Vote: All NBA Teams for 2018-2019 (1st Team All-NBA)

[Big333223]

Jokic
PG13
Giannis
Harden
Curry

That is mine as well.  While I think Embiid is better than Jokic, Jokic has played 10 more games and has a more complete offensive game so I went with him.  I really can't see how the forwards and guards aren't Giannis, George, Harden, and Curry.  I mean it isn't close at all in my mind.  I'm amazed Leonard has so many votes given how many games he has missed and the simple fact that he has worse stats than both Giannis and George (and they are basically worse across every major category and include efficiencies).

That's mine as well. Kawhi gets the 2nd team because of missed games.

2nd team:

Kyrie
Lillard
Kawhi
Durant
Embiid

3rd team:

Westbrook
Kemba
Lebron
Balke (although I'd love to give this is Aldridge)

That last center spot is kind of crazy. Does AD qualify for the crap he pulled this season? Should it be KAT? Rudy Gobert? I don't know what to do there.

I'd swap Westbrook and Irving, though they are close enough I have no real issue with Irving ahead of Westbrook.  I think Towns should be the 3rd Team center, though could see arguments for Gobert.  Davis has just missed way too many games and basically blew up his team with his trade demand.

I hear you, with Davis.

With Westbrook, I just can't get over the insane inefficiency. His eFG% is only 46% and he takes over 20 shots a game while also tuning it over 4.6 times a game. That knocks him below Kyrie, for me.

He also grabs over 11 boards and dishes out 10.5 assists and generally plays better defense than Irving, which is why I put him above.  Again though close.

Which is why I have him on the 3rd team and not off, entirely.

[smokeablount]

Other than the debate raging here about the 2nd F spot on the 1st Team, and IMO a legit 3 way debate about the 2nd G spot on the 1st Team (tho the poll has spoken on that), I am curious what people think about the 6th G & 6th F on the 3rd Team. 

I will probably bring it up again in the 3rd Team poll, but I had Kemba and Blake.  Didn't feel 100% about either though.  Maybe Simmons or Beal at G?  Who ya got?

[GreenEnvy]

Harden
Curry
Giannis
PG13
Jokic

[PhoSita]

Curry, Harden, George, Giannis, Jokic


I don't think there's much debate about that list.

George's two-way impact puts him ahead of any of the other wings that might have an argument.

[tazzmaniac]

Curry, Harden, George, Giannis, Jokic


I don't think there's much debate about that list.

George's two-way impact puts him ahead of any of the other wings that might have an argument.

Don't see the argument for Jokic over Embiid.  Don't think Jokic is better offensively but even if he is it is only slightly whereas Embiid is much better defensively. 

[PhoSita]

Curry, Harden, George, Giannis, Jokic


I don't think there's much debate about that list.

George's two-way impact puts him ahead of any of the other wings that might have an argument.

Don't see the argument for Jokic over Embiid.  Don't think Jokic is better offensively but even if he is it is only slightly whereas Embiid is much better defensively.

The nuggets are better than the sixers despite having less talent.

Jokic has missed fewer games.

I think Embiids offense is a bit overrated and Jokic is seen by many as a bad defender when actually hes fine.


I can see an argument for Embiid but for me it's Jokic without question. Greatness on offense is more important than greatness on defense.

[ozgod]

I voted:

1st Team
Giannis
Durant
Jokic
Harden
Steph

2nd Team
Kawhi
George
Embiid
Kyrie
Dame

[gouki88]

Curry, Harden, George, Giannis, Jokic


I don't think there's much debate about that list.

George's two-way impact puts him ahead of any of the other wings that might have an argument.

Don't see the argument for Jokic over Embiid.  Don't think Jokic is better offensively but even if he is it is only slightly whereas Embiid is much better defensively.

The nuggets are better than the sixers despite having less talent.

Jokic has missed fewer games.

I think Embiids offense is a bit overrated and Jokic is seen by many as a bad defender when actually hes fine.


I can see an argument for Embiid but for me it's Jokic without question. Greatness on offense is more important than greatness on defense.

Plus, Jokic is far less annoying

[celticsclay]

Curry, Harden, George, Giannis, Jokic


I don't think there's much debate about that list.

George's two-way impact puts him ahead of any of the other wings that might have an argument.

Don't see the argument for Jokic over Embiid.  Don't think Jokic is better offensively but even if he is it is only slightly whereas Embiid is much better defensively.

The nuggets are better than the sixers despite having less talent.

Jokic has missed fewer games.

I think Embiids offense is a bit overrated and Jokic is seen by many as a bad defender when actually hes fine.


I can see an argument for Embiid but for me it's Jokic without question. Greatness on offense is more important than greatness on defense.

I do think Embid has been a little bit better when he has played, but I do agree based off the games played point. Embiid is sitting out again tonight. He is definitely going to sit out a few more before season ends too. You have to give Jokic more credit for playing in like 15% more games at the end of the season. Denver is number 1 or 2 seed because he is there every game.

[nickagneta]

Curry, Harden, George, Giannis, Jokic


I don't think there's much debate about that list.

George's two-way impact puts him ahead of any of the other wings that might have an argument.

Don't see the argument for Jokic over Embiid.  Don't think Jokic is better offensively but even if he is it is only slightly whereas Embiid is much better defensively.

The nuggets are better than the sixers despite having less talent.

Jokic has missed fewer games.

I think Embiids offense is a bit overrated and Jokic is seen by many as a bad defender when actually hes fine.


I can see an argument for Embiid but for me it's Jokic without question. Greatness on offense is more important than greatness on defense.

Embiid scores 7 points more and grabs 3 more rebounds per game than Jokic. Their shooting percentages are very close. I am not sure that dishing out 4 more assists per game even offsets the 7 points and 3 rebounds extra that Embiid gets. If Jokic has achieved greatness offensively, then clearly Embijd has as well. But Embiid has achieved greatness on defense, Jokic hasn't and may never.

As far as I am concerned the only thing that makes Jokic a better player is he is available and healthy almost all the time, but Embiid will clearly have played enough games to still  warrant 1st team votes. I don't think it's as clear as many here seem to make it.

[gouki88]

Curry, Harden, George, Giannis, Jokic


I don't think there's much debate about that list.

George's two-way impact puts him ahead of any of the other wings that might have an argument.

Don't see the argument for Jokic over Embiid.  Don't think Jokic is better offensively but even if he is it is only slightly whereas Embiid is much better defensively.

The nuggets are better than the sixers despite having less talent.

Jokic has missed fewer games.

I think Embiids offense is a bit overrated and Jokic is seen by many as a bad defender when actually hes fine.


I can see an argument for Embiid but for me it's Jokic without question. Greatness on offense is more important than greatness on defense.

Embiid scores 7 points more and grabs 3 more rebounds per game than Jokic. Their shooting percentages are very close. I am not sure that dishing out 4 more assists per game even offsets the 7 points and 3 rebounds extra that Embiid gets. If Jokic has achieved greatness offensively, then clearly Embijd has as well. But Embiid has achieved greatness on defense, Jokic hasn't and may never.

As far as I am concerned the only thing that makes Jokic a better player is he is available and healthy almost all the time, but Embiid will clearly have played enough games to still  warrant 1st team votes. I don't think it's as clear as many here seem to make it.

I think that it isn't quite as simple as the numbers. Embiid seems to be easier to shut down on offence, at least for us. Once you make it difficult for him inside, as Al and Baynes do so well (watch Embiid drop 35 on us) he seems to get frustrated and end up chucking from the outside. While he's mostly an unstoppable physical force, he seems to be able to get inside his own head when he's struggling.

When you make it difficult for Jokic to score he is able to find other ways to hurt you, as he's without question the best passing big in the league. Additionally, Jokic is a noticeable bit more efficient, while fouling and turning it over less. I like how in control Jokic is in seemingly all aspects on offence.

[nickagneta]

Curry, Harden, George, Giannis, Jokic


I don't think there's much debate about that list.

George's two-way impact puts him ahead of any of the other wings that might have an argument.

Don't see the argument for Jokic over Embiid.  Don't think Jokic is better offensively but even if he is it is only slightly whereas Embiid is much better defensively.

The nuggets are better than the sixers despite having less talent.

Jokic has missed fewer games.

I think Embiids offense is a bit overrated and Jokic is seen by many as a bad defender when actually hes fine.


I can see an argument for Embiid but for me it's Jokic without question. Greatness on offense is more important than greatness on defense.

Embiid scores 7 points more and grabs 3 more rebounds per game than Jokic. Their shooting percentages are very close. I am not sure that dishing out 4 more assists per game even offsets the 7 points and 3 rebounds extra that Embiid gets. If Jokic has achieved greatness offensively, then clearly Embijd has as well. But Embiid has achieved greatness on defense, Jokic hasn't and may never.



As far as I am concerned the only thing that makes Jokic a better player is he is available and healthy almost all the time, but Embiid will clearly have played enough games to still  warrant 1st team votes. I don't think it's as clear as many here seem to make it.

I think that it isn't quite as simple as the numbers. Embiid seems to be easier to shut down on offence, at least for us. Once you make it difficult for him inside, as Al and Baynes do so well (watch Embiid drop 35 on us) he seems to get frustrated and end up chucking from the outside. While he's mostly an unstoppable physical force, he seems to be able to get inside his own head when he's struggling.

When you make it difficult for Jokic to score he is able to find other ways to hurt you, as he's without question the best passing big in the league. Additionally, Jokic is a noticeable bit more efficient, while fouling and turning it over less. I like how in control Jokic is in seemingly all aspects on offence.

Not sure the bolded is true. There are a few stats that say things might be a lot closer than you think.

Jokic TS% is 59.5%. Embiid's 59.0%. That's almost exact scoring efficiency.

Jokic TO% is 15.8. Embiid's 13.4%.

Jokic Usage % is 27.2. Embiid's 33.2.

So Embiid handles the ball more but turns it over less.

[PhoSita]

I will happily admit that re: Jokic vs Embiid I'm biased by the fact that I find Jokic super, super fun to watch.  He does everything I could want to see a big man do on the floor.  He's probably my favorite non-Celtics player in the league.

Embiid by contrast is really impressive and very productive, but I don't particularly relish watching him.


I think you can credibly argue for either.  They're both amazing in different ways.

For me, the fact that Jokic's team's has a better record despite less talent, combined with Jokic being able to play more games, is enough to justify taking him over Embiid.

But they're both great and Embiid is an easy choice for the All-NBA 2nd Team.

[pearljammer10]

1st team:

Curry (even though I really wanted to vote Kyrie)
Harden
PG
Giannis
Jokic

2nd team:
Kyrie
Dame
Kawhi
Durant
Embiid

3rd team:
Westbrook
Kemba
Harris
Lebron
Vucevic

[gouki88]

I will happily admit that re: Jokic vs Embiid I'm biased by the fact that I find Jokic super, super fun to watch.  He does everything I could want to see a big man do on the floor.  He's probably my favorite non-Celtics player in the league.

Embiid by contrast is really impressive and very productive, but I don't particularly relish watching him.


I think you can credibly argue for either.  They're both amazing in different ways.

For me, the fact that Jokic's team's has a better record despite less talent, combined with Jokic being able to play more games, is enough to justify taking him over Embiid.

But they're both great and Embiid is an easy choice for the All-NBA 2nd Team.

Agree!

Also TP Nick, I saw EFG% and thought it was TS%. My bad