CelticsStrong
Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: Rondo9 on November 27, 2018, 05:10:34 PM
-
Since there's not much else to talk about:
https://nesn.com/2018/11/anthony-davis-to-lakers-trade-reportedly-in-the-works-for-years/
-
I dont think this is fake
woj has also reported that Davis is a trade target for both Lakers and Celtics. Pretty interesting that the rivalry has come down to a potential bidding war between the 2 teams. I wonder If whoever wins the eventual auction will pull away in title count
-
Believable, but like I’ve been saying: if NOP can keep him happy past the deadline in February, he will be a Celtic. Honestly, if he’s there through the end of the season, I’d start calling Dell Demps pre-draft to see who they like with our picks as part of the trade.
Once we can legally trade for him, Ainge will put together a Godfather offer. Only issue I could see is matching salaries, but I’m sure they will find a way if the crux is worked out (I feel Yabu’s option was picked up for extra, expiring salary).
Truth is, nobody can match what we can offer without absolutely decimating their roster. Whatever we give up, we’d still have Irving, Hayward, and Horford, and some.
-
Believable, but like I’ve been saying: if NOP can keep him happy past the deadline in February, he will be a Celtic. Honestly, if he’s there through the end of the season, I’d start calling Dell Demps pre-draft to see who they like with our picks as part of the trade.
Once we can legally trade for him, Ainge will put together a Godfather offer. Only issue I could see is matching salaries, but I’m sure they will find a way if the crux is worked out (I feel Yabu’s option was picked up for extra, expiring salary).
Truth is, nobody can match what we can offer without absolutely decimating their roster. Whatever we give up, we’d still have Irving, Hayward, and Horford, and some.
Tatum, Smart and picks will work just fine. Throwing in Williams will probably seal it as done.
-
I’m sure 29 franchises have attempted to trade for Davis “for years”.
I doubt very much that Demps has been exchanging offers for years. I mean, how many current Lakers have been on the roster “for years”?
But, Sheridan is generally full of crap, and any reporting that Davis might be traded to Boston this season is full of uninformed crap.
-
Believable, but like I’ve been saying: if NOP can keep him happy past the deadline in February, he will be a Celtic. Honestly, if he’s there through the end of the season, I’d start calling Dell Demps pre-draft to see who they like with our picks as part of the trade.
Once we can legally trade for him, Ainge will put together a Godfather offer. Only issue I could see is matching salaries, but I’m sure they will find a way if the crux is worked out (I feel Yabu’s option was picked up for extra, expiring salary).
Truth is, nobody can match what we can offer without absolutely decimating their roster. Whatever we give up, we’d still have Irving, Hayward, and Horford, and some.
Tatum, Smart and picks will work just fine. Throwing in Williams will probably seal it as done.
I think we’d have to do the trade after July 1, using next year’ssalaries. We’d have to come up with just over $22 million, I think. (“Matching” trades need to be within $5 million at that salary range I think).
-
Believable, but like I’ve been saying: if NOP can keep him happy past the deadline in February, he will be a Celtic. Honestly, if he’s there through the end of the season, I’d start calling Dell Demps pre-draft to see who they like with our picks as part of the trade.
Once we can legally trade for him, Ainge will put together a Godfather offer. Only issue I could see is matching salaries, but I’m sure they will find a way if the crux is worked out (I feel Yabu’s option was picked up for extra, expiring salary).
Truth is, nobody can match what we can offer without absolutely decimating their roster. Whatever we give up, we’d still have Irving, Hayward, and Horford, and some.
Tatum, Smart and picks will work just fine. Throwing in Williams will probably seal it as done.
I think we’d have to do the trade after July 1, using next year’ssalaries. We’d have to come up with just over $22 million, I think. (“Matching” trades need to be within $5 million at that salary range I think).
Then throw Yabu in and it works
-
Don't see any reason that NOP would try to trade Davis in season. There would be more feasible suitors in the offseason plus they'd know where every team's 2019 draft picks actually land.
-
DO NOT trade Tatum !
-
Honest question, lets say it's summer of 2019, and the Pelicans decide to deal AD. The Lakers offer Ingram/Kuzma, Hart, Ball + some future pick (that's what most predictions and Lakers blog have as their "ballpark" trade offer for AD). Can we outbid the Lakers then?
It's tough. I think if they are willing to deal Kuzma instead of Ingram, it's advantage Lakers, but ultimately we'd probably have to deal Tatum in a trade package to make it more enticing for the Pelicans to accept (because honestly I think they'd view Kuzma more highly than Brown, and that's completely understandable).
I unfortunately don't think Brown + Rozier + Williams(?) + Kings Pick (Top-6, hopefully) + More Picks + Salary will be better than that hypothetical Lakers package, UNLESS you replace Brown with Tatum in said trade idea :(
-
I will trade any player and any asset for Davis, just not Kyrie or Tatum. Include Tatum in a package for Davis and the Celtics are not winning a championship.
Brown, Hayward, King's pick, Grizzlies pick would be my best offer, and I'm not so sure other teams can't beat that.
-
I will trade any player and any asset for Davis, just not Kyrie or Tatum. Include Tatum in a package for Davis and the Celtics are not winning a championship.
I can’t see how Kyrie/Smart/Hayward/Horrford/Davis with Brown/Morris/Baynes/MLE is not championship caliber.
-
I will trade any player and any asset for Davis, just not Kyrie or Tatum. Include Tatum in a package for Davis and the Celtics are not winning a championship.
I can’t see how Kyrie/Smart/Hayward/Horrford/Davis with Brown/Morris/Baynes/MLE is not championship caliber.
Because Hayward is not an NBA caliber player and Horford is old and declining fast.
-
I will trade any player and any asset for Davis, just not Kyrie or Tatum. Include Tatum in a package for Davis and the Celtics are not winning a championship.
I can’t see how Kyrie/Smart/Hayward/Horrford/Davis with Brown/Morris/Baynes/MLE is not championship caliber.
I think Smart's gone in an AD trade, unless Rozier is actually a part of the trade through S&T, but we also have to find a way to get close to AD's salary in a trade.
-
Honest question, lets say it's summer of 2019, and the Pelicans decide to deal AD. The Lakers offer Ingram/Kuzma, Hart, Ball + some future pick (that's what most predictions and Lakers blog have as their "ballpark" trade offer for AD). Can we outbid the Lakers then?
It's tough. I think if they are willing to deal Kuzma instead of Ingram, it's advantage Lakers, but ultimately we'd probably have to deal Tatum in a trade package to make it more enticing for the Pelicans to accept (because honestly I think they'd view Kuzma more highly than Brown, and that's completely understandable).
I unfortunately don't think Brown + Rozier + Williams(?) + Kings Pick (Top-6, hopefully) + More Picks + Salary will be better than that hypothetical Lakers package, UNLESS you replace Brown with Tatum in said trade idea :(
To me, Tatum's untouchable for AD. Let another team give up a ton/overpay for AD if that's the case.
-
I will trade any player and any asset for Davis, just not Kyrie or Tatum. Include Tatum in a package for Davis and the Celtics are not winning a championship.
I can’t see how Kyrie/Smart/Hayward/Horrford/Davis with Brown/Morris/Baynes/MLE is not championship caliber.
Because Hayward is not an NBA caliber player
lol
-
Honest question, lets say it's summer of 2019, and the Pelicans decide to deal AD. The Lakers offer Ingram/Kuzma, Hart, Ball + some future pick (that's what most predictions and Lakers blog have as their "ballpark" trade offer for AD). Can we outbid the Lakers then?
It's tough. I think if they are willing to deal Kuzma instead of Ingram, it's advantage Lakers, but ultimately we'd probably have to deal Tatum in a trade package to make it more enticing for the Pelicans to accept (because honestly I think they'd view Kuzma more highly than Brown, and that's completely understandable).
I unfortunately don't think Brown + Rozier + Williams(?) + Kings Pick (Top-6, hopefully) + More Picks + Salary will be better than that hypothetical Lakers package, UNLESS you replace Brown with Tatum in said trade idea :(
To me, Tatum's untouchable for AD. Let another team give up a ton/overpay for AD if that's the case.
I think you are overrating Tatum. A 25 year old top 5 player is worth a lot.
-
I will trade any player and any asset for Davis, just not Kyrie or Tatum. Include Tatum in a package for Davis and the Celtics are not winning a championship.
I can’t see how Kyrie/Smart/Hayward/Horrford/Davis with Brown/Morris/Baynes/MLE is not championship caliber.
Because Hayward is not an NBA caliber player
lol
He has a chance to become NBA caliber again, but he will never be the third option on a championship team.
-
Honest question, lets say it's summer of 2019, and the Pelicans decide to deal AD. The Lakers offer Ingram/Kuzma, Hart, Ball + some future pick (that's what most predictions and Lakers blog have as their "ballpark" trade offer for AD). Can we outbid the Lakers then?
It's tough. I think if they are willing to deal Kuzma instead of Ingram, it's advantage Lakers, but ultimately we'd probably have to deal Tatum in a trade package to make it more enticing for the Pelicans to accept (because honestly I think they'd view Kuzma more highly than Brown, and that's completely understandable).
I unfortunately don't think Brown + Rozier + Williams(?) + Kings Pick (Top-6, hopefully) + More Picks + Salary will be better than that hypothetical Lakers package, UNLESS you replace Brown with Tatum in said trade idea :(
To me, Tatum's untouchable for AD. Let another team give up a ton/overpay for AD if that's the case.
I think you are overrating Tatum. A 25 year old top 5 player is worth a lot.
It's actually insane that AD is only 25 at the moment :o
Anyways in the original post here I said we'd probably have to trade Tatum in the deal if LAL makes a grand offer for him. Do I want to? Nope. Will Ainge listen to me? Of course not :P :laugh:
-
If we have to re-sign Kyrie before we could get AD, doesn’t that mean our 4 1sts this year are spent?
And we’d be offering NO players instead of picks in July?
Maybe DA can turn 2-3 picks into future 1sts on draft night when guys slip, to keep AD assets alive.
-
I think Kawhi will either resign with Toronto.....its a quiet place he can be the main hero and play good basketball ...get all the glory long as he wants.
or he will go play for Doc Rivers. He becomes the Lebron of this team as well. Plus he gets all the money, LA lights etc of that city.
Life with Lebron is not all that its cracked up to be. KLove looked like he was in prison being around Lebron ....any chemistry they had looked fake to me.
-
Honest question, lets say it's summer of 2019, and the Pelicans decide to deal AD. The Lakers offer Ingram/Kuzma, Hart, Ball + some future pick (that's what most predictions and Lakers blog have as their "ballpark" trade offer for AD). Can we outbid the Lakers then?
It's tough. I think if they are willing to deal Kuzma instead of Ingram, it's advantage Lakers, but ultimately we'd probably have to deal Tatum in a trade package to make it more enticing for the Pelicans to accept (because honestly I think they'd view Kuzma more highly than Brown, and that's completely understandable).
I unfortunately don't think Brown + Rozier + Williams(?) + Kings Pick (Top-6, hopefully) + More Picks + Salary will be better than that hypothetical Lakers package, UNLESS you replace Brown with Tatum in said trade idea :(
To me, Tatum's untouchable for AD. Let another team give up a ton/overpay for AD if that's the case.
I think you are overrating Tatum. A 25 year old top 5 player is worth a lot.
No one is overrating Tatum. It's just that the Celtics are not going to win a title without Tatum playing with Irving and Davis. Tatum cannot be replaced with Hayward. Kyrie and Davis are not good enough to win with no help. There needs to be a third bonafide all-star/all NBA caliber player (that player is not Gordon Hayward or a way past his prime Horford).
-
Honest question, lets say it's summer of 2019, and the Pelicans decide to deal AD. The Lakers offer Ingram/Kuzma, Hart, Ball + some future pick (that's what most predictions and Lakers blog have as their "ballpark" trade offer for AD). Can we outbid the Lakers then?
It's tough. I think if they are willing to deal Kuzma instead of Ingram, it's advantage Lakers, but ultimately we'd probably have to deal Tatum in a trade package to make it more enticing for the Pelicans to accept (because honestly I think they'd view Kuzma more highly than Brown, and that's completely understandable).
I unfortunately don't think Brown + Rozier + Williams(?) + Kings Pick (Top-6, hopefully) + More Picks + Salary will be better than that hypothetical Lakers package, UNLESS you replace Brown with Tatum in said trade idea :(
To me, Tatum's untouchable for AD. Let another team give up a ton/overpay for AD if that's the case.
I think you are overrating Tatum. A 25 year old top 5 player is worth a lot.
No one is overrating Tatum. It's just that the Celtics are not going to win a title without Tatum playing with Irving and Davis. Tatum cannot be replaced with Hayward. Kyrie and Davis are not good enough to win with no help. There needs to be a third bonafide all-star/all NBA caliber player (that player is not Gordon Hayward or a way past his prime Horford).
I expect Hayward to be his old self next year. If the trade is Tatum, Smart, Yabu, and Williams and picks. You can re-sign Rozier and Morris and have.
Kyrie
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Davis
Rozier
Semi
Morris
Baynes
Theis
And then sign a bench shooter/2 guard and add a draftee.
-
DO NOT trade Tatum !
Pelicans will not take any less
Tough choice by Danny (if opportunity is there)
-
DO NOT trade Tatum !
Pelicans will not take any less
Tough choice by Danny (if opportunity is there)
Maybe we could substitute Brown for Tatum if the Kings pick ends up #2 or #3.
-
I will trade any player and any asset for Davis, just not Kyrie or Tatum. Include Tatum in a package for Davis and the Celtics are not winning a championship.
I can’t see how Kyrie/Smart/Hayward/Horrford/Davis with Brown/Morris/Baynes/MLE is not championship caliber.
Because Hayward is not an NBA caliber player
lol
hahaha...cripes he is coming back from a devastating injury, but of course he will never be 'nba-caliber anymore' lol
after xmas ar some point when hayward is more fully recovered this comment won't age well.
-
DO NOT trade Tatum !
Pelicans will not take any less
Tough choice by Danny (if opportunity is there)
Maybe we could substitute Brown for Tatum if the Kings pick ends up #2 or #3.
They would be asking for all three. Here's hoping Hayward goes back into his 15-16 and 16-17 Jazz form.
-
Honest question, lets say it's summer of 2019, and the Pelicans decide to deal AD. The Lakers offer Ingram/Kuzma, Hart, Ball + some future pick (that's what most predictions and Lakers blog have as their "ballpark" trade offer for AD). Can we outbid the Lakers then?
It's tough. I think if they are willing to deal Kuzma instead of Ingram, it's advantage Lakers, but ultimately we'd probably have to deal Tatum in a trade package to make it more enticing for the Pelicans to accept (because honestly I think they'd view Kuzma more highly than Brown, and that's completely understandable).
I unfortunately don't think Brown + Rozier + Williams(?) + Kings Pick (Top-6, hopefully) + More Picks + Salary will be better than that hypothetical Lakers package, UNLESS you replace Brown with Tatum in said trade idea :(
To me, Tatum's untouchable for AD. Let another team give up a ton/overpay for AD if that's the case.
TP - Thank You Sir
-
I will trade any player and any asset for Davis, just not Kyrie or Tatum. Include Tatum in a package for Davis and the Celtics are not winning a championship.
I can’t see how Kyrie/Smart/Hayward/Horrford/Davis with Brown/Morris/Baynes/MLE is not championship caliber.
Because Hayward is not an NBA caliber player and Horford is old and declining fast.
I hope you’re trolling, but try harder. Weak attempt. C- only because you got a few of us to bite and respond.
I will trade any player and any asset for Davis, just not Kyrie or Tatum. Include Tatum in a package for Davis and the Celtics are not winning a championship.
I can’t see how Kyrie/Smart/Hayward/Horrford/Davis with Brown/Morris/Baynes/MLE is not championship caliber.
I think Smart's gone in an AD trade, unless Rozier is actually a part of the trade through S&T, but we also have to find a way to get close to AD's salary in a trade.
Probably true, as I don’t think Rozier makes it past the deadline on this team.
I guess it really comes down to our 2019 picks and which we would give up and what their salaries are. Assuming we don’t get a top-6 pick, I’d move any or all.
Something like Tatum/Baynes/Yabu/2 of our selected picks may get us there. Figure a pick in the 10-12 range (MEM pick?) will have a starting salary of ~$3M, brining our outgoing total to slightly under $20M, while Davis’ incoming would be a shade under $27.1M. If my math is correct, I believe we would need about another $1.9M to be a legal trade, again, depending on what pick we get and that salary. Another mid-first may do it, or Semi.
Or to make things more feasible, we may see Ainge use the MLE on a guy this season and give him some sort of multi-year deal that would give us enough salary in a trade. Danny is creative, so I’m sure he could make it work. Or trade Rozier for a guy making more with an extra year, and use that salary.
Plenty of options to get it done without having to use Smart.
-
Honest question, lets say it's summer of 2019, and the Pelicans decide to deal AD. The Lakers offer Ingram/Kuzma, Hart, Ball + some future pick (that's what most predictions and Lakers blog have as their "ballpark" trade offer for AD). Can we outbid the Lakers then?
It's tough. I think if they are willing to deal Kuzma instead of Ingram, it's advantage Lakers, but ultimately we'd probably have to deal Tatum in a trade package to make it more enticing for the Pelicans to accept (because honestly I think they'd view Kuzma more highly than Brown, and that's completely understandable).
I unfortunately don't think Brown + Rozier + Williams(?) + Kings Pick (Top-6, hopefully) + More Picks + Salary will be better than that hypothetical Lakers package, UNLESS you replace Brown with Tatum in said trade idea :(
To me, Tatum's untouchable for AD. Let another team give up a ton/overpay for AD if that's the case.
Eh, he has the potential to be a great player in the near future, maybe even a perennial all-star and all-nba player. But Davis IS all that already. He’s a legit top-5 player and MVP candidate.
Can we expect much more of Tatum than what AD already is? Yes he is younger, but we could still have all of AD’s prime, which fits much better with our core and timeline.
-
Davis to Celtics is in works last 2 and a half decades.
-
Believable, but like I’ve been saying: if NOP can keep him happy past the deadline in February, he will be a Celtic. Honestly, if he’s there through the end of the season, I’d start calling Dell Demps pre-draft to see who they like with our picks as part of the trade.
Once we can legally trade for him, Ainge will put together a Godfather offer. Only issue I could see is matching salaries, but I’m sure they will find a way if the crux is worked out (I feel Yabu’s option was picked up for extra, expiring salary).
Truth is, nobody can match what we can offer without absolutely decimating their roster. Whatever we give up, we’d still have Irving, Hayward, and Horford, and some.
Tatum, Smart and picks will work just fine. Throwing in Williams will probably seal it as done.
I think we’d have to do the trade after July 1, using next year’ssalaries. We’d have to come up with just over $22 million, I think. (“Matching” trades need to be within $5 million at that salary range I think).
I'm sure this has been posted in one of the AD threads but I have a question.
I know that we can't really trade for him, unless Kyrie gets moved or doesn't get re-signed...doubtful, until July 1st. Well, the draft is in June so how will it work if N.O. wants the Sacto, Memphis and LAC picks, if they all convey, included in the trade? Can we draft the players N.O. wants and then trade their rights, along with whatever players, after July 1st? Not sure how that works unless that's how it works.
-
Believable, but like I’ve been saying: if NOP can keep him happy past the deadline in February, he will be a Celtic. Honestly, if he’s there through the end of the season, I’d start calling Dell Demps pre-draft to see who they like with our picks as part of the trade.
Once we can legally trade for him, Ainge will put together a Godfather offer. Only issue I could see is matching salaries, but I’m sure they will find a way if the crux is worked out (I feel Yabu’s option was picked up for extra, expiring salary).
Truth is, nobody can match what we can offer without absolutely decimating their roster. Whatever we give up, we’d still have Irving, Hayward, and Horford, and some.
Tatum, Smart and picks will work just fine. Throwing in Williams will probably seal it as done.
I think we’d have to do the trade after July 1, using next year’ssalaries. We’d have to come up with just over $22 million, I think. (“Matching” trades need to be within $5 million at that salary range I think).
I'm sure this has been posted in one of the AD threads but I have a question.
I know that we can't really trade for him, unless Kyrie gets moved or doesn't get re-signed...doubtful, until July 1st. Well, the draft is in June so how will it work if N.O. wants the Sacto, Memphis and LAC picks, if they all convey, included in the trade? Can we draft the players N.O. wants and then trade their rights, along with whatever players, after July 1st? Not sure how that works unless that's how it works.
I Believe you can trade players draft rights until you actually sign them. Then their is a period of time where you can't trade them after they are signed. So in this case, say the deal is worked out, the Celtics would basically be drafting for the Pels, and then would hold off on signing them until the trade happens when Kyrie is signed. Correct me if I'm wrong.
-
Believable, but like I’ve been saying: if NOP can keep him happy past the deadline in February, he will be a Celtic. Honestly, if he’s there through the end of the season, I’d start calling Dell Demps pre-draft to see who they like with our picks as part of the trade.
Once we can legally trade for him, Ainge will put together a Godfather offer. Only issue I could see is matching salaries, but I’m sure they will find a way if the crux is worked out (I feel Yabu’s option was picked up for extra, expiring salary).
Truth is, nobody can match what we can offer without absolutely decimating their roster. Whatever we give up, we’d still have Irving, Hayward, and Horford, and some.
Tatum, Smart and picks will work just fine. Throwing in Williams will probably seal it as done.
I think we’d have to do the trade after July 1, using next year’ssalaries. We’d have to come up with just over $22 million, I think. (“Matching” trades need to be within $5 million at that salary range I think).
I'm sure this has been posted in one of the AD threads but I have a question.
I know that we can't really trade for him, unless Kyrie gets moved or doesn't get re-signed...doubtful, until July 1st. Well, the draft is in June so how will it work if N.O. wants the Sacto, Memphis and LAC picks, if they all convey, included in the trade? Can we draft the players N.O. wants and then trade their rights, along with whatever players, after July 1st? Not sure how that works unless that's how it works.
I Believe you can trade players draft rights until you actually sign them. Then their is a period of time where you can't trade them after they are signed. So in this case, say the deal is worked out, the Celtics would basically be drafting for the Pels, and then would hold off on signing them until the trade happens when Kyrie is signed. Correct me if I'm wrong.
You can either trade their draft rights (which have no value for salary matching) immediately, or sign them to their rookie scale contract (which can be used to match salary) and trade them after 30 days
In a case like this, we would agree to the deal before the draft/FA, and then execute it when it became legal (like with the KG/Pierce deal)
-
Believable, but like I’ve been saying: if NOP can keep him happy past the deadline in February, he will be a Celtic. Honestly, if he’s there through the end of the season, I’d start calling Dell Demps pre-draft to see who they like with our picks as part of the trade.
Once we can legally trade for him, Ainge will put together a Godfather offer. Only issue I could see is matching salaries, but I’m sure they will find a way if the crux is worked out (I feel Yabu’s option was picked up for extra, expiring salary).
Truth is, nobody can match what we can offer without absolutely decimating their roster. Whatever we give up, we’d still have Irving, Hayward, and Horford, and some.
Tatum, Smart and picks will work just fine. Throwing in Williams will probably seal it as done.
I think we’d have to do the trade after July 1, using next year’ssalaries. We’d have to come up with just over $22 million, I think. (“Matching” trades need to be within $5 million at that salary range I think).
I'm sure this has been posted in one of the AD threads but I have a question.
I know that we can't really trade for him, unless Kyrie gets moved or doesn't get re-signed...doubtful, until July 1st. Well, the draft is in June so how will it work if N.O. wants the Sacto, Memphis and LAC picks, if they all convey, included in the trade? Can we draft the players N.O. wants and then trade their rights, along with whatever players, after July 1st? Not sure how that works unless that's how it works.
I Believe you can trade players draft rights until you actually sign them. Then their is a period of time where you can't trade them after they are signed. So in this case, say the deal is worked out, the Celtics would basically be drafting for the Pels, and then would hold off on signing them until the trade happens when Kyrie is signed. Correct me if I'm wrong.
You can either trade their draft rights (which have no value for salary matching) immediately, or sign them to their rookie scale contract (which can be used to match salary) and trade them after 30 days
In a case like this, we would agree to the deal before the draft/FA, and then execute it when it became legal (like with the KG/Pierce deal)
Cool so I was close haha. Do you know if there is a limit on how long you can hold off on signing them before a trade?
-
A cold war with the Lakers is definitely bad for the Celtics.
The thing is salary-wise the only way to make an AD to Boston trade feasable NO would have to accept Horford's contract. I say this because he seems like a more appealing asset than Hayward.
A trade of Horford, Tatum, Brown and picks works salary-wise for AD and Solomon Hill.
This seems like a competitive offer When compared to say Rondo, Ingram, and Ball or Kuzma plus picks which the Lakers would most likely be willing to offer.
-
A cold war with the Lakers is definitely bad for the Celtics.
The thing is salary-wise the only way to make an AD to Boston trade feasable NO would have to accept Horford's contract. I say this because he seems like a more appealing asset than Hayward.
A trade of Horford, Tatum, Brown and picks works salary-wise for AD and Solomon Hill.
This seems like a competitive offer When compared to say Rondo, Ingram, and Ball or Kuzma plus picks which the Lakers would most likely be willing to offer.
I think Smart, Tatum/Brown, Williams + Yabusele works salary wise.
Then of course you add in all the picks and some would have cap holds come July 1 (after the draft is conducted)
-
Not good:
"via The Sportsrush
Report: Lakers could trade Anthony Davis by Dec 15th, Lonzo to be off-loaded in 3 team deal.
According to a report by Woj and Brandon Robinson , Anthony Davis could end up at the Lakers as soon as Dec 15."
https://thesportsrush.com/lonzo-ball-to-be-part-of-anthony-davis-trade-according-to-reports/
-
Not good:
"via The Sportsrush
Report: Lakers could trade Anthony Davis by Dec 15th, Lonzo to be off-loaded in 3 team deal.
According to a report by Woj and Brandon Robinson , Anthony Davis could end up at the Lakers as soon as Dec 15."
https://thesportsrush.com/lonzo-ball-to-be-part-of-anthony-davis-trade-according-to-reports/
So obviously clickbait. Don't know any of these guys. They have multiple things wrong with the supposed deal.
I will say that after their great start, I've watched multiple Pelicans games and it looks like they are playing tight with something like this looming over their head.
-
Of course the Lakers have been trying to acquire AD for years. This has been a typical Lakers MO for decades: Trade for star players.
-
Believable, but like I’ve been saying: if NOP can keep him happy past the deadline in February, he will be a Celtic. Honestly, if he’s there through the end of the season, I’d start calling Dell Demps pre-draft to see who they like with our picks as part of the trade.
Once we can legally trade for him, Ainge will put together a Godfather offer. Only issue I could see is matching salaries, but I’m sure they will find a way if the crux is worked out (I feel Yabu’s option was picked up for extra, expiring salary).
Truth is, nobody can match what we can offer without absolutely decimating their roster. Whatever we give up, we’d still have Irving, Hayward, and Horford, and some.
Tatum, Smart and picks will work just fine. Throwing in Williams will probably seal it as done.
I think we’d have to do the trade after July 1, using next year’ssalaries. We’d have to come up with just over $22 million, I think. (“Matching” trades need to be within $5 million at that salary range I think).
I'm sure this has been posted in one of the AD threads but I have a question.
I know that we can't really trade for him, unless Kyrie gets moved or doesn't get re-signed...doubtful, until July 1st. Well, the draft is in June so how will it work if N.O. wants the Sacto, Memphis and LAC picks, if they all convey, included in the trade? Can we draft the players N.O. wants and then trade their rights, along with whatever players, after July 1st? Not sure how that works unless that's how it works.
I Believe you can trade players draft rights until you actually sign them. Then their is a period of time where you can't trade them after they are signed. So in this case, say the deal is worked out, the Celtics would basically be drafting for the Pels, and then would hold off on signing them until the trade happens when Kyrie is signed. Correct me if I'm wrong.
A good example of this is the Wiggins for Love trade. They held off signing Wiggins and were able to trade him before the season had begun.
Those salaries (slotted) would count in the trade, whereas future picks do not.
Sucks that Danny’s hands are tied over some stupid CBA rule. Had he been able to trade for him this season, we would easily be able to outbid anyone. Like I said previously, we just need New Orleans to keep him past the deadline.
-
Trading Horford and Brown and a 1st rounder plus filler gets the job done imo.
I really hate giving up Al but he needs to make salaries work. Between Brown or Tatum, I’d rather give up brown. I think JB will be special someday but you have to give up quality to get quality. The 1st rounder puts the deal over the top imo and NOP will have a hard time saying no to that.
-
Trading Horford and Brown and a 1st rounder plus filler gets the job done imo.
I really hate giving up Al but he needs to make salaries work. Between Brown or Tatum, I’d rather give up brown. I think JB will be special someday but you have to give up quality to get quality. The 1st rounder puts the deal over the top imo and NOP will have a hard time saying no to that.
I seriously doubt NO starts discussions without Tatum in the offer.
Especially the way JB looks so far.
-
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2809350-anthony-davis-trade-rumors-pelicans-star-hasnt-even-hinted-at-being-unhappy
-
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2809350-anthony-davis-trade-rumors-pelicans-star-hasnt-even-hinted-at-being-unhappy
Keep saying it. No one wants to listen. The Pels love Davis. Davis loves New Orleans. If he stays with the Pels he gets his supermax. If he gets traded and signed by another team, it cost him upwards of $40-50 million.
Davis isn't going anywhere for 2-3 years at the very least.
-
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2809350-anthony-davis-trade-rumors-pelicans-star-hasnt-even-hinted-at-being-unhappy
Keep saying it. No one wants to listen. The Pels love Davis. Davis loves New Orleans. If he stays with the Pels he gets his supermax. If he gets traded and signed by another team, it cost him upwards of $40-50 million.
Davis isn't going anywhere for 2-3 years at the very least.
Davis was asked in an interview if the supermax was important to him and he said money isn't everything, I am sure he loves New Orleans but if they either don't make the playoffs or just scrape in and get swept (both are very likely) he will have to make a decision about winning in the offseason, because a supermax deal is a 5 year commitment after which Davis will be 31 and similar to Garnett his prime will be all but wasted.
Also in regards to the supermax financial incentive, he is and will remain to be an unknown quantity in New Orleans so his marketability (real income) will be small, but a move to LA or Boston he will make substantially more from advertising e.g Kyrie Irving doesn't have the second highest selling Nike shoes or a movie if he isn't playing with LeBron.
Ainge knows all this which is why he tried to sign Rozier to an extension at the beginning of the season so he could use Terry in a Davis trade this offseason.
-
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2809350-anthony-davis-trade-rumors-pelicans-star-hasnt-even-hinted-at-being-unhappy
Keep saying it. No one wants to listen. The Pels love Davis. Davis loves New Orleans. If he stays with the Pels he gets his supermax. If he gets traded and signed by another team, it cost him upwards of $40-50 million.
Davis isn't going anywhere for 2-3 years at the very least.
Davis was asked in an interview if the supermax was important to him and he said money isn't everything, I am sure he loves New Orleans but if they either don't make the playoffs or just scrape in and get swept (both are very likely) he will have to make a decision about winning in the offseason, because a supermax deal is a 5 year commitment after which Davis will be 31 and similar to Garnett his prime will be all but wasted.
Also in regards to the supermax financial incentive, he is and will remain to be an unknown quantity in New Orleans so his marketability (real income) will be small, but a move to LA or Boston he will make substantially more from advertising e.g Kyrie Irving doesn't have the second highest selling Nike shoes or a movie if he isn't playing with LeBron.
Ainge knows all this which is why he tried to sign Rozier to an extension at the beginning of the season so he could use Terry in a Davis trade this offseason.
Davis is 7 years in and will be 8 at the earliest he can be a free agent. Not that hard to just sign a 2 year deal and get to 10 years service anyway, if that is what he wants, especially if he gets traded (so a 3 year max with a player option at the end of year 2, which he can then just opt out and sign the 5 year 35% max).
-
And LeBron wants Davis:
https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/lebron-james-wants-anthony-davis-on-the-lakers-that-would-be-amazing-news.67212.html
-
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2809350-anthony-davis-trade-rumors-pelicans-star-hasnt-even-hinted-at-being-unhappy
Keep saying it. No one wants to listen. The Pels love Davis. Davis loves New Orleans. If he stays with the Pels he gets his supermax. If he gets traded and signed by another team, it cost him upwards of $40-50 million.
Davis isn't going anywhere for 2-3 years at the very least.
Davis was asked in an interview if the supermax was important to him and he said money isn't everything, I am sure he loves New Orleans but if they either don't make the playoffs or just scrape in and get swept (both are very likely) he will have to make a decision about winning in the offseason, because a supermax deal is a 5 year commitment after which Davis will be 31 and similar to Garnett his prime will be all but wasted.
Also in regards to the supermax financial incentive, he is and will remain to be an unknown quantity in New Orleans so his marketability (real income) will be small, but a move to LA or Boston he will make substantially more from advertising e.g Kyrie Irving doesn't have the second highest selling Nike shoes or a movie if he isn't playing with LeBron.
Ainge knows all this which is why he tried to sign Rozier to an extension at the beginning of the season so he could use Terry in a Davis trade this offseason.
Anthony Davis is already featured on multiple national TV commercials, including Mobil 1 Oil spots, which are quite funny. Lebron has made a fortune on TV commercials spending most of his career in Cleveland.
-
I see a lot of trade ideas here, but IMO, Danny Ainge is never going to trade Marcus Smart.
-
I see a lot of trade ideas here, but IMO, Danny Ainge is never going to trade Marcus Smart.
If that’s what it takes to get Davis, I’m afraid he would have little choice.
-
I see a lot of trade ideas here, but IMO, Danny Ainge is never going to trade Marcus Smart.
If that’s what it takes to get Davis, I’m afraid he would have little choice.
If New Orleans wants Tatum, Smart and Williams included in trade...plus picks....guess what? They are all going to be Pelicans.
-
I see a lot of trade ideas here, but IMO, Danny Ainge is never going to trade Marcus Smart.
If that’s what it takes to get Davis, I’m afraid he would have little choice.
If New Orleans wants Tatum, Smart and Williams included in trade...plus picks....guess what? They are all going to be Pelicans.
I don’t know why but it’s really hard to envision Smart in any other uniform.
But yeah, if that’s the price, Danny does it.
I hope picks (we select who they like in 2019 draft) can get it done more than our players (besides Brown or Tatum).
-
Why would the Lakers bother to trade for him? They just wait for free agency, and the stars come to Hollywood, Lebron style. Don't these free agents know that the Pacific waters are cold as all heck? Those beaches are just for the movies. Cape Cod waters are warmer in the summer.
-
Why would the Lakers bother to trade for him? They just wait for free agency, and the stars come to Hollywood, Lebron style. Don't these free agents know that the Pacific waters are cold as all heck? Those beaches are just for the movies. Cape Cod waters are warmer in the summer.
No one joined Lebron last summer though. Maybe they strike out again and instead of wasting 1 Lebron season, they waste 2.
-
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/12/23/18154033/nba-rumors-anthony-davis-la-lakers-trade-lebron-james-rich-paul-klutch
-
I mean, wasn't PG13 to the Lakers virtually a given like a year ago? What about Kawhi being a Laker by the end of the summer?
Also, I have to imagine the Pelicans are getting extremely mad at the media pushing the AD to LAL narrative, maybe enough that they decide to deal him elsewhere (out of the conference as a whole) and maybe to BOS (fingers crossed) sometime next summer if he rejects the super-max! ;D
KG recently pushed for AD to go to LAL... but could it be an elaborate ploy set up by Ainge, telling KG to push the narrative to further anger the Pelicans? ???
-
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/anthony-davis-free-agency-rumors-nba-executives-expect-pelicans-star-to-end-up-on-lakers-or-celtics-per-report/
-
Latest from Lowe:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25619439/anthony-davis-trade-talk-biggest-story-nba
-
Latest from Lowe:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25619439/anthony-davis-trade-talk-biggest-story-nba
What's up with KG pushing AD to go to the Lakers???
-
Latest from Lowe:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25619439/anthony-davis-trade-talk-biggest-story-nba
What's up with KG pushing AD to go to the Lakers???
I think it is more of pushing AD out of New Orleans to a place he can legitimately win. At least that was the impression I got from the whole context of quotes. It centered on Lebron and the Lakers because that has been in the news, but his underlying point is, get out while you are still young because that was KG's greatest professional regret i.e. he stayed in Minny too long.
-
Latest from Lowe:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25619439/anthony-davis-trade-talk-biggest-story-nba
What's up with KG pushing AD to go to the Lakers???
From reading the article, it looked like ‘not the Pelicans’ was the destination KG had in mind, lol. The Lakers and Lebron were the specific example he used, but the crux of his argument was that Davis needs to go somewhere that he can win more for the sake of his legacy.
I’d guess that KG would have given us the same approval if pressed. Wouldn’t read into it as some anti-Celtic statement.
Edit: Moranis beat me to it. TP.
-
Interesting article from Lowe. So let's game it out from the viewpoint of the three parties:
1) New Orleans: At this point, it seems they have to work under the assumption that Davis isn't coming back. Thus, there's an incentive to trade him. Do you trade him now, when the only real player is the Lakers, or do you wait until the summer, when the Celtics can get involved? Lowe mentioned Kawhi as a reason that NOP might want to trade him now, to avoid a collapse in his value. But it seems to me that Kawhi was an entirely different situation. Davis has no marks against him, whereas Kawhi was either A) coming off a season ending injury, or B) was so toxic in the locker room that he couldn't get along with one of the most popular coaches in the league.
In other words, I don't see much threat of AD's value collapsing. I guess that he could declare that there's no way he's resigning with NOP, which would, in theory, diminish his trade value. But for a top-5 player without Kawhi's issues, there's still going to be a huge bid.
2) Lakers: Because the Lakers have to assume that NOP is willing to hold out, they're gonna have to make their Godfather offer before the trade deadline. None of this "We'll offer them our second-best package and raise it later if we need to." Their goal is to prevent this situation from ever getting to the point where the Celtics have a shot at him. What will it take? As someone suggested earlier, looks like Kuzma, Hart and Ball, plus a few draft picks. It definitely leaves them a little thin, but with a starting two like AD and LeBron, they could definitely attract players to come to LA at a discount and will have some room to do so.
LeBron plans on winning a championship in LA, and I'm sure that the Lakers promised him that they would spare no expense to do so.
If Davis is still available after the trade deadline, I feel much better about the Celtics' chances.
3) Boston: Totally screwed by an obscure rule, and can't get involved until July. I think we all know that, so their ability to play is controlled by the other two parties. The plus side is that we have the best assets to offer. A deal of Brown, Smart, Yabu and Williams, plus the Memphis and Sac picks, is a better deal than what the Lakers can offer.
The problem is this: We don't know the future value of our assets, only the current value. If Brown continues to play like he is now, his value drops. We don't know how NOP would value Smart, but he strikes me as one of those players who won't do nearly as well anywhere else (and who can picture the Celtics without Smart, anyway; could we do a S&T with Rozier instead of Marcus?). And if SAC and Memphis continue their winning ways, those picks won't be nearly as valuable.
Ultimately, if I'm New Orleans, I'm probably better off waiting it out. Even if the Cs players fall apart, the LA offer will still be on the table. But the one thing that we don't know is how AD feels about all of this. If he says, "I want to go to LA," then chances are that's where he'll end up. On the other hand, from Davis's point of view, it's now him, LeBron and a much thinner team, not to mention the fact that stars don't see to work well with LeBron, even though I'm sure that James is promising him that it will be his team in a couple of years.
Right now, I think I'm slightly leaning toward LA, because of the whole bird in hand thing, not to mention that they don't want to risk a situation where AD tells them that he wants to go to Tinseltown, scaring off other suitors.
Mike
-
I feel the way this story ends is that Davis ends up in LA.
The real question is whether Leonard will join him there, as well.
Question for the Celts is can they contend with this group? Can they make it out of the East? If not, who cares which West team dominates?
Does Danny try to turn Brown, Williams, and picks into some other piece to add?
Will Hayward ever be All-Star caliber again?
Will Horford negotiate down his deal to give the Celts more flexibility?
-
Interesting article from Lowe. So let's game it out from the viewpoint of the three parties:
1) New Orleans: At this point, it seems they have to work under the assumption that Davis isn't coming back. Thus, there's an incentive to trade him. Do you trade him now, when the only real player is the Lakers, or do you wait until the summer, when the Celtics can get involved? Lowe mentioned Kawhi as a reason that NOP might want to trade him now, to avoid a collapse in his value. But it seems to me that Kawhi was an entirely different situation. Davis has no marks against him, whereas Kawhi was either A) coming off a season ending injury, or B) was so toxic in the locker room that he couldn't get along with one of the most popular coaches in the league.
In other words, I don't see much threat of AD's value collapsing. I guess that he could declare that there's no way he's resigning with NOP, which would, in theory, diminish his trade value. But for a top-5 player without Kawhi's issues, there's still going to be a huge bid.
2) Lakers: Because the Lakers have to assume that NOP is willing to hold out, they're gonna have to make their Godfather offer before the trade deadline. None of this "We'll offer them our second-best package and raise it later if we need to." Their goal is to prevent this situation from ever getting to the point where the Celtics have a shot at him. What will it take? As someone suggested earlier, looks like Kuzma, Hart and Ball, plus a few draft picks. It definitely leaves them a little thin, but with a starting two like AD and LeBron, they could definitely attract players to come to LA at a discount and will have some room to do so.
LeBron plans on winning a championship in LA, and I'm sure that the Lakers promised him that they would spare no expense to do so.
If Davis is still available after the trade deadline, I feel much better about the Celtics' chances.
3) Boston: Totally screwed by an obscure rule, and can't get involved until July. I think we all know that, so their ability to play is controlled by the other two parties. The plus side is that we have the best assets to offer. A deal of Brown, Smart, Yabu and Williams, plus the Memphis and Sac picks, is a better deal than what the Lakers can offer.
The problem is this: We don't know the future value of our assets, only the current value. If Brown continues to play like he is now, his value drops. We don't know how NOP would value Smart, but he strikes me as one of those players who won't do nearly as well anywhere else (and who can picture the Celtics without Smart, anyway; could we do a S&T with Rozier instead of Marcus?). And if SAC and Memphis continue their winning ways, those picks won't be nearly as valuable.
Ultimately, if I'm New Orleans, I'm probably better off waiting it out. Even if the Cs players fall apart, the LA offer will still be on the table. But the one thing that we don't know is how AD feels about all of this. If he says, "I want to go to LA," then chances are that's where he'll end up. On the other hand, from Davis's point of view, it's now him, LeBron and a much thinner team, not to mention the fact that stars don't see to work well with LeBron, even though I'm sure that James is promising him that it will be his team in a couple of years.
Right now, I think I'm slightly leaning toward LA, because of the whole bird in hand thing, not to mention that they don't want to risk a situation where AD tells them that he wants to go to Tinseltown, scaring off other suitors.
Mike
Lakers offer without Ingram is not Godfather territory. I see the Lakers offering anyone not named Lebron, and maybe create picks through trading Ball, if the Pels don’t want him.
I also see Pels, with Laker offer in hand, calling Celtics and asking hypothetically what they would be willing to offer come July, and specifically whether it would include Tatum in package.
My biggest concern is that agent Paul will do everything possible to steer Davis to L A, and bash Boston in the process. Call me paranoid.
The more I watch our current team the more I’m convinced we need another star like Davis to get to the mountaintop. Maybe I’ll feel differently at the end of the season.
-
https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2018/12/anthony-davis-rumors-2018-boston-celtics-likely-to-be-ultra-aggressive-without-guarantee-per-zach-lowe.html
So do you guys think the Celtics best offer is better than the Lakers?
-
Interesting article from Lowe. So let's game it out from the viewpoint of the three parties:
1) New Orleans: At this point, it seems they have to work under the assumption that Davis isn't coming back. Thus, there's an incentive to trade him. Do you trade him now, when the only real player is the Lakers, or do you wait until the summer, when the Celtics can get involved? Lowe mentioned Kawhi as a reason that NOP might want to trade him now, to avoid a collapse in his value. But it seems to me that Kawhi was an entirely different situation. Davis has no marks against him, whereas Kawhi was either A) coming off a season ending injury, or B) was so toxic in the locker room that he couldn't get along with one of the most popular coaches in the league.
In other words, I don't see much threat of AD's value collapsing. I guess that he could declare that there's no way he's resigning with NOP, which would, in theory, diminish his trade value. But for a top-5 player without Kawhi's issues, there's still going to be a huge bid.
2) Lakers: Because the Lakers have to assume that NOP is willing to hold out, they're gonna have to make their Godfather offer before the trade deadline. None of this "We'll offer them our second-best package and raise it later if we need to." Their goal is to prevent this situation from ever getting to the point where the Celtics have a shot at him. What will it take? As someone suggested earlier, looks like Kuzma, Hart and Ball, plus a few draft picks. It definitely leaves them a little thin, but with a starting two like AD and LeBron, they could definitely attract players to come to LA at a discount and will have some room to do so.
LeBron plans on winning a championship in LA, and I'm sure that the Lakers promised him that they would spare no expense to do so.
If Davis is still available after the trade deadline, I feel much better about the Celtics' chances.
3) Boston: Totally screwed by an obscure rule, and can't get involved until July. I think we all know that, so their ability to play is controlled by the other two parties. The plus side is that we have the best assets to offer. A deal of Brown, Smart, Yabu and Williams, plus the Memphis and Sac picks, is a better deal than what the Lakers can offer.
The problem is this: We don't know the future value of our assets, only the current value. If Brown continues to play like he is now, his value drops. We don't know how NOP would value Smart, but he strikes me as one of those players who won't do nearly as well anywhere else (and who can picture the Celtics without Smart, anyway; could we do a S&T with Rozier instead of Marcus?). And if SAC and Memphis continue their winning ways, those picks won't be nearly as valuable.
Ultimately, if I'm New Orleans, I'm probably better off waiting it out. Even if the Cs players fall apart, the LA offer will still be on the table. But the one thing that we don't know is how AD feels about all of this. If he says, "I want to go to LA," then chances are that's where he'll end up. On the other hand, from Davis's point of view, it's now him, LeBron and a much thinner team, not to mention the fact that stars don't see to work well with LeBron, even though I'm sure that James is promising him that it will be his team in a couple of years.
Right now, I think I'm slightly leaning toward LA, because of the whole bird in hand thing, not to mention that they don't want to risk a situation where AD tells them that he wants to go to Tinseltown, scaring off other suitors.
Mike
Brown, Smart, Yabu, and Sacto and Memphis is not a better offer than the Lakers can make unless the Sacto pick is 2 and the Memphis pick is 9 (i.e. the best they can be). Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, and Ball (plus some late 1st's) easily tops Boston's offer unless those picks end up great (and even then if the Pelicans don't love Barrett, maybe they still prefer that Lakers offer). Boston has to offer Tatum to have any shot at realistically beating the Lakers best deal (I say realistically because the odds of Boston striking gold on the picks at this point seems unrealistically low).
-
Do Ingram and Ball actually have significantly greater value now than middle-of-the-lottery picks in the upcoming draft?
I'm not sure they do.
Neither player has exactly lit the world on fire or looked like a surefire star. Teams tend to fall in love with the uncertainty and "potential" of guys who haven't entered the league yet.
Jaylen's development has stagnated, too, to be sure. Not sure what his trade value is, either. But he's at least been a quality player in the playoffs for a good team, and he profiles as a solid complementary piece in most situations. Whereas Ingram seems to need a lot of time on the ball.
Kuzma's a good trade piece, certainly better than Robert Williams or Marcus Smart. Maybe better than Jaylen Brown.
I think it would come down to whether New Orleans prefers players with some experience (albeit young) or picks.
-
Interesting article from Lowe. So let's game it out from the viewpoint of the three parties:
1) New Orleans: At this point, it seems they have to work under the assumption that Davis isn't coming back. Thus, there's an incentive to trade him. Do you trade him now, when the only real player is the Lakers, or do you wait until the summer, when the Celtics can get involved? Lowe mentioned Kawhi as a reason that NOP might want to trade him now, to avoid a collapse in his value. But it seems to me that Kawhi was an entirely different situation. Davis has no marks against him, whereas Kawhi was either A) coming off a season ending injury, or B) was so toxic in the locker room that he couldn't get along with one of the most popular coaches in the league.
In other words, I don't see much threat of AD's value collapsing. I guess that he could declare that there's no way he's resigning with NOP, which would, in theory, diminish his trade value. But for a top-5 player without Kawhi's issues, there's still going to be a huge bid.
2) Lakers: Because the Lakers have to assume that NOP is willing to hold out, they're gonna have to make their Godfather offer before the trade deadline. None of this "We'll offer them our second-best package and raise it later if we need to." Their goal is to prevent this situation from ever getting to the point where the Celtics have a shot at him. What will it take? As someone suggested earlier, looks like Kuzma, Hart and Ball, plus a few draft picks. It definitely leaves them a little thin, but with a starting two like AD and LeBron, they could definitely attract players to come to LA at a discount and will have some room to do so.
LeBron plans on winning a championship in LA, and I'm sure that the Lakers promised him that they would spare no expense to do so.
If Davis is still available after the trade deadline, I feel much better about the Celtics' chances.
3) Boston: Totally screwed by an obscure rule, and can't get involved until July. I think we all know that, so their ability to play is controlled by the other two parties. The plus side is that we have the best assets to offer. A deal of Brown, Smart, Yabu and Williams, plus the Memphis and Sac picks, is a better deal than what the Lakers can offer.
The problem is this: We don't know the future value of our assets, only the current value. If Brown continues to play like he is now, his value drops. We don't know how NOP would value Smart, but he strikes me as one of those players who won't do nearly as well anywhere else (and who can picture the Celtics without Smart, anyway; could we do a S&T with Rozier instead of Marcus?). And if SAC and Memphis continue their winning ways, those picks won't be nearly as valuable.
Ultimately, if I'm New Orleans, I'm probably better off waiting it out. Even if the Cs players fall apart, the LA offer will still be on the table. But the one thing that we don't know is how AD feels about all of this. If he says, "I want to go to LA," then chances are that's where he'll end up. On the other hand, from Davis's point of view, it's now him, LeBron and a much thinner team, not to mention the fact that stars don't see to work well with LeBron, even though I'm sure that James is promising him that it will be his team in a couple of years.
Right now, I think I'm slightly leaning toward LA, because of the whole bird in hand thing, not to mention that they don't want to risk a situation where AD tells them that he wants to go to Tinseltown, scaring off other suitors.
Mike
Lakers offer without Ingram is not Godfather territory. I see the Lakers offering anyone not named Lebron, and maybe create picks through trading Ball, if the Pels don’t want him.
I also see Pels, with Laker offer in hand, calling Celtics and asking hypothetically what they would be willing to offer come July, and specifically whether it would include Tatum in package.
My biggest concern is that agent Paul will do everything possible to steer Davis to L A, and bash Boston in the process. Call me paranoid.
The more I watch our current team the more I’m convinced we need another star like Davis to get to the mountaintop. Maybe I’ll feel differently at the end of the season.
Most likely the Celtics and Pelicans would consumate the deal in July but it would have already been agreed upon before the draft so that the Celtics could draft the players the Pels wanted in this draft. Similar to the Andrew Wiggins and Kevin Love trade that was agreed upon before the draft but wasn't official until the summer.
-
Do Ingram and Ball actually have significantly greater value now than middle-of-the-lottery picks in the upcoming draft?
I'm not sure they do.
Neither player has exactly lit the world on fire or looked like a surefire star. Teams tend to fall in love with the uncertainty and "potential" of guys who haven't entered the league yet.
Jaylen's development has stagnated, too, to be sure. Not sure what his trade value is, either. But he's at least been a quality player in the playoffs for a good team, and he profiles as a solid complementary piece in most situations. Whereas Ingram seems to need a lot of time on the ball.
Kuzma's a good trade piece, certainly better than Robert Williams or Marcus Smart. Maybe better than Jaylen Brown.
I think it would come down to whether New Orleans prefers players with some experience (albeit young) or picks.
I think Ingram does, not sure on Ball. Ingram has actually been as good as Kuzma this year in many respects, for example he is scoring 1.27 pps while Kuzma is down around 1.24 pps. Kuzma is shooting more, so he is scoring more and getting more pub, but the fall of Ingram has been greatly exaggerated by the national media. And despite the extra year in the league, Ingram is in fact 2 years younger than Kuzma. I think there are reasonable arguments that both Ingram and Kuzma are better prospects than Brown, and even Ball might be (depending on the team). That is why any trade for Davis has to start with Tatum or Boston has no real shot at landing him (the only caveat would be if that Sacto pick ends up at like 2).
-
Interesting article from Lowe. So let's game it out from the viewpoint of the three parties:
1) New Orleans: At this point, it seems they have to work under the assumption that Davis isn't coming back. Thus, there's an incentive to trade him. Do you trade him now, when the only real player is the Lakers, or do you wait until the summer, when the Celtics can get involved? Lowe mentioned Kawhi as a reason that NOP might want to trade him now, to avoid a collapse in his value. But it seems to me that Kawhi was an entirely different situation. Davis has no marks against him, whereas Kawhi was either A) coming off a season ending injury, or B) was so toxic in the locker room that he couldn't get along with one of the most popular coaches in the league.
In other words, I don't see much threat of AD's value collapsing. I guess that he could declare that there's no way he's resigning with NOP, which would, in theory, diminish his trade value. But for a top-5 player without Kawhi's issues, there's still going to be a huge bid.
2) Lakers: Because the Lakers have to assume that NOP is willing to hold out, they're gonna have to make their Godfather offer before the trade deadline. None of this "We'll offer them our second-best package and raise it later if we need to." Their goal is to prevent this situation from ever getting to the point where the Celtics have a shot at him. What will it take? As someone suggested earlier, looks like Kuzma, Hart and Ball, plus a few draft picks. It definitely leaves them a little thin, but with a starting two like AD and LeBron, they could definitely attract players to come to LA at a discount and will have some room to do so.
LeBron plans on winning a championship in LA, and I'm sure that the Lakers promised him that they would spare no expense to do so.
If Davis is still available after the trade deadline, I feel much better about the Celtics' chances.
3) Boston: Totally screwed by an obscure rule, and can't get involved until July. I think we all know that, so their ability to play is controlled by the other two parties. The plus side is that we have the best assets to offer. A deal of Brown, Smart, Yabu and Williams, plus the Memphis and Sac picks, is a better deal than what the Lakers can offer.
The problem is this: We don't know the future value of our assets, only the current value. If Brown continues to play like he is now, his value drops. We don't know how NOP would value Smart, but he strikes me as one of those players who won't do nearly as well anywhere else (and who can picture the Celtics without Smart, anyway; could we do a S&T with Rozier instead of Marcus?). And if SAC and Memphis continue their winning ways, those picks won't be nearly as valuable.
Ultimately, if I'm New Orleans, I'm probably better off waiting it out. Even if the Cs players fall apart, the LA offer will still be on the table. But the one thing that we don't know is how AD feels about all of this. If he says, "I want to go to LA," then chances are that's where he'll end up. On the other hand, from Davis's point of view, it's now him, LeBron and a much thinner team, not to mention the fact that stars don't see to work well with LeBron, even though I'm sure that James is promising him that it will be his team in a couple of years.
Right now, I think I'm slightly leaning toward LA, because of the whole bird in hand thing, not to mention that they don't want to risk a situation where AD tells them that he wants to go to Tinseltown, scaring off other suitors.
Mike
Lakers offer without Ingram is not Godfather territory. I see the Lakers offering anyone not named Lebron, and maybe create picks through trading Ball, if the Pels don’t want him.
I also see Pels, with Laker offer in hand, calling Celtics and asking hypothetically what they would be willing to offer come July, and specifically whether it would include Tatum in package.
My biggest concern is that agent Paul will do everything possible to steer Davis to L A, and bash Boston in the process. Call me paranoid.
The more I watch our current team the more I’m convinced we need another star like Davis to get to the mountaintop. Maybe I’ll feel differently at the end of the season.
Most likely the Celtics and Pelicans would consumate the deal in July but it would have already been agreed upon before the draft so that the Celtics could draft the players the Pels wanted in this draft. Similar to the Andrew Wiggins and Kevin Love trade that was agreed upon before the draft but wasn't official until the summer.
Wiggins and Love was not agreed upon before the draft. A Love traded wasn't even discussed until Lebron signed with the Cavs as a free agent, long after the draft. And then for awhile, the Cavs refused to include Wiggins in the trade before finally relenting. Your greater point though is sound i.e. you can agree to the trade before the draft and then finalize it after. That happens every year.
-
Interesting article from Lowe. So let's game it out from the viewpoint of the three parties:
1) New Orleans: At this point, it seems they have to work under the assumption that Davis isn't coming back. Thus, there's an incentive to trade him. Do you trade him now, when the only real player is the Lakers, or do you wait until the summer, when the Celtics can get involved? Lowe mentioned Kawhi as a reason that NOP might want to trade him now, to avoid a collapse in his value. But it seems to me that Kawhi was an entirely different situation. Davis has no marks against him, whereas Kawhi was either A) coming off a season ending injury, or B) was so toxic in the locker room that he couldn't get along with one of the most popular coaches in the league.
In other words, I don't see much threat of AD's value collapsing. I guess that he could declare that there's no way he's resigning with NOP, which would, in theory, diminish his trade value. But for a top-5 player without Kawhi's issues, there's still going to be a huge bid.
2) Lakers: Because the Lakers have to assume that NOP is willing to hold out, they're gonna have to make their Godfather offer before the trade deadline. None of this "We'll offer them our second-best package and raise it later if we need to." Their goal is to prevent this situation from ever getting to the point where the Celtics have a shot at him. What will it take? As someone suggested earlier, looks like Kuzma, Hart and Ball, plus a few draft picks. It definitely leaves them a little thin, but with a starting two like AD and LeBron, they could definitely attract players to come to LA at a discount and will have some room to do so.
LeBron plans on winning a championship in LA, and I'm sure that the Lakers promised him that they would spare no expense to do so.
If Davis is still available after the trade deadline, I feel much better about the Celtics' chances.
3) Boston: Totally screwed by an obscure rule, and can't get involved until July. I think we all know that, so their ability to play is controlled by the other two parties. The plus side is that we have the best assets to offer. A deal of Brown, Smart, Yabu and Williams, plus the Memphis and Sac picks, is a better deal than what the Lakers can offer.
The problem is this: We don't know the future value of our assets, only the current value. If Brown continues to play like he is now, his value drops. We don't know how NOP would value Smart, but he strikes me as one of those players who won't do nearly as well anywhere else (and who can picture the Celtics without Smart, anyway; could we do a S&T with Rozier instead of Marcus?). And if SAC and Memphis continue their winning ways, those picks won't be nearly as valuable.
Ultimately, if I'm New Orleans, I'm probably better off waiting it out. Even if the Cs players fall apart, the LA offer will still be on the table. But the one thing that we don't know is how AD feels about all of this. If he says, "I want to go to LA," then chances are that's where he'll end up. On the other hand, from Davis's point of view, it's now him, LeBron and a much thinner team, not to mention the fact that stars don't see to work well with LeBron, even though I'm sure that James is promising him that it will be his team in a couple of years.
Right now, I think I'm slightly leaning toward LA, because of the whole bird in hand thing, not to mention that they don't want to risk a situation where AD tells them that he wants to go to Tinseltown, scaring off other suitors.
Mike
Lakers offer without Ingram is not Godfather territory. I see the Lakers offering anyone not named Lebron, and maybe create picks through trading Ball, if the Pels don’t want him.
I also see Pels, with Laker offer in hand, calling Celtics and asking hypothetically what they would be willing to offer come July, and specifically whether it would include Tatum in package.
My biggest concern is that agent Paul will do everything possible to steer Davis to L A, and bash Boston in the process. Call me paranoid.
The more I watch our current team the more I’m convinced we need another star like Davis to get to the mountaintop. Maybe I’ll feel differently at the end of the season.
Most likely the Celtics and Pelicans would consumate the deal in July but it would have already been agreed upon before the draft so that the Celtics could draft the players the Pels wanted in this draft. Similar to the Andrew Wiggins and Kevin Love trade that was agreed upon before the draft but wasn't official until the summer.
Wiggins and Love was not agreed upon before the draft. A Love traded wasn't even discussed until Lebron signed with the Cavs as a free agent, long after the draft. And then for awhile, the Cavs refused to include Wiggins in the trade before finally relenting. Your greater point though is sound i.e. you can agree to the trade before the draft and then finalize it after. That happens every year.
I must have been remembering that the trade had been discussed for months before the trade was consumated and agreed upon just after LeBron's signing. Also there was the 30 day delay between when the deal was agreed upon in mid July to consummation in August due to needing to wait 30 days before being able to trade Wiggins after he signed.
You are absolutely wrong that the trade wasn't discussed not only before LeBron signed but before the draft. The trade was probably mostly agreed upon before the draft.
-
I think Ingram does, not sure on Ball. Ingram has actually been as good as Kuzma this year in many respects, for example he is scoring 1.27 pps while Kuzma is down around 1.24 pps.
Ingram ... -4.2 BPM, 0.32 WS/48 ... very poor rebounder for his size, TOV% much higher than AST%, TS% is mediocre for a scorer type, low STL% and BLK% for his size and length, as well.
He generates free throws OK, but hits a low percentage. He doesn't take many threes and is a poor three point shooter.
Ingram has never played well for a good team for any significant stretch. Jaylen has been a valuable contributor to a team that made a deep playoff run. It's a lot easier to see the path to above-average value, let alone star value, for Jaylen than for Ingram.
Ingram is young, it's true, but unlike Jaylen he has a long way to go physically in addition to mental and skill development.
I continue to feel that Ingram is super overrated as a prospect and asset. He's skinny Harrison Barnes, at this point.
-
I think Ingram does, not sure on Ball. Ingram has actually been as good as Kuzma this year in many respects, for example he is scoring 1.27 pps while Kuzma is down around 1.24 pps.
Ingram ... -4.2 BPM, 0.32 WS/48 ... very poor rebounder for his size, TOV% much higher than AST%, TS% is mediocre for a scorer type, low STL% and BLK% for his size and length, as well.
He generates free throws OK, but hits a low percentage. He doesn't take many threes and is a poor three point shooter.
Ingram has never played well for a good team for any significant stretch. Jaylen has been a valuable contributor to a team that made a deep playoff run. It's a lot easier to see the path to above-average value, let alone star value, for Jaylen than for Ingram.
Ingram is young, it's true, but unlike Jaylen he has a long way to go physically in addition to mental and skill development.
I continue to feel that Ingram is super overrated as a prospect and asset. He's skinny Harrison Barnes, at this point.
I was responding to your question about mid-lottery pick value as that is the question you asked in the post I was responding to.
That said, I think Ingram still has a higher ceiling than Brown. However, Brown is much more likely to reach (or at least get close to) his ceiling.
-
We obviously have no way of knowing this, but my opinion would be that most front offices probably view brown as a guy that is in a bad situation and is still an elite prospect. He performed incredibly in the playoffs, has physical tools and that had his role completely change overnight. If I was a gm I would want him if I can take advantage of the Celtics glut of wings that have suppressed Browns value slightly. I’m not really sure anyone is high on lonzo. Hasn’t he generally been outplayed by rondo in the twilight of his career?
-
I was responding to your question about mid-lottery pick value as that is the question you asked in the post I was responding to.
Yeah, I know. My response was speaking to that -- I don't think Ingram is likely to have greater value than a middle-lottery pick (i.e. 5-12) because he's in his third season and still looks far from being a valuable role player, let alone a star.
I don't think Jaylen would be valued higher than a mid-lottery pick, either, but it seems to me that there's more reason to think a team would prefer Jaylen than that they'd want Ingram.
-
I'm as biased as any Celtic fan, but feel Ingram has more trade value than Brown. He is a little younger, has better shot, taller, lankier and probably most are projecting that he will eventually fill out, get stronger, and his upside is a lot higher than Brown. I like Jaylen, but his inconsistency is concerning, and is not doing us any favors as a trade asset, never mind as a member of the Celtics.
-
I'm as biased as any Celtic fan, but feel Ingram has more trade value than Brown. He is a little younger, has better shot, taller, lankier and probably most are projecting that he will eventually fill out, get stronger, and his upside is a lot higher than Brown. I like Jaylen, but his inconsistency is concerning, and is not doing us any favors as a trade asset, never mind as a member of the Celtics.
Neither of these are correct
-
I was responding to your question about mid-lottery pick value as that is the question you asked in the post I was responding to.
Yeah, I know. My response was speaking to that -- I don't think Ingram is likely to have greater value than a middle-lottery pick (i.e. 5-12) because he's in his third season and still looks far from being a valuable role player, let alone a star.
I don't think Jaylen would be valued higher than a mid-lottery pick, either, but it seems to me that there's more reason to think a team would prefer Jaylen than that they'd want Ingram.
He is averaging 16 ppg as a 3rd option on a good team. I'm not sure how that doesn't strike you as a valuable role player. Last year his last 20 games or so, he was playing pretty darn good as well and clearly showed star potential (and the Lakers were actually winning in those games). Ingram has suffered some in trying to fit in with James, a guy that plays his position, is ball dominant, and better than him, but Ingram has started to find his role a bit the last few weeks.
As I said, I think Brown is more likely to hit his ceiling, but Ingram has a higher ceiling.
-
Did Anige compare Trump to Lebron?:
https://mobile.twitter.com/jakeandamir/status/1080903583862685696
-
And what he said was tampering?