The Moore signing was a mistake; Danny should have waited (split).

[nickagneta]

Back room deal:

The Raptors want to move Solomon and need a big to replace Oneal on the bench at the 5 spot.

Sacramento wants salary cap relief and cash.

Boston wants Moore.

But due to the salaries involved and the restrictions in how much money can be included in a deal and how much money each team could afford. A strict trade wouldn't work. But if there is a pretense of trades for second round picks and cash and Sacramento promises to but out Moore to some predetermined number so that the Celtics could sign him and Moore's agent is down with the whole thing with a little wink and nod, then the whole deal goes down the way it does and Danny, due to the wink and nod, has to sign Moore. If he doesn't, Moore's agent comes forward with the tampering and the Celtics pay big time ala Minnesota/Joe Smith.

The way it worked everyone save a little money and got the players they wanted. I mean think about it, who the hell puts protection on second round draft picks to the point of making them impossible to get? No one, that's who. It was all pretense to make it appear legal.

but this is based on us wanting Moore, not having to take him in order to get a deal done....

I though you were arguing that we had to take him for some reason....

That's true but it is also a fact that if we don't sign Moore after it went down this way that his agent could have dropped dime on the whole deal and put the Celtics in hot water with the league for tampering.

Therefore, we HAD to sign Moore once we did the deals for Cassell and POB. We cleared space for signings, we saved a bit of cash, and didn't need to eat any money by simply cutting people. Once that was done, part of the whole deal was having to sign Moore.

If the alternative, we have to cut POOB and Cassell and eat their salaries and then sign Marbury and hope and pray that Smith is let go and then signs with us or the way it went down perhaps Danny figured it was better to save the money, make friendly with Toronto and Sactown, and get the guarantee in Moore than perhaps wasting all the money in cutting Sam and POB and then onl;y ending up with Marbury.

[winsomme]

Back room deal:

The Raptors want to move Solomon and need a big to replace Oneal on the bench at the 5 spot.

Sacramento wants salary cap relief and cash.

Boston wants Moore.

But due to the salaries involved and the restrictions in how much money can be included in a deal and how much money each team could afford. A strict trade wouldn't work. But if there is a pretense of trades for second round picks and cash and Sacramento promises to but out Moore to some predetermined number so that the Celtics could sign him and Moore's agent is down with the whole thing with a little wink and nod, then the whole deal goes down the way it does and Danny, due to the wink and nod, has to sign Moore. If he doesn't, Moore's agent comes forward with the tampering and the Celtics pay big time ala Minnesota/Joe Smith.

The way it worked everyone save a little money and got the players they wanted. I mean think about it, who the hell puts protection on second round draft picks to the point of making them impossible to get? No one, that's who. It was all pretense to make it appear legal.

but this is based on us wanting Moore, not having to take him in order to get a deal done....

I though you were arguing that we had to take him for some reason....

That's true but it is also a fact that if we don't sign Moore after it went down this way that his agent could have dropped dime on the whole deal and put the Celtics in hot water with the league for tampering.

Therefore, we HAD to sign Moore once we did the deals for Cassell and POB. We cleared space for signings, we saved a bit of cash, and didn't need to eat any money by simply cutting people. Once that was done, part of the whole deal was having to sign Moore.

If the alternative, we have to cut POOB and Cassell and eat their salaries and then sign Marbury and hope and pray that Smith is let go and then signs with us or the way it went down perhaps Danny figured it was better to save the money, make friendly with Toronto and Sactown, and get the guarantee in Moore than perhaps wasting all the money in cutting Sam and POB and then onl;y ending up with Marbury.

nick, Moore WANTED to be released. if the thing went down the way you are saying, Moore would be thanking us whether we signed him or not.

if you're right, we got Moore released when his value was the highest....before guys like Smith and Gooden got bought out...

[RAcker]

With all this lamenting, you would think Joe Smith was better than Michael Jordan.  Please, settle down and enjoy the repeat storm that is coming.

[nickagneta]

Back room deal:

The Raptors want to move Solomon and need a big to replace Oneal on the bench at the 5 spot.

Sacramento wants salary cap relief and cash.

Boston wants Moore.

But due to the salaries involved and the restrictions in how much money can be included in a deal and how much money each team could afford. A strict trade wouldn't work. But if there is a pretense of trades for second round picks and cash and Sacramento promises to but out Moore to some predetermined number so that the Celtics could sign him and Moore's agent is down with the whole thing with a little wink and nod, then the whole deal goes down the way it does and Danny, due to the wink and nod, has to sign Moore. If he doesn't, Moore's agent comes forward with the tampering and the Celtics pay big time ala Minnesota/Joe Smith.

The way it worked everyone save a little money and got the players they wanted. I mean think about it, who the hell puts protection on second round draft picks to the point of making them impossible to get? No one, that's who. It was all pretense to make it appear legal.

but this is based on us wanting Moore, not having to take him in order to get a deal done....

I though you were arguing that we had to take him for some reason....

That's true but it is also a fact that if we don't sign Moore after it went down this way that his agent could have dropped dime on the whole deal and put the Celtics in hot water with the league for tampering.

Therefore, we HAD to sign Moore once we did the deals for Cassell and POB. We cleared space for signings, we saved a bit of cash, and didn't need to eat any money by simply cutting people. Once that was done, part of the whole deal was having to sign Moore.

If the alternative, we have to cut POOB and Cassell and eat their salaries and then sign Marbury and hope and pray that Smith is let go and then signs with us or the way it went down perhaps Danny figured it was better to save the money, make friendly with Toronto and Sactown, and get the guarantee in Moore than perhaps wasting all the money in cutting Sam and POB and then onl;y ending up with Marbury.

nick, Moore WANTED to be released. if the thing went down the way you are saying, Moore would be thanking us whether we signed him or not.

if you're right, we got Moore released when his value was the highest....before guys like Smith and Gooden got bought out...

Who cares if Moore wanted to be released. It doesn't matter. If the Kings didn't want to outlay the cash right now then it wasn't going to happen. Antoine wanted to be bought out by the TWolves. It didn't happen. Just because he wanted to be bought out doesn't mean it was going to happen.

Also, by doing it the way they did, the Kings got cash to help offset the cost of the buyout. Perhaps without that cash, Moore nevers gets bought out.

Anyway, it's all Oliver Stone type stuff and nothing can be proved. It's just a theory of mine.

[winsomme]

Back room deal:

The Raptors want to move Solomon and need a big to replace Oneal on the bench at the 5 spot.

Sacramento wants salary cap relief and cash.

Boston wants Moore.

But due to the salaries involved and the restrictions in how much money can be included in a deal and how much money each team could afford. A strict trade wouldn't work. But if there is a pretense of trades for second round picks and cash and Sacramento promises to but out Moore to some predetermined number so that the Celtics could sign him and Moore's agent is down with the whole thing with a little wink and nod, then the whole deal goes down the way it does and Danny, due to the wink and nod, has to sign Moore. If he doesn't, Moore's agent comes forward with the tampering and the Celtics pay big time ala Minnesota/Joe Smith.

The way it worked everyone save a little money and got the players they wanted. I mean think about it, who the hell puts protection on second round draft picks to the point of making them impossible to get? No one, that's who. It was all pretense to make it appear legal.

but this is based on us wanting Moore, not having to take him in order to get a deal done....

I though you were arguing that we had to take him for some reason....

That's true but it is also a fact that if we don't sign Moore after it went down this way that his agent could have dropped dime on the whole deal and put the Celtics in hot water with the league for tampering.

Therefore, we HAD to sign Moore once we did the deals for Cassell and POB. We cleared space for signings, we saved a bit of cash, and didn't need to eat any money by simply cutting people. Once that was done, part of the whole deal was having to sign Moore.

If the alternative, we have to cut POOB and Cassell and eat their salaries and then sign Marbury and hope and pray that Smith is let go and then signs with us or the way it went down perhaps Danny figured it was better to save the money, make friendly with Toronto and Sactown, and get the guarantee in Moore than perhaps wasting all the money in cutting Sam and POB and then onl;y ending up with Marbury.

nick, Moore WANTED to be released. if the thing went down the way you are saying, Moore would be thanking us whether we signed him or not.

if you're right, we got Moore released when his value was the highest....before guys like Smith and Gooden got bought out...

Who cares if Moore wanted to be released. It doesn't matter. If the Kings didn't want to outlay the cash right now then it wasn't going to happen. Antoine wanted to be bought out by the TWolves. It didn't happen. Just because he wanted to be bought out doesn't mean it was going to happen.

Also, by doing it the way they did, the Kings got cash to help offset the cost of the buyout. Perhaps without that cash, Moore nevers gets bought out.

Anyway, it's all Oliver Stone type stuff and nothing can be proved. It's just a theory of mine.

nick, SAC saved money on the deal. Moore got released which is what he wanted...

If we didn't sign Moore, nobody would have a beef with us....

[Goldstar88]

Both Gooden and Smith are miles better than Mikki Moore.  Danny jumped the gun.

I'm guessing that Smith ends up in Cleveland and that Gooden goes to San Antonio. 

I agree that Gooden and Smith are the better players, but do you really think it would have been wise to wait until the very last minute to see what might be there. If Danny had waited on signing Moore, and neither Smith or Gooden were  bought out everyone would have been irate.
   It seemed throughout the year Joe Smith was not worried about being bought out. If he was really interested in joining with the Celtics, you would have thought he would have pushed a little harder for an early buyout. The possiblitly of Gooden being bought out was almost more questionable then it was for Smith.
   Im hoping the Celtics make a push for Gooden anyway. Were only paying Moore 375k, Tony Allen is out until the playoffs, Leon Powe and Glen Davis should only be in the game together if the other team is playing small ball,Gabe pruitt will most likely lose his spot to Marbury, Giddens does not play, Walker rarely plays, and who knows about Scal. To me thats alot of question marks taking up roster spots.

[BballTim]

With all this lamenting, you would think Joe Smith was better than Michael Jordan.  Please, settle down and enjoy the repeat storm that is coming.

  The real shame in all this is that New Orleans didn't go after Smith. Posey and Smith on the same team would pretty much guarantee a title.

[elcotte]

Too many after the fact comments here.
I think this team would be worse if the didn't get any of Moore, Smith or Boozer.

[MattG12]

Posey and Smith = Bird and McHale part 2

[elcotte]

....Gooden not Boozer...not sure where that came from....

[greenwise]

I like the Moore signing. In fact he is more a center than a power forward (unlike Smith). We needed size and we got it. Moore can play and will be better fit than Smith once Garnett is back.

[Roy Hobbs]

I like the Moore signing. In fact he is more a center than a power forward (unlike Smith). We needed size and we got it. Moore can play and will be better fit than Smith once Garnett is back.

Nobody seems to be able to answer this:  why does size matter if it doesn't translate to defense, rebounds, blocked shots, or offensive mismatches?

[Jon]

Why exactly can't we cut Moore or Davis/Powe right now if Smith wants to come here so badly?  Or why not Pruitt, since he's now a PR problem, not under contract next season, and essentially useless with Marbury here? 

[twistedrico]

Cut Davis or Powe to sign Smith? Are you out of your mind?

[Jon]

Cut Davis or Powe to sign Smith? Are you out of your mind?

No.  They are both free agents next year and they are both (realistically) about 6-6 or 6-7.  The C's are not going to re-sign both of them.  If that's the case, why not cut the one you aren't going to re-sign now and pick up a legit big man with playoff experience in Joe Smith? 

Ideally, I'd rather cut Gabe Pruitt, who isn't under contract next year (team option) and isn't going to play this season anyway with Marbury here.  And if the team really wants him back next year when Marbury likely walks, I highly doubt there are going to be many teams competing with us for his services.  And even if he does sign with someone else, Pruitt is hardly irreplaceable.