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Title: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 15, 2018, 01:25:28 AM
https://youtu.be/xyVQYl75L1g

0:43 his chin is at the rim

 measured at 6'7'' and 285 lbs. he measured at 6'5 1/2'' at USA camp earlier this year. So add 1.5'' for shoes is about right. He just supposedly broke Duke's all-time vert record.
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: blink on July 15, 2018, 02:21:58 AM
https://youtu.be/xyVQYl75L1g

0:43 his chin is at the rim

 measured at 6'7'' and 285 lbs. he measured at 6'5 1/2'' at USA camp earlier this year. So add 1.5'' for shoes is about right. He just supposedly broke Duke's all-time vert record.

wow...dude's head seems to be way above the rim.  impressive.
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: gouki88 on July 15, 2018, 03:52:45 AM
Yikes, that is some ridiculous bounce. If he can keep fit and keep chipping away at his jumper he could be awesome fun
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: KungPoweChicken on July 15, 2018, 04:08:14 AM
Zion has had a tremendous amount of hype the past two years. I suspect he will be a lottery pick. However, I do not see his game translating well at the NBA level.
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: Androslav on July 15, 2018, 07:49:30 AM
Zion has had a tremendous amount of hype the past two years. I suspect he will be a lottery pick. However, I do not see his game translating well at the NBA level.
Echoing this. TP.
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: Monkhouse on July 20, 2018, 10:12:26 AM
Zion has had a tremendous amount of hype the past two years. I suspect he will be a lottery pick. However, I do not see his game translating well at the NBA level.
Echoing this. TP.
Zion has had a tremendous amount of hype the past two years. I suspect he will be a lottery pick. However, I do not see his game translating well at the NBA level.

Same here. He needs to work on 3 things immediately:

Ball handling
Shooting, (since he's left handed, maybe he could get the advantage in throwing off defenders?)
Passing

His passing is actually not that bad, he's smart at kicking out the ball when double teamed, but he seems to only look in one clear direction. Must improve all 3 to even be considered NBA material, since his defense is very lackluster, and relies on chase down/weak side blocks, which is usually indicative of poor defensive awareness.
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: knuckleballer on July 20, 2018, 10:16:41 AM
The best part is we actually have a legimate shot at getting him or another elite prospect... unreal.
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: Monkhouse on July 20, 2018, 10:25:07 AM
The best part is we actually have a legimate shot at getting him or another elite prospect... unreal.

Zion is like the last person I would want, but agreed, Ainge has done an incredible job.
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: JHTruth on July 20, 2018, 10:27:11 AM
Zion has had a tremendous amount of hype the past two years. I suspect he will be a lottery pick. However, I do not see his game translating well at the NBA level.
Echoing this. TP.
Zion has had a tremendous amount of hype the past two years. I suspect he will be a lottery pick. However, I do not see his game translating well at the NBA level.

Same here. He needs to work on 3 things immediately:

Ball handling
Shooting, (since he's left handed, maybe he could get the advantage in throwing off defenders?)
Passing

His passing is actually not that bad, he's smart at kicking out the ball when double teamed, but he seems to only look in one clear direction. Must improve all 3 to even be considered NBA material, since his defense is very lackluster, and relies on chase down/weak side blocks, which is usually indicative of poor defensive awareness.

I'm actually not a big believer in Zion. But that athleticism can't be just written off.

I think he's going to have trouble shining next to Barrett and Reddish however, both whom I feel are superior prospects. He should have gone some place where he could be the lone star.

I think Little at UNC is also going to be a superior prospect and very much a Danny type of guy he likes to draft..
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: slamtheking on July 20, 2018, 11:03:11 AM
been hearing hype about this kid since the Laker pick didn't convey this year. 

is it just me or is anyone else thinking Kedrick Brown 2.0 with perhaps better hops at this point?
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: JHTruth on July 20, 2018, 11:04:56 AM
been hearing hype about this kid since the Laker pick didn't convey this year. 

is it just me or is anyone else thinking Kedrick Brown 2.0 with perhaps better hops at this point?

I don't know if he's that bad lol but he's strong and athletic as all get out. Questions abound about his shooting and what not however..
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: gift on July 20, 2018, 11:05:58 AM
In his current form Zion has a lot of holes. But he's still young and the potential is still there.
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: footey on July 20, 2018, 11:21:42 AM
Need to see him play.
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: GreenShooter on July 20, 2018, 11:24:22 AM
He could've dunked his whole head from that angle. I've seen other videos of him so I wasn't surprised. He got his whole head near the rim in real games but THAT is incredible, especially at his size. When I see stuff like that it reminds of the athleticism of Len Bias when he went about that high to block a shot.
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: Monkhouse on July 20, 2018, 02:39:42 PM
Zion has had a tremendous amount of hype the past two years. I suspect he will be a lottery pick. However, I do not see his game translating well at the NBA level.
Echoing this. TP.
Zion has had a tremendous amount of hype the past two years. I suspect he will be a lottery pick. However, I do not see his game translating well at the NBA level.

Same here. He needs to work on 3 things immediately:

Ball handling
Shooting, (since he's left handed, maybe he could get the advantage in throwing off defenders?)
Passing

His passing is actually not that bad, he's smart at kicking out the ball when double teamed, but he seems to only look in one clear direction. Must improve all 3 to even be considered NBA material, since his defense is very lackluster, and relies on chase down/weak side blocks, which is usually indicative of poor defensive awareness.

I'm actually not a big believer in Zion. But that athleticism can't be just written off.

I think he's going to have trouble shining next to Barrett and Reddish however, both whom I feel are superior prospects. He should have gone some place where he could be the lone star.

I think Little at UNC is also going to be a superior prospect and very much a Danny type of guy he likes to draft..

Yep same here. I already am boarding the hype train for Nasir Little if anyone knows how much I have raved about him in the 2019 NBA draft.

Zion has great vertical, but how much of his game translates other than put back dunks/transition opportunities?
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 20, 2018, 02:54:40 PM
The kid from Wake Forest will be a better basketball player than Zion.
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: Monkhouse on July 20, 2018, 02:59:20 PM
The kid from Wake Forest will be a better basketball player than Zion.

You talking about Jaylen Hoard?

I like him too, same with Bassey. But I'm concerned about his shooting. Still he has great offensive moves, and his 7'1 wingspan/vertical is coveted.

His form mechanics are very inconsistent, there are times where he has a fluid release, and some highlights they just look forced. Hopefully Wake Forest will work well for him. He's a great young prospect. Over time, he'll learn better form, but I would take Little over anyone in the draft, no questions asked. This guy has the full package.

Reddish would also be a nice player.
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: JHTruth on July 20, 2018, 03:38:33 PM
Zion has had a tremendous amount of hype the past two years. I suspect he will be a lottery pick. However, I do not see his game translating well at the NBA level.
Echoing this. TP.
Zion has had a tremendous amount of hype the past two years. I suspect he will be a lottery pick. However, I do not see his game translating well at the NBA level.

Same here. He needs to work on 3 things immediately:

Ball handling
Shooting, (since he's left handed, maybe he could get the advantage in throwing off defenders?)
Passing

His passing is actually not that bad, he's smart at kicking out the ball when double teamed, but he seems to only look in one clear direction. Must improve all 3 to even be considered NBA material, since his defense is very lackluster, and relies on chase down/weak side blocks, which is usually indicative of poor defensive awareness.

I'm actually not a big believer in Zion. But that athleticism can't be just written off.

I think he's going to have trouble shining next to Barrett and Reddish however, both whom I feel are superior prospects. He should have gone some place where he could be the lone star.

I think Little at UNC is also going to be a superior prospect and very much a Danny type of guy he likes to draft..

Yep same here. I already am boarding the hype train for Nasir Little if anyone knows how much I have raved about him in the 2019 NBA draft.

Zion has great vertical, but how much of his game translates other than put back dunks/transition opportunities?

I've really become quite the Little fan. I was watching his MVP performance at the McDonalds game and man does that kid have tools. Motor for days, jumps out of the gym, defensive intensity, 7'2" wingspan, smooth jumper. He made some legit pro moves.

I don't know if I've seen a more Ainge prospect ever..
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: smokeablount on July 20, 2018, 03:43:39 PM
Zion has had a tremendous amount of hype the past two years. I suspect he will be a lottery pick. However, I do not see his game translating well at the NBA level.
Echoing this. TP.
Zion has had a tremendous amount of hype the past two years. I suspect he will be a lottery pick. However, I do not see his game translating well at the NBA level.

Same here. He needs to work on 3 things immediately:

Ball handling
Shooting, (since he's left handed, maybe he could get the advantage in throwing off defenders?)
Passing

His passing is actually not that bad, he's smart at kicking out the ball when double teamed, but he seems to only look in one clear direction. Must improve all 3 to even be considered NBA material, since his defense is very lackluster, and relies on chase down/weak side blocks, which is usually indicative of poor defensive awareness.

I'm actually not a big believer in Zion. But that athleticism can't be just written off.

I think he's going to have trouble shining next to Barrett and Reddish however, both whom I feel are superior prospects. He should have gone some place where he could be the lone star.

I think Little at UNC is also going to be a superior prospect and very much a Danny type of guy he likes to draft..

Yep same here. I already am boarding the hype train for Nasir Little if anyone knows how much I have raved about him in the 2019 NBA draft.

Zion has great vertical, but how much of his game translates other than put back dunks/transition opportunities?

I've really become quite the Little fan. I was watching his MVP performance at the McDonalds game and man does that kid have tools. Motor for days, jumps out of the gym, defensive intensity, 7'2" wingspan, smooth jumper. He made some legit pro moves.

I don't know if I've seen a more Ainge prospect ever..

As of now, looks like Little could be there at #2... And Sacto looks like a bottom 3 team. 
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: JHTruth on July 20, 2018, 03:47:55 PM
Zion has had a tremendous amount of hype the past two years. I suspect he will be a lottery pick. However, I do not see his game translating well at the NBA level.
Echoing this. TP.
Zion has had a tremendous amount of hype the past two years. I suspect he will be a lottery pick. However, I do not see his game translating well at the NBA level.

Same here. He needs to work on 3 things immediately:

Ball handling
Shooting, (since he's left handed, maybe he could get the advantage in throwing off defenders?)
Passing

His passing is actually not that bad, he's smart at kicking out the ball when double teamed, but he seems to only look in one clear direction. Must improve all 3 to even be considered NBA material, since his defense is very lackluster, and relies on chase down/weak side blocks, which is usually indicative of poor defensive awareness.

I'm actually not a big believer in Zion. But that athleticism can't be just written off.

I think he's going to have trouble shining next to Barrett and Reddish however, both whom I feel are superior prospects. He should have gone some place where he could be the lone star.

I think Little at UNC is also going to be a superior prospect and very much a Danny type of guy he likes to draft..

Yep same here. I already am boarding the hype train for Nasir Little if anyone knows how much I have raved about him in the 2019 NBA draft.

Zion has great vertical, but how much of his game translates other than put back dunks/transition opportunities?

I've really become quite the Little fan. I was watching his MVP performance at the McDonalds game and man does that kid have tools. Motor for days, jumps out of the gym, defensive intensity, 7'2" wingspan, smooth jumper. He made some legit pro moves.

I don't know if I've seen a more Ainge prospect ever..

As of now, looks like Little could be there at #2... And Sacto looks like a bottom 3 team.

Droooool...
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 20, 2018, 03:57:32 PM
Little has that sweet, sweet pedigree.
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: smokeablount on July 20, 2018, 04:01:48 PM
Little has that sweet, sweet pedigree.

I mean, yeah... but not like RJ Barrett, Cam Reddish or Zion Williamson...  ;D
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: smokeablount on July 20, 2018, 04:10:01 PM
Zion has had a tremendous amount of hype the past two years. I suspect he will be a lottery pick. However, I do not see his game translating well at the NBA level.
Echoing this. TP.
Zion has had a tremendous amount of hype the past two years. I suspect he will be a lottery pick. However, I do not see his game translating well at the NBA level.

Same here. He needs to work on 3 things immediately:

Ball handling
Shooting, (since he's left handed, maybe he could get the advantage in throwing off defenders?)
Passing

His passing is actually not that bad, he's smart at kicking out the ball when double teamed, but he seems to only look in one clear direction. Must improve all 3 to even be considered NBA material, since his defense is very lackluster, and relies on chase down/weak side blocks, which is usually indicative of poor defensive awareness.

I'm actually not a big believer in Zion. But that athleticism can't be just written off.

I think he's going to have trouble shining next to Barrett and Reddish however, both whom I feel are superior prospects. He should have gone some place where he could be the lone star.

I think Little at UNC is also going to be a superior prospect and very much a Danny type of guy he likes to draft..

Yep same here. I already am boarding the hype train for Nasir Little if anyone knows how much I have raved about him in the 2019 NBA draft.

Zion has great vertical, but how much of his game translates other than put back dunks/transition opportunities?

I've really become quite the Little fan. I was watching his MVP performance at the McDonalds game and man does that kid have tools. Motor for days, jumps out of the gym, defensive intensity, 7'2" wingspan, smooth jumper. He made some legit pro moves.

I don't know if I've seen a more Ainge prospect ever..

As of now, looks like Little could be there at #2... And Sacto looks like a bottom 3 team.

Droooool...

My previous Tankathon screen was left open and reloaded:

#3 - SF - Nassir Little
#11 - C - Daniel Gafford
#28 - PG - Shamorie Ponds

Sounds great to me!  The last one was Reddish, Bol and Ponds, and that seems dandy too!
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: JHTruth on July 20, 2018, 04:11:27 PM
Zion has had a tremendous amount of hype the past two years. I suspect he will be a lottery pick. However, I do not see his game translating well at the NBA level.
Echoing this. TP.
Zion has had a tremendous amount of hype the past two years. I suspect he will be a lottery pick. However, I do not see his game translating well at the NBA level.

Same here. He needs to work on 3 things immediately:

Ball handling
Shooting, (since he's left handed, maybe he could get the advantage in throwing off defenders?)
Passing

His passing is actually not that bad, he's smart at kicking out the ball when double teamed, but he seems to only look in one clear direction. Must improve all 3 to even be considered NBA material, since his defense is very lackluster, and relies on chase down/weak side blocks, which is usually indicative of poor defensive awareness.

I'm actually not a big believer in Zion. But that athleticism can't be just written off.

I think he's going to have trouble shining next to Barrett and Reddish however, both whom I feel are superior prospects. He should have gone some place where he could be the lone star.

I think Little at UNC is also going to be a superior prospect and very much a Danny type of guy he likes to draft..

Yep same here. I already am boarding the hype train for Nasir Little if anyone knows how much I have raved about him in the 2019 NBA draft.

Zion has great vertical, but how much of his game translates other than put back dunks/transition opportunities?

I've really become quite the Little fan. I was watching his MVP performance at the McDonalds game and man does that kid have tools. Motor for days, jumps out of the gym, defensive intensity, 7'2" wingspan, smooth jumper. He made some legit pro moves.

I don't know if I've seen a more Ainge prospect ever..

As of now, looks like Little could be there at #2... And Sacto looks like a bottom 3 team.

Droooool...

My previous Tankathon screen was left open and reloaded:

#3 - SF - Nassir Little
#11 - C - Daniel Gafford
#28 - PG - Shamorie Ponds

Sounds great to me!  The last one was Reddish, Bol and Ponds, and that seems dandy too!

Man I'll take that draft all day! I think if Little looks to go 2 and we're 3 or 4, I would make a deal.
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 20, 2018, 05:08:24 PM
Little has that sweet, sweet pedigree.

I mean, yeah... but not like RJ Barrett, Cam Reddish or Zion Williamson...  ;D

True true  :P
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: CFAN38 on July 30, 2018, 11:54:24 AM
I can not think of a more interesting college freshman in my years as a fan (im 35) then Zion. He has a totally unique athletic profile and I really do not know how he will fit into the college game.

As for a pro prospect I really think it comes down to Zion's mentality. If he is willing to play as a role player first and focus on his D and rebounding and then develop his offense he could be special.

I love the BS test of could this player play in the finals/playoffs. Looking in the western conference arguably the best defensive player is D Green at 6'7 240. The Rockets played stretches of games with 6'5 240lb (my guess at weight) PJ Tucker playing center. I do not think its a stretch to play a motivated 6'7 265lb Zion at Center in a playoff series and have him excel in the role.
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: Diggles on July 30, 2018, 12:19:25 PM
IF that Sac pic lands #2 and he is on the board..... WATCH OUT!   

Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: Androslav on July 30, 2018, 12:21:19 PM
Josh Smith 2.0?
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 30, 2018, 12:26:24 PM
He can't shoot.  You can be 5'4" and 110 lbs and succeed in the modern NBA.  But you gotta be able to shoot.
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: ETNCeltics on July 30, 2018, 12:58:14 PM
I don't think there's any way Danny would take him unless he proves he can hit the 3 this coming season. A stretch 4 who can't stretch. You can't spend a top 5 pick on a guy unless you think he's more than a role player. Maybe he's the 2nd coming of Barkley, but I don't see a lot there.
Title: Re: Zion Williamson breaks Duke all-time vertical
Post by: Sophomore on July 30, 2018, 02:31:52 PM
Going to be interesting to see what he does this year. Read a report the other day he was cutting some weight. 6’7” 250 seems like it would be plenty and at that weight how explosive would he be?

Based on skills and other measurables I’m currently more interested in the wings - Reddish, Little, Barrett - but obviously it’s way too early. Come on Sacramento!
Title: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: KG Living Legend on November 07, 2018, 02:32:48 AM

 My official cross sport Comp for Zion because there is no NBA Comp for a 285 pound monster with a 45" vertical. My comparison is Bo Jackson. The greatest athlete I've ever seen.

 Zion is a next level athlete, can't believe how fast he moves and how quick he is off his feet and laterally, the NBA has never seen anything like this guy before, it doesn't mean he's the greatest player yet it just means we've never seen anything like him before.
 
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: gouki88 on November 07, 2018, 03:19:19 AM
Wilt if he missed a growth spurt or two ;)

I'm kidding, but man is his athleticism just insane. Someone jokingly said I liked him because he can dunk nice. I like him because he's one of the best basketball athletes I've been alive to see. Excellent ability to get to the rim, good handle, solid passer, and has displayed an improved ability to shoot from both the FT line and from deep.
I'm praying Sacramento crumble so we can nab him. Kyrie to Zion in the PnR would be crazy.

Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: knuckleballer on November 07, 2018, 03:29:39 AM
I'll go with the common comparison: Charles Barkley.

It's easy to forget how athletic he was when he was young.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TKmpQyo9muU#fauxfullscreen

He wasn't as muscular and athletic as Zion, but that's generally true for most players from the different eras.  He was a dominant power forward despite only being 6'5" because of his strength, bulk, speed, and jumping ability like Zion.

It was nice to see Zion make his only 3 point attempt.  Here's Zion's highlights from last night's game.  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r_uqYRwjEc8

Looks a lot like Barkley's early career highlights.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: Androslav on November 07, 2018, 03:37:48 AM
Barkley/LeBron/Malone

Small ball 5 if he can defend well enough.

Length says that it is a challenge.
His physical profile says take a chance on me.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: knuckleballer on November 07, 2018, 03:39:45 AM
Wilt if he missed a growth spurt or two ;)

I'm kidding, but man is his athleticism just insane. Someone jokingly said I liked him because he can dunk nice. I like him because he's one of the best basketball athletes I've been alive to see. Excellent ability to get to the rim, good handle, solid passer, and has displayed an improved ability to shoot from both the FT line and from deep.
I'm praying Sacramento crumble so we can nab him. Kyrie to Zion in the PnR would be crazy.

The Kings will crumble and there are a few wings and guards that could go before Zion including two of his Duke teammates.  We need a big though. If we add him and keep Yab and Semi, we'd have a lot of muscle.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: gouki88 on November 07, 2018, 04:20:43 AM
Wilt if he missed a growth spurt or two ;)

I'm kidding, but man is his athleticism just insane. Someone jokingly said I liked him because he can dunk nice. I like him because he's one of the best basketball athletes I've been alive to see. Excellent ability to get to the rim, good handle, solid passer, and has displayed an improved ability to shoot from both the FT line and from deep.
I'm praying Sacramento crumble so we can nab him. Kyrie to Zion in the PnR would be crazy.

The Kings will crumble and there are a few wings and guards that could go before Zion including two of his Duke teammates.  We need a big though. If we add him and keep Yab and Semi, we'd have a lot of muscle.
Yeah, no doubt. I reckon Zion could fall, but if he doesn't I'm pretty confident one of Little / Reddish / Barrett / Bol will be available. Even guys like Doumbouya and Naz Reid really intrigue me. Assuming the Kings do crumble, we will be spoilt yet again
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on November 07, 2018, 05:30:17 AM
I just watched his highlights from last night and... wow. His athleticism is insane. Jump shot is ugly but it works for him (just not sure how he gets it off against NBA defenders), but man, if people think Giannis or Simmons are athletic, this guy is LeBron athletic. Don’t know if he will have the brain or desire to become great, but he’s certainly got the tools.

He looked like a college kid playing against 8th graders... and this was Kentucky!

Duke is scary. Yikes.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: apc on November 07, 2018, 05:39:53 AM
Zion train is coming our way ( Bob Marley)
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: JBcat on November 07, 2018, 08:21:05 AM
I'll go with the common comparison: Charles Barkley.

It's easy to forget how athletic he was when he was young.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TKmpQyo9muU#fauxfullscreen

He wasn't as muscular and athletic as Zion, but that's generally true for most players from the different eras.  He was a dominant power forward despite only being 6'5" because of his strength, bulk, speed, and jumping ability like Zion.

It was nice to see Zion make his only 3 point attempt.  Here's Zion's highlights from last night's game.  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r_uqYRwjEc8

Looks a lot like Barkley's early career highlights.

Who knows if he will ever be as great as Barkley, and you are right people forget how athletic he was young in his career.  However, I think he already has about 20 pounds over young Charles, and it seems all muscle and he has very nimble feet, great first step, very fast, and very mobile to go along with that crazy vertical. 
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: KG Living Legend on November 07, 2018, 12:22:23 PM
I'll go with the common comparison: Charles Barkley.

It's easy to forget how athletic he was when he was young.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TKmpQyo9muU#fauxfullscreen

He wasn't as muscular and athletic as Zion, but that's generally true for most players from the different eras.  He was a dominant power forward despite only being 6'5" because of his strength, bulk, speed, and jumping ability like Zion.

It was nice to see Zion make his only 3 point attempt.  Here's Zion's highlights from last night's game.  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r_uqYRwjEc8

Looks a lot like Barkley's early career highlights.

Who knows if he will ever be as great as Barkley, and you are right people forget how athletic he was young in his career.  However, I think he already has about 20 pounds over young Charles, and it seems all muscle and he has very nimble feet, great first step, very fast, and very mobile to go along with that crazy vertical.



 Barkley is a solid comp, but there is no Comp. Zion weighs 33 pounds more than Barkley and he just played his first college game.

 Zions challenge will be to stay under 300 lb because we don't want to see that big guy hurt his knee.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 07, 2018, 12:23:55 PM
Just to let you know, we already have a zion thread.

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=97284.0

mods, maybe merge these two threads?
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: wiley on November 07, 2018, 12:35:19 PM
if he has a great college season he'll be picked ahead of Barrett most likely   :'(

Luckily with our #2 pick we'd be "stuck with" Barrett. 

Or with our #3 or #4 pick we'd be stuck with Little or Reddish. 

But Zion fits positionally and I want him!! 
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: JBcat on November 07, 2018, 12:41:59 PM
if he has a great college season he'll be picked ahead of Barrett most likely   :'(

Luckily with our #2 pick we'd be "stuck with" Barrett. 

Or with our #3 or #4 pick we'd be stuck with Little or Reddish. 

But Zion fits positionally and I want him!!

Trade all our picks to move up and get him. Lol
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on January 08, 2019, 11:00:24 AM
Larry Johnson/Barkley/Randle clone

Has a body/wingspan closer to randle, but explosiveness/aggressiveness like Barkley (early days)

Not sure if he will be a SF or PF at the nba
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: footey on January 08, 2019, 11:18:43 AM
I agree, Triboy, with the Barkley comparison.  People need to realize how incredibly athletic Barkley was in his 76er days. 
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on January 08, 2019, 11:21:08 AM
I agree, Triboy, with the Barkley comparison.  People need to realize how incredibly athletic Barkley was in his 76er days.

yes~~

watch this highlight package of Barkley...ferocious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu3vkwP3GHQ
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: Androslav on January 16, 2019, 03:00:43 AM
Can somebody tell me why is Zion a lock to succeed in the league?
And, for example, why he won't be just another athletic lefty a la Josh Smith?
I know that people like to watch highlights, but putting aside good looking dunks, what is his position and his NBA skills?

I'm don't dislike Zion or such, just looking for some good talk.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on January 16, 2019, 03:09:16 AM
Can somebody tell me why is Zion a lock to succeed in the league?
And, for example, why he won't be just another athletic lefty a la Josh Smith?
I know that people like to watch highlights, but putting aside good looking dunks, what is his position and his NBA skills?

I'm don't dislike Zion or such, just looking for some good talk.
zions a bit more of a freight truck than josh smith
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: Androslav on January 16, 2019, 03:10:44 AM
Can somebody tell me why is Zion a lock to succeed in the league?
And, for example, why he won't be just another athletic lefty a la Josh Smith?
I know that people like to watch highlights, but putting aside good looking dunks, what is his position and his NBA skills?

I'm don't dislike Zion or such, just looking for some good talk.
well josh smith was an all star with a fairly lengthy career right?
Sure, he made a lot of money, but I have a feeling that people expect more from Zion than what Josh was.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on January 16, 2019, 03:15:46 AM
Can somebody tell me why is Zion a lock to succeed in the league?
And, for example, why he won't be just another athletic lefty a la Josh Smith?
I know that people like to watch highlights, but putting aside good looking dunks, what is his position and his NBA skills?

I'm don't dislike Zion or such, just looking for some good talk.
well josh smith was an all star with a fairly lengthy career right?
Sure, he made a lot of money, but I have a feeling that people expect more from Zion than what Josh was.
I also believe Zion could  be overhyped. Its a possibility

But I think he probably will chisel out a Barkley/mini shaq type of play style. Will be interesting to see how that kind of player succeeds in the modern 3pt loving era of the NBA
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: Androslav on January 16, 2019, 03:23:03 AM
Can somebody tell me why is Zion a lock to succeed in the league?
And, for example, why he won't be just another athletic lefty a la Josh Smith?
I know that people like to watch highlights, but putting aside good looking dunks, what is his position and his NBA skills?

I'm don't dislike Zion or such, just looking for some good talk.
well josh smith was an all star with a fairly lengthy career right?
Sure, he made a lot of money, but I have a feeling that people expect more from Zion than what Josh was.
I also believe Zion could  be overhyped. Its a possibility

But I think he probably will chisel out a Barkley/mini shaq type of play style. Will be interesting to see how that kind of player succeeds in the modern 3pt loving era of the NBA
Yes, a power player big seems his most natural projection.
But then again, his 6'10 wingspan is modest, to say the least for an NBA big.
JB is 7'2, Kawhi is 7'3, Kyle Anderson 7'5, KD and Giannis also.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: petbrick on January 16, 2019, 05:17:11 AM
Can somebody tell me why is Zion a lock to succeed in the league?
And, for example, why he won't be just another athletic lefty a la Josh Smith?
I know that people like to watch highlights, but putting aside good looking dunks, what is his position and his NBA skills?

I'm don't dislike Zion or such, just looking for some good talk.
well josh smith was an all star with a fairly lengthy career right?
Sure, he made a lot of money, but I have a feeling that people expect more from Zion than what Josh was.
I also believe Zion could  be overhyped. Its a possibility

But I think he probably will chisel out a Barkley/mini shaq type of play style. Will be interesting to see how that kind of player succeeds in the modern 3pt loving era of the NBA

Early Charles Barkley was an absolute joy to watch, and would have been a joy to watch in today's NBA.  Like a better Draymond Green. Williamson seems to be overhyped as far as his production, but this is hardly the first time a high level basketball player looks like basketball Jesus as they look to enter into the NBA.

I just hope he winds up on a team I can root for, because he's immensely fun to watch :)
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: moiso on January 16, 2019, 05:20:50 AM
Josh Smith could have been great if he had a better brain.  I see far more Smith in Zion than the mini Shaq comparisons.  Williamson is a perimeter player who is a great finisher at the rim.  I really don't like any of the center comparisons for Williamson.


I'm not sure why so many people on this blog are taking a guy with prime Tony Allen athleticism and projecting him as a center.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: knuckleballer on January 16, 2019, 05:54:48 AM
I agree, Triboy, with the Barkley comparison.  People need to realize how incredibly athletic Barkley was in his 76er days.

I agree with this too.  I think people think of a late career Barkley or the fat guy in the TNT studio.  When he was young, he was a powerful, athletic beast.  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mu3vkwP3GHQ

He wasn't as heavy or strong as Zion, but for his era, he was similar.  Guys in general are more muscular and athletic now.

One thing about Zion that doesn't get mentioned enough is how soft his touch around the rim is and how accurate he is. 

Too bad he will be out of the Celtics' reach.  I would love to get him.

Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: gouki88 on February 20, 2019, 09:08:11 PM
Zion just literally exploded through his shoe and seemed to hurt his opposite ankle as a result. He got himself off-court, so seemingly not too serious, but dang. Never seen someone blow through their own shoe.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 20, 2019, 09:30:15 PM
Zion just literally exploded through his shoe and seemed to hurt his opposite ankle as a result. He got himself off-court, so seemingly not too serious, but dang. Never seen someone blow through their own shoe.

I have, but it was a MUCH cheaper and older shoe haha. Between the ball-denting, the charge that lifted a 7-footer off the ground, and this, he really is the new Bo Jackson. Hope he's ok.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: gouki88 on February 20, 2019, 09:41:59 PM
Zion just literally exploded through his shoe and seemed to hurt his opposite ankle as a result. He got himself off-court, so seemingly not too serious, but dang. Never seen someone blow through their own shoe.

I have, but it was a MUCH cheaper and older shoe haha. Between the ball-denting, the charge that lifted a 7-footer off the ground, and this, he really is the new Bo Jackson. Hope he's ok.
Yeah, he really is a freakish specimen. Hope it's nothing more than a sprain!
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: libermaniac on February 20, 2019, 09:58:38 PM
Zion just literally exploded through his shoe and seemed to hurt his opposite ankle as a result. He got himself off-court, so seemingly not too serious, but dang. Never seen someone blow through their own shoe.
I can't tell what brand of shoe he was wearing.  Can't be good for their brand. 
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: KG Living Legend on February 20, 2019, 09:59:00 PM

 Not a good look for Nike. He's should try Reebok.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 20, 2019, 10:00:14 PM
Zion just literally exploded through his shoe and seemed to hurt his opposite ankle as a result. He got himself off-court, so seemingly not too serious, but dang. Never seen someone blow through their own shoe.

I have, but it was a MUCH cheaper and older shoe haha. Between the ball-denting, the charge that lifted a 7-footer off the ground, and this, he really is the new Bo Jackson. Hope he's ok.
Yeah, he really is a freakish specimen. Hope it's nothing more than a sprain!

Me too, but even if it's not I hope he refuses to play until he's paid appropriately to do it. Absurd to have to take risks like that so you can promote somebody else's shoe deal.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: knuckleballer on February 20, 2019, 10:04:44 PM

 Not a good look for Nike. He's should try Reebok.

Reebok should spend a fortune to sign him and use him to rip Nike in commercials over this.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: footey on February 20, 2019, 10:26:24 PM

 Not a good look for Nike. He's should try Reebok.

Reebok should spend a fortune to sign him and use him to rip Nike in commercials over this.

$200 garbage footwear.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: Chris22 on February 20, 2019, 11:02:31 PM
There is a lot of money being bet on this game.

It would not be too hard to sabotage a shoe.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: ozgod on February 20, 2019, 11:33:44 PM
Knee sprain apparently. Not too serious but he'd do well to make sure it's totally right before he risks himself and his future.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: maklin on February 21, 2019, 01:23:30 AM
so far, Zions opponents were skinny highschool Kids... he'll be up against serious athletes in the nba. lets see how that works out.
and as I said in another thread... his knees will be screwed if he stays that heavy.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on February 21, 2019, 01:35:48 AM
so far, Zions opponents were skinny highschool Kids... he'll be up against serious athletes in the nba. lets see how that works out.
and as I said in another thread... his knees will be screwed if he stays that heavy.

He’s not fat, so he has plenty of muscle to support his knees.

I’m always more concerned with guys like Porzingis who are frail.


Nike’s marketing is pretty incredible, they could create his own line and use this as a campaign for him.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: gouki88 on February 21, 2019, 01:51:51 AM
so far, Zions opponents were skinny highschool Kids... he'll be up against serious athletes in the nba. lets see how that works out.
and as I said in another thread... his knees will be screwed if he stays that heavy.
Besides all the future NBA players he plays against in college?
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: makaveli on February 21, 2019, 02:12:35 AM
I remember the same thing happend to arron gordon, durring the dunk contest i think, or was it a game.
It didn’t look serious fpr zion
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 21, 2019, 08:46:06 AM
so far, Zions opponents were skinny highschool Kids... he'll be up against serious athletes in the nba. lets see how that works out.
and as I said in another thread... his knees will be screwed if he stays that heavy.

He’s not fat, so he has plenty of muscle to support his knees.

I’m always more concerned with guys like Porzingis who are frail.


Nike’s marketing is pretty incredible, they could create his own line and use this as a campaign for him.

Zion reminds me and like a billion other people of Bo Jackson, and the thing about Bo was his body was so strong and athletic it could exert incredible amounts of force, and when he got tangled up in an awkward way, it exerted that force against itself and destroyed his hip.  I see Zion as similar - basketball doesn't have the same physical risks as football, but he's going to be prone to some gnarly injuries. Hope it doesn't happen though, really like the kid. But his trainers/people should consider it and so should he.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: footey on February 21, 2019, 09:05:35 AM
so far, Zions opponents were skinny highschool Kids... he'll be up against serious athletes in the nba. lets see how that works out.
and as I said in another thread... his knees will be screwed if he stays that heavy.

He’s not fat, so he has plenty of muscle to support his knees.

I’m always more concerned with guys like Porzingis who are frail.


Nike’s marketing is pretty incredible, they could create his own line and use this as a campaign for him.

Maybe they should spend less on their “pretty incredible” marketing and more on their r and d. They are taking a major hit for this on social and print media. Washington Post came out with article within moments of the incident.
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: mef730 on February 21, 2019, 09:17:20 AM
Nike has a market cap of $133 billion dollars. Pre-market, the stock is indicating that it is going to open about 1.5% lower.

Think about that: Zion already has so much influence that, when his shoe ripped, he knocked $2 billion out of the value of a company.

Mike
Title: Re: The Zion Williamson Thread
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 21, 2019, 09:45:21 AM
I sincerely hope that’s the last time Zion suits up for Duke. Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. the NCAA.