calling a timeout, Stevens saved it because the TV timeout was coming up.

Some were complaining about this as they usually do. But it's a good thing he saved it because he needed one with 8.9 seconds remaining so took his last timeout. He told JT go make it happen with confidence and Tatum hits his shot.

You can't constantly call timeouts early in the game because you'll need them late. You especially don't do it if a TV timeout is coming up quickly.

Uh, except the fact that it likely would have not been that close at that point had Brad effectively used the timeouts earlier, thus obviating the need for the extra timeout anyways. This is revisionist history. The fact that we won *despite* the bad judgment made at that time does not make it any less bad of a call. If we would have better managed that run and not let them get momentum in that way it's likely that there's more distance between us in the final minutes.

Defend him all you want, but that's a consistent weak spot of Brad's that *regularly* loses us games because we're not always lucky enough for Tatum to bank in a last-second three and Giannis to miss a go-ahead free throw for us to win it.

C's should not have blown the large lead or else the timeouts would not have been needed. This team still can't hold on to leads even after what happened last season in the playoffs. Narrowly escaped, but I'll take the home win over the Bucks.

[SHAQATTACK]

Glad to have Thompson on the team, i didn't like him to much when he played for Cavaliers...                 

he makes a huge difference .....other teams can't pick on us inside box out  Theis all the time .   Theis looked so happy not to have three bigs hanging on him ,  he was moving freely looking for boards and shots .   Also Rob Williams makes a huge diff.....these guys protect the lane for  no easy buckets .   

If Theis , Timelord , Thompson can stay healthy and continue to play like they did tonight Celtics will have a look they have not had since KG days

they looked like they played well overall but need some improvement with the rebounding.  got beat on the boards by 52-37.  amazed we won despite that disadvantage and Milwaukee shooting over 50% for the game and C's only taking 11 FTs

we missed Kemba and his foul drawing abilities.   

The team just did a great job on defense against a super long team , not giving up tons of easy inside buckets .

[Atzar]

So, to those that scream about Brad Stevens and his timeouts, tonight with around 9:00 left on the clock Milwaukee was starting a run and instead of calling a timeout, Stevens saved it because the TV timeout was coming up.

Some were complaining about this as they usually do. But it's a good thing he saved it because he needed one with 8.9 seconds remaining so took his last timeout. He told JT go make it happen with confidence and Tatum hits his shot.

You can't constantly call timeouts early in the game because you'll need them late. You especially don't do it if a TV timeout is coming up quickly.

Uh, except the fact that it likely would have not been that close at that point had Brad effectively used the timeouts earlier, thus obviating the need for the extra timeout anyways. This is revisionist history. The fact that we won *despite* the bad judgment made at that time does not make it any less bad of a call. If we would have better managed that run and not let them get momentum in that way it's likely that there's more distance between us in the final minutes.

Defend him all you want, but that's a consistent weak spot of Brad's that *regularly* loses us games because we're not always lucky enough for Tatum to bank in a last-second three and Giannis to miss a go-ahead free throw for us to win it.

Massively clutching at straws here, lol

I mean, it's not though. If anything this argument about the usefulness of the timeout given what happened tonight is.

Nick's position is based on the supposition that if we had used the timeout the game would've gone *exactly* as it did tonight when we didn't use the timeout originally, which in itself is unrealistic based on pure probability and causality.

An effective use of the timeout to manage the Bucks' run there very well could've changed the flow and course of the game, leading to a larger lead and less close game down the stretch. That's the entire argument I'm making. You call the timeout to stop the run, settle your guys down, and then set something up to try and get your guys going again.

Sure, maybe it wouldn't have worked out, but it's illogical to posit that the game would've occurred the exact way it did with or without the timeout there. That's just poor logic.

Or you're just giving TNT ad revenue in between getting your ass kicked. 

Why is your assumption that a timeout will definitely - or even probably - end a run?  Is there any statistical evidence that supports that idea?  I've seen timeouts 'stop' runs, but I've also seen occasions when teams called a timeout just to keep on getting pasted when play resumed. 

A quick google search didn't turn up much except for a D'Antoni quote that said timeouts aren't necessarily effective run-stoppers, but I didn't find anything concrete either way.