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Other Discussions => Off Topic => Topic started by: jpotter33 on July 18, 2018, 09:24:11 PM
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So, my wife and I have been really struggling with our neighbor situation lately. We live in a decent area and a nicer neighborhood; however, the house next to ours is extremely problematic. Rather than take you through the entire backstory of the last year (which is a complete sh**show), I'll just quickly list some of the issues that we're dealing with:
- It's a known drug house (low-level stuff like weed), and several of them have had recent drug charges, including in the past week;
- They're now considered a "nuisance property" per our city's Criminal Activity Nuisance Ordinances (CANO), and the landlord will now be charged each time the police have to come to the property, which is a lot;
- In the last two years, they have a rap sheet of (literally) over 30 pages worth of instances where police and/or EMS have had to report to their house for complaints or emergency calls;
- They lack any type of social awareness or common courtesy, as they regularly play basketball in the street bouncing balls off of parked cars, running in other people's yards, yelling and screaming outside in the middle of the night, etc.;
- They CONSTANTLY fight and curse at each other outside or have music blaring to the point of the police being called, and on at least three occasions one or more of them have been arrested for disorderly conduct;
- On several occasions we've watched the daughter punch her boyfriend outside, along with the boyfriend threatening the other neighbors, and once one of their arguments spilled over into our yard with the daughter trying to come into our house out of fear of her boyfriend;
- This weekend my car was struck as one of them was fighting with his girlfriend, who sped off and struck my car parked on the side of the street at 4 am in the morning.
And this is only the half of it with many other things happening the year before we moved here. The local councilwoman and police department are actively trying to get these people evicted; however, the landlord is an older lady who has the rent paid to a living trust with an associated lawyer that we cannot locate. So we're kind of stuck at the moment with no recourse for eviction.
But this is all beside the main point of this post - the care of their two children, a two year old boy and a seventh month old boy. The main issue that gives us concern is the fact that they let their two year old boy run around naked outside virtually everyday, regardless of the temperatures, and this is in a suburb with at least fifty houses on our street on a fairly busy street. We've seen him outside naked in both July in 100 degrees weather and November in 30 degrees weather.
Beyond the whole issue of modesty and the appropriateness of a toddler running around outside naked, we've only seen the kid in diapers a couple of times, and we highly suspect that they simply don't put diapers on him, let alone the actual baby, which is probably due to none of them having a job (and they openly brag about this).
In addition to this, their house is in terrible condition, and my wife, who once took them some of our old baby clothes, says that the inside is even worse and extremely filthy.
So we really don't know what to do here. Obviously, we find it very strange that anyone would let their toddler run around naked outside in full view of probably hundreds of people, but we're a bit unsure if the other issues that we've experienced with them are clouding our judgment. We're seriously considering calling CPS on them, as I seriously question whether that is a safe environment for those kids given all of these issues with substandard care, drug use, violence, and potentially inappropriate parenting decisions.
What does everyone else think; what would you do in this situation? Also, any general advice for dealing with this issue would be appreciated. I'm finishing out the second year of my postdoctoral fellowship with anywhere from 4 to 9 months before moving and taking a more permanent job, so we're simply trying to "tough it out" rather than going through the hassle of moving once again. So any practical recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
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If you have an HOA or equivalent id suggest contacting them. With police its tricky. You need to call them for a specific offense and then theyll probably just deny it or say they will keep the noise down and then the cops just file a report. HoA is your best bet. Thats really the point of it... to hold nuissance neighbors accountable for their house and actions.
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I'm more concerned about the domestic violence you've witnessed than the naked children (at least in July; November is a different story).
I have a very low opinion of CPS in general, and with all the police involvement they should have already been called. At the same time, as far as children are involved, it's better to be safe than sorry. If you're worried about the kids, forget about all of the other stuff, and make a call. Whatever the hassle that comes from it, it's a lot better than the alternative: not making a call, and then having something happen that perhaps could have been prevented.
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If you have an HOA or equivalent id suggest contacting them. With police its tricky. You need to call them for a specific offense and then theyll probably just deny it or will keep the noise down. HoA is your best bet. Thats really the point of it... to hold nuissance neighbors accountable for their house and actions.
He's talking about Child Protective Services / Department of Health and Human Services. They're the proper agency to call in circumstances like this.
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I find it very surprising that there could be so many police calls to that house without a child welfare having been notified already. In other words, I expect they’re already on the radar, but if you have concerns, you should call (although a 2-year old demanding to go outside without clothes regardless of weather is not something that would trigger my child neglect radar, having a such a 2-year-old myself.)
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Yes. A 2-year old shouldn't be running alone and naked outside. As Salt pointed out, kids are kids, so once in a while is probably normal. Constantly, though, seems to be neglectful. The lack of diapers is a particular issue.
You're clearly concerned that the children are in danger. This is NOT a case of being a nosy neighbor. It's calling in the professionals, so to speak, to assess the situation.
Mike
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I find it very surprising that there could be so many police calls to that house without a child welfare having been notified already. In other words, I expect they’re already on the radar, but if you have concerns, you should call (although a 2-year old demanding to go outside without clothes regardless of weather is not something that would trigger my child neglect radar, having a such a 2-year-old myself.)
If your kid is anything like mine, you may be in for at least another 2-3 years of "naked time."
Mike
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Yeah i agree with Roy that you should call the cops for vandalism and violence. Im just thinking it wont help your overall situation too much.
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I find it very surprising that there could be so many police calls to that house without a child welfare having been notified already. In other words, I expect they’re already on the radar, but if you have concerns, you should call (although a 2-year old demanding to go outside without clothes regardless of weather is not something that would trigger my child neglect radar, having a such a 2-year-old myself.)
Yes. A 2-year old shouldn't be running alone and naked outside. As Salt pointed out, kids are kids, so once in a while is probably normal. Constantly, though, seems to be neglectful. The lack of diapers is a particular issue.
You're clearly concerned that the children are in danger. This is NOT a case of being a nosy neighbor. It's calling in the professionals, so to speak, to assess the situation.
Mike
Yeah, it's certainly not simply an occasional thing. Since it's been warmer out, it's virtually everyday that he's outside running around naked, and it's for hours at a time. Tonight he was out there at 7 pm with the rest of them, and they're literally still outside right now.
And I can somewhat sympathize, as I have a three year old boy and a six month old boy. Sometimes after baths they just want to run around naked - in the house.
I don't know. Perhaps I'm a prude, but I just find it appalling that people would let their toddler run around naked... outside... in a front yard... right next to a busy street with no shame. And honestly, I am personally uncomfortable looking out my window and seeing a little naked boy running around, and I don't want my kids to have to see that or think that's normal either. And that's not even considering what is going on in the house, especially with the baby!
I don't know. I think it's definitely something reasonable, but from a selfish perspective I also have concerns. My wife and kids stay at home during the day while I'm at work, and I have serious concerns about them being home alone all day if they find out that we called CPS, especially with their history with violence and questionable decision-making.
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Why hasn't the landlord started the process on an eviction?
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I'm more concerned about the domestic violence you've witnessed than the naked children (at least in July; November is a different story).
I have a very low opinion of CPS in general, and with all the police involvement they should have already been called. At the same time, as far as children are involved, it's better to be safe than sorry. If you're worried about the kids, forget about all of the other stuff, and make a call. Whatever the hassle that comes from it, it's a lot better than the alternative: not making a call, and then having something happen that perhaps could have been prevented.
Perhaps it's a bit sexist, but I'm less inclined to call in this situation than if it was the boyfriend hitting the girlfriend, though looking back I wish I did.
As for the hassle, I'm more worried about any trouble that it might cause for us, especially for my wife and young kids who are home during the day. The boyfriend has already threatened the other neighbor and been arrested in the past week for disorderly conduct for throwing bricks at a car, all in addition to threatening to "torch granny's house" - an older couple across the street who have been at the forefront of trying to get them evicted. I have substantial concerns what they would do if they found out we called CPS.
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My wife and kids stay at home during the day while I'm at work, and I have serious concerns about them being home alone all day if they find out that we called CPS, especially with their history with violence and questionable decision-making.
In general (this is in Maine) they'll only find out who called if the case goes to court, mostly likely with the kids taken into custody. You can try a completely anonymous tip, but if you provide sufficient detail, your neighbors may be able to guess who it was; if you don't, CPS may not have enough info to start a case.
But, this last part gets to the rub of it: if you think the kids are genuinely in danger / at risk, how important is protecting them from harm to you? You can always make it somebody else's problem, and frankly, it seems like there's a great argument there. The people who should be handling this stuff aren't. But, does that absolve you of moral responsibility? I think the answer to that goes back to the question of low legitimate the danger to the kids. If you genuinely think this could be driven by your animosity about all their other issues, then walking away is okay. If you have a genuine concern, though, do something to protect them. Having injured kids on your conscience isn't something you want to live with.
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I would make the call without much hesitation. Sounds like pretty clear neglect, but even if that is in question for you -- you know the situation better than we can -- kids growing up in an environment of substance abuse and violence are set up for a tough life. I have a similar opinion of CPS as Roy, and it's unfortunately possible that the kids could end up a similarly bad or even worse environment in the future. But as salt said, it's better to play it safe and at least get the situation on someone's radar, if it's not already. Sounds like it's stressful situation for you and your wife -- by making the call, hopefully you'll find some peace of mind as well. I imagine the situation hits home even harder with two little ones of your own at home.
On a less serious note, it also sounds like you, salt, and mef are raising streakers and/or future Chippendales. :)
Edit: I just saw this after I submitted my post--
As for the hassle, I'm more worried about any trouble that it might cause for us, especially for my wife and young kids who are home during the day. The boyfriend has already threatened the other neighbor and been arrested in the past week for disorderly conduct for throwing bricks at a car, all in addition to threatening to "torch granny's house" - an older couple across the street who have been at the forefront of trying to get them evicted. I have substantial concerns what they would do if they found out we called CPS.
It does sound like a difficult call. Hope the situation gets better regardless of the decision you make.
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Why hasn't the landlord started the process on an eviction?
Honestly, I don't think that they're aware of the situation and/or are too old or incapacitated to do anything about it.
My guess is that they don't know about these issues yet, as they were only recently deemed a nuisance property. And given that they have a living trust set up to deal with the finances with the house, she's probably not actively involved with anything regarding the property.
For context, from what we've gathered thus far she's a lady in her mid-70's who is widowed, had a daughter die several years back, and only has a son remaining, though he has a mild cognitive deficit and lives with his mother.
She doesn't seem to have an appointed guardian, which is questionable in itself, but she had someone setup the living trust for her that we can't seem to locate and contact about these issues.
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If their behavior is constantly out in the street in plain view, they aren't likely to know who called CPS -- since it could be just about anyone from the neighborhood or even driving by. That is, unless you've threatened to call CPS or some other indication.
I doubt the children are being well taken care of, but it does come down to some level of judgement on your part vs online speculation. The child being naked outside at weird hours does fit in with the idea of irresponsible parents, but, being personally offended by the sight of it is more an HOA or neighborly level problem than CPS. Is he/she actually running in the street? Malnourished? Injured? Abused? Part of the difficult in these cases is that crappy (but not outright abusive) parents are still preferred over separation.
IMO if you're more concerned than offended, call. The only scenario in which they know it was you involves serious abuse that you *should* risk identifying yourself over. If they're just really obnoxious neighbors then unfortunately it probably needs to take care of itself via evictions/ criminal convictions etc. If they're paying the rent with drug money, it's probably only a matter of time before they get busted and are gone.
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If their behavior is constantly out in the street in plain view, they aren't likely to know who called CPS -- since it could be just about anyone from the neighborhood or even driving by. That is, unless you've threatened to call CPS or some other indication.
I doubt the children are being well taken care of, but it does come down to some level of judgement on your part vs online speculation. The child being naked outside at weird hours does fit in with the idea of irresponsible parents, but, being personally offended by the sight of it is more an HOA or neighborly level problem than CPS. Is he/she actually running in the street? Malnourished? Injured? Abused? Part of the difficulty in these cases is that crappy (but not outright abusive) parents are still preferred over separation. I think you do need to separate the "kids shouldn't be nude in the front yard" issue from a safety one, even if the former is a perfectly valid opinion.
IMO if you're more concerned than offended, call. The only scenario in which they know it was you involves serious abuse that you *should* risk identifying yourself over. If they're just really obnoxious neighbors then unfortunately it probably needs to take care of itself via evictions/ criminal convictions etc. If they're paying the rent with drug money, it's probably only a matter of time before they get busted and are gone.
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Another possibility, although perhaps a remote one: you can call a local reporter and see if they’d do anarticle. It seems to hit on a lot of human interest elements. It’s probably a dead end — it depends on the political environment— but they would keep your name out of it, and press attention usually results in action.
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If it's only about the children's safety and not partially because they are a nuisance to you, then call. Calling CPS should be the last resort because a lot of the times children face worse in the system when they are taken from their families. It's always a tough call but I say do it if you are really worried about their safety (not for them running around naked in the heat).
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Yeah, I mean, that's the thing I'm struggling with - it really is borderline whether this is an actual CPS issue, or just a police/continued eviction efforts issue.
They're clearly bad parents and just all around not good people, and I think the vast majority of people would feel uncomfortable with their behavior and decisions. Further, I think most people would find these concerns reasonable given the various issues and observations at play, including the incessant nakedness of the kids, the terrible condition of their home, their history of violence and drug use, etc.
But I haven't actually "witnessed" any actual abuse or neglect; it could just be that they're ignorant of how bad all of this looks from the outside. And even the stuff that is suspected isn't necessarily actively harming the kids, such as physical or sexual abuse or neglect to the point of imminent harm. While that's a fairly charitable interpretation of the situation, I don't know if I feel strongly enough about these concerns to risk the potential ramifications that come with reporting them.
And to throw even another wrench into it, if I'm really worried about the kids' safety, am I in the wrong for working with the other neighbors, the police, and the councilwoman to try and get the family evicted? I highly doubt that they'd have any other place to go, and this just might put the kids into an even riskier and more dangerous situation, even if it would be in the best interests of my family and the overall neighborhood.
I'm just so conflicted.
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Another possibility, although perhaps a remote one: you can call a local reporter and see if they’d do anarticle. It seems to hit on a lot of human interest elements. It’s probably a dead end — it depends on the political environment— but they would keep your name out of it, and press attention usually results in action.
Hmm, interesting idea. Will look into it. The Plain Dealer has a section/blog dedicated to our particular suburb with a primary reporter/writer. Might be worth contacting her and floating this story to her. TP.
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Call CPS. At the very least, a case will be opened and the children's welfare will be monitored. As someone who grew up in the foster care system, I understand the hesitation because the system is flawed, but it may be a situation where intervention and monitoring may improve the living conditions without the children being separated from their parents.
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you should seriously think about moving.
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If the child is not in any kind of real danger (just sub optimal parenting)... personally I would not get involved
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I find it very surprising that there could be so many police calls to that house without a child welfare having been notified already. In other words, I expect they’re already on the radar, but if you have concerns, you should call (although a 2-year old demanding to go outside without clothes regardless of weather is not something that would trigger my child neglect radar, having a such a 2-year-old myself.)
If your kid is anything like mine, you may be in for at least another 2-3 years of "naked time."
Mike
Talk about...naked ambition ;) ::) ;D *groan*, lol.
On a much more serious note, however, jpotter33, yes, I would absolutely call CPS, although Roy's idea of contacting your local media outlet, etc., is excellent, as well, imo (TP, sir :)), so it's probably best to at least explore the option in regards to the latter.
In our neck of the woods ;D, sending tips/story ideas to the local television news stations have actually regularly appeared in commercials, believe it for not, and for at least the last few years, although I'm not sure as to whether or not that is a possibility for you, so yeah.
Beyond that, is there any kind of fence or whatever around their property, because in addition to my concern, along with that of everyone else, pertaining to toddlers being exposed to extreme temperatures, period, never mind sans clothes and supervision, I'm also worried about the possibility of said child suddenly wandering into traffic.
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Bake them cookies and bring them over.
When I first moved to my new house, I was dealing with the same sort of thing with my neighbors bordering our property. They were having loud parties, trashing my yard etc. I had my wife bake up some cookies and I bought them over with my (at the time) 4 year old. "Hello, we are your neighbors next door. We are new to the neighborhood. We just wanted to introduce ourselves". etc. Kill them with kindness.
Not one party since.
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Bake them cookies and bring them over.
When I first moved to my new house, I was dealing with the same sort of thing with my neighbors bordering our property. They were having loud parties, trashing my yard etc. I had my wife bake up some cookies and I bought them over with my (at the time) 4 year old. "Hello, we are your neighbors next door. We are new to the neighborhood. We just wanted to introduce ourselves". etc. Kill them with kindness.
Not one party since.
It should also be noted that the woman that greeted us when we brought over the cookies was all apologetic about the partying and everything, and I didn't even bring it up.
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As far as calling a DCF equivalent and filing a 51A equivalent, I'm not sure there is enough there without proof. DCF types are going to look for clear signs of abuse on the child.
If you haven't already, set up surveillance on your property. The Arlo2 is a good option.
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If you haven't already, set up surveillance on your property. The Arlo2 is a good option.
Really a no brainer anyway, considering what you guys are dealing with.
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Eh, the nakedness wouldn't bother me. I don't care if other people want to be naked.
Are the children running around outside unsupervised? Are the parents, or someone they have specifically designated to watch them present? If not, that's neglect. If there is, I'm not sure any neglect can be proven. A dirty home isn't necessarily neglect/endangerment.
But the domestic violence is definitely disturbing, and I'm wondering why the police aren't already involved more on that subject. Are they just not aware?
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I suggest you look at the links below and determine whether you would qualify under NY state guidance regarding reporting child abuse and neglect. I don't know where you are and picked NY because it generally has a strong regulatory environment comparatively.
Five Criteria CPS Needs to Register a Report:
You do not need to be certain that child abuse or neglect has occurred before you call the Child Abuse Hotline. However, you do need to have a reasonable suspicion. When you call, Child Abuse Hotline staff member will ask you to explain the information and circumstances that caused your suspicion.
https://www.dorightbykids.org/how-do-i-call-in-a-report/what-criteria-must-be-met/
https://www.dorightbykids.org/working-definitions-of-sexual-abuse-physical-abuse-neglect/
https://www.nccafv.org/child-abuse-reporting-numbers
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you should seriously think about moving.
^this.
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Isn't the hot temperature in July a reason FOR the child to be naked?
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I'm more concerned about the domestic violence you've witnessed than the naked children (at least in July; November is a different story).
I have a very low opinion of CPS in general, and with all the police involvement they should have already been called. At the same time, as far as children are involved, it's better to be safe than sorry. If you're worried about the kids, forget about all of the other stuff, and make a call. Whatever the hassle that comes from it, it's a lot better than the alternative: not making a call, and then having something happen that perhaps could have been prevented.
-Agreed with Roy's take. If you are worried, make the call.
-Naked kids running around isn't an issue per se, but coupled with all the back history, it would make me wonder about how well they are being cared for.
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I'd like to point out that all these posts about my naked child turning into stripper based on her enjoyment of naked time are not funny.
Now, on the other hand, if it were somebody else's kid, I'd be laughing my a*s off. :)
Seriously, they just don't tell you this stuff about before your children are born. I was the world's greatest parent before I had kids. There would be minimal sugar, no screen time and perfectly behaved kids in the company of other adults.
I was so adorably naive.
Mike
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If it were me, I'd assess the urgency of action.
If urgent: called the appropriate authorities and prepare to move asap
If not urgent: move (whenever you want), then call the authorities soon after leaving
It sounds like you're worried about the safety of your family. If that's the case, I'd get out of there and make sure that the neighbor's kids are taken care of after your family is safe.
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a naked toddler running around the yard doesn't bother me at all. In fact that is a great potty training method for a kid of that age range. Now sure outside is a bit more concerning, but as long as someone is watching the kid, I don't really think that is a big deal at all.
The criminal things though are a much bigger concern.
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Bake them cookies and bring them over.
When I first moved to my new house, I was dealing with the same sort of thing with my neighbors bordering our property. They were having loud parties, trashing my yard etc. I had my wife bake up some cookies and I bought them over with my (at the time) 4 year old. "Hello, we are your neighbors next door. We are new to the neighborhood. We just wanted to introduce ourselves". etc. Kill them with kindness.
Not one party since.
It should also be noted that the woman that greeted us when we brought over the cookies was all apologetic about the partying and everything, and I didn't even bring it up.
Tried and failed, and they just took advantage of our kindness.
We’ve been as kind and friendly with them as possible in all of our interactions. We’ve given them old clothes and toys for their kids; watched their kids before and let them play over at our house; on at least a dozen occasions helped them out at their request - jumping their car, giving them diapers, letting them use chargers and other lawn equipment, etc. And much more. And after all of the crap that they’ve put us through - hitting my car, waking us up in the middle of the night on weekdays in their drunken fights, having their fights spill into our yard and one time even into our house - they’ve never ONCE apologized to us.
I’m telling you, they’re just lowly, not good people. I try and give people the benefit of the doubt, but I also realize that some people truly just are lost abd not good people. After a year’s worth of putting up with this crap, it’s clear that they are in the latter camp.
And that makes it all the more difficult. They’re not reasonable people and don’t even realize how they’re affecting their neighbors, because they don’t know any better, meaning you simply can’t reason with them, as everyone who has tried has been threatened, which is why everyone just calls the police on a semi-daily basis anymore.
Frustrating.
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Bake them cookies and bring them over.
When I first moved to my new house, I was dealing with the same sort of thing with my neighbors bordering our property. They were having loud parties, trashing my yard etc. I had my wife bake up some cookies and I bought them over with my (at the time) 4 year old. "Hello, we are your neighbors next door. We are new to the neighborhood. We just wanted to introduce ourselves". etc. Kill them with kindness.
Not one party since.
It should also be noted that the woman that greeted us when we brought over the cookies was all apologetic about the partying and everything, and I didn't even bring it up.
Tried and failed, and they just took advantage of our kindness.
We’ve been as kind and friendly with them as possible in all of our interactions. We’ve given them old clothes and toys for their kids; watched their kids before and let them play over at our house; on at least a dozen occasions helped them out at their request - jumping their car, giving them diapers, letting them use chargers and other lawn equipment, etc. And much more. And after all of the crap that they’ve put us through - hitting my car, waking us up in the middle of the night on weekdays in their drunken fights, having their fights spill into our yard and one time even into our house - they’ve never ONCE apologized to us.
I’m telling you, they’re just lowly, not good people. I try and give people the benefit of the doubt, but I also realize that some people truly just are lost abd not good people. After a year’s worth of putting up with this crap, it’s clear that they are in the latter camp.
And that makes it all the more difficult. They’re not reasonable people and don’t even realize how they’re affecting their neighbors, because they don’t know any better, meaning you simply can’t reason with them, as everyone who has tried has been threatened, which is why everyone just calls the police on a semi-daily basis anymore.
Frustrating.
Hello Potter, May I ask the age bracket of these degenerates, And do you have an HOA? I'm guessing no.
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If 4-9 months if your time frame, then you may have to ride it out. It sounds like more of a pain to move your family twice in such a compressed time period.
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If 4-9 months if your time frame, then you may have to ride it out. It sounds like more of a pain to move your family twice in such a compressed time period.
Exactly lol It’d be no problem to move if we were here on a more permanent basis, but that’d be a lot of hassle to ask of my wife and kids given our timeframe, especially given that we’ve moved four times in the last four years due to my education, needing a bigger place with the birth of our son, and now last year the Fellowship.
Further, given our financial restrictions (living on a Fellow’s salary at this point) and lack of family or other significant social support in the area due to living across the country from our families, it just doesn’t make sense to move at this time.
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Bake them cookies and bring them over.
When I first moved to my new house, I was dealing with the same sort of thing with my neighbors bordering our property. They were having loud parties, trashing my yard etc. I had my wife bake up some cookies and I bought them over with my (at the time) 4 year old. "Hello, we are your neighbors next door. We are new to the neighborhood. We just wanted to introduce ourselves". etc. Kill them with kindness.
Not one party since.
It should also be noted that the woman that greeted us when we brought over the cookies was all apologetic about the partying and everything, and I didn't even bring it up.
Tried and failed, and they just took advantage of our kindness.
We’ve been as kind and friendly with them as possible in all of our interactions. We’ve given them old clothes and toys for their kids; watched their kids before and let them play over at our house; on at least a dozen occasions helped them out at their request - jumping their car, giving them diapers, letting them use chargers and other lawn equipment, etc. And much more. And after all of the crap that they’ve put us through - hitting my car, waking us up in the middle of the night on weekdays in their drunken fights, having their fights spill into our yard and one time even into our house - they’ve never ONCE apologized to us.
I’m telling you, they’re just lowly, not good people. I try and give people the benefit of the doubt, but I also realize that some people truly just are lost abd not good people. After a year’s worth of putting up with this crap, it’s clear that they are in the latter camp.
And that makes it all the more difficult. They’re not reasonable people and don’t even realize how they’re affecting their neighbors, because they don’t know any better, meaning you simply can’t reason with them, as everyone who has tried has been threatened, which is why everyone just calls the police on a semi-daily basis anymore.
Frustrating.
Hello Potter, May I ask the age bracket of these degenerates, And do you have an HOA? I'm guessing no.
No HOA.
The family contains two parents, probably in their fifties. The husband is a drunk and regularly gets thrown in the drunk tank, and the wife almost never comes out of the house, as she has two warrants out for her arrest.
The kids involve a 14 year old son (who isn’t really a problem at all), a 17 year old daughter (who is the mother of the 2 year old and 7 month old), her bf in his early 20s (who is the drug abuser and aggressive one), and another early 20s son (who just moved back and had the fight with his ex-gf that led to my car being hit).
I think they also have a recently estranged daughter with a very cute little six year old girl who used to always play with my daughter, but is no longer around.
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Need more for CPS to do something beyond knocking on a door. So probably not worth it