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Should we waive Rozier?
« on: May 16, 2019, 02:32:50 PM »

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Just a thought:
If ownership and players are p---ed at Terry:
Should we waive Rozier with the expectation that Dallas will claim him ?
Why for Boston :
TR worn his welcome here
To get under the luxury tax
To clear cap space if we somehow need it in July
Why for Dallas :
To get to the salary floor without paying a dollar to TR
To have Roziers matching rights next year
“To test the nerves of coach Carlisle lol”
Basically the idea is we avoid paying the tax and Dallas avoid paying the $$ needed to hit the salary floor. Also most Celtics fans hate Rozier so it can be sold to them easy


Re: Should we waive Rozier?
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2019, 02:38:27 PM »

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Just a thought:
If ownership and players are p---ed at Terry:
Should we waive Rozier with the expectation that Dallas will claim him ?
Why for Boston :
TR worn his welcome here
To get under the luxury tax
To clear cap space if we somehow need it in July
Why for Dallas :
To get to the salary floor without paying a dollar to TR
To have Roziers matching rights next year
“To test the nerves of coach Carlisle lol”
Basically the idea is we avoid paying the tax and Dallas avoid paying the $$ needed to hit the salary floor. Also most Celtics fans hate Rozier so it can be sold to them easy

Rozier has paid his dues

Give him a break

He has improved every season under Brad

Last season was an outlier

Re: Should we waive Rozier?
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2019, 02:39:13 PM »

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This is not how the CBA works.

We either tender a qualifying offer to Terry, making him a restricted FA and giving us the ability to match any offer sheets for him. He could also opt to play on the QO for a year if he doesn't get an offer sheet to his liking, but he would have the right to veto any trades for that year because he'd be waiving his bird rights.

We could decline to extend a qualifying offer and Terry would become an unrestricted FA and he could sign anywhere he chooses. We could decline to extend a qualifying offer and renounce rights to him, removing his cap hold completely but we'd still be over the cap.
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Re: Should we waive Rozier?
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2019, 02:43:42 PM »

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This is not how the CBA works.

We either tender a qualifying offer to Terry, making him a restricted FA and giving us the ability to match any offer sheets for him. He could also opt to play on the QO for a year if he doesn't get an offer sheet to his liking, but he would have the right to veto any trades for that year because he'd be waiving his bird rights.

We could decline to extend a qualifying offer and Terry would become an unrestricted FA and he could sign anywhere he chooses. We could decline to extend a qualifying offer and renounce rights to him, removing his cap hold completely but we'd still be over the cap.
I think if he is waived before the season end ( June sometime) he can be claimed and his salary is off the Celtics books. Didn’t Miami do something like that in April to avoid the tax?

Re: Should we waive Rozier?
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2019, 02:45:51 PM »

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Just a thought:
If ownership and players are p---ed at Terry:
Should we waive Rozier with the expectation that Dallas will claim him ?
Why for Boston :
TR worn his welcome here
To get under the luxury tax
To clear cap space if we somehow need it in July
Why for Dallas :
To get to the salary floor without paying a dollar to TR
To have Roziers matching rights next year
“To test the nerves of coach Carlisle lol”
Basically the idea is we avoid paying the tax and Dallas avoid paying the $$ needed to hit the salary floor. Also most Celtics fans hate Rozier so it can be sold to them easy

Rozier has paid his dues

Give him a break

He has improved every season under Brad

Last season was an outlier

LET'S GO CELTICS!

Re: Should we waive Rozier?
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2019, 02:49:44 PM »

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I would.

I would just renounce his rights and just let him walk.

At this point, I don't think we'll get much for him anyway because other teams know his relationship with the team right now is very rocky.

I just hope Ainge doesn't decide to bring him back as our starting PG next year if Kyrie leaves. This is what I would look like after watching a full season of Rozier as the starting point.


Re: Should we waive Rozier?
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2019, 04:14:58 PM »

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How do you waive a (restricted) free agent?

Re: Should we waive Rozier?
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2019, 04:16:52 PM »

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Just a thought:
If ownership and players are p---ed at Terry:
Should we waive Rozier with the expectation that Dallas will claim him ?
Why for Boston :
TR worn his welcome here
To get under the luxury tax
To clear cap space if we somehow need it in July
Why for Dallas :
To get to the salary floor without paying a dollar to TR
To have Roziers matching rights next year
“To test the nerves of coach Carlisle lol”
Basically the idea is we avoid paying the tax and Dallas avoid paying the $$ needed to hit the salary floor. Also most Celtics fans hate Rozier so it can be sold to them easy

Rozier has paid his dues

Give him a break

He has improved every season under Brad

Last season was an outlier



TP  ;D

Re: Should we waive Rozier?
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2019, 04:36:28 PM »

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How do you waive a (restricted) free agent?
He isn’t a restricted free agent yet. Not until July . And even if he was
You can renounce his bird rights which would mean you give up on him and cease contractual obligations

Re: Should we waive Rozier?
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2019, 02:29:29 PM »

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Just a thought:
If ownership and players are p---ed at Terry:
Should we waive Rozier with the expectation that Dallas will claim him ?
Why for Boston :
TR worn his welcome here
To get under the luxury tax
To clear cap space if we somehow need it in July
Why for Dallas :
To get to the salary floor without paying a dollar to TR
To have Roziers matching rights next year
“To test the nerves of coach Carlisle lol”
Basically the idea is we avoid paying the tax and Dallas avoid paying the $$ needed to hit the salary floor. Also most Celtics fans hate Rozier so it can be sold to them easy

I don't agree with this at all.  Even without Rozier we'd have no cap space, so that doesn't work. 
 
If you lose Kyrie then you'd have no PG yet also still have Hayward and Horford under large contracts (Horford has a player option so he has control) with Brown and Tatum entering their prime.  Not really a good situation. 

I think you keep Rozier and if you don't sign Kyrie he's your starting PG.  If you bring back Kyrie you do a S&T with Rozier and then get an asset back (you don't give away assets without getting anything back in this league or you end up being mediocre at best).     

Re: Should we waive Rozier?
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2019, 02:35:01 PM »

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You hang onto our first refusal rights, because it has value. You don't throw that away.

Rozier averaged 17 ppg in playoffs a year ago. Plenty of teams still have interest in him. Including us if Kyrie walks.

Re: Should we waive Rozier?
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2019, 02:42:23 PM »

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I (like many) want nothing to do with the version of Rozier that we saw this past season.  However, just from a business standpoint, if Kyrie does walk and the FA market for Rozier is (as I expect) ice cold, a one year agreement to bring him back isn't the worst thing in the world. 

I'd still bring someone in to compete with him for the starting job, but at least he's a known commodity and the odds are that he's more likely to revert to his previous form vs last year's form.

Re: Should we waive Rozier?
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2019, 03:05:25 PM »

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Just a thought:
If ownership and players are p---ed at Terry:
Should we waive Rozier with the expectation that Dallas will claim him ?
Why for Boston :
TR worn his welcome here
To get under the luxury tax
To clear cap space if we somehow need it in July
Why for Dallas :
To get to the salary floor without paying a dollar to TR
To have Roziers matching rights next year
“To test the nerves of coach Carlisle lol”
Basically the idea is we avoid paying the tax and Dallas avoid paying the $$ needed to hit the salary floor. Also most Celtics fans hate Rozier so it can be sold to them easy

Waiving a player does not remove their salary from your books. His contract also expired once the season ended, so all you would be doing is getting rid of his Bird rights. And even if we could drop his salary, we would still be like $5 million over the tax line

Similarly, Dallas cannot sign him as their season is over. If they want him, they will have to wait until July 1st (just like everyone else)

Even a basic understanding of the CBA should clue you in that this isn't possible. Why would the league make it so you could skirt the tax by waiving FAs after your season is over? Why would players agree to a CBA where you can stay way below the salary floor and sign players after the year is done (so you pay them nothing) to get above it? (Yes, I know that you can pay less than the salary floor by trading for a player at the trade deadline to get below it, but this would be way worse than that)
I'm bitter.

Re: Should we waive Rozier?
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2019, 03:10:36 PM »

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Why do people keep talking like Rozier had a bad season this year? On a per-36 basis, everything lines up close to where he was last year, and has been his entire year (as far as efficiency goes). The playoffs last year were the outlier (with him playing out of his mind), he's been a consistently mediocre player outside of that
I'm bitter.